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(Some Guy)   7 Myths about the Columbine Shooting. "Michael Moore is not a creepy opportunist" somehow missing   (thegospelcoalition.org) divider line 205
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2012-10-09 10:14:46 AM  
Paging Trolling for Columbine.
 
2012-10-09 10:17:11 AM  
Because that is not a myth, subby
 
2012-10-09 10:17:11 AM  
I didn't know about #1 until I read that article. Knowing they weren't bullied outcasts turns the way one looks at Columbine upside down.
 
2012-10-09 10:17:34 AM  
That page is barely responding now. Give it 20 minutes and we will have it crushed.
 
2012-10-09 10:17:39 AM  
Your blog... is strange.
 
2012-10-09 10:17:46 AM  
How do this guy's claims have any more veracity than the "myths"? He just makes a list of 7 general ideas regarding Columbine in his blog and then write his own opposing views. Not sources, no quotes or evidence. Just his own views.
 
2012-10-09 10:19:18 AM  
Myth #8: the gospel coalition is not trolling for page views by writing about a 13 year-old school shooting.
 
2012-10-09 10:20:47 AM  
How do this guy's claims have any more veracity than the "myths"? He just makes a list of 7 general ideas regarding Columbine in his blog and then write his own opposing views. Not sources, no quotes or evidence. Just his own views.

TFA is a book review that dispels the myths. He's summarizing from the book, not just making it up as he goes.
 
2012-10-09 10:20:58 AM  
Michael Moore is fat. He is very, very fat.

Your move, libs.
 
2012-10-09 10:21:02 AM  
I know it's not news, but this is a little bit below Fark's usual standards. Not weird enough to be interesting.
 
2012-10-09 10:21:35 AM  
is the marytering story really a thing? I missed that somehow.
 
2012-10-09 10:22:02 AM  
Nor did I see the even more widespread myth, "As a result of this shooting, the gubmint gon' git yer guns!!!!!"
 
2012-10-09 10:22:28 AM  

taurusowner: How do this guy's claims have any more veracity than the "myths"? He just makes a list of 7 general ideas regarding Columbine in his blog and then write his own opposing views. Not sources, no quotes or evidence. Just his own views.


Considering its a book review I'm going to guess that is his source. But then again I did read the whole article.
 
2012-10-09 10:23:01 AM  

juvandy: How do this guy's claims have any more veracity than the "myths"? He just makes a list of 7 general ideas regarding Columbine in his blog and then write his own opposing views. Not sources, no quotes or evidence. Just his own views.

TFA is a book review that dispels the myths. He's summarizing from the book, not just making it up as he goes.


Around here, we call that "laziness."
 
2012-10-09 10:23:12 AM  
It's a weirdly-written regurgitation of the book he's apparently reviewing, but by all accounts it's the definitive Columbine book and very well-regarded.
 
2012-10-09 10:23:23 AM  
Michael Moore is fat!
 
2012-10-09 10:23:24 AM  
Number 6 Myth is bullshait.
 
2012-10-09 10:23:30 AM  
Those kids were terribly bullied.
 
2012-10-09 10:24:37 AM  
Crazy white people with guns.

/the American way
 
2012-10-09 10:24:58 AM  
This actually sounds like a pretty fascinating book. I might have to buy it.
 
2012-10-09 10:25:06 AM  
Since TFA is starting to get a little rickety


Myth #1: The Columbine killers were social misfits who were bullied by their classmates.

Truth: Eric Harris was a lady's man, a charmer who had a number of good friends at school. Dylan Klebold went to the prom the weekend before the shooting.

Both killers attended football games, dances, and school plays. Despite the media reports, neither of them were linked to the "Trench Coat Mafia." Nor were they part of a street gang or known to dress in Gothic style.

Myth #2: The Columbine killers planned a shooting spree inside the school.

Truth: Columbine was a failed bombing. Eric and Dylan planted a bomb inside the cafeteria and then went outside to wait for it to explode. Their initial plan was to shoot students who tried to escape the building in the aftermath. Only once the bomb failed to ignite did they make their way inside to begin shooting students.

Myth #3: The Columbine killers targeted certain kinds of students.

Truth: Although initial news reports claimed the Columbine killers had targeted minorities, jocks, and Christians, the killing was indiscriminate. Their initial plan was to blow up hundreds of students in the cafeteria. When the bombs failed to go off, they killed students randomly. Interestingly enough, Eric's friends described him as a sports enthusiast, and two of his best friends were Asian and African American.

Myth #4: The Columbine situation was a hostage standoff.

Truth: It is true that news reports initially treated the situation at Columbine as a hostage standoff, perhaps due to the fact that police officers did not enter the building until more than 40 minutes after the shooting began. But the Columbine killers never planned to hold hostages. Their goal was total destruction, not particular demands. It took three hours for the SWAT teams to find the killers (3:15 p.m.). They had been dead since 12:08, just forty-nine minutes after the attack began.

