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(The New York Times)   Doctor in Georgia prescribes Adderall to kids suffering from: A) Attention Deficit Disorder B) Attention Deficit Hyperactivity Disorder C) Being Poor   (nytimes.com) divider line 125
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ZAZ [TotalFark]
2012-10-09 09:31:48 AM
I was expecting worse from poor+drugs. Up here we had a couple who saw children as a way to get disability benefits and free drugs. One of their children was too normal, but they eventually managed to find a doctor to diagnose her and put her on medication. They drugged her to death, apparently for acting like a normal child and distracting them from non-parenting activities. Judging by contemporary media reports the family was an extreme case of a common problem.
 
2012-10-09 10:23:37 AM
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2012-10-09 10:23:50 AM
While I can appreciate the doctor's attempt to help the children as best he can, raising an entire generation on psychotropic drugs is not the way to do it.
 
2012-10-09 10:24:44 AM
"We've decided as a society that it's too expensive to modify the kid's environment. So we have to modify the kid."

We have?
 
2012-10-09 10:25:12 AM
Getting a B instead of a C in elementary school is certainly worth drugging your children.
 
2012-10-09 10:25:17 AM
Dr. Anderson is one of the more outspoken proponents of an idea that is gaining interest among some physicians. They are prescribing stimulants to struggling students in schools starved of extra money - not to treat A.D.H.D., necessarily, but to boost their academic performance.

Wow, that idea is gaining interest...
 
2012-10-09 10:25:28 AM
I really wished that amphetamine was OTC
 
2012-10-09 10:25:52 AM

CapeFearCadaver: "We've decided as a society that it's too expensive to modify the kid's environment. So we have to modify the kid."

We have?


well, he is from a red state
 
2012-10-09 10:25:58 AM
This might work, what's the street value of Adderol?
 
2012-10-09 10:26:04 AM
Congratulations, you farking moron.

You've now been outed as abusing a Schedule II narcotic that is already hard as hell to get for legitimate adult ADHD patients, and will now be more so because you decided every little poor snowflake needed it to concentrate.

You should go to jail the same as the hydro script factory docs out there who defraud medicaid to support their patient's drug habits.
 
2012-10-09 10:26:36 AM
This country gets more f*cked up by the day.
 
2012-10-09 10:26:52 AM
Well, they will probably end up on meth anyway... might as well start them out on the good shiat.
 
2012-10-09 10:26:59 AM
This asshole's license should be yanked and fast. He has just given the state board of medical examiners sufficient cause to do so. This is just unbelievable.
 
2012-10-09 10:28:39 AM

cman: I really wished that amphetamine was OTC


I just wish it costs what it did 4 years ago so I could actually afford my meds.
 
2012-10-09 10:28:48 AM

CapeFearCadaver: "We've decided as a society that it's too expensive to modify the kid's environment. So we have to modify the kid."

We have?


Yes, we have.

Poor state or not, red state or not, education is horribly underfunded. Teachers cannot possibly do the 3000 jobs we ask of them with the necessary focus on individual needs that we've also assigned.
 
2012-10-09 10:29:01 AM
Throughout all of human history, the amount of people who were "smart" has been pretty small with the rest of us performing menial labor. For the last 100 years we've gotten to the point where we are actually capable of attempting to school entire populations. And I think we're seeing that it's not working. Just like not everyone actually belongs in college, not everyone has what it takes to really learn. For whatever reason, there's just a lot of people out there who are almost meant to be idiots, and the more we see this in practice, the more hoops we jump through to try to make all of the idiot square pegs to fit into the smart round holes. Not everyone is capable of being a doctor or lawyer. In the past, everyone else would just be a farmer or some other simple job. But now that we've automated most everything, we're discovering we have a lot more imbeciles than we know what to do with.
 
2012-10-09 10:29:29 AM
The problem is lack of parenting. And it's getting worse, not better.
 
