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2012-10-09 09:32:45 AM
10 votes:
Actually, they said that the fastest growing group is the religiously "unaffiliated," over half of whom still attend church and/or consider themselves "spiritual" and would certainly not label themselves as atheists. Although since there is no group easier to troll than online atheists, your headline will work just fine, subby.
2012-10-09 10:50:44 AM
6 votes:
Atheism = not a religion.

Antitheism (which a majority of your vocal internet atheists subscribe to, whether they know it or not) = Most definitely a religion.

If it walks like a duck, talks like a duck, looks like a duck, it's a duck.
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2012-10-09 09:54:06 AM
6 votes:

Pocket Ninja: Actually, they said that the fastest growing group is the religiously "unaffiliated," over half of whom still attend church and/or consider themselves "spiritual" and would certainly not label themselves as atheists. Although since there is no group easier to troll than online atheists, your headline will work just fine, subby.


I don't know. Many people who attend church only go to keep their friends and family happy.
2012-10-09 10:47:07 AM
4 votes:
imgs.xkcd.com

Obligatory.
2012-10-09 11:02:11 AM
3 votes:
F'n atheists! I remember that time when atheists tried to deny contraception to women. Or enforce decency laws to take away our pr0n. And remember all of those godless folks who made their counties "dry" because beer is the Devil's brew. Then they made praying to Charles Darwin mandatory in schools! And don't forget how atheists use their religion to subjugate others, such as non-whites, women, and teh gays. The sheer audacity of it all!

Oh wait. None of that ever happened. It was superstitious fuqtards and Theocrats that did all of that.
2012-10-09 11:00:30 AM
3 votes:

JackieRabbit: Is the Obvious tag off on a religious sabbatical? The trend toward secularization in America is now long-standing. In two generations, people with religious affiliations will be a minority.


i.imgur.com

I hope.
2012-10-09 10:49:18 AM
3 votes:
"The fastest growing "religious" group in America is made up of people with no religion at all..."

Not having a religion does not equal atheist, no matter how much atheists say it does.
2012-10-09 10:47:47 AM
3 votes:
Fastest Growing Hobby Is 'Not Collecting Stamps'
2012-10-09 06:58:18 PM
2 votes:

Jument: As for atheists, I think that's a little close-minded. How can we possibly know for certain? I don't think we can.


Who said we know for certain?
We just don't believe until we are shown something to believe in.
Thus we are atheists.
2012-10-09 02:51:03 PM
2 votes:
I see i drunk what is in the thread and will probably hang around and badger people until the thread closes. I've prepared a disclaimer for these occasions:

IDW is, essentially, the ultimate troll (with the only difference being that he's not a deliberate one). He's not interested in discussion -- he just wants to dick you around.

His MO is to seize control of the discussion and keep it, and the most basic way to do this is to withhold information from others and never acquiesce to any questions, comments or requests. By claiming some hidden truth that is beyond everyone's insight but keeping it undefined, he places himself in a role as Teacher or Guru or whatever fantasy Authority he imagines himself as. He doesn't mind arguing in his own backyard, but he'd much prefer to constantly hop from backyard to backyard, forcing you to chase him through separate, discordant arguments and fallacies of distraction. If you corner him, he'll usually chop your post up into little pieces and then reply to each piece individually with one these responses:

1) a question attacking your line of questioning, turning it back on you
2) a loaded and nonsensical analogy which may include a dodge, misdirection, or introduction of additional and usually irrelevant subject matter or
3) a sarcastic snipe at the subject and/or you (sometimes with image attached)

And then the chase begins again. There's no knowledge or wisdom to gain here (from either you or him) and he has no insights to impart. His questions have no purpose. He just wants to control you and force you to jump through his hoops that he will constantly move around on you so that you fail and he can claim superiority. You are wasting your time.

For an example, in this three year old thread he concocted a logic game similar to the Wason Selection Task with rules that he could change at any time for any reason, foisted it upon the thread, toyed with the posters for a whole day while refusing to give the answer, and then eventually concluded that everyone was wrong.

It's part of his technique to constantly assume Authoritarian control. He gets off on giving people challenges and quests with no point other than so he can withhold the non-existent answers from them (like his "True Definition of Nature" theory -- he poses this riddle to everyone but there's no answer. He just enjoys watching people struggle). It's the old schoolyard power trip: "I know something you don't and I won't tell you what it is".

That he's been doing this schtick for so long is an indication that he will never stop and there's nothing to learn from him, like he's stuck in a perpetual feedback loop, recycling the same arguments in every religion thread (he's probably already posted the Wason test that he so infamously failed at solving many years ago. It's his way of dealing with the embarrassment by mocking it).