Myth #5. There were no warning signs that could have prevented the Columbine massacre.

Truth: Other parents had complained about Eric Harris, multiple times. Both Eric and Dylan had been arrested before. Thirteen months before the shooting, investigators discovered evidence that Eric was building pipe bombs. Dozens of pages of obscene threats on the internet were also documented. The sheriff's department covered up the initial evidence that signaled the threat.

Myth #6: Cassie Bernall was martyred for her faith in God.

Truth: According to the eyewitness under the table with her, Cassie was shot when Eric poked his shotgun under the table and said, "Peekaboo." The 911 tape verifies this testimony.

The martyr story arose from the testimony from another student in the library, Craig Scott (brother to victim, Rachel Scott), who recounted a conversation that took place across the room. Valeen Schnurr was the one who actually professed her faith in God, and this took place after she was shot. As she lay bleeding, she prayed, "Oh my God, don't let me die." Dylan turned around and asked her, "God? Do you believe in God?" Valeen said, "Yes, I believe in God." When the killer asked why, she replied, "Because it's how my parents raised me."

Myth #7: Columbine students and teachers were able to communicate with each other via cell phones.

Truth: Though some students were able to call newscasters, the teachers and students hiding in the school were unable to communicate due to the ear-piercing fire alarm that blared for hours. The sprinkler system flooded the cafeteria, and the fire alarm and strobe lighting caused difficulty in communications with the SWAT team. Much of the terror and confusion that day was caused by the nerve-wracking alarm system that interfered with communication.
 
2012-10-09 10:25:29 AM  
Dave Cullen's "Columbine" systematically debunked pretty much everything I thought I knew about Columbine. The media storyline was the bullied turning on those who had done the bullying, but it was actually a school bombing gone wrong (Eric and Dylan went in with guns after the bombs failed to go off), with a healthy dose of sociopath.

Seriously, it's a fantastic read if you get the chance.
 
2012-10-09 10:25:34 AM  
"The sheriff's department covered up the initial evidence that signaled the threat."

its_a_conspiracy.jpg
 
2012-10-09 10:26:14 AM  

Fart_Machine: Number 6 Myth is bullshait.


Hence "myth"?
 
2012-10-09 10:27:26 AM  
I was in high school when that happened. The media portrayed those two guys as being outsiders and angry social misfits. That caused every outsider and angry social misfit in school at the time, like me, to be scrutinized. I had to spend quite a bit of time convincing teachers and counsellors that I wasn't a threat to anyone. If this article is true, and they weren't even like that, well that's all just bullshiat. Kids like me just wanted to be invisible and get through school without getting hassled or picked on. I didn't want to go on a shooting spree or blow anyone up.
 
2012-10-09 10:28:47 AM  

GoldSpider: Fart_Machine: Number 6 Myth is bullshait.

Hence "myth"?


The blog is saying it's true. And myths aren't necessarily all bullshait.
 
2012-10-09 10:28:50 AM  

fireclown: is the marytering story really a thing? I missed that somehow.


Yeah, there was a book released by Cassie Bernall's parents that made all sorts of claims that she was murdered *because* she said she believed in God. I worked at a bookstore at the time (of the book's release), and people ate that stuff up.

I actually heard people get all choked up and exclaim that she was 'so lucky' and 'blessed' to be 'called by God' that way.

I got a bit ticked off at that. Had to go and shelve books in the Science Fiction section until I calmed down.
 
2012-10-09 10:29:20 AM  
Please...

The correct phrase is, "Michael Moore is not a creepy, dishonest opportunist".
 
2012-10-09 10:29:26 AM  

Crewmannumber6: Because that is not a myth, subby


The headline reads: "Michael Moore isNOT a creepy opportunist."

That is most certainly a myth. MM is a lying sack of shiat that has zero credibility.
 
2012-10-09 10:31:05 AM  
Clicks link. sees http://thegospelcoalition.org. Laughs. Because I've never heard any of these "myths".

Praise Jeebus!
 
2012-10-09 10:32:02 AM  

PirateKing: Had to go and shelve books in the Science Fiction section until I calmed down.


That section was probably more accurate than any of the claims that Bernall was a martyr.
 
2012-10-09 10:32:58 AM  
how about

"the kids didn't like marilyn manson music and didn't really have much to do with video games."

fark farkity fark fark. i remember when columbine went down and all anyone could do was try to point blame. Doom was why they did it. Marilyn Manson was why they did it. They were soooo bullied. And people wonder why no one believes in authority anymore because it seems that all the authorities can do is farking lie.
 
Ant
2012-10-09 10:33:52 AM  
That's the exact same book I was about to link to in this thread. Glad I RTFA first.
 
Ant
2012-10-09 10:36:30 AM  

JackieRabbit: Clicks link. sees http://thegospelcoalition.org. Laughs. Because I've never heard any of these "myths".

Praise Jeebus!


