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(The New York Times)   Doctor in Georgia prescribes Adderall to kids suffering from: A) Attention Deficit Disorder B) Attention Deficit Hyperactivity Disorder C) Being Poor   (nytimes.com) divider line 125
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2012-10-09 11:03:38 AM

Shadow Blasko: Eatin' Queer Fetuses for Jesus: Why the fark am I paying $35 a month for generic non-time-release? Even Ritalin is on the $4 list at Wally World and the grocery stores (well, not actually on the list, because it is controlled, but it's $4 nonetheless).

wat?

Christ.... I am paying $200-$250 a month for my dexedrine... generic.


Check your local Costco pharmacy if you have one. No membership required. If you do have a membership, they have a discount program for people without insurance.
 
2012-10-09 11:06:13 AM

Dimensio: Eatin' Queer Fetuses for Jesus: Shadow Blasko: cman: I really wished that amphetamine was OTC

I just wish it costs what it did 4 years ago so I could actually afford my meds.

THIS.

Why the fark am I paying $35 a month for generic non-time-release? Even Ritalin is on the $4 list at Wally World and the grocery stores (well, not actually on the list, because it is controlled, but it's $4 nonetheless).

At $4, I should consider taking Ritalin again.


I should mention that I am in Colorado, so the $4 Ritalin (King Soopers/Walmart) and $35 generic Adderall (30 mg/day) might be unique to my state and other states are YMMV.
 
2012-10-09 11:07:37 AM

CapeFearCadaver: "We've decided as a society that it's too expensive to modify the kid's environment. So we have to modify the kid."

We have?


They have.
 
2012-10-09 11:12:22 AM

The Southern Logic Company: Eatin' Queer Fetuses for Jesus: Shadow Blasko: cman: I really wished that amphetamine was OTC

I just wish it costs what it did 4 years ago so I could actually afford my meds.

THIS.

Why the fark am I paying $35 a month for generic non-time-release? Even Ritalin is on the $4 list at Wally World and the grocery stores (well, not actually on the list, because it is controlled, but it's $4 nonetheless).

I take Vyvanse daily (or I would....) and I pay 50 bucks for a month's worth. I just love paying out the ass for something I need only to have the doctor and pharmacist treat me like a drug seeker. Of course, people getting Anti-Depressants and Anti-Anxiety drugs don't get this kind of treatment because those are accepted by society. Can't function or stay on task? You must be lazy/stupid/poorly raised. Or out to get drugs.


Isn't that awesome when your doctor takes another gig and moves out of state, and then you have to spend almost a year convincing some new schlub that you aren't a junkie, going to their office for a $100 visit every month to get a refill? Land of the free.
 
2012-10-09 11:15:58 AM

Shadow Blasko: cman: I really wished that amphetamine was OTC

I just wish it costs what it did 4 years ago so I could actually afford my meds.


The real issue is the DEA quota system
http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/health/2012/01/03/adderall-drug-shortage- w ill-continue-in-2012-government-officials-say/

Basically, the branded company gobbles up quota for not only the branded product but their own generic. Then, they make as much branded as possible, so there is very little quota left for generics. Then you end up paying high prices for the brand because the generic firms don't have enough quota to buy/use the API.
 
2012-10-09 11:17:17 AM
gvshp.org
Remember kids: Just Say No!
 
2012-10-09 11:18:35 AM

ArkAngel: While I can appreciate the doctor's attempt to help the children as best he can, raising an entire generation on psychotropic drugs is not the way to do it.


All perscription drugs have side effects, using pyschotropics on adolescents is an almost gauranteed way to fark up thier brain chemistry during puberty and set them up for serious long-term chemical imbalances and brain disorders. This doctor is playing god and needs to have his license yanked, yesterday.

I say this as someone who has been informally diagnosed as ADHD all his life (and has two nephews with formal diagnoses) I had bad grades in elementary and HS, and would have ended up in special ed but for the fact that they always give an IQ test to justify that, and mine, in all modesty, usually tested off the scale (I have always had a knack for standardized tests, my PSATs SATs and LSATs were all 99th percentile).

If you have a brain like mine you need to learn how to make it work for you even if the academic world is basically set up in a way deliberately antagonistic to how you learn. Training yourself in coping mechanisms beats the fark out of becoming dependent on drugs. Especially because, while no one talks about ti, having an ADHD brain gives you huge congnitive ADVANTAGES when you learn to use it properly. Your pattern recognition skills, your ability to synthethize information from disparate sources quickly and your ability to "Think on your feet", to say nothing of your creativity, are all much higher than in "normal" kids.
 