Despite the fact that he frequently loses these discussions, he'll continue posting them as if they're unsolvable, ignoring repeated and consistent replies defeating them. He has never been the type to swallow his pride and admit when he's wrong so you'll never get anywhere with him (and he'll always mock you if you try). It is very likely that he has NPD and people replying to him on Fark is how he strokes his ego so he can never stop no matter how many humiliating threads send him down in flames.

In short: He is a complete and total waste of your god damn time. Reply at your peril; I suggest ignore.
2012-10-09 01:09:48 PM
2 votes:

Buttknuckle: I have come to realize something in the past couple years...

Atheists who look down upon others for their religious beliefs are arrogant. You cannot win an argument with an Atheist, because it is about logic. Religion is about BELIEF. There is so much we don't know out there and to assume that we as humans are "it" is arrogant as hell, IMHO. But it really bothers me when Atheists look down on those who get happiness and serenity in their lives with religion. Of course, this is contingent on the fact that they are not religious nutjobs trying to convert everyone in their path.


Philosophers have grappled with this question when searching for the secret of happiness. Paraphrased, it was noted like this:

A pig does not know of the fate the farmer has in store for him. He is fed and housed without apparent compensation. When he's hot, he happily rolls in the mud to cool down, and spends his days without care, eating, sleeping, and rutting. By every apparent measure, it seems like he would have quite a happy life, until like all things, it comes to an end. One must then ask oneself, is it better to be an ignorant pig, happy to be rolling in the mud, or should one aspire to be a human, aware of the world, and thus experience the greater heights and lower depths that come with that understanding.

In layman's terms, the question was this: "Ignorance makes us happy, but is it worth it?"

Like many philosophical quandaries, this is not a question that can be answered definitively, except on a personal level, so this schism will always exist.

It doesn't take much to look at people who choose ignorance, or deliberately inflict it upon themselves with drink or drugs. There's an obvious and natural conflict between those who've chosen ignorance over contemplation, and feel that their choice should be shared with others. Just like the more outspoken religious folks want to spread their message because they truly believe that it is for the benefit of others, the vocal atheist will do the exact same thing, for the exact same reason.

So you may see this come from a sense of arrogance, but if they were so self-important, they wouldn't share it with you in the first place - unless you're actively causing harm to their lifestyle (see: school boards vs. evolution, etc).
2012-10-09 11:57:04 AM
2 votes:
Ah yes, the thread where 'not believing in magic' is an extreme position.
2012-10-09 11:33:40 AM
2 votes:
People may be falling out with religion, and they may even claim that they are atheists, but that still doesn't stop them from believing in complete nonsense.

The human predilection for being a special and unique property of the the Universe is as strong as ever. It's just been shifted from organized religion to spirituality -- everything from energy auras and chakras to ley lines and feng shui, ESP and psychics, homeopathy, paranormal existences, belief in ghosts/vampires/werewolves/angels, reincarnation, tai chi/yoga/meditation/mindfulness/Buddhism, astrology, miracles/premonition/prophecy, indigo children, the Mayan calendar, the coming Age of Aquarius and anything that reeks of "New Age" (which includes everything from the Celestine Prophecy to What the Bleep Do We Know).

Sure, religion is declining. But supernaturalism is as strong as ever. I blame education.
2012-10-09 11:18:24 AM
2 votes:
if athiesm is a religion then unemployed is a career
2012-10-09 11:04:24 AM
2 votes:
In announcing the survey's findings at the Religion Newswriters Association conference in Bethesda, Maryland, Green said the growing political power of the unaffiliated within the Democratic Party could become similar to the power the Religious Right acquired in the GOP in the 1980s.

First, given the rhetoric that the Democrats have been throwing out lately, this seems tremendously unlikely. Second, given what I know about the Pew forum, this statement was intended to smear the Democrats and induce self-righteous hand-wringing and pearl-clutching in evangelicals.

Easy prediction: In the next couple of weeks, look for another wave of histrionic opinion pieces by Christians bemoaning how the church has "failed" young people; and by "the church," they mean all those other churches that are "doing it wrong," not their church, which is, of course, right about everything.
2012-10-09 10:57:39 AM
2 votes:
Is the Obvious tag off on a religious sabbatical? The trend toward secularization in America is now long-standing. In two generations, people with religious affiliations will be a minority.
2012-10-09 10:55:07 AM
2 votes:
I have come to realize something in the past couple years...

