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2012-10-09 09:03:25 AM  
Yeah, but Stupid RTD tried to make the Tenth Doctor into an emo Jesus with the horrible way he went out.

"I DON'T WANT TO GO! WHY DO I HAVE TO SACRIFICE MYSELF FOR YOU? WAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHH!"

No other Doctor ever made you want to see him regenerate as much as the Tenth Doctor did.
 
2012-10-09 10:59:00 AM  

FirstNationalBastard: Yeah, but Stupid RTD tried to make the Tenth Doctor into an emo Jesus with the horrible way he went out.

"I DON'T WANT TO GO! WHY DO I HAVE TO SACRIFICE MYSELF FOR YOU? WAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHH!"

No other Doctor ever made you want to see him regenerate as much as the Tenth Doctor did.


OK I'll have to say I didn't like the way he went out. But he was my favorite of the modern Who.

/still a tear jerker
 
2012-10-09 11:46:58 AM  
I'm looking forward to a creative team change on Doctor Who. This last season has been really sub-par.
 
2012-10-09 11:50:14 AM  

FirstNationalBastard: Yeah, but Stupid RTD tried to make the Tenth Doctor into an emo Jesus with the horrible way he went out.

"I DON'T WANT TO GO! WHY DO I HAVE TO SACRIFICE MYSELF FOR YOU? WAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHH!"

No other Doctor ever made you want to see him regenerate as much as the Tenth Doctor did.


I really wished that RTD would have followed up The Waters of Mars with Ten gone completely off the reservation, and The Master is somehow tasked with stopping him before he breaks the universe trying to rewrite fixed points, and the Doctor is mortally wounded in the process.
 
2012-10-09 11:57:34 AM  
Dr. Who is an altruist. Nothing wrong with that.
 
2012-10-09 11:58:00 AM  

Rhypskallion: I'm looking forward to a creative team change on Doctor Who. This last season has been really sub-par.


It has been a weird season, but mostly because it has been transistion season that wraps up the Ponds' story and brings in Jenna-Louise's character. I figure that the second half is going to have a lot more wow to it because it is going to be setting up the big storylines for the 50th anniversary episodes. I'm going to see how the back half of the season works itself out before I write it off completely.
 
2012-10-09 11:59:06 AM  

Mad_Radhu: FirstNationalBastard: Yeah, but Stupid RTD tried to make the Tenth Doctor into an emo Jesus with the horrible way he went out.

"I DON'T WANT TO GO! WHY DO I HAVE TO SACRIFICE MYSELF FOR YOU? WAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHH!"

No other Doctor ever made you want to see him regenerate as much as the Tenth Doctor did.

I really wished that RTD would have followed up The Waters of Mars with Ten gone completely off the reservation, and The Master is somehow tasked with stopping him before he breaks the universe trying to rewrite fixed points, and the Doctor is mortally wounded in the process.


I have a feeling that something like that might be coming up for the 50th anniversary next year. The departure of the Ponds seemed to break something in Eleven.

As to a Who religion, I've heard of dumber things to base one's moral code on.
 
2012-10-09 12:00:45 PM  

FirstNationalBastard: Yeah, but Stupid RTD tried to make the Tenth Doctor into an emo Jesus with the horrible way he went out.

"I DON'T WANT TO GO! WHY DO I HAVE TO SACRIFICE MYSELF FOR YOU? WAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHH!"

No other Doctor ever made you want to see him regenerate as much as the Tenth Doctor did.


They had done worse whining and complaining when the Time Lords forced a regeneration on the second doctor at the end of War Games.
 
2012-10-09 12:01:12 PM  

FirstNationalBastard: No other Doctor ever made you want to see him regenerate as much as the Tenth Doctor did.


COLIN. BAKER.
 
2012-10-09 12:01:17 PM  
Addressing subby's question: Whovians aren't trying to aggressivley recruit new members, accumulate vast wealth and political influence or restrict scientific consensus, sexual expression or reproductive rights, so it's nothing like the religions most people have been forcefully introduced to.
 
2012-10-09 12:06:40 PM  
So popularity is the only requirement for religion now?

Creepy.
 
2012-10-09 12:07:10 PM  
10th was the best of the modern, with 9th a close second. Both of them were smart and thought their way through things while 11 is pretty much just a kid with a screwdriver and a TARDIS.

I do agree with it being almost a religion though, as this very 'argument' will show as more and more people chime in with "The X Doctor could kick the Y Doctor's ass, but is VASTLY inferior to Z Doctor".
 