2012-10-09 11:19:00 AM
Wow. I cannot use cannabis to control my arthritis, bad knees, bad ankles, very bad back, manic depression, AAD (adjustment anxiety disorder, and it is bad... very bad), and general disgust with life. It is illegal. The reason it is illegal is listed above, since cannabis does a decent job of helping me control ALL of the above problems. ONE substance. (A substance that pretty much anyone can cultivate and grow for themselves without the middle man, ie: BigPharma). We cannot have that! I am supposed to make several CEOs of drug companies richer while barely being able to survive just so I can go out and be a 'productive member of society'. Which translates into 'go out and make some money so you can give it to us'. Yet, these kids get drugs just for not doing well in class???????

And some wonder why America is seen as completely nuts by the rest of the civilized world
 
2012-10-09 11:21:21 AM

Eatin' Queer Fetuses for Jesus: The Southern Logic Company: Eatin' Queer Fetuses for Jesus: Shadow Blasko: cman: I really wished that amphetamine was OTC

I just wish it costs what it did 4 years ago so I could actually afford my meds.

THIS.

Why the fark am I paying $35 a month for generic non-time-release? Even Ritalin is on the $4 list at Wally World and the grocery stores (well, not actually on the list, because it is controlled, but it's $4 nonetheless).

I take Vyvanse daily (or I would....) and I pay 50 bucks for a month's worth. I just love paying out the ass for something I need only to have the doctor and pharmacist treat me like a drug seeker. Of course, people getting Anti-Depressants and Anti-Anxiety drugs don't get this kind of treatment because those are accepted by society. Can't function or stay on task? You must be lazy/stupid/poorly raised. Or out to get drugs.

Isn't that awesome when your doctor takes another gig and moves out of state, and then you have to spend almost a year convincing some new schlub that you aren't a junkie, going to their office for a $100 visit every month to get a refill? Land of the free.


Even better was, after I returned from China, my doctor was in another state and I could only bring 2 months worth of Vyvanse with me to China. Chinese doctors do not believe in nor do they prescribe anything for ADHD so I had to do without. Whatever, cost of living overseas.

I had a doctor here in Georgia flat out refuse to give me the medication because "You seem to have functioned fine without it for the past 8 months." Uh, no farkstick. I got everything done at the last freaking minute, my girlfriend had to literally FORCE me to go to teach some days and my apartment was an absolute dump of papers and beer bottles. I was still very much suffering from it even after exercising and meditating everyday. Its a miracle I didn't fark up enough to get fired. I have never had this much scrutiny over medication. Apparently I am "suspicious" because I was diagnosed at 22 and go stretches without my medication. It is as you mentioned though, 50 bucks for the pills and 20-40 for the doctors visit (because the doctor HAS to see you every month to make sure you're not a tweaked out addict amirite?).

Don't even get me started on asking for an increase of dosage.
 
2012-10-09 11:21:28 AM
"People who are getting A's and B's, I won't give it to them," he said.

How long until he starts prescribing them barbiturates so they can't unfairly use their advantage over his favored patients?
 
2012-10-09 11:23:40 AM
Does Adderall cure poor?
 
2012-10-09 11:28:10 AM

Chucklz: The real issue is the DEA quota system
http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/health/2012/01/03/adderall-drug-shortage- w ill-continue-in-2012-government-officials-say/


Yes... I am aware.. I have posted about it many times.
 
2012-10-09 11:30:51 AM

Sin_City_Superhero: Does Adderall cure poor?


Sell your prescription to pay for trade school and yes.
 
2012-10-09 11:40:38 AM
The school would be more than adequate if many weren't populated mostly by kids with dysfunctional families with formed out parenting skills. Blaming a lack of funding, the teachers, and crumbling infrastructure is just an efficient way to pretend like you actually give a shiat while ignoring the real problem.
 