2012-10-09 10:30:53 AM

cman: I really wished that amphetamine was OTC


Go down to the local playground and buy it over-the-fence instead. Apparently there are a lot of kids who need money instead of the amphetamines that are in their pocket. Glad there was a shortage recently that sent my prices through the roof, all for no reason. Silver lining: with the quality of today's educational system, I won't really have to worry about competition for my job from American workers for my entire working life.
 
2012-10-09 10:31:14 AM
A gram is better than a damn.
 
2012-10-09 10:32:21 AM
And he calls the disorder "made up" which I find interesting having been diagnosed 4 years ago at age 38. So I guess this means I am lazy/stupid/crazy/just an asshole. Thanks doc.
 
2012-10-09 10:32:31 AM
I like that these kids will have to sit through DARE classes learning about how drugs are terrible and will ruin their lives.
 
2012-10-09 10:34:16 AM

BronyMedic: Congratulations, you farking moron.

You've now been outed as abusing a Schedule II narcotic that is already hard as hell to get for legitimate adult ADHD patients, and will now be more so because you decided every little poor snowflake needed it to concentrate.

You should go to jail the same as the hydro script factory docs out there who defraud medicaid to support their patient's drug habits.


This. Seems like malpractice to me...
 
2012-10-09 10:34:21 AM
Kid in the pic FTA looks like he hasn't slept in weeks.

/Good thing pot's still illegal
 
2012-10-09 10:34:41 AM

Zarquon's Flat Tire: This might work, what's the street value of Adderol?


$10 per 30mg pill, but those are "friend prices" (or so I'm told).
 
2012-10-09 10:35:10 AM

Shadow Blasko: cman: I really wished that amphetamine was OTC

I just wish it costs what it did 4 years ago so I could actually afford my meds.


THIS.

Why the fark am I paying $35 a month for generic non-time-release? Even Ritalin is on the $4 list at Wally World and the grocery stores (well, not actually on the list, because it is controlled, but it's $4 nonetheless).
 
2012-10-09 10:35:45 AM
If only these drugs had been around when Mozart was a kid, eh?
 
2012-10-09 10:36:26 AM

Ohlookabutterfly: And he calls the disorder "made up" which I find interesting having been diagnosed 4 years ago at age 38. So I guess this means I am lazy/stupid/crazy/just an asshole. Thanks doc.


I was talking to the wife of my co-worker, who takes Strattera. She's also an RN (or something of that ilk, but her specialty is nutters). She said ADD/ADHD management is 10% drugs, 30% exercise, 30% diet, and 30% routine. I've been mulling over that statement ever since. What it taught me is that ADD/ADHD is basically like Type 1 diabetes and is successfully managed the same way.

I'm not saying you don't have it. You just reminded me of that discussion.
 
2012-10-09 10:37:19 AM
Personally, I'd love to be back on ADD meds like when I was in high school. I got so much done, it was fantastic. Too bad it basically shut down my personality, though killing my sex drive wasn't a problem in high school.

//Didn't get laid till I was 23.
 
2012-10-09 10:38:04 AM

Eatin' Queer Fetuses for Jesus: Shadow Blasko: cman: I really wished that amphetamine was OTC

I just wish it costs what it did 4 years ago so I could actually afford my meds.

THIS.

Why the fark am I paying $35 a month for generic non-time-release? Even Ritalin is on the $4 list at Wally World and the grocery stores (well, not actually on the list, because it is controlled, but it's $4 nonetheless).


At $4, I should consider taking Ritalin again.
 
2012-10-09 10:38:46 AM
Win-Win-Win and Win

Government pays Doc - Pharmacy sells drug- Kid sells drug - Stoner gets high

Everybody wins!

Well, almost everyone.
 
2012-10-09 10:43:18 AM
That kid in the picture is on Risperdal? That is an anti-psychotic, why does a boy his age need something like that?

