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2012-10-09 02:15:19 PM  
Now if they isn't a fark off to the mayor, I think you are being disingenuous at best.
 
2012-10-09 02:16:03 PM  
sigh, you know what I mean... gah typos.
 
2012-10-09 02:18:46 PM  

GregoryD: rcuhljr: GregoryD:
So did everyone else. That is my point. Nobody thinks they are a part of the same speech, but it shows the coldness of the organization.

Did you read the linked speech? If you think that was a disrespectful or 'cold' speech your disingenuous at best. As a liberal atheist that was a damn well written speech and I agree strongly with it's core sentiments.

He linked the wrong speech by the way.

Charlton Heston's Speech at the annual NRA Convention

01 May, 1999

Denver, Colorado


(Editor's Note: The following remarks by NRA President Charlton Heston were transcribed by CNS from a RealVideo presentation of his speech before the NRA's national meeting in Denver, Colorado May 1.)

Thank you. Thank you very much. Good morning. I am very happy to welcome you to this abbreviated annual gathering of the National Rifle Association. Thank you all for coming and thank you for supporting your organization.

I also want to applaud your courage in coming here today. Or course, you have a right to be here. As you know, we've cancelled the festivities, the fellowship we normally enjoy at our annual gatherings. This decision has perplexed a few and inconvenienced thousands. As your president, I apologize for that.

But it's fitting and proper that we should do this. Because NRA members are, above all, Americans. That means that whatever our differences, we are respectful of one another and we stand united, especially in adversity.

I have a message from the mayor, Mr. Wellington Webb, the mayor of Denver. He sent me this and said don't come here, we don't want you here. I said to the mayor, well, my reply to the mayor is, I volunteered for the war they wanted me to attend when I was 18 years old. Since then, I've run small errands for my country, from Nigeria to Vietnam. I know many of you here in this room could say the same thing. But the mayor said don't come.

I'm sorry for that. I'm sorry for the newspaper ads saying the same thing, don't come here. This is ...


So you already knew that the "cold dead hand" line wasn't in there even though you claimed it was up thread.
 
2012-10-09 02:20:37 PM  

GregoryD: Now if they isn't a fark off to the mayor, I think you are being disingenuous at best.


No, telling them not to come was a fark off to members of his own community. That's what Heston was pointing out.
 
2012-10-09 02:22:03 PM  

Callous: GregoryD: rcuhljr: GregoryD:
So you already knew that the "cold dead hand" line wasn't in there even though you claimed it was up thread.


I never claimed it was a part of the same speech and I think it is insane for anyone to assume that it was part of the same speech.

It is blatantly obvious to anyone watching the film. The bravado of the organization when intercut with a grieving father and the speech shows how callous the organization is.
 
2012-10-09 02:22:25 PM  

Callous: GregoryD: Now if they isn't a fark off to the mayor, I think you are being disingenuous at best.

No, telling them not to come was a fark off to members of his own community. That's what Heston was pointing out.


So, basically, they both wanted each other to get farked.

*shrug*
 
2012-10-09 02:23:40 PM  
I just find it disgusting that the media still hides the fact that the two shooters were gay lovers. I guess they think it is better to hide the truth then to tell it as to not offend the special interests groups.
 
2012-10-09 02:24:34 PM  
And there's something wrong with this speech? He told the Mayor rightly (and politlely) to fark off. The Mayor made an inappropriate and uninformed request, and got called out for it. It's not some great slight to the 'people affected by the tragedy.' who quite frankly probably don't give two shiats about what's going on in Denver, and if they do their priorities are alarmingly out of whack.
 
2012-10-09 02:25:06 PM  

GregoryD: The bravado of the organization when intercut with a grieving father and the speech shows how callous the organization is.


So, you're saying that:

editing=truth

Neat.
 
2012-10-09 02:25:25 PM  

SkunkWerks: Callous: GregoryD: Now if they isn't a fark off to the mayor, I think you are being disingenuous at best.

No, telling them not to come was a fark off to members of his own community. That's what Heston was pointing out.

So, basically, they both wanted each other to get farked.

*shrug*


Yes, I'm sure they had to hold the meeting. Otherwise the NRA would have ceased to exist.