2012-10-09 12:07:26 PM  

BalugaJoe: Dr. Who is an altruist. Nothing wrong with that.


Except there really is no such thing as a true altruist, and even if there were the doctor certainly wouldn't qualify.
 
2012-10-09 12:14:36 PM  

UNC_Samurai: FirstNationalBastard: No other Doctor ever made you want to see him regenerate as much as the Tenth Doctor did.

COLIN. BAKER.


First off, I was talking about the actual regeneration scene, not the Doctor overall.

Second, Colin Baker's Doctor was farking great, but done a horrible disservice by mostly shiatty stories and a shiattier BBC Controller.
 
2012-10-09 12:22:06 PM  
Dr Who sucks.
 
2012-10-09 12:24:32 PM  

steamingpile: Dr Who sucks.


Concise, and multiple pieces of bait. That's how you troll, folks.
 
2012-10-09 12:29:23 PM  

steamingpile: Dr Who sucks.


I'm not saying this to agree with the obvious troll who is obvious, but I agree. It lacks...everything...and has annoying British people who scream about things that the protagonists cannot do the whole episode until the protagonists actually do it, thus making the Doctor himself, pointless.
 
2012-10-09 12:33:05 PM  
Donna is a martyr and she doesn't even know it.
 
2012-10-09 12:38:48 PM  

UNC_Samurai: steamingpile: Dr Who sucks.

Concise, and multiple pieces of bait. That's how you troll, folks.


I disagree. If he wanted to be Obvious Troll, that would work, but you won't get many bites like that.
To be less obvious, throw in a reason why it sucks that'll boil the blood.

e.g. "Dr. Who sucks. Its a farking ripoff of Q from star trek"
 
2012-10-09 12:45:58 PM  

DuudeStanky: UNC_Samurai: steamingpile: Dr Who sucks.

Concise, and multiple pieces of bait. That's how you troll, folks.

I disagree. If he wanted to be Obvious Troll, that would work, but you won't get many bites like that.
To be less obvious, throw in a reason why it sucks that'll boil the blood.

e.g. "Dr. Who sucks. Its a farking ripoff of Q from star trek"


Or, "Dr. Who sucks. It's all just a rip off of the time travel episode of Red Dwarf."
 
2012-10-09 12:46:45 PM  
I don't know about a "religion," but the show has been on for so long that it is fun to see the "classic" episodes and find how the "new" episodes make references to them, even in tiny ways -- the yes/no conundrum in "Vengeance on Varos" and "The Beast Below," and so on.

It is fun to watch, and it is fun and entertaining to think about the differences between the Doctors.

/Zoe is underrated
 
2012-10-09 12:50:34 PM  

Rhypskallion: I'm looking forward to a creative team change on Doctor Who. This last season has been really sub-par.


Yeah, I just wasn't completely sold on how they ushered the Ponds out. I know Doctor Who will put aside continuity and details to tell a good story, but these last few were only mediocre stories.
 
2012-10-09 12:56:05 PM  

PanicMan: Rhypskallion: I'm looking forward to a creative team change on Doctor Who. This last season has been really sub-par.

Yeah, I just wasn't completely sold on how they ushered the Ponds out. I know Doctor Who will put aside continuity and details to tell a good story, but these last few were only mediocre stories.


I'm really hoping the second half is better.
 
2012-10-09 01:07:41 PM  

UNC_Samurai: FirstNationalBastard: No other Doctor ever made you want to see him regenerate as much as the Tenth Doctor did.

COLIN. BAKER.


2.bp.blogspot.com

Is Colin Baker going to have to choke a biatch?
 
2012-10-09 01:18:13 PM  
 
2012-10-09 01:19:11 PM  

The My Little Pony Killer: So popularity is the only requirement for religion now?

Creepy.


Well, we have a thread going where people are currently arguing that thinking you're right about something constitutes a religion, so why the hell not?
 
2012-10-09 01:25:02 PM  

Premeditated_Road_Rage: Both of them were smart and thought their way through things while 11 is pretty much just a kid with a screwdriver and a TARDIS.


I dunno, Eccleston wasn't really much of a thinker, as Doctor's go. He was very emotional and perfectly happy to use violence. Tennant was a little more cerebral, but not by much. There were only a few stories where you saw him do something truly clever. A lot of times, the climax of a story was just some technobabble and hand-waving. Smith is the first NuWho Doctor that actually gives you a sense that he's having fun- the Doctor is an adventurer looking for something new and exciting every week. I much prefer that Doctor to the avenging angel that Tennant turned into.