2012-10-09 11:41:43 AM

MindStalker: taurusowner: Throughout all of human history, the amount of people who were "smart" has been pretty small with the rest of us performing menial labor. For the last 100 years we've gotten to the point where we are actually capable of attempting to school entire populations. And I think we're seeing that it's not working. Just like not everyone actually belongs in college, not everyone has what it takes to really learn. For whatever reason, there's just a lot of people out there who are almost meant to be idiots, and the more we see this in practice, the more hoops we jump through to try to make all of the idiot square pegs to fit into the smart round holes. Not everyone is capable of being a doctor or lawyer. In the past, everyone else would just be a farmer or some other simple job. But now that we've automated most everything, we're discovering we have a lot more imbeciles than we know what to do with.

And this is the issue of our age. Do we help those who don't have valuable skills and possibly find something for them to do of value, or do we ignore them and hope they go away.

//BTW are we the Morlocks or Eloi, I haven't figured that one out yet.


Don't know about you but I am firmly in the morlock camp.


/tis better to eat than be eaten
 
2012-10-09 11:43:09 AM

taurusowner: Throughout all of human history, the amount of people who were "smart" has been pretty small with the rest of us performing menial labor. For the last 100 years we've gotten to the point where we are actually capable of attempting to school entire populations. And I think we're seeing that it's not working. Just like not everyone actually belongs in college, not everyone has what it takes to really learn. For whatever reason, there's just a lot of people out there who are almost meant to be idiots, and the more we see this in practice, the more hoops we jump through to try to make all of the idiot square pegs to fit into the smart round holes. Not everyone is capable of being a doctor or lawyer. In the past, everyone else would just be a farmer or some other simple job. But now that we've automated most everything, we're discovering we have a lot more imbeciles than we know what to do with.


This is why I'm building a gigantic imbecile trebuchet to launch them into orbit.
 
2012-10-09 11:45:19 AM

Zarquon's Flat Tire: tricycleracer: Zarquon's Flat Tire: This might work, what's the street value of Adderol?

$10 per 30mg pill, but those are "friend prices" (or so I'm told).

So let's assume $15 per to customers, and a daily dose being two pills. For a 30 day supply that's $1800 a month. Do that for a few years, use the money to pay for trade school *BAM* the doctored cured his poorness.


STREET PRICES DO NOT WORK THAT WAY!

A street price is what you'd pay without a prescription, which drives up the cost in a big way. The pharm I go to does 30 day supplies of Adderall for $62. Not $1800.
 
2012-10-09 11:53:49 AM
Quentn? Earring? Mall food court?

This kid has every problem BUT ADHD.
 
2012-10-09 11:56:38 AM

MemeSlave: This kid has every problem BUT ADHD.


What you listed aren't problems.
 
2012-10-09 12:00:00 PM

grinding_journalist: Zarquon's Flat Tire: tricycleracer: Zarquon's Flat Tire: This might work, what's the street value of Adderol?

$10 per 30mg pill, but those are "friend prices" (or so I'm told).

So let's assume $15 per to customers, and a daily dose being two pills. For a 30 day supply that's $1800 a month. Do that for a few years, use the money to pay for trade school *BAM* the doctored cured his poorness.

STREET PRICES DO NOT WORK THAT WAY!

A street price is what you'd pay without a prescription, which drives up the cost in a big way. The pharm I go to does 30 day supplies of Adderall for $62. Not $1800.


You can't buy without a script, so pharmacy costs only enter as an investment cost.

So you pay 62 for your scrip, flip it for 10-15 per pill, it adds up. I don't mean somehow take the money that would have gone to the meds and keep it. I'm saying that kid becomes a dealer.
 
2012-10-09 12:01:04 PM

S_CG_Phoenix: That kid in the picture is on Risperdal? That is an anti-psychotic, why does a boy his age need something like that?

Unless he is really suffering from something that the article isn't saying or I missed it but I used to take that for a short while and it was awful. Made me twitchy. Poor kid.


Read page 2. He was hearing and seeing things and feeling suicidal.
 
2012-10-09 12:07:08 PM

Ranger677: S_CG_Phoenix: That kid in the picture is on Risperdal? That is an anti-psychotic, why does a boy his age need something like that?

Unless he is really suffering from something that the article isn't saying or I missed it but I used to take that for a short while and it was awful. Made me twitchy. Poor kid.

Read page 2. He was hearing and seeing things and feeling suicidal.


Of course, it is probably due to the Adderall, but they do not want him to stop taking that.
 
2012-10-09 12:08:16 PM
Dear Doctor,

Why don't you suggest to these parents that they fix Timmy's diet, turn off the TV and parent, and get him tested for allergies before giving him drugs? WTF?

You are making everyone who legitimately has ADD look bad.

