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2012-10-09 02:05:29 PM  

This Is Bold Text: [i.imgur.com image 474x800]


http://www.snopes.com/politics/soapbox/atheists.asp

I wish it was real. But... Poe's Law, man. Poe's Law.
 
2012-10-09 02:06:51 PM  

BuckTurgidson: vpb: Pocket Ninja: Actually, they said that the fastest growing group is the religiously "unaffiliated," over half of whom still attend church and/or consider themselves "spiritual" and would certainly not label themselves as atheists. Although since there is no group easier to troll than online atheists, your headline will work just fine, subby.

I don't know. Many people who attend church only go to keep their friends and family happy.

Or to make and maintain business contacts.

Or date.


Have you ever tried to date a chick who believes in the gods? Never put your dick in crazy-it's just not worth it. Dating educated women is far more rewarding.
 
2012-10-09 02:07:10 PM  

StymieMotJuste: http://www.examiner.com/article/atheist-vs-christian-whose-killed-mor e -and-who-will-survive

This article only compares Christians and Atheists. But clearly atheists are more likely to kill you if you don't agree with them.

Everybody run Vegan Meat Popsicle got a gun


Yep, and that idiot lays Stalin, Lenin, and Pol Pot on atheism like it had anything to do with their atrocities or their maintenance of power.

They all had brown hair too.
 
2012-10-09 02:08:00 PM  
For the sake of all that you hold sacred, will everyone stop the insipid comments about who killed who in the name of what? Everyone here knows that killing people is wrong. It doesn't matter if you do it in the name of God, Communism, atheism, Buddha or Jack Russel Terriers, it's wrong. Nobody here supports it.

So everyone on my side of the fence: Stop comparing religious folks to abortion clinic bombers and crusaders - they agree with us that these things are wrong.
And religious folks: Cut out the Hitler and Stalin and whoever else stuff - we agree that those guys were monsters.

If you want to talk about religion, talk. Explain what you believe or don't believe. Keep your mind open to new things, if only to the extent of admitting that you may not already know what someone else thinks. But don't be dicks.
 
2012-10-09 02:08:25 PM  

Metaphysical Ham Sandwich: StymieMotJuste: SquiggsIN: I hope every day to wake up to a world that has abandoned the crutch of religion. We, as a species, will never progress to anywhere near our potential until we stop using religion to answer our questions.

Religious people can be wonderful people but, we all know that not all are. More people have been killed in the name of a deity than for any other reason in history.

First, I'm agnostic. God can't be proved or disproved.

I'm pretty sure atheism in the guise of Communism killed way more people. Stalin, Lenin, Pol Pot, killed way more people than religion. I read it some where.

Prove me wrong children.

You're a troll but Stalin, Lenin, and Pol Pot created state religions filled with all the same stifling of dissent, adherence to dogma, ritual, evangelism, and public displays of devotion. The problem with Stalin, Lenin, and Pol Pot wasn't too much rationality. It was more religion.


That's right double down on the dumbshiat. Communism was a religion? Marx is rolling over smoking opium in his grave.
 
2012-10-09 02:08:58 PM  
Yay, a tone troll has appeared!
 
2012-10-09 02:10:35 PM  

StymieMotJuste:
That's right double down on the dumbshiat. Communism was a religion? Marx is rolling over smoking opium in his grave.


Lenin-worship and the Communist Party of Soviet Russia were state religions for all the reasons I previously mentioned.
 
2012-10-09 02:10:58 PM  

Metaphysical Ham Sandwich: Yay, a tone troll has appeared!


F sharp is far superior to G flat.

Yeah, that's not what tone means in music, but bear with me here.
 
2012-10-09 02:11:19 PM  

IAMTHEINTARWEBS: So not believing in unicorns is a belief system? yes, for example "I do not believe unicorns exist" = "I believe unicorns do not exist". in both cases believe is the verb


Unfortunately you are incorrect. "I do not believe in X" is not the same as "I believe X doesn't exist". Not believing can mean that you are sure that X isn't the case, but it also could mean that you lack enough evidence to believe something. It doesn't have to mean you actively believe X to be false. For example, I don't believe that any of the planets we've discovered so far have life on them. It doesn't mean that I believe there is no life on the planets.
 