Atheists who look down upon others for their religious beliefs are arrogant. You cannot win an argument with an Atheist, because it is about logic. Religion is about BELIEF. There is so much we don't know out there and to assume that we as humans are "it" is arrogant as hell, IMHO. But it really bothers me when Atheists look down on those who get happiness and serenity in their lives with religion. Of course, this is contingent on the fact that they are not religious nutjobs trying to convert everyone in their path.
2012-10-09 10:49:36 AM
2 votes:
Making Online atheists angry is like shooting fish in a barrel. Trolling them is not even worthy of the word "trolling".
2012-10-10 02:38:34 AM
1 votes:

Buttknuckle: What I believe is none of your business as long as I show tolerance, even love, to my fellow man.


If all religious people followed your line of thinking, there would be no need for any of this discussion. Human history would also be a much less shameful story.
2012-10-09 09:09:57 PM
1 votes:
When my civil rights are on the line, I don't care how many religious nutjobs I offend. They obviously don't care if they offend me.
2012-10-09 09:04:28 PM
1 votes:
I humbly promise to stop exposing the obviously wrong, deceitful, ignorant, and illogical religious arguments on the Internet when they stop telling me who I can and cannot marry.
2012-10-09 04:41:29 PM
1 votes:

Ishkur: Bhruic: The problem with the latter class is they usually get hung up on a specific spot. Like the one guy I was thinking of, his argument started off with "something cannot come from nothing". Which Matt wouldn't agree with. And the guy concluded that must mean that Matt thought that something could come from nothing. And Matt kept saying, "No, I just don't agree that something can't come from nothing". And they went back and forth on that for awhile, until Matt finally hung up because the guy just couldn't get it.

That was the second time he called, just a few weeks ago. The first time was last march, and both times they got stuck on the "something from nothing" argument for 20+ minutes. See, the guy hadn't really thought of it, he just had rehearsed statements and talking points, and his frustration was that Matt wasn't giving him any answer that he had a prepared rebuttal for. I thought Tracy's argument is far more devastating just by its practical application: The something from nothing argument is wrong for two reasons:

1) The laws of causality do not apply to the quantum level, so somethings can come from nothings.
2) The laws of causality only apply to somethings, not nothings (everything that was a cause is a Something coming from another Something, not a Nothing). We don't have any examples of nothing, so we cannot verify whether something can come from it.

He couldn't wrap his head around that and they kept going in circles. Funny, because it was his FIRST assertion of a SEVEN point plan about the declaration of God's existence. So apparently he has six more of them, but they haven't gotten through the first one yet in two whole shows.


Everyone knows where he'd be going with those other six points anyway. The same old rehashed cosmological crap that's trotted out every time. Even if he'd gotten past the first premise it still would have ended up being a waste of time.
2012-10-09 04:16:51 PM
1 votes:
Stats like this make me very happy:

According to the poll, 34% of "younger millennials" - those born between 1990 and 1994 - are religiously unaffiliated. Among "older millennials," born between 1981 and 1989, 30% are religiously unaffiliated: 4 percentage points higher than in 2007.

Poll respondents 18-29 were also more likely to identify as atheist or agnostic. Nearly 42% religious unaffiliated people from that age group identified as atheist or agnostic, a number far greater than the number who identified as Christian (18%) of Catholic (18%).

Green says that these numbers are "part of a broader change in American society."


These days it seems as though all the trends and stats are bad, so it's nice to see evidence of positive change as well!

I gotta say though, this election is a real nail-biter for me. I grew up under the stifling yoke of Mormon authoritarianism and enforced conformity- I have absolutely no desire to be back under the oppression of that fascist cult. I don't think anyone, even conservatives; really know what they are getting into. (Other than escaped Mormons, like me.)

The Mormon Church is a rigidly hierarchical organization, demanding veneration of the Leader (a.k.a. "Prophet, Seer, and Revelator") as the living mouthpiece of God. If Romney really is a Mormon, then it is ludicrous for him to claim that this nation won't be governed from Salt Lake City if he is elected.
2012-10-09 03:10:11 PM
1 votes:

I May Be Crazy But...: I drunk what: Leeds: In case you haven't noticed, you can't erase posts once you've posted them. So your idiocy is there for all to see and mock.

upload.wikimedia.org

Out of curiosity, what do you mean by those cards? I went to the Watson Selection Task page on wikipedia, but I'm still lost about the meaning here.


That's an image that signifies the drunk one's inability to grasp logic. For some reason, he's proud of the fact that he failed that test and for completely inexplicable reasons he drags it out to showcase his shame.

Here's the original thread link.