Drugs are one part of the solution for ADD, they will still need to watch their diets and learn study and organization skills that will help them with their unique issues.

/Hubby has ADD
//Pretty sure my Dad and Brother have it too
 
2012-10-09 12:23:25 PM

taurusowner: Throughout all of human history, the amount of people who were "smart" has been pretty small with the rest of us performing menial labor. For the last 100 years we've gotten to the point where we are actually capable of attempting to school entire populations. And I think we're seeing that it's not working. Just like not everyone actually belongs in college, not everyone has what it takes to really learn. For whatever reason, there's just a lot of people out there who are almost meant to be idiots, and the more we see this in practice, the more hoops we jump through to try to make all of the idiot square pegs to fit into the smart round holes. Not everyone is capable of being a doctor or lawyer. In the past, everyone else would just be a farmer or some other simple job. But now that we've automated most everything, we're discovering we have a lot more imbeciles than we know what to do with.


Sounds like we need a good war.
 
2012-10-09 12:23:31 PM

Ranger677: S_CG_Phoenix: That kid in the picture is on Risperdal? That is an anti-psychotic, why does a boy his age need something like that?

Unless he is really suffering from something that the article isn't saying or I missed it but I used to take that for a short while and it was awful. Made me twitchy. Poor kid.

Read page 2. He was hearing and seeing things and feeling suicidal.


Which is a side effect of Adderall (same page).

As to why he takes adderall "So I can listen to my parents and be a good boy." (paraphrasing, same page)

WHY ARE YOU DOING THIS TO YOUR KIDS!?!? WHY IS THE DOCTOR LETTING THEM!

Holy shiat, while my parents were FAR FROM not perfect they just smacked me when they were frustrated with me. They did not fark with my brain chemistry and we're willing to put the time in to help me succeed as a person.

Kids are a second full-time job for the rest of your life, if you cannot handle it get a cat and a vasectomy/tubes tied instead.
 
2012-10-09 12:24:08 PM

shortymac: Why don't you suggest to these parents that they fix Timmy's diet, turn off the TV and parent, and get him tested for allergies before giving him drugs?


Because there's nothing wrong with most of the kids.
 
2012-10-09 12:32:00 PM

WhyteRaven74: shortymac: Why don't you suggest to these parents that they fix Timmy's diet, turn off the TV and parent, and get him tested for allergies before giving him drugs?

Because there's nothing wrong with most of the kids.


If they are exhibiting hyperactive behavior it could be because of the amount of "Juice" well meaning parents give their kids. The cheaper brands tend to be mostly favoring and corn syrup but many people don't realize that. Don't get me started on "kid food" and school lunches, which again is full of corn syrup, dyes, etc.

Couple that with lack of exercise you have a kid bouncing off the walls.

Kids with allergies to strawberries can exhibit hyperactive behavior as well. Also plopping the kid in front of the TV and watching cartoon can overstimulate them. My friends had to stop watching Xena and Hercules in front of their 3 year old because she would imitate the show and roughhouse way too much.
 
2012-10-09 12:32:04 PM
But remember, kids, weed is evil.
 
2012-10-09 12:36:38 PM

orbister: If only these drugs had been around when Mozart was a kid, eh?


and if only Hitler had been accepted to art school, durr?
 
2012-10-09 12:39:31 PM

shortymac: If they are exhibiting hyperactive behavior it could be because of the amount of "Juice" well meaning parents give their kids


Or it could be that kids don't get much in the way of creative outlets these days.
 
2012-10-09 12:54:55 PM

WhyteRaven74: shortymac: If they are exhibiting hyperactive behavior it could be because of the amount of "Juice" well meaning parents give their kids

Or it could be that kids don't get much in the way of creative outlets these days.


That as well, I don't understand why the doctor wouldn't recommend this to the parent(s) but instead go directly to subscribing needless drugs (If the kids doesn't have ADD, don't give him ADD drugs!"
 
2012-10-09 01:02:50 PM

Killer Cars: That article was a lot more depressing than I figured it would be, and a pediatrician saying "We've decided as a society....we have to modify the kid" might be the most "holy sh*t, there's a lot to unpack there" statement I'll see all month anywhere.


Yeah, that one is quite the eye opener. Though, I've got to give a runner up to "People who are getting A's and B's, I won't give it to them." That one kind of drives home that the kid as a human's been remove from the equation. At that point, they're just a score that we're trying to optimize.
 