It was a blatant fark off, you can't do anything about it and a wussy cop out of an excuse that they "had" to have the silly meeting by law.
 
2012-10-09 02:27:58 PM  

GregoryD: Callous: GregoryD: rcuhljr: GregoryD:
So you already knew that the "cold dead hand" line wasn't in there even though you claimed it was up thread.

I never claimed it was a part of the same speech and I think it is insane for anyone to assume that it was part of the same speech.

It is blatantly obvious to anyone watching the film. The bravado of the organization when intercut with a grieving father and the speech shows how callous the organization is.


GregoryD: I've read the speech and it is exactly as it is depicted in a film. A giant fark off to the mayor and the people affected by the tragedy. It is far more embarrassing when Heston is intercut saying from his "cold dead hands" and a mourning father.


Liar. Two different speeches spliced together with no mention that they are 2 different speeches. I guess since Columbine happened no one should ever be passionate about defending their rights ever again? Lest you accuse them of bravado or MM deliberately lies about what that passion is in reference to. It was a year later and on the other end of the country. One had absolutely nothing to do with the other.
 
2012-10-09 02:27:59 PM  

SkunkWerks: GregoryD: The bravado of the organization when intercut with a grieving father and the speech shows how callous the organization is.

So, you're saying that:

editing=truth

Neat.


No I'm saying that Michael Moore didn't change the meaning, or the intention of the speech and he had a right to show how callous the organization is however he see fit. And any attempt to somehow say that a "cold dead hands" is somehow confusing to the viewer is just deflecting from the main point of the whole speech he gave.
 
2012-10-09 02:30:38 PM  

GregoryD: Yes, I'm sure they had to hold the meeting. Otherwise the NRA would have ceased to exist.


I'm sure that Charlton Heston's crazy is more powerful than fusion, and will be read by backround radiation satellites billions of years from now- sorta like the Big Bang is.
 
2012-10-09 02:32:15 PM  

GregoryD: No I'm saying that Michael Moore didn't change the meaning, or the intention of the speech and he had a right to show how callous the organization is however he see fit.


Maybe. Doesn't change the fact that Fox News does that sort of editing better, and far more frequently though.
 
2012-10-09 02:36:19 PM  

GregoryD: SkunkWerks: GregoryD: The bravado of the organization when intercut with a grieving father and the speech shows how callous the organization is.

So, you're saying that:

editing=truth

Neat.

No I'm saying that Michael Moore didn't change the meaning, or the intention of the speech and he had a right to show how callous the organization is however he see fit. And any attempt to somehow say that a "cold dead hands" is somehow confusing to the viewer is just deflecting from the main point of the whole speech he gave.


Ok, MM taint licker it is.
 
2012-10-09 02:37:09 PM  

SkunkWerks: GregoryD: No I'm saying that Michael Moore didn't change the meaning, or the intention of the speech and he had a right to show how callous the organization is however he see fit.

Maybe. Doesn't change the fact that Fox News does that sort of editing better, and far more frequently though.


I think in text it seems far more dubious then it is. Watch the scene again. It is blatantly obvious the "cold dead hands" isn't the same speech and it is disingenuous to claim that it is meant to be.

It is just a small nitpick in an overall excellent film.
 
2012-10-09 02:41:24 PM  

GregoryD: SkunkWerks: GregoryD: No I'm saying that Michael Moore didn't change the meaning, or the intention of the speech and he had a right to show how callous the organization is however he see fit.

Maybe. Doesn't change the fact that Fox News does that sort of editing better, and far more frequently though.

I think in text it seems far more dubious then it is. Watch the scene again. It is blatantly obvious the "cold dead hands" isn't the same speech and it is disingenuous to claim that it is meant to be.

It is just a small nitpick in an overall excellent film.


I like Bowling for Columbine, for the most part. But I don't mind admitting that film-makers often use editing where cold hard facts won't quite get the job done. Michael Moore is no exception to that.

Biasing the end product is inevitable when you begin with a clear agenda- as Moore generally does with his films. That said, Heston was still 80 lbs of crazy in a 40lb sack.
 