All the rest copied directly from that link:

Q: If I tell you that the rule is all cards with an even number on them have to have red backs, which two cards do you flip over to check if this is true?
IDW's Answer: is the fourth card orange?
IDW's Second Answer: i got tired of waiting so now I have to ASSUME the 4th card is red (though it appears orange on my computer). My answer is : the first two cards "3" "8"
Patient Response #1: Err, no, the third card is red, the fourth brown. Are you perchance red green deficient? I'll give you time to think about it again.
IDW's Second Answer: then I'm stuck because I need to flip 3 8 and brown
Patient Response #2: Well, then the situation is worse than I thought. I'll restate the question, in writing. You have four cards on a table. One shows a '3', another an '8', another is red, the last is brown. You are told that the rule is that all cards with an even number on one side must be red on the other side. Which two cards do you flip to determine if the rule has been violated?
IDW's Third Answer: ok let me try to restate in writing. I would choose-flip the first card (which shows a '3') and the second card (which shows an '8'). was this the way you wanted me to answer [in writing]
IDW starting to lose it: I'm stuck because I need to flip 3 8 and brown. But then he said only 2 so, I think it's a trap!

It goes on and on and on and on and on and on. IDW still doesn't understand that test or why he keeps failing it. And that was February of 2009.

THIS is why that idiot is on everyone's ignore list. Even when you show him the error in his ways, even when you educate him about where the problem lies, he still doesn't get it. And then to make matters worse, instead of being embarrassed by his inability to understand basic logic he chooses instead to post that picture all over the place as some sort of badge of honor. He's actually proud of being a card-carrying moron.
2012-10-09 02:54:01 PM
1 votes:

Buttknuckle: I have come to realize something in the past couple years...

Atheists who look down upon others for their religious beliefs are arrogant. You cannot win an argument with an Atheist, because it is about logic. Religion is about BELIEF. There is so much we don't know out there and to assume that we as humans are "it" is arrogant as hell, IMHO. But it really bothers me when Atheists look down on those who get happiness and serenity in their lives with religion. Of course, this is contingent on the fact that they are not religious nutjobs trying to convert everyone in their path.


Online trolls and 15 year old "atheists" on Reddit notwithstanding, I dont think most people who truly consider themselves atheists really look down on people who are happy with religion. They look down on people who try to shove their religion on everyone else (especially through law) without really bothering to actually adhere to the rules of the religion.

Besides, isn't it just as arrogant to believe that an all powerful being who created the universe loves YOU and hates people who aren't like you?
2012-10-09 02:42:37 PM
1 votes:

Buttknuckle: CheekyMonkey: Buttknuckle: I have come to realize something in the past couple years...

Atheists who look down upon others for their religious beliefs are arrogant. You cannot win an argument with an Atheist, because it is about logic. Religion is about BELIEF. There is so much we don't know out there and to assume that we as humans are "it" is arrogant as hell, IMHO. But it really bothers me when Atheists look down on those who get happiness and serenity in their lives with religion. Of course, this is contingent on the fact that they are not religious nutjobs trying to convert everyone in their path.

Actually, what's "arrogant as hell" is assuming that there's a magical sky fairy who created you, gave you dominion over the earth, and gives a fark about you.

The reality is, humans are not "it". There's a whole universe out there, and humans are but a tiny part of it. You aren't amazing or special or chosen. In the big picture, you are nothing. So, enjoy life while you've got it - nothing but the void awaits.

It is about tolerance, you horses ass. If it makes someone else happy and doesn't affect you, deal with it and STFU.


That's what we want. And yet, atheists are frequently assumed to be christian (at least I am) and then declared intolerant or childishly rebellious or any number of other things when we point out that we aren't or say we don't really care to be included in a group that is declared to be Christians. We are told that we have to follow the dictates of other's religions, then called arrogant sinners when we say that those are not our rules. If the religious stopped trying to force their religion on us, a lot of us would be more quiet.

Some do seem to think that nobody should be religious, but a lot more of us just think that some random senator's religious prohibitions shouldn't be inflicted on the country.
2012-10-09 02:42:22 PM
1 votes:

Buttknuckle: CheekyMonkey: Buttknuckle: I have come to realize something in the past couple years...

Atheists who look down upon others for their religious beliefs are arrogant. You cannot win an argument with an Atheist, because it is about logic. Religion is about BELIEF. There is so much we don't know out there and to assume that we as humans are "it" is arrogant as hell, IMHO. But it really bothers me when Atheists look down on those who get happiness and serenity in their lives with religion. Of course, this is contingent on the fact that they are not religious nutjobs trying to convert everyone in their path.

