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2012-10-09 10:05:46 AM
This seems like something SNL or TDS would do. I don't really like it for an actual campaign spot.

Critics or undecideds would probably just see it as unpresidential (and, no doubt, he will be attacked on Fox and by Romney in that light)
Supporters will chuckle and brush it aside as overall pointless.

I'd much rather him spend the time contrasting what he's said in speeches with everything he disavowed in the debates.
 
2012-10-09 10:06:05 AM

Cletus C.: Did Obama have to buy the rights to use Big Bird in that commercial?


ABQGOD: I'm surprised that PBS and Sesame Workshop allowed them the rights to make that commercial.


I see the talking points are out. Try to spread out your posts a bit more next time so it's not as obvious.
 
2012-10-09 10:06:37 AM

Debeo Summa Credo: CPennypacker: HAMMERTOE: Haha.

Refresh my memory, please- Who was it that bailed out Wall Street, without instituting any checks and balances whatsoever? Yet, it's Romney who will let them "run rampant".

Riiiiiight.

I don't know what Obama supposedly "nailed", but he'd better give his dick a quick sniff.

That would be Bush

To his credit. And to Obama and bidens credit, they voted for the "bail out" too, unlike many GOPers in congress who would have let the world burn.


Letting the world burn seems to be a theme with them.
 
2012-10-09 10:08:50 AM

GoldSpider: eldritch2k4: So, it's meant to run on The Daily Show and Colbert. It's supposed to sound bratty.

That's money well spent, because viewers of those shows aren't already decided.


Actually, the viewers of those shows are typically liberals who think that Democrats don't play dirty enough and threaten to vote Green Party. Also, young voters. This could actually help.
 
2012-10-09 10:08:56 AM

cameroncrazy1984: Cletus C.: Did Obama have to buy the rights to use Big Bird in that commercial?

ABQGOD: I'm surprised that PBS and Sesame Workshop allowed them the rights to make that commercial.

I see the talking points are out. Try to spread out your posts a bit more next time so it's not as obvious.


It's a legitimate question. Images are protected, trademarked property. It's like when a Republican candidate uses some lefty musician's song at a campaign rally and the ensuing hissy fit, only more serious.

Big Bird is big money. Care to answer the question?
 
2012-10-09 10:09:20 AM
Key to understanding Romney's position with respect to public broadcasting is that he believes it will survive the cuts. Certainly it would have to adapt to not getting government funding, but given how little of its funding comes from the government as-is, he believes it is robust enough make that transition successfully, and that since it can, it should.
 
2012-10-09 10:09:22 AM

HAMMERTOE: Haha.

Refresh my memory, please- Who was it that bailed out Wall Street, without instituting any checks and balances whatsoever? Yet, it's Romney who will let them "run rampant".

Riiiiiight.

I don't know what Obama supposedly "nailed", but he'd better give his dick a quick sniff.



Hammertoe,

The Troubled Asset Relief Program (TARP) or "Wall Street Bailout" was passed and signed into law on October 3, 2008. Two and a half months before Obama was inaugurated, you dolt!

Damn that Obama and his magical time machine, striking once again - implementing the Wall Street Bailout before he even took office so he could conveniently place the blame for any of it's failings on his predecessor George W. Bush.
 
2012-10-09 10:09:49 AM

FlashHarry: jaysus. of all the things he lied about, they pick this? democrats always pull this cutesy bullshiat, and it never farking works. grow some balls; call him on his lies. the 5 trillion tax cut that he won't say how he'll pay for. turning medicare into a voucher program. i'm sick of this motherfarking amateur-hour bullshiat.


He's got more then one add out, you know.

lawboy87: Why do I get the feeling that Romney is going to find himself "trumped" after the next debate.


In that following the debate, after Romney is certain to have criticized how Obama is handling the aftermath of Libya, it will be announced that the leaders of the attack have been identified and killed and that the Libyan government is praising the "partnership" with the USA in bringing these folks to justice.


Romney: "Obama lets Syria bomb Turkey, our close NATO ally and does nothing."
Obama: "Something something presidential something something."

After the debate: Press conference detailing how ten minutes before Romney opened his trap, the US and NATO had 200 planes in Syrian air space getting all bombie and stuff.
 
2012-10-09 10:10:50 AM
I've jabbed my Rightwingistani friends about Big Bird a few times since the debate. Strangely, they didn't appreciate it very much.

Heh heh...
 
2012-10-09 10:12:08 AM

Cletus C.: cameroncrazy1984: Cletus C.: Did Obama have to buy the rights to use Big Bird in that commercial?