2012-10-09 02:12:26 PM  

KrispyKritter: vpb: Pocket Ninja: Actually, they said that the fastest growing group is the religiously "unaffiliated," over half of whom still attend church and/or consider themselves "spiritual" and would certainly not label themselves as atheists. Although since there is no group easier to troll than online atheists, your headline will work just fine, subby.

I don't know. Many people who attend church only go to keep their friends and family happy.

there are those who attend services to keep friends & family happy. there are those who attend only for their own purposes, as in to promote themselves and their business to others. and there are a few who show up regularly that are there to give praise & worship to God as they have their weary vessel refilled and renewed.


Priests especially like to fill young boys.
 
2012-10-09 02:12:45 PM  
The only difference between we atheists and you is that we disbelieve in ONE more false god than you do. Your bible/ torah/ talmud proves nothing; all religions come with a users manual.

/funny how none of them are written in Heavenese/
 
2012-10-09 02:13:53 PM  

I May Be Crazy But...: Metaphysical Ham Sandwich: Yay, a tone troll has appeared!

F sharp is far superior to G flat.

Yeah, that's not what tone means in music, but bear with me here.


And D minor is the saddest of all keys.

// Inspired by Mozart and Bach. It's sort of a Mach piece, really...
 
2012-10-09 02:17:45 PM  

Leeds: I May Be Crazy But...: Metaphysical Ham Sandwich: Yay, a tone troll has appeared!

F sharp is far superior to G flat.

Yeah, that's not what tone means in music, but bear with me here.

And D minor is the saddest of all keys.

// Inspired by Mozart and Bach. It's sort of a Mach piece, really...


If it out argues you, just give a label, and then dehumanize it. Just like communist atheists are likely to do. Then kill it cause it didn't agree with you view.

You two are good atheists
 
2012-10-09 02:19:23 PM  

StymieMotJuste: Leeds: I May Be Crazy But...: Metaphysical Ham Sandwich: Yay, a tone troll has appeared!

F sharp is far superior to G flat.

Yeah, that's not what tone means in music, but bear with me here.

And D minor is the saddest of all keys.

// Inspired by Mozart and Bach. It's sort of a Mach piece, really...

If it out argues you, just give a label, and then dehumanize it. Just like communist atheists are likely to do. Then kill it cause it didn't agree with you view.

You two are good atheists


Ummm. Did you respond to the wrong post perhaps?

How did a link to Spinal Tap become a launching point for you to suggest I'm labeling and dehumanizing people?

You may apologize now.
 
2012-10-09 02:21:52 PM  

StymieMotJuste: Leeds: I May Be Crazy But...: Metaphysical Ham Sandwich: Yay, a tone troll has appeared!

F sharp is far superior to G flat.

Yeah, that's not what tone means in music, but bear with me here.

And D minor is the saddest of all keys.

// Inspired by Mozart and Bach. It's sort of a Mach piece, really...

If it out argues you, just give a label, and then dehumanize it. Just like communist atheists are likely to do. Then kill it cause it didn't agree with you view.

You two are good atheists


Are you entirely sure you responded to the right post?
 
2012-10-09 02:21:54 PM  

Slaves2Darkness: Buttknuckle: I have come to realize something in the past couple years...

Atheists who look down upon others for their religious beliefs are arrogant. You cannot win an argument with an Atheist, because it is about logic. Religion is about BELIEF. There is so much we don't know out there and to assume that we as humans are "it" is arrogant as hell, IMHO. But it really bothers me when Atheists look down on those who get happiness and serenity in their lives with religion. Of course, this is contingent on the fact that they are not religious nutjobs trying to convert everyone in their path.

Well at least you found a group to feel superior to. You really need to talk to someone about that inferiority complex though.


Um no. I was simply pointing out the hypocricy.
 