Stories this season have basically been strung together with "fridge logic", but I've found them quite enjoyable, overall. The only one I truly disliked was #4. I don't even remember what happened in that one. I remember "Asylum", "Dinosaurs", the Western episode, and... it's a big blank. Then "Manhattan", which was the second weakest this season, largely because everything existed in the world of "fridge logic", and at this point, that fridge is getting kinda ripe.
 
2012-10-09 01:37:38 PM  

UNC_Samurai: steamingpile: Dr Who sucks.

Concise, and multiple pieces of bait. That's how you troll, folks.


Maybe I'm just serious and voicing my opinion that a show sucks.
 
2012-10-09 01:57:28 PM  

steamingpile: Dr Who sucks.


The greatest trick the Devil ever pulled, was making people think he didn't exist. sucked.
 
2012-10-09 02:01:59 PM  

Zombie DJ: The greatest trick the Devil ever pulled, was making people think he didn't exist. sucked.


That's not that great of a trick. People convince me that they suck all the time.
 
2012-10-09 02:08:28 PM  

steamingpile: UNC_Samurai: steamingpile: Dr Who sucks.

Concise, and multiple pieces of bait. That's how you troll, folks.

Maybe I'm just serious and voicing my opinion that a show sucks.


Which part 'sucks'? Could you offer advice in re what you consider a good show?

Because if you say anything before 2005 sucks, I would agree. Because of budgetary constraints, the sets and special effects from that era were, somewhat lacking. But if you say the acting, I'm going to have to disagree, they all act equally poorly.
 
2012-10-09 02:09:12 PM  
Doctor Who is a kids show. You know that, don't you?
 
2012-10-09 02:36:06 PM  
I'll throw my hat in with the people that say this season has been largely disappointing. I don't know what it is about Matt Smith, but he seems much more...inconsistent than Eccleston or Tennant. Personally, I think it has to do with the writing. Looking at Moffat's work in general, he seems to be pretty hit or miss (hitting more than RTD did but missing quite a few) and it really shows since he is in control of the series now. Just look at Sherlock where Season 2 is vastly worse than Season 1. I don't know if it is simply a problem with the way he writes his character (possibly considering the Pond's and the supporting cast of Sherlock bug the hell out of me) or with the stories in general.

Either way, high point of the season was Town Called Mercy because I got to see Ben Browder is still getting work. Now, if we could only have a Farscape/Doctor Who crossover.
 
2012-10-09 02:46:35 PM  

steamingpile: Dr Who sucks.


Not as much as Torchwood. Cause that sucks more than 4 guys sucking off 5 guys. Literally. Dr.Who, while questionable, is still decent to middling sci-fi, though heavy handed with it's preaching. At least we've gotten dinosaurs.
 
2012-10-09 03:04:38 PM  

hippyneil: Doctor Who is a kids show. You know that, don't you?


Yes, but that's no excuse for sucking. There is plenty of excellent children's entertainment that is enjoyable by adults. I haven't even seen Sesame Street in probably 15 years, but god help you if you go after Big Bird.
 
2012-10-09 03:08:18 PM  

t3knomanser: Premeditated_Road_Rage: Both of them were smart and thought their way through things while 11 is pretty much just a kid with a screwdriver and a TARDIS.

I dunno, Eccleston wasn't really much of a thinker, as Doctor's go. He was very emotional and perfectly happy to use violence. Tennant was a little more cerebral, but not by much. There were only a few stories where you saw him do something truly clever. A lot of times, the climax of a story was just some technobabble and hand-waving. Smith is the first NuWho Doctor that actually gives you a sense that he's having fun- the Doctor is an adventurer looking for something new and exciting every week. I much prefer that Doctor to the avenging angel that Tennant turned into.

Stories this season have basically been strung together with "fridge logic", but I've found them quite enjoyable, overall. The only one I truly disliked was #4. I don't even remember what happened in that one. I remember "Asylum", "Dinosaurs", the Western episode, and... it's a big blank. Then "Manhattan", which was the second weakest this season, largely because everything existed in the world of "fridge logic", and at this point, that fridge is getting kinda ripe.


The 9th was a guy who just came off a war, and killed his entire race. I suspected him to be a bit off. 10 was, I dunno, too romantic with Rose, which detracted form his appeal. Donna was best, because she just up and said she had no interest in him that way.