Surprisingly, this is not an example of a liars for Jesus link.
 
2012-10-09 10:36:55 AM  
So how does the idea that Columbine was a failed bombing and not a planned shooting change anything exactly?
 
2012-10-09 10:37:27 AM  

GoldSpider: "The sheriff's department covered up the initial evidence that signaled the threat."

its_a_conspiracy.jpg



Yeah, cover ups in the American criminal justice system are completely unheard of.
 
2012-10-09 10:37:47 AM  

JackieRabbit: Clicks link. sees http://thegospelcoalition.org. Laughs. Because I've never heard any of these "myths".

Praise Jeebus!


Where the hell were you when it happened? I heard all of those myths more than once and some of them many, many times. Or did you just dismiss it all as wrong because you saw "gospel" in the url?
 
2012-10-09 10:38:48 AM  

JackieRabbit: Clicks link. sees http://thegospelcoalition.org. Laughs. Because I've never heard any of these "myths" source doesn't confirm my preconceived biases, therefore all referenced material is invalid and my beliefs remain safe and unchallenged.

Praise Jeebus!


FTFY.
 
2012-10-09 10:38:50 AM  
images.politico.com

Sure, subby. Whatever you say. Moore was the creepy opportunist in that situation...
 
Ant
2012-10-09 10:38:59 AM  

sigdiamond2000: This actually sounds like a pretty fascinating book. I might have to buy it.


It's very good.
 
2012-10-09 10:40:54 AM  

taurusowner: How do this guy's claims have any more veracity than the "myths"? He just makes a list of 7 general ideas regarding Columbine in his blog and then write his own opposing views. Not sources, no quotes or evidence. Just his own views.


All 7 of these things were covered in a book called "why kids kill." Thats all he had to say, but just so you know there was no ass fact pulling like a presidential debate.
 
2012-10-09 10:41:02 AM  

Riotboy: Crazy white people with guns.


uncool. We've already covered crazy black folks with guns. it's called Baltimore.
 
2012-10-09 10:42:16 AM  

gunga galunga: Michael Moore is fat. He is very, very fat.

Your move, libs.


Big bones.
 
2012-10-09 10:42:18 AM  

sigdiamond2000: GoldSpider: "The sheriff's department covered up the initial evidence that signaled the threat."

its_a_conspiracy.jpg


Yeah, cover ups in the American criminal justice system are completely unheard of.


You don't believe someone in power, especially an elected political opportunist like a sheriff, would want to cover up evidence that showed they turned a blind eye to a threat that later cost people their lives? It's like, they have some sort of motivation to keep their job and perceived public credibility. Unpossible! that they would stoop so low!
 
Ant
2012-10-09 10:42:25 AM  

Fart_Machine: GoldSpider: Fart_Machine: Number 6 Myth is bullshait.

Hence "myth"?

The blog is saying it's true. And myths aren't necessarily all bullshait.


No they're not:
Myth #6: Cassie Bernall was martyred for her faith in God.

Truth: According to the eyewitness under the table with her, Cassie was shot when Eric poked his shotgun under the table and said, "Peekaboo." The 911 tape verifies this testimony.

The martyr story arose from the testimony from another student in the library, Craig Scott (brother to victim, Rachel Scott), who recounted a conversation that took place across the room. Valeen Schnurr was the one who actually professed her faith in God, and this took place after she was shot. As she lay bleeding, she prayed, "Oh my God, don't let me die." Dylan turned around and asked her, "God? Do you believe in God?" Valeen said, "Yes, I believe in God." When the killer asked why, she replied, "Because it's how my parents raised me."


Where are they saying the Cassie Bernall story was true?
 
2012-10-09 10:42:30 AM  

EyeballKid: [images.politico.com image 297x223]

Sure, subby. Whatever you say. Moore was the creepy opportunist in that situation...


There can be only one?

If someone else does it, it makes it ok?
 
2012-10-09 10:43:18 AM  

Callous: JackieRabbit: Clicks link. sees http://thegospelcoalition.org. Laughs. Because I've never heard any of these "myths".

Praise Jeebus!

Where the hell were you when it happened? I heard all of those myths more than once and some of them many, many times. Or did you just dismiss it all as wrong because you saw "gospel" in the url?


Getting the facts of what really happened and not listening to what stupid, emotional people thought or felt about what happened. That's where I was. If you think that some Christian blog is going to be objective, you're deluding yourself. They have an agenda and that's all they serve. Truth is irrelevant. Reason is futile.
 
2012-10-09 10:43:30 AM  
epguides.com
 
2012-10-09 10:44:07 AM  

bacongood: There can be only one?

If someone else does it, it makes it ok?


So, it's come to giving the "Both Sides Are Bad" to Columbine now?
 
2012-10-09 10:44:13 AM  

Fart_Machine: Number 6 Myth is bullshait.


Do you think she wouldn't have gotten shot if she had answered "No"?
 
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