Unless he is really suffering from something that the article isn't saying or I missed it but I used to take that for a short while and it was awful. Made me twitchy. Poor kid.
 
2012-10-09 10:43:43 AM
Although A.D.H.D is the diagnosis Dr. Anderson makes, he calls the disorder "made up" and "an excuse" to prescribe the pills to treat what he considers the children's true ill - poor academic performance in inadequate schools.

I wonder where this guy got his license.
 
2012-10-09 10:44:10 AM

2KanZam: Kid in the pic FTA looks like he hasn't slept in weeks.

/Good thing pot's still illegal


He's probably exhausted from explaining that his name is NOT misspelled.
 
2012-10-09 10:46:17 AM

taurusowner: Throughout all of human history, the amount of people who were "smart" has been pretty small with the rest of us performing menial labor. For the last 100 years we've gotten to the point where we are actually capable of attempting to school entire populations. And I think we're seeing that it's not working. Just like not everyone actually belongs in college, not everyone has what it takes to really learn. For whatever reason, there's just a lot of people out there who are almost meant to be idiots, and the more we see this in practice, the more hoops we jump through to try to make all of the idiot square pegs to fit into the smart round holes. Not everyone is capable of being a doctor or lawyer. In the past, everyone else would just be a farmer or some other simple job. But now that we've automated most everything, we're discovering we have a lot more imbeciles than we know what to do with.


THIS
 
2012-10-09 10:46:33 AM

ArkAngel: While I can appreciate the doctor's attempt to help the children as best he can, raising an entire generation on psychotropic drugs is not the way to do it.


It's a long-term investment gamble.

Once Obamacare starts up next year, all the doctors who started prescribing meds this year will be able to set back and reap the BigPharm benefits for pushing their junk.
 
2012-10-09 10:46:46 AM
That family is crazy. Farking Stepford kids is what they want. This is scary. Why fix the broken system when we can just medicate the victims of it instead.
 
2012-10-09 10:48:39 AM

taurusowner: For the last 100 years we've gotten to the point where we are actually capable of attempting to school entire populations. And I think we're seeing that it's not working. Just like not everyone actually belongs in college, not everyone has what it takes to really learn.


Ironically I was just looking at gifted funding by state about an hour ago.

I think people are less idiots than you think. At least they can make it up through... Say 9th grade equivalent without problems. I also think the education system needs a complete overhaul (and who doesn't?) so that those 9 years are far more useful, even to those you'd condemn as idiots.
 
2012-10-09 10:49:48 AM
I'd question these kids' diets as well. Bet you most of his patients are living on high sodium/sugar diets and a lack of fruits and veggies which affect mood and energy levels as well as concentration in children. Wonder how many of these parents he told to go to the produce department at Kroger before jumping to meds. I'm thinking... oh... none?
 
2012-10-09 10:50:31 AM

Eatin' Queer Fetuses for Jesus: Why the fark am I paying $35 a month for generic non-time-release? Even Ritalin is on the $4 list at Wally World and the grocery stores (well, not actually on the list, because it is controlled, but it's $4 nonetheless).


wat?

Christ.... I am paying $200-$250 a month for my dexedrine... generic.
 
2012-10-09 10:50:38 AM

BronyMedic: Congratulations, you farking moron.

You've now been outed as abusing a Schedule II narcotic that is already hard as hell to get for legitimate adult ADHD patients, and will now be more so because you decided every little poor snowflake needed it to concentrate.

You should go to jail the same as the hydro script factory docs out there who defraud medicaid to support their patient's drug habits.


He outed himself and should lose his license to 'practice medicine'.Medicare should get up his ass for fraud as well.
I wonder if he gets kickbacks from the drug company?
 
2012-10-09 10:53:27 AM
I should say I *would* be paying that much for it, but I can't afford to get it filled at all right now.
 
2012-10-09 10:53:31 AM

taurusowner: ...we're discovering we have a lot more imbeciles than we know what to do with.


