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(American Thinker)   One-party rule is not a defining trait of leftist authoritarianism. It is merely one way of achieving leftism's aims   (americanthinker.com) divider line 95
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2012-10-09 10:12:55 AM

MyRandomName: Mugato: Is Tuesday now "Link to douchebag right wing article" Day?

Wow. Way to support the theory of the article. We get it. Liberals hate information or views they don't agree with. They would rather silence opponents than actually debate them. Online this leads to echo chambers. Too bad fark isnt quite at that doubt for you yet. The 90-10 split is apparently too much for your fragile world to handle. Oh noes. Not countering views. The horror. The horror.


Are you really defending the "OMG Liberals are commie fascists!!1!" article? Really?
 
2012-10-09 10:14:42 AM

thurstonxhowell: Millennium: Beware of Othering, remember that your opponents are people not so different from yourself who want want to destroy everything you love and control every second of your life... what derptastic, horrifically right-wing arguments these are.

You left off the derptastic part. You can't just leave out the derp and then tell us it wasn't there.


Well, yes; I did leave out that part. I was trying to be charitable to the leftists.
 
2012-10-09 10:16:20 AM
Yeesh.

That was the first time I actually bothered to read the derp that is American "Thinker". While in a very general sense I can agree that authoritarianism is bad, m'kay, it takes willful ignorance to see that at this current cross-section of history, the right-wing elements of the US has more authoritarian tendencies than the left. Worrying about the left being authoritarian because they are implementing regulations on industry (health insurers, for example) while at the same time the right wing is seeking to regulate personal behavior while also joining Church and State is a bit like complaining about the butter on your breakfast toast not melting fast enough while your house is on fire.

Bonus: American Thinker seems to be unaware that Orwell was a self-identified socialist who fought alongside the anarchists and communists during the Spanish Civil War

/Homage to Catalonia should also be required reading
 
2012-10-09 10:18:30 AM

DeArmondVI: Yeesh.

That was the first time I actually bothered to read the derp that is American "Thinker". While in a very general sense I can agree that authoritarianism is bad, m'kay, it takes willful ignorance not to see that at this current cross-section of history, the right-wing elements of the US has more authoritarian tendencies than the left. Worrying about the left being authoritarian because they are implementing regulations on industry (health insurers, for example) while at the same time the right wing is seeking to regulate personal behavior while also joining Church and State is a bit like complaining about the butter on your breakfast toast not melting fast enough while your house is on fire.

Bonus: American Thinker seems to be unaware that Orwell was a self-identified socialist who fought alongside the anarchists and communists during the Spanish Civil War

/Homage to Catalonia should also be required reading


That omission kind of reversed my point, d'oh!
 
2012-10-09 10:22:44 AM

DeArmondVI: Yeesh.

That was the first time I actually bothered to read the derp that is American "Thinker". While in a very general sense I can agree that authoritarianism is bad, m'kay, it takes willful ignorance to see that at this current cross-section of history, the right-wing elements of the US has more authoritarian tendencies than the left. Worrying about the left being authoritarian because they are implementing regulations on industry (health insurers, for example) while at the same time the right wing is seeking to regulate personal behavior while also joining Church and State is a bit like complaining about the butter on your breakfast toast not melting fast enough while your house is on fire.

Bonus: American Thinker seems to be unaware that Orwell was a self-identified socialist who fought alongside the anarchists and communists during the Spanish Civil War

/Homage to Catalonia should also be required reading


Great book. Also there is a free movie on YouTube called "Land and Freedom". It's pretty much Homage to Catalonia translated to film.
 
2012-10-09 10:22:46 AM

DeArmondVI: Yeesh.

That was the first time I actually bothered to read the derp that is American "Thinker". While in a very general sense I can agree that authoritarianism is bad, m'kay, it takes willful ignorance to see that at this current cross-section of history, the right-wing elements of the US has more authoritarian tendencies than the left. Worrying about the left being authoritarian because they are implementing regulations on industry (health insurers, for example) while at the same time the right wing is seeking to regulate personal behavior while also joining Church and State is a bit like complaining about the butter on your breakfast toast not melting fast enough while your house is on fire.

Bonus: American Thinker seems to be unaware that Orwell was a self-identified socialist who fought alongside the anarchists and communists during the Spanish Civil War

/Homage to Catalonia should also be required reading


We don't want to control you. We want you to control you. The current state of society acts as a grand, impersonal enabler for those who don't, and we're getting tired of the social largesse being abused in this way, so we want to put policies into place that apply the safety net more judiciously. That means that a large number of people will need to get their act together, but that's their problem. Those in need will still get what they need.
 
2012-10-09 10:26:45 AM

Millennium: DeArmondVI: Yeesh.