Actually, what's "arrogant as hell" is assuming that there's a magical sky fairy who created you, gave you dominion over the earth, and gives a fark about you.

The reality is, humans are not "it". There's a whole universe out there, and humans are but a tiny part of it. You aren't amazing or special or chosen. In the big picture, you are nothing. So, enjoy life while you've got it - nothing but the void awaits.

It is about tolerance, you horses ass. If it makes someone else happy and doesn't affect you, deal with it and STFU.


Tolerance? From religious people?!? Have you taken a look at the world around you?

If religious tards would just STFU and believe in their horseshiat quietly, I'd have no problem with them. The fact is, religious tards aren't happy with keeping THEIR RELIGION our of MY LIFE. Whether it's knocking on my door, trying to convert me, or attempting to codify their religious beliefs into secular law, they are, at best, invasive and annoying, and at worst, downright repressive.

Keep your irrational and unsubstantiated nonsense to yourselves, fundie assholes!
2012-10-09 01:27:04 PM
1 votes:

jonawald: Religion = people who believe in something they can't see, can't prove.

Atheists = people who believe that the everything we know came from nothing in some kind of big bang. That this something that came from nothing somehow changed and "evolved" into a single cellular living being that had a system for respiring, digesting, eliminating waste and reproducing? Wow. That alone is a lot of faith. It goes on though. they believe that somehow this something that came from nothing and got life and systems evolved into a multicelular being that had all the above functions. It goes on from there, but it gets to crazy to put down in writing.

People laugh at religions people who believe in a God, and Creator. Think about how funny these people are. They certainly have a weird religion.


Where did this God that created everything come from? Religion has the same flaws as Atheism, but they add an extra step, nothing makes an Omnipotent thing, then that thing creates everything else.
2012-10-09 01:17:39 PM
1 votes:
Only a person with no knowledge of science would assert that subscription to an idea based on its having a high probability of correctness equals certainty.

People with knowledge of science don't believe in certainty, they believe in probability. I am an atheist because gods are as improbable as invisible, intangible unicorns that fill the universe from one end to another. Nothing is impossible in this universe, but things can reach a level of improbability so as to render them unable to happen within the life-span of a thousand universes. That's not the same as impossibility.

It is improbable that your underwear that you put on this morning would suddenly be translocated back into your top dresser drawer. However, it is not impossible. If a trillion wormholes from your dresser to atoms within your underwear formed at random but coincedentally all surrounding your Underwearium atoms, and all leading to your dresser drawer, your underwear would seem to disappear from your bottom and reappear in your dresser simultaneously. Such a thing is absurdly unlikely to happen, but it is NOT impossible.

Likewise, gods, beings of infinite complexity, arising from nothing, and having no measurable qualities, are as unlikely as underwear teleportation in my opinion. At least the big bang, protein self-assembly, membrane formation, ribosome self-assembly, DNA self-assembly all provides an explanation for why several finite, mortal, foolish beings came into existence eventually. It seems likely to me that you're reading this. It seems unlikely to me that you're god. And if you aren't, and I'm not, and he's not, and she's not, and nobody can see him or feel him or taste him or measure him with billions of dollars worth of equipment, then he doesn't exist until one of those measurements changes. Same as underwear teleportation. It hasn't happened, until the first time it's observed to have definitely happened on a day when you definitely didn't just forget to put on your underwear (subject to peer review and reproducability).
2012-10-09 01:11:00 PM
1 votes:

kgf: Since all religions have a god


Not necessarily.
2012-10-09 01:07:58 PM
1 votes:

IAMTHEINTARWEBS: Atheism is a belief system and therefore a religion.


Believing the sun will rise tomorrow is a belief system, but not a religion.
2012-10-09 01:05:12 PM
1 votes:

Buttknuckle: I have come to realize something in the past couple years...

Atheists who look down upon others for their religious beliefs are arrogant. You cannot win an argument with an Atheist, because it is about logic. Religion is about BELIEF. There is so much we don't know out there and to assume that we as humans are "it" is arrogant as hell, IMHO. But it really bothers me when Atheists look down on those who get happiness and serenity in their lives with religion. Of course, this is contingent on the fact that they are not religious nutjobs trying to convert everyone in their path.


Actually, what's "arrogant as hell" is assuming that there's a magical sky fairy who created you, gave you dominion over the earth, and gives a fark about you.