2012-10-09 01:22:12 PM

taurusowner: now that we've automated most everything, we're discovering we have a lot more imbeciles than we know what to do with.


That is one of the funniest sentences I've read in a long time.

As for TFA, that doc is doing what every other doc does when parents come in and describe a 10 year old acting like a 10 year old.

Say they're ADD and give'em meds.

/I'm shocked this surprises anyone
 
2012-10-09 01:26:58 PM

The Southern Logic Company: Eatin' Queer Fetuses for Jesus: The Southern Logic Company: Eatin' Queer Fetuses for Jesus: Shadow Blasko: cman: I really wished that amphetamine was OTC

I just wish it costs what it did 4 years ago so I could actually afford my meds.

THIS.

Why the fark am I paying $35 a month for generic non-time-release? Even Ritalin is on the $4 list at Wally World and the grocery stores (well, not actually on the list, because it is controlled, but it's $4 nonetheless).

I take Vyvanse daily (or I would....) and I pay 50 bucks for a month's worth. I just love paying out the ass for something I need only to have the doctor and pharmacist treat me like a drug seeker. Of course, people getting Anti-Depressants and Anti-Anxiety drugs don't get this kind of treatment because those are accepted by society. Can't function or stay on task? You must be lazy/stupid/poorly raised. Or out to get drugs.

Isn't that awesome when your doctor takes another gig and moves out of state, and then you have to spend almost a year convincing some new schlub that you aren't a junkie, going to their office for a $100 visit every month to get a refill? Land of the free.

Even better was, after I returned from China, my doctor was in another state and I could only bring 2 months worth of Vyvanse with me to China. Chinese doctors do not believe in nor do they prescribe anything for ADHD so I had to do without. Whatever, cost of living overseas.

I had a doctor here in Georgia flat out refuse to give me the medication because "You seem to have functioned fine without it for the past 8 months." Uh, no farkstick. I got everything done at the last freaking minute, my girlfriend had to literally FORCE me to go to teach some days and my apartment was an absolute dump of papers and beer bottles. I was still very much suffering from it even after exercising and meditating everyday. Its a miracle I didn't fark up enough to get fired. I have never had this much scrutiny over medication. Apparently ...


I know what you mean, brother. I was uninsured for almost 2 years and went into pretty much a cycle of farkery that when I got the position I have now (with benefits), I am still so stuck in the cycle of lastminuteomgstrrrrressssss that I ended up having a farking crying jag in my office not long ago after an insanely busy Fall semester finally wrapped (work at a uni). My doctor won't give me more than 15mg a day of Adderal, and that barely gets me out of bed. He gives my BF (we have the same doc) 60 mgs, as well as Lexapro (he just repeated what I told him, and he fills the scrip and turns them over to me) with barely a blink. I have no idea what I'm doing wrong, but I shouldn't have to practice what I'm going to say when I go in so there's nothing he can misconstrue as me "sounding like a junkie". farker.
 
2012-10-09 01:30:38 PM

Magorn: ArkAngel: While I can appreciate the doctor's attempt to help the children as best he can, raising an entire generation on psychotropic drugs is not the way to do it.

All perscription drugs have side effects, using pyschotropics on adolescents is an almost gauranteed way to fark up thier brain chemistry during puberty and set them up for serious long-term chemical imbalances and brain disorders. This doctor is playing god and needs to have his license yanked, yesterday.

I say this as someone who has been informally diagnosed as ADHD all his life (and has two nephews with formal diagnoses) I had bad grades in elementary and HS, and would have ended up in special ed but for the fact that they always give an IQ test to justify that, and mine, in all modesty, usually tested off the scale (I have always had a knack for standardized tests, my PSATs SATs and LSATs were all 99th percentile).

If you have a brain like mine you need to learn how to make it work for you even if the academic world is basically set up in a way deliberately antagonistic to how you learn. Training yourself in coping mechanisms beats the fark out of becoming dependent on drugs. Especially because, while no one talks about ti, having an ADHD brain gives you huge congnitive ADVANTAGES when you learn to use it properly. Your pattern recognition skills, your ability to synthethize information from disparate sources quickly and your ability to "Think on your feet", to say nothing of your creativity, are all much higher than in "normal" kids.


My husband, who has it, has theorized that I have it as well. (All of my good friends do.)

I had good grades in school and worked hard so I joked that "I made it my biatch."