2012-10-09 02:53:18 PM  
hiat_that_shiat Dave Cullen's "Columbine"

Weird book, guy seems to have a mancrush on Eric & Dylan. Cullen's bias against the area churches & esp Rachel Scott in particular was flat out creepy. That said, Columbine's D.A.R.E. cop was probably the most worthless guy in the History Of Law Enforcement

brigid_fitch Administrators were ridiculous before Columbine but went to a whole other level afterwards. The biggest shame of it all is that they STILL haven't come back down to pre-Columbine levels.

Nowadays you're just lucky 2 e a teacher w/a gig

fireclown uncool. We've already covered crazy black folks with guns. it's called Baltimore.

FARKjudges would also accept 'Detroit', 'Houston', 'D.C., or 'Philly'
 
2012-10-09 03:03:03 PM  
Still a lot of butthurt for a 10 year old movie where the principle plot seems to revolve around walking around with a microphone and asking people why they think we have a problem with gun violence. Which, by the way, is not debatable when you look at the statistics. Whether he provides them or someone else does.

Funny how a simple question can make people flip the fark out. Well done Mr Moore. Well done.
 
2012-10-09 03:14:58 PM  

FlyingJ: FARKjudges would also accept 'Detroit', 'Houston', 'D.C., or 'Philly'


I would have thought Houston was crazy latinos with guns. Shows what I know.
 
2012-10-09 03:18:52 PM  
fireclown I would have thought Houston was crazy latinos with guns. Shows what I know.

Well, Katrina made it a surefire winner
 
2012-10-09 03:19:34 PM  

FlyingJ: FARKjudges would also accept 'Detroit', 'Houston', 'D.C., or 'Philly'


FALSE

It goes something like this (violent crimes per 1,000 residents)*

Detroit - 21.37
Memphis - 15.83
Baltimore - 14.17
Philadelphia - 11.93
Washington DC - 11.3
Houston - 9.75

*Chicago doesn't have all the data, but I'm certain it would be in the Top 5.
 
2012-10-09 03:21:09 PM  

FlyingJ: fireclown I would have thought Houston was crazy latinos with guns. Shows what I know.

Well, Katrina made it a surefire winner


I agree with this.

Don't forget that Hurricane Isaac brought a fresh wave of shiat to Houston from Nawlins.
 
2012-10-09 03:21:17 PM  
What a waste of bandwidth...

Subby, you owe me 1m37s of wasted life clicking on that link.
 
2012-10-09 03:44:24 PM  

cgraves67: I was in high school when that happened. The media portrayed those two guys as being outsiders and angry social misfits. That caused every outsider and angry social misfit in school at the time, like me, to be scrutinized. I had to spend quite a bit of time convincing teachers and counsellors that I wasn't a threat to anyone. If this article is true, and they weren't even like that, well that's all just bullshiat. Kids like me just wanted to be invisible and get through school without getting hassled or picked on. I didn't want to go on a shooting spree or blow anyone up.


I kinda used it to my advantage, given I was a few years after that I think.

On the bus the upperclassmen always picked on the freshmen and made them sit in the front of the bus. I usually was the farthest back and therefore got the most abuse.

One day I turned around and calmly looked at the kids behind me who were kicking my seat and whatnot and said "you know, those kids who shot up Columbine were a lot like me..."

And I never got hassled again.
 
2012-10-09 03:47:31 PM  
You know what woulda been kinda funny? If they went into the school after the bomb didn't go off, then the bomb did go off and killed them. Like in the movies or whatever.
 
2012-10-09 04:34:52 PM  
You know, this info would have been REAL handy back in '99 when my best friend (who wore a trench coat ALL the time and was a straight-A student) got suspended after Columbine because she wore a damn trenchcoat!

/farking Livingston Parish school system!
 
2012-10-09 04:39:57 PM  

GregoryD: SkunkWerks: Callous: GregoryD: Now if they isn't a fark off to the mayor, I think you are being disingenuous at best.

No, telling them not to come was a fark off to members of his own community. That's what Heston was pointing out.

So, basically, they both wanted each other to get farked.

*shrug*

Yes, I'm sure they had to hold the meeting. Otherwise the NRA would have ceased to exist.

It was a blatant fark off, you can't do anything about it and a wussy cop out of an excuse that they "had" to have the silly meeting by law.