2012-10-09 02:22:09 PM  

I May Be Crazy But...: Ishkur: I am an Ionian.

I'm Corinthian.

www.buffaloah.com

A real pillar of my community, too.

I should share my wit with everyone. Maybe the newspaper will give me a column.


Corinthian? I don't buy your image at all. You sir, sound like a a doric.

:-P
 
2012-10-09 02:22:18 PM  

StymieMotJuste: That's what your mom told me about her VD, but it turns out she did have crabs.


no YOUr mom

/i'm rubber
//your glue
 
2012-10-09 02:23:27 PM  

Leeds: I May Be Crazy But...: Ishkur: I am an Ionian.

I'm Corinthian.

[www.buffaloah.com image 193x180]

A real pillar of my community, too.

I should share my wit with everyone. Maybe the newspaper will give me a column.

Corinthian? I don't buy your image at all. You sir, sound like a a doric.

:-P


You think I'm some sort of architecture g(r)eek?
 
2012-10-09 02:24:39 PM  

IAMTHEINTARWEBS: Buttknuckle: I have come to realize something in the past couple years...

Atheists who look down upon others for their religious beliefs are arrogant. You cannot win an argument with an Atheist, because it is about logic. Religion is about BELIEF.


No, atheists who look down on others for their beliefs are hypocrits.

Agnosticism is about logic. It is impossible with current knowledge and measuring systems to prove if there is or is not a diety. That is scientifically sound reasoning.

Atheists BELIEVE that there is no diety and that is just as unsound a scientific position as is belief in a diety.

Atheism is a belief system and therefore a religion.

THIS. You said it better than me.
 
2012-10-09 02:24:41 PM  
Dammit Subby, it's Athe-IST, not Athe-ISM.
/annoyed by the ism.
 
2012-10-09 02:24:47 PM  

I May Be Crazy But...: StymieMotJuste: Leeds: I May Be Crazy But...: Metaphysical Ham Sandwich: Yay, a tone troll has appeared!

F sharp is far superior to G flat.

Yeah, that's not what tone means in music, but bear with me here.

And D minor is the saddest of all keys.

// Inspired by Mozart and Bach. It's sort of a Mach piece, really...

If it out argues you, just give a label, and then dehumanize it. Just like communist atheists are likely to do. Then kill it cause it didn't agree with you view.

You two are good atheists

Are you entirely sure you responded to the right post?


Know how I know you didn't click on the link?

Here's a free tip- Learn to read and people won't mock your stupidity to your face nearly as much. In case you haven't noticed, you can't erase posts once you've posted them. So your idiocy is there for all to see and mock. Allow me to be the first so far today to openly mock you, troll.
 
2012-10-09 02:27:22 PM  
Sorry Crazy- I responded to you and not to Styme the stupid as I had intended. Kind of a double post too, I'm seeing posts dissappear a lot right now, not sure what's up with this thread.


I retract all comments about you save the doric comment (which I'm guessing no one else got anyway)

// My humblest apologies for linking you to that ignoramus, StymieMotJuste.
 
2012-10-09 02:27:37 PM  

Leeds: In case you haven't noticed, you can't erase posts once you've posted them. So your idiocy is there for all to see and mock.


upload.wikimedia.org
 
2012-10-09 02:28:05 PM  

CheekyMonkey: Buttknuckle: I have come to realize something in the past couple years...

Atheists who look down upon others for their religious beliefs are arrogant. You cannot win an argument with an Atheist, because it is about logic. Religion is about BELIEF. There is so much we don't know out there and to assume that we as humans are "it" is arrogant as hell, IMHO. But it really bothers me when Atheists look down on those who get happiness and serenity in their lives with religion. Of course, this is contingent on the fact that they are not religious nutjobs trying to convert everyone in their path.

Actually, what's "arrogant as hell" is assuming that there's a magical sky fairy who created you, gave you dominion over the earth, and gives a fark about you.