War with Iran will take care of the excess. Still too many? War with China. Still too many? Uh, Mars Colony volunteers.
 
2012-10-09 10:55:16 AM
That article was a lot more depressing than I figured it would be, and a pediatrician saying "We've decided as a society....we have to modify the kid" might be the most "holy sh*t, there's a lot to unpack there" statement I'll see all month anywhere.
 
2012-10-09 10:55:43 AM

tricycleracer: Zarquon's Flat Tire: This might work, what's the street value of Adderol?

$10 per 30mg pill, but those are "friend prices" (or so I'm told).


So let's assume $15 per to customers, and a daily dose being two pills. For a 30 day supply that's $1800 a month. Do that for a few years, use the money to pay for trade school *BAM* the doctored cured his poorness.
 
2012-10-09 10:55:44 AM

Eatin' Queer Fetuses for Jesus: Shadow Blasko: cman: I really wished that amphetamine was OTC

I just wish it costs what it did 4 years ago so I could actually afford my meds.

THIS.

Why the fark am I paying $35 a month for generic non-time-release? Even Ritalin is on the $4 list at Wally World and the grocery stores (well, not actually on the list, because it is controlled, but it's $4 nonetheless).


I take Vyvanse daily (or I would....) and I pay 50 bucks for a month's worth. I just love paying out the ass for something I need only to have the doctor and pharmacist treat me like a drug seeker. Of course, people getting Anti-Depressants and Anti-Anxiety drugs don't get this kind of treatment because those are accepted by society. Can't function or stay on task? You must be lazy/stupid/poorly raised. Or out to get drugs.
 
2012-10-09 10:56:24 AM
Cool, one step closer to Huxley's Soma (not Carisoprodol). The masses should be quite under control in a few years. Not sure why who'd want to control over millions of slobbering drones, but the option is there I guess.
 
2012-10-09 10:57:00 AM

PallMall: ArkAngel: While I can appreciate the doctor's attempt to help the children as best he can, raising an entire generation on psychotropic drugs is not the way to do it.

It's a long-term investment gamble.

Once Obamacare starts up next year, all the doctors who started prescribing meds this year will be able to set back and reap the BigPharm benefits for pushing their junk.


wat
 
2012-10-09 10:59:30 AM

taurusowner: Throughout all of human history, the amount of people who were "smart" has been pretty small with the rest of us performing menial labor. For the last 100 years we've gotten to the point where we are actually capable of attempting to school entire populations. And I think we're seeing that it's not working. Just like not everyone actually belongs in college, not everyone has what it takes to really learn. For whatever reason, there's just a lot of people out there who are almost meant to be idiots, and the more we see this in practice, the more hoops we jump through to try to make all of the idiot square pegs to fit into the smart round holes. Not everyone is capable of being a doctor or lawyer. In the past, everyone else would just be a farmer or some other simple job. But now that we've automated most everything, we're discovering we have a lot more imbeciles than we know what to do with.


And this is the issue of our age. Do we help those who don't have valuable skills and possibly find something for them to do of value, or do we ignore them and hope they go away.

//BTW are we the Morlocks or Eloi, I haven't figured that one out yet.
 
2012-10-09 11:00:17 AM

Zarquon's Flat Tire: tricycleracer: Zarquon's Flat Tire: This might work, what's the street value of Adderol?

$10 per 30mg pill, but those are "friend prices" (or so I'm told).

So let's assume $15 per to customers, and a daily dose being two pills. For a 30 day supply that's $1800 a month. Do that for a few years, use the money to pay for trade school *BAM* the doctored cured his poorness.


Btw, there's an extended release version, which is only 1 a day. Don't know how new it is, but my kid has it (insert defensive look here).
 
2012-10-09 11:03:08 AM

CapeFearCadaver: "We've decided as a society that it's too expensive to modify the kid's environment. So we have to modify the kid."

We have?


Yes.
 
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