The reality is, humans are not "it". There's a whole universe out there, and humans are but a tiny part of it. You aren't amazing or special or chosen. In the big picture, you are nothing. So, enjoy life while you've got it - nothing but the void awaits.
2012-10-09 01:03:21 PM
1 votes:
2012-10-09 12:55:22 PM
1 votes:

Nuclear Monk: meat0918: had98c: Inflatable Rhetoric: SquiggsIN: On atheism, Sagan commented in 1981:

"An atheist is someone who is certain that God does not exist, someone who has compelling evidence against the existence of God. I know of no such compelling evidence. Because God can be relegated to remote times and places and to ultimate causes, we would have to know a great deal more about the universe than we do now to be sure that no such God exists. To be certain of the existence of God and to be certain of the nonexistence of God seem to me to be the confident extremes in a subject so riddled with doubt and uncertainty as to inspire very little confidence indeed".

The same is true for the Tooth Fairy, the Easter Bunny, and Santa.

Hey, at least we can see the Easter Bunny and Santa. So we know they exist. They're at the mall every spring and every December, respectively. Go look for yourself.

You know what!

[thumbnails.hulu.com image 512x288]

God is a schooner?


You dumb bastard.

God is a sailboat.
2012-10-09 12:40:54 PM
1 votes:

vactech: The other religions (Muslim, Jewishm, etc), they be all like "Don't beleive in God? Good, more heaven for me!"


Yeah, no Muslim ever harmed anyone because of their religion.
2012-10-09 12:40:15 PM
1 votes:

DontMakeMeComeBackThere: If you go on and on about it like, say Bill Maher does, then yes, it is a religion.


What in the fark definition of 'religion' are you using? Do outspoken atheists wear robes, perform rituals, have dogma, holy scriptures, etc?

This "I know you are but what am I" bullshiat has to stop.
2012-10-09 12:34:33 PM
1 votes:

MadUncleEoin: vpb: Many people who attend church only go to keep their friends and family happy.

My mother wants me to bring myself, wife and 5 year old son to "bring a friend to church" next week. My wife refuses to go, and I'm more a-theist than she is. But I'm still trying to figure out how to get out of it without upsetting my mother.


No way to do that.
Be firm and tell her your family isn't interested and won't be in the future so quit asking.
More butthurt for her now = less for your family later.
Your family (wife and kids) are your primary responsibility.
2012-10-09 12:20:12 PM
1 votes:

had98c: Inflatable Rhetoric: SquiggsIN: On atheism, Sagan commented in 1981:

"An atheist is someone who is certain that God does not exist, someone who has compelling evidence against the existence of God. I know of no such compelling evidence. Because God can be relegated to remote times and places and to ultimate causes, we would have to know a great deal more about the universe than we do now to be sure that no such God exists. To be certain of the existence of God and to be certain of the nonexistence of God seem to me to be the confident extremes in a subject so riddled with doubt and uncertainty as to inspire very little confidence indeed".

The same is true for the Tooth Fairy, the Easter Bunny, and Santa.

Hey, at least we can see the Easter Bunny and Santa. So we know they exist. They're at the mall every spring and every December, respectively. Go look for yourself.


You know what!

thumbnails.hulu.com
2012-10-09 12:06:28 PM
1 votes:
I'm agnostic. But some days I give thanks to something and some days I ask for grace and guidance. Some days I am just amazed by how kick ass the universe is. I am super blessed and when I say it/think it if something/someone hears me and gives a sh*t, well then I want them to know I think it is really cool.


and if not, oh well.
2012-10-09 11:57:21 AM
1 votes:

CrappityCrap: Atheism may as well be a religion. Sure acts like one. They're utterly convinced they're right and everyone else is wrong. They do whatever they can to get more people to think just like them, and when you challenge their beliefs the farktardism commences.


Anybody who honestly wants to base their view of the world on reason and observation would be inclined to change their minds were there any reason to.

I am up for re-evaluating my position that there is no supreme being monitoring our day-to-day lives and arbitrarily dispensing justice invisible, without ever revealing itself in an unequivocal manner, while leaving red herrings all over the place in an attempt to convince thinking people that it doesn't exist. I just need some kind of evidence that this is the case, and there isn't any.

It follows that if you aren't presenting evidence to an atheist, you aren't really "challenging his beliefs," you're just preaching -- usually, as you are, calling him a "farktard" for not taking your word for it that this being exists and requires our unthinking worship. Any response is dismissed by you as "farktardism."

"Reason is the enemy of faith," said Martin Luther, and rightly so. I can't imagine how annoying it must be to a religious person.
2012-10-09 11:53:46 AM
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Space_Poet: Happy to find out the other day that my smart daughter is also atheist. As well as many of her friends. And she's not even included in this survey because she's under 18. We had a good conversation about how every religion in the world thinks it's the TRUE ONE and how if that's true then most of them are wrong and they are just arrogant and stupid to be fighting each other over a book. We also discussed the basic tenants of religion, treating everyone as your brother and how many of them fail that test a well.