ABQGOD: I'm surprised that PBS and Sesame Workshop allowed them the rights to make that commercial.

I see the talking points are out. Try to spread out your posts a bit more next time so it's not as obvious.

It's a legitimate question. Images are protected, trademarked property. It's like when a Republican candidate uses some lefty musician's song at a campaign rally and the ensuing hissy fit, only more serious.

Big Bird is big money. Care to answer the question?


Actually, Big Bird falls under copyright law, not trademark law. So do songs. There's no requirement to actively defend one's own copyright, the way one must with trademarks. The actual Sesame Street logo would fall under trademark law, but I don't think they used that, so PBS/Sesame Workshop don't have to complain if they don't want to.
 
2012-10-09 10:14:25 AM

dittybopper: Last year, my pals on Sesame Street and I raked in 84 million dollars. Fully half of that was in merchandising alone.

We are the 1%.


Which doesn't cover all the operating expenses of a television show.
 
2012-10-09 10:14:36 AM

cameroncrazy1984: Cletus C.: Did Obama have to buy the rights to use Big Bird in that commercial?

ABQGOD: I'm surprised that PBS and Sesame Workshop allowed them the rights to make that commercial.

I see the talking points are out. Try to spread out your posts a bit more next time so it's not as obvious.


First off, it's called a simulpost, dumbass; I don't know "Cletus C." and we're not working together. Secondly, talking point? I was just making a snarky comment/question regarding how much it costs to use Big Bird in a promotional way - not a political statement about the choice of using Big Bird.

But if you want to talk talking points, then please feel free to explain why there is already a GOP response to this ad, but this article (and thread) are not making any mention of it. And before you answer, note that I'm on your side, but clearly I'm far less myopic then you.
 
2012-10-09 10:18:23 AM

Cletus C.: cameroncrazy1984: Cletus C.: Did Obama have to buy the rights to use Big Bird in that commercial?

ABQGOD: I'm surprised that PBS and Sesame Workshop allowed them the rights to make that commercial.

I see the talking points are out. Try to spread out your posts a bit more next time so it's not as obvious.

It's a legitimate question. Images are protected, trademarked property. It's like when a Republican candidate uses some lefty musician's song at a campaign rally and the ensuing hissy fit, only more serious.

Big Bird is big money. Care to answer the question?


Hm... a Republican candidate portrays a song in a manner completely different from its intended use and running against the beliefs of the creators of the song, often overruled by the corporations who license that song and giving the actual creators no legal recourse...

or a Democratic candidate portrays a character as that character targeted by his opponent in a factually accurate manner.

Yeah, clearly this is the bigger deal. Nice to know the talking points are out.
 
2012-10-09 10:19:57 AM

Millennium: Cletus C.: cameroncrazy1984: Cletus C.: Did Obama have to buy the rights to use Big Bird in that commercial?

ABQGOD: I'm surprised that PBS and Sesame Workshop allowed them the rights to make that commercial.

I see the talking points are out. Try to spread out your posts a bit more next time so it's not as obvious.

It's a legitimate question. Images are protected, trademarked property. It's like when a Republican candidate uses some lefty musician's song at a campaign rally and the ensuing hissy fit, only more serious.

Big Bird is big money. Care to answer the question?

Actually, Big Bird falls under copyright law, not trademark law. So do songs. There's no requirement to actively defend one's own copyright, the way one must with trademarks. The actual Sesame Street logo would fall under trademark law, but I don't think they used that, so PBS/Sesame Workshop don't have to complain if they don't want to.


Thank you for addressing the question.

So, it's tacit permission unless a company chooses to defend its copyright? It seems the Obama campaign would expose itself to uncomfortable publicity if it didn't have prior permission to use the image and Sesame Workshop pushed the issue.

Which returns to my original question about whether they had that permission.
 
2012-10-09 10:21:32 AM

HAMMERTOE: I don't know what Obama supposedly "nailed"


Your mom?
 
2012-10-09 10:23:56 AM
LET THE WORLD BURN!
 
2012-10-09 10:24:15 AM

MyRandomName: FlashHarry: jaysus. of all the things he lied about, they pick this? democrats always pull this cutesy bullshiat, and it never farking works. grow some balls; call him on his lies. the 5 trillion tax cut that he won't say how he'll pay for. turning medicare into a voucher program. i'm sick of this motherfarking amateur-hour bullshiat.