Number 11 grew on me, as now we have the doctor, truly alone, and far too old for his liking. He gains a wife, but lives knowing the exact time and hour of her death. I have to wonder where he is going form here, granted he just lost the ponds, and will soon lose River, if not already (i've yet to see the latest episode).
 
2012-10-09 03:14:18 PM  

Watchtower's Fiction Editor: Addressing subby's question: Whovians aren't trying to aggressivley recruit new members, accumulate vast wealth and political influence or restrict scientific consensus, sexual expression or reproductive rights, so it's nothing like the religions most people have been forcefully introduced to.


What's sex and reproduction?!
 
2012-10-09 03:17:43 PM  
www.seriouseats.com

This is my body. Eat this in remembrance of me.

Ok you caught me. It's a jelly baby.
 
2012-10-09 03:19:04 PM  

The My Little Pony Killer: So popularity is the only requirement for religion now?

Creepy.


I think that was always the only requirement.
 
2012-10-09 03:21:07 PM  

Daquin: I'll throw my hat in with the people that say this season has been largely disappointing. I don't know what it is about Matt Smith, but he seems much more...inconsistent than Eccleston or Tennant. Personally, I think it has to do with the writing. Looking at Moffat's work in general, he seems to be pretty hit or miss (hitting more than RTD did but missing quite a few) and it really shows since he is in control of the series now. Just look at Sherlock where Season 2 is vastly worse than Season 1. I don't know if it is simply a problem with the way he writes his character (possibly considering the Pond's and the supporting cast of Sherlock bug the hell out of me) or with the stories in general.

Either way, high point of the season was Town Called Mercy because I got to see Ben Browder is still getting work. Now, if we could only have a Farscape/Doctor Who crossover.


Yeah, in this season Amy started out as a super-mega-biatch, and The Doctor has become violent and angry. They calmed Amy down a bit by the time the Ponds left, but I'm not seeing much of a change in The Doctor, so I'm not sure if they're going to give us a reason for him to have become so vicious. In the past when he's been "alone too long" he's simply become less empathetic and more merciless, but so far this season he's been downright vitriolic (see "Dinosaurs on a Spaceship" and "A Town Called Mercy").
 
2012-10-09 03:23:20 PM  

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2012-10-09 03:29:38 PM  

Teufelaffe: Daquin: I'll throw my hat in with the people that say this season has been largely disappointing. I don't know what it is about Matt Smith, but he seems much more...inconsistent than Eccleston or Tennant. Personally, I think it has to do with the writing. Looking at Moffat's work in general, he seems to be pretty hit or miss (hitting more than RTD did but missing quite a few) and it really shows since he is in control of the series now. Just look at Sherlock where Season 2 is vastly worse than Season 1. I don't know if it is simply a problem with the way he writes his character (possibly considering the Pond's and the supporting cast of Sherlock bug the hell out of me) or with the stories in general.

Either way, high point of the season was Town Called Mercy because I got to see Ben Browder is still getting work. Now, if we could only have a Farscape/Doctor Who crossover.

Yeah, in this season Amy started out as a super-mega-biatch, and The Doctor has become violent and angry. They calmed Amy down a bit by the time the Ponds left, but I'm not seeing much of a change in The Doctor, so I'm not sure if they're going to give us a reason for him to have become so vicious. In the past when he's been "alone too long" he's simply become less empathetic and more merciless, but so far this season he's been downright vitriolic (see "Dinosaurs on a Spaceship" and "A Town Called Mercy").


Tennant, toward the end of his run, and Smith have both displayed large shows of anger before, though. Think about "The Beast Below" when Smith tells everyone that is human that they have no right to speak with him. Or when he chased off the big eyeball spaceships all on his own.

The Doctor has always been a bit cantankerous (maybe not during Davison's run), so Smith is just moving the ball forward on this one. Besides, it's good to see that a guy who has seen some of the shiat he has is grumpy every once in a while.
 
2012-10-09 03:34:29 PM  

Rhypskallion: I'm looking forward to a creative team change on Doctor Who. This last season has been really sub-par.


THIS.

When they decided to make it a half Season of "goodbye Ponds", there was no saving it. Add in the writers throwing in every cliche and hackneyed story device in the book, and it's all just crap. They named the bloody story "Angels Take Manhattan"???!!!???

If the writers don't give a crap about their work, why should I?
 
2012-10-09 03:39:09 PM  
whizbangthedirtfarmer:. Besides, it's good to see that a guy who has seen some of the shiat he has is grumpy every once in a while.

I'm wondering why it isn't 'par for the course' instead of 'grumpy'. I would think a guy as old as he would just be all 'that's how shiat goes' and be done with it. Kinda like the politics tab should be.
 