New York corporate law states that to move the annual meeting, you must notify board members and share-holders (if applicable) no more than 50 days in advance, and no less than 10 days in advance. That they cancelled everything but the legally-mandated meeting shows that it wasn't a "blatant fark off."
 
2012-10-09 04:55:24 PM  

give me doughnuts: GregoryD: SkunkWerks: Callous: GregoryD: Now if they isn't a fark off to the mayor, I think you are being disingenuous at best.

No, telling them not to come was a fark off to members of his own community. That's what Heston was pointing out.

So, basically, they both wanted each other to get farked.

*shrug*

Yes, I'm sure they had to hold the meeting. Otherwise the NRA would have ceased to exist.

It was a blatant fark off, you can't do anything about it and a wussy cop out of an excuse that they "had" to have the silly meeting by law.

New York corporate law states that to move the annual meeting, you must notify board members and share-holders (if applicable) no more than 50 days in advance, and no less than 10 days in advance. That they cancelled everything but the legally-mandated meeting shows that it wasn't a "blatant fark off."


Yes, the NRA would have been disbanded and the entire board would have been thrown in jail for 10 years, for not holding a meeting.
 
2012-10-09 05:04:10 PM  

karmaceutical: So how does the idea that Columbine was a failed bombing and not a planned shooting change anything exactly?


Because they were not targeting the jocks who supposedly bullied them, as has been the story. They were equal opportunity killers who didn't care who they killed. They were going for high score, not vengeance.

/read this
//great book
 
2012-10-09 05:05:38 PM  

ShannonKW: I watched the Michael Moore video about Columbine some months ago (via YouTube) mainly to take a sounding of the guy. I'd heard of him for years, but never read or saw any of his stuff.

I was left as mystified as I was to begin with. Something in his smarmy bearing gave me a strong intuition that he was suggesting stuff that he didn't believe. He didn't strike me as stupid; he seemed like a smart man (though not as smart as he thinks he is) trying to dupe stupid people. I wondered (and still do) what the film was supposed to be. It fails as a documentary as its presentation of facts wouldn't pass muster with any educated person, even one who shares some of Moore's views, as I do. The film has some funny moments, but not enough to pass as comedy, and I was in some doubt that I was supposed to be laughing at any of it. Gonzo journalism would need a more charismatic journalist, somebody you want to see in the action, though perhaps there are people who admire him enough to want to see his exploits. He rather repelled me though. He came across snotty, boyish and vain, like Andy Rooney reincarnated as Paris Hilton's ugly kid brother.

My best guess is that he is aiming -- and failing -- at being something like a Left-aligned counterpart of Rush Limbaugh or P. J. O'Roarke, a shyster who can sling around his political theories and opinions with reckless abandon and be admired for his insight by his sympathizers, but who is always prepared to throw up his hands and say, "Only joking!" if he's called on any of it.


One of the things that really caught me was his implication that the NRA was formed as a response to free blacks moving north and causing trouble. One of the NRA's big programs at the time was trying to start chapters among the freed slaves so they could learn to use the weapons and defend themselves from the Klan.
 
2012-10-09 05:19:05 PM  

Bullseyed: cgraves67: I was in high school when that happened. The media portrayed those two guys as being outsiders and angry social misfits. That caused every outsider and angry social misfit in school at the time, like me, to be scrutinized. I had to spend quite a bit of time convincing teachers and counsellors that I wasn't a threat to anyone. If this article is true, and they weren't even like that, well that's all just bullshiat. Kids like me just wanted to be invisible and get through school without getting hassled or picked on. I didn't want to go on a shooting spree or blow anyone up.

I kinda used it to my advantage, given I was a few years after that I think.

On the bus the upperclassmen always picked on the freshmen and made them sit in the front of the bus. I usually was the farthest back and therefore got the most abuse.

One day I turned around and calmly looked at the kids behind me who were kicking my seat and whatnot and said "you know, those kids who shot up Columbine were a lot like me..."

And I never got hassled again.


You are very lucky you didn't get expelled and put on a 72 hr psych hold for that comment. Kids have been for less.
 