Still going with the Obama lie about 5 trillion, huh? The tax policy centw r already walked back their initial estimate by more than half due to American enterprise institute pointing out one of numerous flaws. So even if you believe tpc is the only economic analysts out there, you and Obama are repeating a stance they already backed off from. Other policy groups have already shown how Romney and his plan work multiple times. The tpc report was full of failed assumptions Romney never made. But keep being an Obama mouthpiece for lies, it is what fark expects from you.


This is where you are 100% wrong. No,the TPC has NOT, in any way, backed off of it's analysis. Why do you people keep repeating this crap?
 
2012-10-09 10:24:55 AM
For the next person who says PBS recoup everything in advertising please read this.
 
2012-10-09 10:25:28 AM

GoldSpider: eldritch2k4: So, it's meant to run on The Daily Show and Colbert. It's supposed to sound bratty.

That's money well spent, because viewers of those shows aren't already decided.


they may have already decided, but they probably haven't already voted.
 
2012-10-09 10:25:41 AM

Cletus C.: Which returns to my original question about whether they had that permission.


Fark definitely needs a "silly" button beside "funny" and "smart".

The GOP candidate for POTUS called for the death of Big Bird in front of millions.

Why for the love all things shiny would CWS and SS not give permission considering the circumstances?
 
2012-10-09 10:28:28 AM

JerseyTim: Too snarky. It doesn't strike the right tone. A straightforward "Mitt Romney will let Wall Street run rampant, but he'll crack down on Sesame Street" would have been more effective. This comes off kinda bratty.


You expected more? This is everything the Libs have left. They've tried to brand Romney a liar, a cheat, a thief, an animal torturer, and a murderer. Nothing has stuck.

Poor whittle whibs.
 
2012-10-09 10:28:44 AM
Just another case of Romney thinking small. How is deleting the subsidy of PBS at half a billion equal to increasing the military by 100 billion?

People are going to suffer because Romney loves his Haliburton stock
 
2012-10-09 10:29:34 AM

Cletus C.: So, it's tacit permission unless a company chooses to defend its copyright? It seems the Obama campaign would expose itself to uncomfortable publicity if it didn't have prior permission to use the image and Sesame Workshop pushed the issue.


Not so much "tacit permission" as that the copyright holder has the option of looking the other way (unlike a trademark holder, who doesn't).

Which returns to my original question about whether they had that permission.

Few politicians have ever considered that a major risk: at worst you pay a fee or pull the ad, say a couple of mea culpas, and the whole thing blows over. PBS and Sesame Workshop have an interest in the concept that they'll die if government funding is pulled, so they're not likely to complain.
 
2012-10-09 10:30:13 AM

Cletus C.: So, it's tacit permission unless a company chooses to defend its copyright? It seems the Obama campaign would expose itself to uncomfortable publicity if it didn't have prior permission to use the image and Sesame Workshop pushed the issue.

Which returns to my original question about whether they had that permission.


OOOOOOOOOR, they said, "They're trying to badmouth a guy who will defund us? Yeah, we're cool with this."

They don't need to give their blessing. They just need to let it lay. As the creators and intellectual property owners, that's their right.
 
2012-10-09 10:30:24 AM

Cletus C.: Millennium: Cletus C.: cameroncrazy1984: Cletus C.: Did Obama have to buy the rights to use Big Bird in that commercial?

ABQGOD: I'm surprised that PBS and Sesame Workshop allowed them the rights to make that commercial.

I see the talking points are out. Try to spread out your posts a bit more next time so it's not as obvious.

It's a legitimate question. Images are protected, trademarked property. It's like when a Republican candidate uses some lefty musician's song at a campaign rally and the ensuing hissy fit, only more serious.

Big Bird is big money. Care to answer the question?

Actually, Big Bird falls under copyright law, not trademark law. So do songs. There's no requirement to actively defend one's own copyright, the way one must with trademarks. The actual Sesame Street logo would fall under trademark law, but I don't think they used that, so PBS/Sesame Workshop don't have to complain if they don't want to.

Thank you for addressing the question.

So, it's tacit permission unless a company chooses to defend its copyright? It seems the Obama campaign would expose itself to uncomfortable publicity if it didn't have prior permission to use the image and Sesame Workshop pushed the issue.

Which returns to my original question about whether they had that permission.


Ever get the feeling you've white-knighted a little too far?
 
2012-10-09 10:31:44 AM

Sm3agol85: MyRandomName: FlashHarry: jaysus. of all the things he lied about, they pick this? democrats always pull this cutesy bullshiat, and it never farking works. grow some balls; call him on his lies. the 5 trillion tax cut that he won't say how he'll pay for. turning medicare into a voucher program. i'm sick of this motherfarking amateur-hour bullshiat.