That was the first time I actually bothered to read the derp that is American "Thinker". While in a very general sense I can agree that authoritarianism is bad, m'kay, it takes willful ignorance to see that at this current cross-section of history, the right-wing elements of the US has more authoritarian tendencies than the left. Worrying about the left being authoritarian because they are implementing regulations on industry (health insurers, for example) while at the same time the right wing is seeking to regulate personal behavior while also joining Church and State is a bit like complaining about the butter on your breakfast toast not melting fast enough while your house is on fire.

Bonus: American Thinker seems to be unaware that Orwell was a self-identified socialist who fought alongside the anarchists and communists during the Spanish Civil War

/Homage to Catalonia should also be required reading

We don't want to control you. We want you to control you. The current state of society acts as a grand, impersonal enabler for those who don't, and we're getting tired of the social largesse being abused in this way, so we want to put policies into place that apply the safety net more judiciously. That means that a large number of people will need to get their act together, but that's their problem. Those in need will still get what they need.


I see you, troll.
 
2012-10-09 10:30:21 AM

Epoch_Zero: I see you, troll.


us11.memecdn.com
 
2012-10-09 10:31:23 AM

Epoch_Zero: Are you really defending the "OMG Liberals are commie fascists!!1!" article? Really?


I see you've never read his posts before
 
2012-10-09 10:33:03 AM

Jackson Herring: thurstonxhowell: That was actually a fairly decent article for American Thinker.

By which I mean it was a terrible article that no one should read, but it made me want to give the writer a condescending pat on the head rather than strangle him. That's a step up, I guess.

[j.wigflip.com image 417x288]


Great. Now every time I read one of those captions, I'm going to hear it in Homsar's voice.

/Oh, no! You shanked my Jengaship!
//*HEAVY LOURDE*
 
2012-10-09 10:42:15 AM

Jackson Herring: thurstonxhowell: That was actually a fairly decent article for American Thinker.

By which I mean it was a terrible article that no one should read, but it made me want to give the writer a condescending pat on the head rather than strangle him. That's a step up, I guess.

[j.wigflip.com image 417x288]


Hey! Torg is a "lefty"!
 
2012-10-09 10:42:38 AM

born_yesterday: If I'm running adblock, and never click on the link, does Stinker get money from me somehow for clicking on the FARK comments?

Serious question.

Because otherwise, why the fark are we linking to such shiattastic sources?


the right wing sites pay fark to promote them, always has been my assumption.
 
2012-10-09 10:44:30 AM

Epoch_Zero: I see you, troll.


You really think so? What if I told you I wasn't?
 
2012-10-09 10:51:16 AM
There is no "left" in US politics. There is the middle/right dems and the fringe right republicans. I am sorry that the republicans are off the cliff right, but that doesn't automatically create a polar opposite. In order to get the right wing going, you must use fear and create an opposition.. hence the idea of a phantom "left" to be angry at.
 
2012-10-09 10:57:10 AM

Jackson Herring: Epoch_Zero: Are you really defending the "OMG Liberals are commie fascists!!1!" article? Really?

I see you've never read his posts before


Evidently, I haven't.
 
2012-10-09 11:05:11 AM

shadow9d9: There is no "left" in US politics. There is the middle/right dems and the fringe right republicans. I am sorry that the republicans are off the cliff right, but that doesn't automatically create a polar opposite. In order to get the right wing going, you must use fear and create an opposition.. hence the idea of a phantom "left" to be angry at.


This.
 
2012-10-09 11:12:14 AM

Millennium: DeArmondVI: Yeesh.

That was the first time I actually bothered to read the derp that is American "Thinker". While in a very general sense I can agree that authoritarianism is bad, m'kay, it takes willful ignorance to see that at this current cross-section of history, the right-wing elements of the US has more authoritarian tendencies than the left. Worrying about the left being authoritarian because they are implementing regulations on industry (health insurers, for example) while at the same time the right wing is seeking to regulate personal behavior while also joining Church and State is a bit like complaining about the butter on your breakfast toast not melting fast enough while your house is on fire.

Bonus: American Thinker seems to be unaware that Orwell was a self-identified socialist who fought alongside the anarchists and communists during the Spanish Civil War

/Homage to Catalonia should also be required reading

We don't want to control you. We want you to control you. The current state of society acts as a grand, impersonal enabler for those who don't, and we're getting tired of the social largesse being abused in this way, so we want to put policies into place that apply the safety net more judiciously. That means that a large number of people will need to get their act together, but that's their problem. Those in need will still get what they need.


That must be why the GOP wants to control who marries who, what kinds of sex they have, what sort of medical procedures you can get. It's not because they want to control you, of course. They just want to dictate what you can and can't do by your own choice with other consenting adults.
 