2012-10-09 07:11:01 PM  
"Michael Moore NRA is not a creepy opportunist" somehow missing

There, FTFY
 
2012-10-09 07:17:06 PM  

GregoryD: Dimensio: EyeballKid: super_grass: That Michael Moore narrative has been debunked so many times it's not even worth it for him to spend the effort to prove it wrong yet again.

I'm sorry, what part aren't you able to believe? Was there not an NRA rally in Colorado days after the Columbine shooting? Was the NRA not doing one of its fundraisers under its effective, yet deceptive, theme of "the gubmint's tryin' to take yer guns?" Please, please, I beg you, set a fool such as I straight as to how the NRA handed out bandages to the survivors and held prayer vigils outside the school.

Please explain why you believe that the National Rifle Association should have violated New York state law.

Because meetings can be rescheduled and it was a giant figurative "fark you" to the mayor just as Michael Moore depicted in the film.


They had to have a meeting with voting members, which takes months of planning so that people, most of whom were just working joes, could plan for it. It wasn't something as simple as rescheduling a meeting at the office. Rescheduling was simply not feasible. They cancelled just about everything else.

As for using Moore as a citation, I'd ask you if you are really that stupid, but I don't think you'd understand the question.
 
2012-10-09 07:21:25 PM  

GregoryD: SkunkWerks: GregoryD: The bravado of the organization when intercut with a grieving father and the speech shows how callous the organization is.

So, you're saying that:

editing=truth

Neat.

No I'm saying that Michael Moore didn't change the meaning, or the intention of the speech and he had a right to show how callous the organization is however he see fit. And any attempt to somehow say that a "cold dead hands" is somehow confusing to the viewer is just deflecting from the main point of the whole speech he gave.


Moore spliced two difference speeches, made in two entirely different years, at two entirely different locations, and tried to pass it off as the Denver speech. Moore is a master of propaganda that would make Goebbels proud. And you not only fell for it, you will continue to defend it as the truth rather than admit you were gullible.
 
2012-10-09 07:29:01 PM  
Some of you dumbasses need to improve upon your reading comprehension.
 
2012-10-09 07:48:13 PM  

OgreMagi: GregoryD: SkunkWerks: GregoryD: The bravado of the organization when intercut with a grieving father and the speech shows how callous the organization is.

So, you're saying that:

editing=truth

Neat.

No I'm saying that Michael Moore didn't change the meaning, or the intention of the speech and he had a right to show how callous the organization is however he see fit. And any attempt to somehow say that a "cold dead hands" is somehow confusing to the viewer is just deflecting from the main point of the whole speech he gave.

Moore spliced two difference speeches, made in two entirely different years, at two entirely different locations, and tried to pass it off as the Denver speech. Moore is a master of propaganda that would make Goebbels proud. And you not only fell for it, you will continue to defend it as the truth rather than admit you were gullible.


A 10 second introduction to Heston completely invalidates the rest of the movie. Especially a 10 second introduction that was played repeatedly for several years after. It was only the rally cry and the mantra for the NRA that was printed on t-shirts for christ sake.

I invite anyone to watch the actual movie and see for yourself how stupid this argument is.

People are upset that Moore made a great film and they have to discredit it because it makes credible arguments against things they believe in.
 
2012-10-09 07:49:20 PM  
Especially a 10 second introduction that was played repeatedly for several years after every time the NRA was mentioned.*
 
2012-10-09 07:55:31 PM  

GregoryD: OgreMagi: GregoryD: SkunkWerks: GregoryD: The bravado of the organization when intercut with a grieving father and the speech shows how callous the organization is.

So, you're saying that:

editing=truth

Neat.

No I'm saying that Michael Moore didn't change the meaning, or the intention of the speech and he had a right to show how callous the organization is however he see fit. And any attempt to somehow say that a "cold dead hands" is somehow confusing to the viewer is just deflecting from the main point of the whole speech he gave.

Moore spliced two difference speeches, made in two entirely different years, at two entirely different locations, and tried to pass it off as the Denver speech. Moore is a master of propaganda that would make Goebbels proud. And you not only fell for it, you will continue to defend it as the truth rather than admit you were gullible.

A 10 second introduction to Heston completely invalidates the rest of the movie. Especially a 10 second introduction that was played repeatedly for several years after. It was only the rally cry and the mantra for the NRA that was printed on t-shirts for christ sake.