Still going with the Obama lie about 5 trillion, huh? The tax policy centw r already walked back their initial estimate by more than half due to American enterprise institute pointing out one of numerous flaws. So even if you believe tpc is the only economic analysts out there, you and Obama are repeating a stance they already backed off from. Other policy groups have already shown how Romney and his plan work multiple times. The tpc report was full of failed assumptions Romney never made. But keep being an Obama mouthpiece for lies, it is what fark expects from you.

This is where you are 100% wrong. No,the TPC has NOT, in any way, backed off of it's analysis. Why do you people keep repeating this crap?


Because in this day and age lies are just as acceptable as the truth.
 
2012-10-09 10:32:00 AM

quatchi: Cletus C.: Which returns to my original question about whether they had that permission.

Fark definitely needs a "silly" button beside "funny" and "smart".

The GOP candidate for POTUS called for the death of Big Bird in front of millions.

Why for the love all things shiny would CWS and SS not give permission considering the circumstances?


Well, they tweeted that they're nonpartisan. Also, their connection to public funding through PBS could be problematic.

This will probably be an issue in short order. Yet another distraction from the real issues.
 
2012-10-09 10:32:16 AM

blackminded: We can go ahead and drop the "Nailed it" meme whenever you guys are ready.

/thanks


Book it.

Done.
 
2012-10-09 10:33:06 AM

FlashHarry: jaysus. of all the things he lied about, they pick this? democrats always pull this cutesy bullshiat, and it never farking works. grow some balls; call him on his lies. the 5 trillion tax cut that he won't say how he'll pay for. turning medicare into a voucher program. i'm sick of this motherfarking amateur-hour bullshiat.


Don't know what state you're in, but here in NC we're getting Obama ads blasting Romney for denying he had a $5 trillion tax cut, and pointing out that if he lies in a debate, he can't be trusted to not lie as President.
 
2012-10-09 10:33:19 AM

Millennium: Key to understanding Romney's position with respect to public broadcasting is that he believes it will survive the cuts. Certainly it would have to adapt to not getting government funding, but given how little of its funding comes from the government as-is, he believes it is robust enough make that transition successfully, and that since it can, it should.


The problem with that is pretty succinctly put by a post I saw on FB earlier today:
TLC was founded by NASA and the Health Department in 1972 as an educational channel. Then it was privatized. Now it shows Honey Boo Boo.
 
2012-10-09 10:36:03 AM
As an Obama supporter, that was pathetic. Not the right tone at all. Sounds like it could be a Romney add poking fun at Democrats for overreacting to the Big Bird thing.
 
2012-10-09 10:36:09 AM

Cletus C.: This will probably be an issue in short order. Yet another distraction from the real issues.


Sounds like you're counting on it.
 
2012-10-09 10:36:18 AM

GoldSpider: That's money well spent, because viewers of those shows aren't already decided.


You don't just have to speak to the decided. You have to speak to the base to get them to show up. You have to energize them. If the base stays home the undecided is worthless.
 
2012-10-09 10:37:47 AM

Cletus C.: Big Bird is big money. Care to answer the question?


Sure. Something tells me the Obama administration called Jim Henson Studios and asked if they could use Big Bird's likeness, and Jim Henson Studios said, "Absolutely. Let us know if you need any artwork."
 
2012-10-09 10:38:01 AM

hubcity: Cletus C.: This will probably be an issue in short order. Yet another distraction from the real issues.

Sounds like you're counting on it.


Just asking the question ignited farklib butthurt. Weird but predictable.
 
2012-10-09 10:38:59 AM

FlashHarry: Aarontology: The Democrats are sackless wonders.

this is true. republicans are by nature alpha-male bullies sociopaths and democrats are sensitive wimps.

ftfy
 
2012-10-09 10:39:42 AM

ABQGOD: I'm surprised that PBS and Sesame Workshop allowed them the rights to make that commercial.


Maybe they don't really like being on the chopping block?
 
2012-10-09 10:40:22 AM

skycruiser-x: As an Obama supporter, that was pathetic. Not the right tone at all. Sounds like it could be a Romney add poking fun at Democrats for overreacting to the Big Bird thing.


As an Obama supporter, chill. He's allowed to air two different ads at the same time. And after months of super-serious "This guy is a liar and hates the 47% and wants to help rich people and will keep the middle class down and will ship your job overseas" ads (all of which are true, don't get me wrong) he's due for a humorous fluff ad painting Romney less as the sociopathic plutocrat that he is and more the small-minded clown that he is.