2012-10-09 11:28:31 AM
Oh for f*ck's sake.
 
2012-10-09 11:30:45 AM

vpb: Wow. Talk about projection. This is wildly derptastic even by American Stinker standards.


"Republican fervently opposes his delusional fantasies about what liberals believe."
 
2012-10-09 11:37:24 AM
Face it, Farklibs. Your guilty conscience may force you to vote Democratic, but deep down inside you secretly long for a cold-hearted Republican to lower taxes, brutalize criminals, and rule you like a king.
 
2012-10-09 11:39:16 AM
Leftist? I had no idea that the Green or Socialist parties were so close to taking over all three branches of government.
 
2012-10-09 11:48:18 AM
The article is derptastic as usual, but the comments are what makes it a true American Stinker:

"This is a very thought provoking piece, as are all the commenters. Such depth I have rarely witnessed."

"Thank you for another well reasoned, well polished essay, Mr. Jonescu. I wish all American Thinker writers would go over their offerings an extra time or two as you or your copy editor apparently do."

"Freud tagged human development to id, ego, and superego. Perhaps Id can be likened to the range of the autonomic to the instinctive to the glandular; Ego from the glandular to the habitual to the passionate; Superego from the passionate to the moderate to the rationalized. Across Id, Ego, and Superego, one develops the tabula rasa to become a rationalizing being. That seems to be as far as most people get ---including Obama."
 
2012-10-09 11:54:11 AM

czei: "Freud tagged human development to id, ego, and superego. Perhaps Id can be likened to the range of the autonomic to the instinctive to the glandular; Ego from the glandular to the habitual to the passionate; Superego from the passionate to the moderate to the rationalized. Across Id, Ego, and Superego, one develops the tabula rasa to become a rationalizing being. That seems to be as far as most people get ---including Obama."


The best psuedo-intellectualism comes from the ignorant. Someone channeled a post-breakdown Nietzsche there for a second.
 
2012-10-09 12:06:09 PM

czei: Across Id, Ego, and Superego, one develops the tabula rasa to become a rationalizing being.


Speaking of Freud, I think I've spotted one of his slips.
 
2012-10-09 12:08:52 PM
The left and the Obamamessiah are strong armed dictators. Which is why it is important that we vote them out in November. They want nothing more than to crush dissent with an iron fist, which is why it is crucial that we see a peaceful hand off of power on January 20th.
 
2012-10-09 12:09:51 PM
www.mindhuestudio.com
 
2012-10-09 12:14:17 PM
one develops the tabula rasa to become a rationalizing being

What the f*ck did I just READ!!??

"one develops the BLANK SLATE to become a rationalIZING being"

Rationalizing!? Did shiathead actually intend to say "rational" and LOLwhoops Ye Summoneth the Grammar Nazi Cat??

Rationalization (sociology), the means of transition from a traditional society into a rationalized one

Rationalization (economics), an attempt to change a pre-existing ad-hoc workflow into one that is based on a set of published rules. Also, business jargon for a reduction in numbers

Rationalisation (mathematics), the process of removing a square root or imaginary number from the denominator of a fraction

Rationalization (making excuses), a psychological defense mechanism in which perceived controversial behaviors are logically justified


I...I hate stupid people.
 
2012-10-09 12:14:47 PM

BSABSVR: The left and the Obamamessiah are strong armed dictators. Which is why it is important that we vote them out in November. They want nothing more than to crush dissent with an iron fist, which is why it is crucial that we see a peaceful hand off of power on January 20th.


Paranoid fortune cookie? You forgot the lucky numbers.
 
2012-10-09 12:16:17 PM

Millennium: Epoch_Zero: I see you, troll.

You really think so? What if I told you I wasn't?


weknowmemes.com
 
2012-10-09 12:19:57 PM
Remember one thing..

The first three letters in "Liberal" are L I B, also the first three letters in the word "Liberty".

The first three letters in "Conservative" are C O N, also the first three letters in the word "Control".
 
2012-10-09 12:20:26 PM
Error: For blah read LOLwhoops Gramming is Hard.

Oh well, back to the Stratos/Roswell sky-cam.
 
2012-10-09 12:33:30 PM

qorkfiend: That must be why the GOP wants to control... what sort of medical procedures you can get. It's not because they want to control you, of course. They just want to dictate what you can and can't do by your own choice with other consenting adults.


Or rather, to stop enabling those who currently abuse the safety net to run down self-destructive paths without destroying themselves.
 
2012-10-09 12:37:58 PM

DeaH: Leftist? I had no idea that the Green or Socialist parties were so close to taking over all three branches of government.


CPUSA's endorsed candidate DID win the presidency...
 
2012-10-09 12:51:01 PM
Then maybe conservatives should stop being wildly unelectable.
 