/fark yeah.
//no idea if I actually do or not.
 
2012-10-09 01:33:24 PM

rogue_L_chick: The Southern Logic Company: Eatin' Queer Fetuses for Jesus: The Southern Logic Company: Eatin' Queer Fetuses for Jesus: Shadow Blasko: cman: I really wished that amphetamine was OTC

I just wish it costs what it did 4 years ago so I could actually afford my meds.

THIS.

Why the fark am I paying $35 a month for generic non-time-release? Even Ritalin is on the $4 list at Wally World and the grocery stores (well, not actually on the list, because it is controlled, but it's $4 nonetheless).

I take Vyvanse daily (or I would....) and I pay 50 bucks for a month's worth. I just love paying out the ass for something I need only to have the doctor and pharmacist treat me like a drug seeker. Of course, people getting Anti-Depressants and Anti-Anxiety drugs don't get this kind of treatment because those are accepted by society. Can't function or stay on task? You must be lazy/stupid/poorly raised. Or out to get drugs.

Isn't that awesome when your doctor takes another gig and moves out of state, and then you have to spend almost a year convincing some new schlub that you aren't a junkie, going to their office for a $100 visit every month to get a refill? Land of the free.

Even better was, after I returned from China, my doctor was in another state and I could only bring 2 months worth of Vyvanse with me to China. Chinese doctors do not believe in nor do they prescribe anything for ADHD so I had to do without. Whatever, cost of living overseas.

I had a doctor here in Georgia flat out refuse to give me the medication because "You seem to have functioned fine without it for the past 8 months." Uh, no farkstick. I got everything done at the last freaking minute, my girlfriend had to literally FORCE me to go to teach some days and my apartment was an absolute dump of papers and beer bottles. I was still very much suffering from it even after exercising and meditating everyday. Its a miracle I didn't fark up enough to get fired. I have never had this much scrutiny o ...


Most likely, you are being way too modest about your issues. I'm guessing you are also a girl seeing a male doctor. Although women go to doctor's more they can be brushed off as being a "worry-wort".

I suggest finding a new doctor, preferably a CHILD psychologist, because ADD is labeled as a "childhood" disorder so they have more experience in that area.

I also recommend the book "Delivered from Distraction", it really helped me understand my ADD hubby and improved both of our lives.
 
2012-10-09 01:35:53 PM

ProfessorOhki: Killer Cars: That article was a lot more depressing than I figured it would be, and a pediatrician saying "We've decided as a society....we have to modify the kid" might be the most "holy sh*t, there's a lot to unpack there" statement I'll see all month anywhere.

Yeah, that one is quite the eye opener. Though, I've got to give a runner up to "People who are getting A's and B's, I won't give it to them." That one kind of drives home that the kid as a human's been remove from the equation. At that point, they're just a score that we're trying to optimize.


That is jacked the hell up. I am (and always was) an "overachiever". I would (and still do, to a degree) kill myself to turn out perfection. I was the kid getting straight As, but shoving a towel under my door so my parents didn't see the light on because I was up re-doing assignments unil 4 am because I was so afraid of "slacking". My natural inclination is to do the work, think it looks alright and go do something else as quickly as possible, however...my dad would beat the crap out of me for a misplaced comma. I would have killed to have a way to function without the stress of forgotten details. Still would. Too bad I have one more thing to stress about...having my doctor believe that this isn't healthy.
 
2012-10-09 01:44:56 PM
I am curious to see what the brain cancer rate will be one day for all of these kids who took speed and Prozac during their developmental years....
I'd say "Serves em right," but in the case of the kids, what happens won't REALLY be their fault.
 
2012-10-09 01:45:22 PM
Every once in a while, Fark makes me re-think stuff. Sitting here, reading this mess and re-reading what I wrote...it just hit me how truly gawd-awful I feel about this. It's really affecting everything. My poor family...last night I actually started hollering that it's not my job to tell people whether or not the graham crackers need to be put in a ziplock bag and please stop making me think for youuuuu..."

It's helpful I work in the benefits office...I'm making an appt today with a psychologist I just found that actually happens to treat kids and adults.

Thanks, all. :)
 
2012-10-09 01:59:20 PM

rogue_L_chick: It's helpful I work in the benefits office...I'm making an appt today with a psychologist I just found that actually happens to treat kids and adults.