It's call comic relief.
 
2012-10-09 10:40:30 AM

Cletus C.: hubcity: Cletus C.: This will probably be an issue in short order. Yet another distraction from the real issues.

Sounds like you're counting on it.

Just asking the question ignited farklib butthurt. Weird but predictable.


True. Trolling deserves ignoring. It won't happen again.
 
2012-10-09 10:41:52 AM
www.gop.com
IMAGE HOSTED ON GOP.COM

So what is this GOP talking point about paying to use Big Bird in a campaign ad again?
 
2012-10-09 10:42:17 AM

Tumunga: JerseyTim: Too snarky. It doesn't strike the right tone. A straightforward "Mitt Romney will let Wall Street run rampant, but he'll crack down on Sesame Street" would have been more effective. This comes off kinda bratty.

You expected more? This is everything the Libs have left. They've tried to brand Romney a liar, a cheat, a thief, an animal torturer, and a murderer. Nothing has stuck.

Poor whittle whibs.


You sound oppressed.
 
2012-10-09 10:42:49 AM

null: [www.gop.com image 800x618]
IMAGE HOSTED ON GOP.COM

So what is this GOP talking point about paying to use Big Bird in a campaign ad again?


You can clearly see that Big Bird doesn't appear anywhere in that image
 
2012-10-09 10:42:55 AM
WTF ARE YOU GUYS DOING! YOU CAN PLAY ADS SHOWING ROMNEY TALKING OUT OF BOTH SIDE OF HIS MOUTH CONSTANTLY AND YOU'RE HARPING ON THE AWFUL DEBATE AND THE STUPIDEST GODDAMNED POINT OF THE WHOLE THING!!!

Seriously, Obama and the Chicago crew have always been great organizers and painfully sharp and on point and they're just phoning it just a few weeks before the election. There's no more time for long game BS, endgame time to go in for the kill is NOW!
 
2012-10-09 10:44:24 AM
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2012-10-09 10:44:33 AM

The Great EZE: skycruiser-x: As an Obama supporter, that was pathetic. Not the right tone at all. Sounds like it could be a Romney add poking fun at Democrats for overreacting to the Big Bird thing.

As an Obama supporter, chill. He's allowed to air two different ads at the same time. And after months of super-serious "This guy is a liar and hates the 47% and wants to help rich people and will keep the middle class down and will ship your job overseas" ads (all of which are true, don't get me wrong) he's due for a humorous fluff ad painting Romney less as the sociopathic plutocrat that he is and more the small-minded clown that he is.

It's call comic relief.



Also the ads serve a different purpose. This one plays well to the low info voter who gets his news from facebook updates. I will be shocked if over the next few days this isn't all over facebook in a way that a factual ad would never be.
 
2012-10-09 10:44:43 AM

null: [www.gop.com image 800x618]
IMAGE HOSTED ON GOP.COM

So what is this GOP talking point about paying to use Big Bird in a campaign ad again?


GOP.com is no way affiliated with the Republican party. False flagged overzealous staffer.
 
2012-10-09 10:44:54 AM

Cletus C.: Just asking the question ignited farklib butthurt. Weird but predictable.


Keep sounding concerned. It'll totally work.
 
2012-10-09 10:45:40 AM

hubcity: Cletus C.: hubcity: Cletus C.: This will probably be an issue in short order. Yet another distraction from the real issues.

Sounds like you're counting on it.

Just asking the question ignited farklib butthurt. Weird but predictable.

True. Trolling deserves ignoring. It won't happen again.


Trolling: An accusation often used to dismiss an opposing or inarguable viewpoint with which you disagree. When you reach into your intellectual quiver and and your hand goes straight to the bottom.
 
2012-10-09 10:46:10 AM
Me & my big mouth. I stand corrected on Wall st. bailouts.

That said, are Sesame Street and its characters profitable and copyrighted/ trademarked, or are they reliant government funding for their existence? It was my understanding that they were very profitable, and that it's only the local stations that rely on government funds.
 
2012-10-09 10:46:11 AM

Lost Thought 00: null: [www.gop.com image 800x618]
IMAGE HOSTED ON GOP.COM

So what is this GOP talking point about paying to use Big Bird in a campaign ad again?

You can clearly see that Big Bird doesn't appear anywhere in that image


The Count doesn't, ah, count as a Sesame Street character?
 
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