2012-10-09 12:53:20 PM
American Projector
 
2012-10-09 12:55:00 PM

Millennium: qorkfiend: That must be why the GOP wants to control... what sort of medical procedures you can get. It's not because they want to control you, of course. They just want to dictate what you can and can't do by your own choice with other consenting adults.

Or rather, to stop enabling those who currently abuse the safety net to run down self-destructive paths without destroying themselves.


Right. You guys don't want to control people. You just want them to not be allowed to do the things you've decided are self-destructive. That's totally different.
 
2012-10-09 01:40:18 PM

Arkanaut: Face it, Farklibs. Your guilty conscience may force you to vote Democratic, but deep down inside you secretly long for a cold-hearted Republican to lower raise taxes, brutalize criminals, and rule you like a king.


FTFY
 
2012-10-09 01:48:16 PM

Diagonal: Arkanaut: Face it, Farklibs. Your guilty conscience may force you to vote Democratic, but deep down inside you secretly long for a cold-hearted Republican to lower raise taxes, brutalize criminals, and rule you like a king.

FTFY


Raise taxes and tell us that they lowered them, I suppose?
 
2012-10-09 02:45:13 PM
Authoritarianism is a symptom of extremism.......guess what farktard, it isn't the democrats that are getting more extreme at an exponential rate.
 
2012-10-09 03:22:07 PM
Politics is the means by which we control other people, and the means by which we defend ourselves from their control.

Call it left, call it right, call it derp. Nobody cares. The question is only whether you want to be up in other people's business or to be left alone.
 
2012-10-09 03:42:13 PM
Uhm... Wouldn't ANY agenda be accomplished by the rule of a single party WITH said agenda?
 
2012-10-09 04:35:13 PM

Millennium:

We don't want to control you. We want you to control you. The current state of society acts as a grand, impersonal enabler for those who don't, and we're getting tired of the social largesse being abused in this way, so we want to put policies into place that apply the safety net more judiciously. That means that a large number of people will need to get their act together, but that's their problem. Those in need will still get what they need.


So what you're saying is that we need to really crack down on people like Florida Gov. Rick Scott, who purposefully overbilled the federal government for Medicare, right? I mean, he only made something like $8 million bucks when the scandal forced him to step down. I'm sure some welfare queen out there is scamming the system way better than that. Pfffffttt.

Or is it the defense contractors who have insulated themselves from the market by making instruments of war that the DoD has said it neither needs nor wants? They seem to have quite a cushy safety net.

Per curiosity, how have all those lovely tea-party written bills forbidding marriage for teh geys helped to diminish government control? What about all of those adorable anti-abortion bills that the tea-partiers in the House made their #1 priority? How does seeking to create a government powerful enough to force every pregnant woman who gets pregnant to have a child diminish government involvement in people's lives?

/difficulty: BSABSVR argument not allowed
 
2012-10-09 04:38:19 PM

DeArmondVI: Millennium:

We don't want to control you. We want you to control you. The current state of society acts as a grand, impersonal enabler for those who don't, and we're getting tired of the social largesse being abused in this way, so we want to put policies into place that apply the safety net more judiciously. That means that a large number of people will need to get their act together, but that's their problem. Those in need will still get what they need.

So what you're saying is that we need to really crack down on people like Florida Gov. Rick Scott, who purposefully overbilled the federal government for Medicare, right? I mean, he only made something like $8 million bucks when the scandal forced him to step down. I'm sure some welfare queen out there is scamming the system way better than that. Pfffffttt.

Or is it the defense contractors who have insulated themselves from the market by making instruments of war that the DoD has said it neither needs nor wants? They seem to have quite a cushy safety net.

Per curiosity, how have all those lovely tea-party written bills forbidding marriage for teh geys helped to diminish government control? What about all of those adorable anti-abortion bills that the tea-partiers in the House made their #1 priority? How does seeking to create a government powerful enough to force every pregnant woman who gets pregnant to have a child diminish government involvement in people's lives?

/difficulty: BSABSVR argument not allowed


I should really get back to previewing my comments before adding them | o...o|
 
2012-10-09 05:59:28 PM

MyRandomName: Mugato: Is Tuesday now "Link to douchebag right wing article" Day?

Wow. Way to support the theory of the article. We get it. Liberals hate information or views they don't agree with. They would rather silence opponents than actually debate them. Online this leads to echo chambers. Too bad fark isnt quite at that doubt for you yet. The 90-10 split is apparently too much for your fragile world to handle. Oh noes. Not countering views. The horror. The horror.


I'll debate anything that rag puts out. I was merely commenting that there was an inordinate number of these sort of articles greenlit today.
 
2012-10-10 01:23:20 AM
Well, if you start with a two-party system and one of the parties dies of a parasitic infection...
 
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