I invite anyone to watch the actual movie and see for yourself how stupid this argument is.

People are upset that Moore made a great film and they have to discredit it because it makes credible arguments against things they believe in.


Yep. I called it. You are either incapable of recognizing that you fell for some fancy editing because you suffer from severe head trauma, or you dream of being butt-farked by Michael Moore.

Let me repeat this slowly for you. THE. SPEECH. IN. MOORE'S. FILM. IS. A. LIE.
 
2012-10-09 08:08:27 PM  

OgreMagi: GregoryD: OgreMagi: GregoryD: SkunkWerks: GregoryD: The bravado of the organization when intercut with a grieving father and the speech shows how callous the organization is.

So, you're saying that:

editing=truth

Neat.

No I'm saying that Michael Moore didn't change the meaning, or the intention of the speech and he had a right to show how callous the organization is however he see fit. And any attempt to somehow say that a "cold dead hands" is somehow confusing to the viewer is just deflecting from the main point of the whole speech he gave.

Moore spliced two difference speeches, made in two entirely different years, at two entirely different locations, and tried to pass it off as the Denver speech. Moore is a master of propaganda that would make Goebbels proud. And you not only fell for it, you will continue to defend it as the truth rather than admit you were gullible.

A 10 second introduction to Heston completely invalidates the rest of the movie. Especially a 10 second introduction that was played repeatedly for several years after. It was only the rally cry and the mantra for the NRA that was printed on t-shirts for christ sake.

I invite anyone to watch the actual movie and see for yourself how stupid this argument is.

People are upset that Moore made a great film and they have to discredit it because it makes credible arguments against things they believe in.

Yep. I called it. You are either incapable of recognizing that you fell for some fancy editing because you suffer from severe head trauma, or you dream of being butt-farked by Michael Moore.

Let me repeat this slowly for you. THE. SPEECH. IN. MOORE'S. FILM. IS. A. LIE.


Except it isn't. Sorry.
 
2012-10-09 08:11:29 PM  

GregoryD: OgreMagi: GregoryD: OgreMagi: GregoryD: SkunkWerks: GregoryD: The bravado of the organization when intercut with a grieving father and the speech shows how callous the organization is.

So, you're saying that:

editing=truth

Neat.

No I'm saying that Michael Moore didn't change the meaning, or the intention of the speech and he had a right to show how callous the organization is however he see fit. And any attempt to somehow say that a "cold dead hands" is somehow confusing to the viewer is just deflecting from the main point of the whole speech he gave.

Moore spliced two difference speeches, made in two entirely different years, at two entirely different locations, and tried to pass it off as the Denver speech. Moore is a master of propaganda that would make Goebbels proud. And you not only fell for it, you will continue to defend it as the truth rather than admit you were gullible.

A 10 second introduction to Heston completely invalidates the rest of the movie. Especially a 10 second introduction that was played repeatedly for several years after. It was only the rally cry and the mantra for the NRA that was printed on t-shirts for christ sake.

I invite anyone to watch the actual movie and see for yourself how stupid this argument is.

People are upset that Moore made a great film and they have to discredit it because it makes credible arguments against things they believe in.

Yep. I called it. You are either incapable of recognizing that you fell for some fancy editing because you suffer from severe head trauma, or you dream of being butt-farked by Michael Moore.

Let me repeat this slowly for you. THE. SPEECH. IN. MOORE'S. FILM. IS. A. LIE.

Except it isn't. Sorry.


I'm adding you to my ignore list with the note, "Michael Moore's butt boy". You are the personification of "in denial".
 
2012-10-09 08:21:12 PM  
I thought Bowling for Columbine was pretty compelling, as it was. So fark you subtard.
 
2012-10-09 08:21:21 PM  

GregoryD: OgreMagi: GregoryD: OgreMagi: GregoryD: SkunkWerks: GregoryD: The bravado of the organization when intercut with a grieving father and the speech shows how callous the organization is.

So, you're saying that:

editing=truth

Neat.

No I'm saying that Michael Moore didn't change the meaning, or the intention of the speech and he had a right to show how callous the organization is however he see fit. And any attempt to somehow say that a "cold dead hands" is somehow confusing to the viewer is just deflecting from the main point of the whole speech he gave.