/You don't need to be afraid of anything to be good, in fact it's fear that seems to fuel the hatred of man
//Any religion that basis its' reason on fear of eternal damnation is a flawed theory at best, and a pox on man at worst


I think you skipped over what makes all religion evil (categorically)-
Every religion is based entirely on one man's word that people should obey his whims because a magical creature told him a secret.

Think of it-
Jesus pretended that an invisible fellow told him that we should abandon our families and worship him and do his bidding.
Muhammad pretended that an invisible fellow told him that women are objects and we should kill people who piss us off.
Moses pretended that an invisible fellow told him that making statues was wrong and that we should kill people who do so.
Etc, etc.

All religion is based on hearsay from dead a$$holes who pretended that they were inspired by an invisible being that doesn't exist. And all of them have become even greater conduits for evil as evil men have added their thoughts over the years. (Also inspired from hearsay from invisible mythical creatures whispering in their ears).
2012-10-09 11:43:11 AM
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Ishkur: People may be falling out with religion, and they may even claim that they are atheists, but that still doesn't stop them from believing in complete nonsense.

The human predilection for being a special and unique property of the the Universe is as strong as ever. It's just been shifted from organized religion to spirituality -- everything from energy auras and chakras to ley lines and feng shui, ESP and psychics, homeopathy, paranormal existences, belief in ghosts/vampires/werewolves/angels, reincarnation, tai chi/yoga/meditation/mindfulness/Buddhism, astrology, miracles/premonition/prophecy, indigo children, the Mayan calendar, the coming Age of Aquarius and anything that reeks of "New Age" (which includes everything from the Celestine Prophecy to What the Bleep Do We Know).

Sure, religion is declining. But supernaturalism is as strong as ever. I blame education.


I highlighted a few holes in your argument. Being an atheist means rejecting "spirituality" and all of the mumbo-jumbo that comes with it.

In the article it is stated that there are now 33 million Americans who have no religion, but they also state that of that group, fewer than half (13 million) are atheists. No people who "claim that they are atheists" believe in the superstition crap you listed above.
2012-10-09 11:29:18 AM
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CrappityCrap: Atheism may as well be a religion. Sure acts like one. They're utterly convinced they're right and everyone else is wrong. They do whatever they can to get more people to think just like them, and when you challenge their beliefs the farktardism commences.


I always find this type of argument so comical. Everyone with any sort of world view thinks they're right. If you didn't, then you would change your world view until you did.
2012-10-09 11:27:12 AM
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miscreant: I haven't seen a detailed explanation of theist vs. atheist and gnostic vs. agnostic yet and how they differ yet in this thread. Fark, I am disappoint.


Christianity isn't monotheistic at all. It's a pantheistic religion that singles out one deity and proscribes the worship of others.

/scratch that one off 
2012-10-09 11:24:09 AM
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As an athiest I relish the times I get to hang out with my more religious friends. Their religions are filled with great lush tales of history and morals and are just great to hear about. They have their communities and groups and they do their thing and I applaud them for it. I urge them to be involved and to get out of it what it is that they feel is of the most rewarding.

They do their thing and I do mine. Sometimes I buy the beer sometimes they do. It all works out.
2012-10-09 11:21:22 AM
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the_chief: Atheism is just another atheism.


You know I think that quote would have worked better if you had gone with Religion is just another atheism., because really religious folk are atheist in regards to other gods.
2012-10-09 11:19:43 AM
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tgambitg: Atheism = not a religion.

Antitheism (which a majority of your vocal internet atheists subscribe to, whether they know it or not) = Most definitely a religion.

If it walks like a duck, talks like a duck, looks like a duck, it's a duck.


Of course, if you don't know what a duck is or what it walks, talks, or looks like, identifying it with smug certainty as a duck just makes you look like an idiot.
2012-10-09 11:16:38 AM
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iheartscotch: The benefit of being well informed seems somewhat less beside 10 extra days off a year.


Bank Holidays, 2011
---------------------------
Monday, January 17 - Birthday of Martin Luther King, Jr.
Monday, February 21 - Washington's Birthday
Monday, May 30 - Memorial Day
Monday, July 4 - Independence Day
Monday, September 5 - Labor Day
Monday, October 10 - Columbus Day
Friday, November 11 - Veterans Day
Thursday, November 24 - Thanksgiving Day
Monday, December 26 - Christmas Day

Only Christmas is specifically religious.
Thanksgiving is kinda sorta spiritual, but it's not specific to any relgiion.
The other eight are all secular.
2012-10-09 11:10:17 AM
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The fastest growing "religious" group in America is made up of people with no religion at all,...