I smarted your post because you did something smart. Carry on with my random internet blessing. :)
 
2012-10-09 02:12:14 PM

rogue_L_chick: Every once in a while, Fark makes me re-think stuff. Sitting here, reading this mess and re-reading what I wrote...it just hit me how truly gawd-awful I feel about this. It's really affecting everything. My poor family...last night I actually started hollering that it's not my job to tell people whether or not the graham crackers need to be put in a ziplock bag and please stop making me think for youuuuu..."

It's helpful I work in the benefits office...I'm making an appt today with a psychologist I just found that actually happens to treat kids and adults.

Thanks, all. :)


Won't a psychologist just put you on drugs?
 
2012-10-09 02:17:09 PM
taurusowner: "And I think we're seeing that it's not working."

Based on what? Your squishy feeling about 'dumb' people based on your experiences at fast food registers?
I mean, it's clearly not based on overwhelming objective evidence. Because that consistently shows kids today are smarter than kids in any previous generation.
And that test scores aren't uniformly rising in America almost entirely due to socioeconomic problems (poor, no parental involvement or both) and our habit of sliding up the requirements of those tests as children become smarter.

The only thing demonstrably not working, are the critical thinking and science classes that clearly didn't impart good mental habits on former students.
Because we keep seeing citizens gravitate toward policy positions and world views prior to assembling any evidence and then remaining there in stubborn opposition to evidence.
 
2012-10-09 02:21:20 PM
Killer Cars: "That article was a lot more depressing than I figured it would be, and a pediatrician saying "We've decided as a society....we have to modify the kid" might be the most "holy sh*t, there's a lot to unpack there" statement I'll see all month anywhere."

THIS. Quite a few times.
 
2012-10-09 02:26:03 PM

doczoidberg: Won't a psychologist just put you on drugs?


Psychologist can't prescribe drugs, IIRC. Only a psychiatrist can? (willing to be corrected)
 
2012-10-09 02:40:57 PM
"If they're feeling positive, happy, socializing more, and it's helping them, why wouldn't you? Why not?"

lulz, that's a helluva drug
 
2012-10-09 03:01:12 PM

rogue_L_chick: Every once in a while, Fark makes me re-think stuff. Sitting here, reading this mess and re-reading what I wrote...it just hit me how truly gawd-awful I feel about this. It's really affecting everything. My poor family...last night I actually started hollering that it's not my job to tell people whether or not the graham crackers need to be put in a ziplock bag and please stop making me think for youuuuu..."

It's helpful I work in the benefits office...I'm making an appt today with a psychologist I just found that actually happens to treat kids and adults.

Thanks, all. :)


Glad you're getting what you need! Sometimes its hard to notice what you're doing and how it effects the people around you, especially with ADHD. Best of luck to you with the new doc!
 
2012-10-09 03:22:30 PM

Magorn: If you have a brain like mine you need to learn how to make it work for you even if the academic world is basically set up in a way deliberately antagonistic to how you learn. Training yourself in coping mechanisms beats the fark out of becoming dependent on drugs. Especially because, while no one talks about ti, having an ADHD brain gives you huge congnitive ADVANTAGES when you learn to use it properly. Your pattern recognition skills, your ability to synthethize information from disparate sources quickly and your ability to "Think on your feet", to say nothing of your creativity, are all much higher than in "normal" kids.


^ Have enough irons in the fire at once and you'll find yourself getting distracted by things you needed to do anyway. As for academia, yup. There's some evidence that it's actually easier to pay attention to something when there's not a perfect signal-to-noise ratio. Having noise to actively tune out benefits the lecture more than a silent room full of people sitting still; it makes the student something other than entirely passive.
 
2012-10-09 03:37:33 PM
Let me get this straight, the snowflakes get good grades when the farking pay attention? How is this the school's fault again?
 
2012-10-09 03:50:26 PM

puppetmaster745: Let me get this straight, the snowflakes get good grades when the farking pay attention? How is this the school's fault again?


They don't have ANYTHING wrong with them, yet are being given drugs for people with ADD so they can "be a good boy".

There's something very sick and wrong with that line of thinking.
 
2012-10-09 04:04:27 PM

relcec: The school would be more than adequate if many weren't populated mostly by kids with dysfunctional families with formed out parenting skills. Blaming a lack of funding, the teachers, and crumbling infrastructure is just an efficient way to pretend like you actually give a shiat while ignoring the real problem.


THIS
 
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