Moore spliced two difference speeches, made in two entirely different years, at two entirely different locations, and tried to pass it off as the Denver speech. Moore is a master of propaganda that would make Goebbels proud. And you not only fell for it, you will continue to defend it as the truth rather than admit you were gullible.

A 10 second introduction to Heston completely invalidates the rest of the movie. Especially a 10 second introduction that was played repeatedly for several years after. It was only the rally cry and the mantra for the NRA that was printed on t-shirts for christ sake.

I invite anyone to watch the actual movie and see for yourself how stupid this argument is.

People are upset that Moore made a great film and they have to discredit it because it makes credible arguments against things they believe in.

Yep. I called it. You are either incapable of recognizing that you fell for some fancy editing because you suffer from severe head trauma, or you dream of being butt-farked by Michael Moore.

Let me repeat this slowly for you. THE. SPEECH. IN. MOORE'S. FILM. IS. A. LIE.

Except it isn't. Sorry.


You're a moron.
 
2012-10-09 08:38:47 PM  

Ant: Fart_Machine: GoldSpider: Fart_Machine: Number 6 Myth is bullshait.

Hence "myth"?

The blog is saying it's true. And myths aren't necessarily all bullshait.

No they're not:
Myth #6: Cassie Bernall was martyred for her faith in God.

Truth: According to the eyewitness under the table with her, Cassie was shot when Eric poked his shotgun under the table and said, "Peekaboo." The 911 tape verifies this testimony.

The martyr story arose from the testimony from another student in the library, Craig Scott (brother to victim, Rachel Scott), who recounted a conversation that took place across the room. Valeen Schnurr was the one who actually professed her faith in God, and this took place after she was shot. As she lay bleeding, she prayed, "Oh my God, don't let me die." Dylan turned around and asked her, "God? Do you believe in God?" Valeen said, "Yes, I believe in God." When the killer asked why, she replied, "Because it's how my parents raised me."

Where are they saying the Cassie Bernall story was true?


NO, they were saying where the myth came from.
 
2012-10-09 08:45:06 PM  
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AZix8_7f_lY
 
2012-10-09 09:09:01 PM  
I don't know if anyone has pointed this out but Michael Moore is fat.

Also he hates America and might not support the troops.

/out yourself trollmitter
 
2012-10-09 09:11:31 PM  

SkunkWerks: GregoryD: The bravado of the organization when intercut with a grieving father and the speech shows how callous the organization is.

So, you're saying that:

editing=truth

Neat.


Clearly he's been in Room 101
 
2012-10-09 09:17:15 PM  

GregoryD: give me doughnuts: GregoryD: SkunkWerks: Callous: GregoryD: Now if they isn't a fark off to the mayor, I think you are being disingenuous at best.

No, telling them not to come was a fark off to members of his own community. That's what Heston was pointing out.

So, basically, they both wanted each other to get farked.

*shrug*

Yes, I'm sure they had to hold the meeting. Otherwise the NRA would have ceased to exist.

It was a blatant fark off, you can't do anything about it and a wussy cop out of an excuse that they "had" to have the silly meeting by law.

New York corporate law states that to move the annual meeting, you must notify board members and share-holders (if applicable) no more than 50 days in advance, and no less than 10 days in advance. That they cancelled everything but the legally-mandated meeting shows that it wasn't a "blatant fark off."

Yes, the NRA would have been disbanded and the entire board would have been thrown in jail for 10 years, for not holding a meeting.


This thread indicates that you are a simpleton.
 
2012-10-09 09:19:13 PM  

give me doughnuts: Fart_Machine: Number 6 Myth is bullshait.

Do you think she wouldn't have gotten shot if she had answered "No"?


I thought she was shot before they asked her.

And then when they heard her saying stuff like "Oh God, don't let me die", *then* they asked her.

She said yes and they shot her again.

/I really don't think her answer mattered, they were probably going to shoot her again anyway regardless.
 
2012-10-09 09:27:20 PM  

GregoryD: People are upset that Moore made a great film and they have to discredit it because it makes credible arguments against things they believe in.


Ah yes. I, too, remember 2004.
 
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