Next up, the fastest growing "athletic" group in America is made up of no athletes
2012-10-09 11:09:43 AM
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Vegan Meat Popsicle: Coder: /Agnosticism is for people who don't understand probability

No, it's for people who take it too literally.


True enough. I was thinking of agnostics as the on-the-fence 50/50 crowd. Those of us who know that God and Russel's Tea Pot can't be 'disproved' but still understand how they're made up, are atheists. 100% statistical guarantee not required.

/unlike the faithful, who suddenly require the highest standard of proof mathematically possible.
2012-10-09 11:05:49 AM
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I hope every day to wake up to a world that has abandoned the crutch of religion. We, as a species, will never progress to anywhere near our potential until we stop using religion to answer our questions.

Religious people can be wonderful people but, we all know that not all are. More people have been killed in the name of a deity than for any other reason in history.
2012-10-09 11:05:26 AM
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Lady Beryl Ersatz-Wendigo: We should really create our own religion here on Fark. Think of the benefits brought on by the tax exempt status!


2.bp.blogspot.com

All hail the omnissiah!
2012-10-09 11:05:19 AM
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Yakk: proteon: Unless you've never been to Reddit, I'm not sure this is trolling.

I wish Reddit would discover the religion of readable threads.


It's gonna have to discover quality control of its user base first. I used to think Slashdot had some stupid posters, and then I discovered Reddit, which is like the part of the internet that wears a dunce hat.
2012-10-09 11:01:35 AM
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Anybody click on this whiny little entry on the same site? Basically says that anybody who doesn't a) buy into a formal religion or b) go full atheist is being too lazy to think.

Um, no. Buying in to either extreme is a way of avoiding thought. Why continue to evaluate when the decision has been made?
2012-10-09 11:00:11 AM
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I'm an apatheist. I just don't care.
2012-10-09 10:58:53 AM
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Whether or not atheism is a religion is a problem for the dictionary. That so few people are atheists, that's the problem for us humans.

/Agnosticism is for people who don't understand probability
2012-10-09 10:57:12 AM
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Carousel Beast: Weaver95: incidentally, the Catholic Church is VERY worried about the growth of 'secular' government and the 'lack of faith' among so many people. US evangelicals hate/fear anyone who isn't 'christian' (that includes atheists, pagans, Muslims, Buddhists or whatever).

Citation Needed.


well that was easy.
2012-10-09 10:56:07 AM
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Buttknuckle: I have come to realize something in the past couple years...

Atheists who look down upon others for their religious beliefs are arrogant. You cannot win an argument with an Atheist, because it is about logic. Religion is about BELIEF. There is so much we don't know out there and to assume that we as humans are "it" is arrogant as hell, IMHO. But it really bothers me when Atheists look down on those who get happiness and serenity in their lives with religion. Of course, this is contingent on the fact that they are not religious nutjobs trying to convert everyone in their path.


See, now that's your "traditional" atheism troll. Straightforward and kind of obvious... not like subby... not like subby at all...
2012-10-09 10:55:33 AM
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iheartscotch: I feel sorry for atheists; they don't get to use holy days as an excuse to get off of work. The benefit of being well informed seems somewhat less beside 10 extra days off a year.

/ *pokes the bear*


We get our kicks in... sleeping in on Sunday.....not looking like some retard with dirt on our foreheads on some random Wednesday in the Winter.

*pokes back*
2012-10-09 10:51:15 AM
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It's like any other business, people are just getting bored with the product.

A slick marketing campaign might help. Offer some new incentives, maybe roll back restrictions.
2012-10-09 10:50:40 AM
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I enjoy the safety of agnosticism. I'm not telling religious people or atheists that they're wrong or right. Just that me, I don't know or don't care to take a position.
2012-10-09 10:49:43 AM
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In the USA Today article the non-affiliated were referred to as "nones".
2012-10-09 10:41:56 AM
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The fastest growing "religious" group in America is made up of people with no religion at all, according to a Pew survey showing that one in five Americans is not affiliated with any religion.

well gee, I wonder why that might be the case...? ya think it has something to do with all the sex and drug scandals among 'mainstream' religions? or maybe that the megachurches are offensive right down to the genetic level...?
2012-10-09 09:53:04 AM
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"... which is odd," the reporter said, "because evolution is just a theory."
 
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