2012-10-09 03:42:54 PM  

whizbangthedirtfarmer: Tennant, toward the end of his run, and Smith have both displayed large shows of anger before, though. Think about "The Beast Below" when Smith tells everyone that is human that they have no right to speak with him.


I loved that moment. He seemed so disgusted with Amy and then she saved the day.
 
2012-10-09 03:50:10 PM  

t3knomanser: Premeditated_Road_Rage: Both of them were smart and thought their way through things while 11 is pretty much just a kid with a screwdriver and a TARDIS.

I dunno, Eccleston wasn't really much of a thinker, as Doctor's go. He was very emotional and perfectly happy to use violence. Tennant was a little more cerebral, but not by much. There were only a few stories where you saw him do something truly clever. A lot of times, the climax of a story was just some technobabble and hand-waving. Smith is the first NuWho Doctor that actually gives you a sense that he's having fun- the Doctor is an adventurer looking for something new and exciting every week. I much prefer that Doctor to the avenging angel that Tennant turned into.

Stories this season have basically been strung together with "fridge logic", but I've found them quite enjoyable, overall. The only one I truly disliked was #4. I don't even remember what happened in that one. I remember "Asylum", "Dinosaurs", the Western episode, and... it's a big blank. Then "Manhattan", which was the second weakest this season, largely because everything existed in the world of "fridge logic", and at this point, that fridge is getting kinda ripe.


I agree with you on the Power of Three episode - I've filed that away with the Star Wars prequels in my mind's recycle bin - but ALL of the episodes this season have seemed equally weak to me for some reason, be it the nudging of the fourth wall ending of Asylum where he's dancing around and singing "Dr. Who?", the George Lucas-level CGI monstrosity that was Dinosaurs, the lackluster western (seriously? Face paint confused the robot?), or the "Let's forget everything I wrote that made 'Blink' an awesome episode and the Weeping Angels cool and unique." canon-urination-bath that was "Manhattan".

I quite liked 10's avenging angel aspect because he had a lot of humor and happiness as well. Recently re-watched "Impossible Planet" and "Satan Pit" and enjoyed how he hugged the captain and praised the humans for being...well...human. 11 seems to pretty much insult humans whenever he gets the opportunity, it seems. Might just be Matt Smith's expressions reading like that - really sarcastic while Tennet's seemed genuine.
 
2012-10-09 04:26:58 PM  
The Doctor insulting humans for being humans is nothing new, it was a favorite pasttime of his especially while he was stranded on Earth in the 70's. He generally prefers the humans of the future where they moved out into the galaxy and got past a lot of our more primitive ways. The ones where they have the same sense of exploration that he has.
 
2012-10-09 04:29:35 PM  

UNC_Samurai: FirstNationalBastard: No other Doctor ever made you want to see him regenerate as much as the Tenth Doctor did.

COLIN. BAKER.


'nuff. said~!

Yeah, the way he went out was emo-sucky, but Ten was awesome. Eleven's not that far off either.
 
2012-10-09 04:48:10 PM  

FirstNationalBastard: Yeah, but Stupid RTD tried to make the Tenth Doctor into an emo Jesus with the horrible way he went out.

"I DON'T WANT TO GO! WHY DO I HAVE TO SACRIFICE MYSELF FOR YOU? WAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHH!"

No other Doctor ever made you want to see him regenerate as much as the Tenth Doctor did.


Actually, his ending seemed much more 'human' to me. How would you feel, knowing you were going to be rewritten?
 
2012-10-09 04:53:22 PM  

ArcadianRefugee: FirstNationalBastard: Yeah, but Stupid RTD tried to make the Tenth Doctor into an emo Jesus with the horrible way he went out.

"I DON'T WANT TO GO! WHY DO I HAVE TO SACRIFICE MYSELF FOR YOU? WAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHH!"

No other Doctor ever made you want to see him regenerate as much as the Tenth Doctor did.

Actually, his ending seemed much more 'human' to me. How would you feel, knowing you were going to be rewritten?


Yeah, but the Doctor's not Human, He went through 9* other regenerations without whining like a biatch. Why was the 10th one so damned whiny and emo?

/*Yeah, the Second Doctor was biatching up a storm in the final moments we saw him. However, we don't know if that was when he regenerated or not. But, it does warrant a footnote in the "not whining like a biatch" discussion. And the Second Doctor wasn't whining, he was always biatching in outrage. #10 was just flat out emo whining.
 
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