The reality is, humans are not "it". There's a whole universe out there, and humans are but a tiny part of it. You aren't amazing or special or chosen. In the big picture, you are nothing. So, enjoy life while you've got it - nothing but the void awaits.


It is about tolerance, you horses ass. If it makes someone else happy and doesn't affect you, deal with it and STFU.
 
2012-10-09 02:28:10 PM  
In the 20th centurary. The 2 biggest killers of war aggression were theists and their religious populace; Hitler (Germany) and Hirohito (Japan). Not atheists. They were the 2 countries that invaded other countries and committed mass genocide (see: holocaust and asian holocaust). So while the atheists were piss poor internal managers, the real people to fear from an external perspective are the theists.

That means, if you are a theist you are a genocidal maniac....mainly Christians. Just saying.
 
2012-10-09 02:35:34 PM  

I drunk what: Leeds: In case you haven't noticed, you can't erase posts once you've posted them. So your idiocy is there for all to see and mock.

upload.wikimedia.org


Out of curiosity, what do you mean by those cards? I went to the Watson Selection Task page on wikipedia, but I'm still lost about the meaning here.
 
2012-10-09 02:37:23 PM  
Poll goes up, poll goes down.

You can't explain that.
 
2012-10-09 02:38:51 PM  

Buttknuckle: It is about tolerance, you horses ass.


Nothing screams tolerance like insults!
 
2012-10-09 02:39:32 PM  

SquiggsIN: and christ mass has no business being a federally-recognized holiday. that goes completely against our establishment of religion clause.


No it doesn't. You don't even understand what establishment of religion in this circumstance is.
It takes more than just a day off.
 
2012-10-09 02:39:52 PM  

Sticky Hands: Hell, just last week I saw some Islamic OP trolling /b


Yes. I'm sure a troll on 4chan is sincere in his conviction. Also, that 16 year old jailbait posting pics is probably real too.
 
2012-10-09 02:42:22 PM  

Buttknuckle: CheekyMonkey: Buttknuckle: I have come to realize something in the past couple years...

Atheists who look down upon others for their religious beliefs are arrogant. You cannot win an argument with an Atheist, because it is about logic. Religion is about BELIEF. There is so much we don't know out there and to assume that we as humans are "it" is arrogant as hell, IMHO. But it really bothers me when Atheists look down on those who get happiness and serenity in their lives with religion. Of course, this is contingent on the fact that they are not religious nutjobs trying to convert everyone in their path.

Actually, what's "arrogant as hell" is assuming that there's a magical sky fairy who created you, gave you dominion over the earth, and gives a fark about you.

The reality is, humans are not "it". There's a whole universe out there, and humans are but a tiny part of it. You aren't amazing or special or chosen. In the big picture, you are nothing. So, enjoy life while you've got it - nothing but the void awaits.

It is about tolerance, you horses ass. If it makes someone else happy and doesn't affect you, deal with it and STFU.


Tolerance? From religious people?!? Have you taken a look at the world around you?

If religious tards would just STFU and believe in their horseshiat quietly, I'd have no problem with them. The fact is, religious tards aren't happy with keeping THEIR RELIGION our of MY LIFE. Whether it's knocking on my door, trying to convert me, or attempting to codify their religious beliefs into secular law, they are, at best, invasive and annoying, and at worst, downright repressive.

Keep your irrational and unsubstantiated nonsense to yourselves, fundie assholes!
 
2012-10-09 02:42:37 PM  

Buttknuckle: CheekyMonkey: Buttknuckle: I have come to realize something in the past couple years...

Atheists who look down upon others for their religious beliefs are arrogant. You cannot win an argument with an Atheist, because it is about logic. Religion is about BELIEF. There is so much we don't know out there and to assume that we as humans are "it" is arrogant as hell, IMHO. But it really bothers me when Atheists look down on those who get happiness and serenity in their lives with religion. Of course, this is contingent on the fact that they are not religious nutjobs trying to convert everyone in their path.

Actually, what's "arrogant as hell" is assuming that there's a magical sky fairy who created you, gave you dominion over the earth, and gives a fark about you.

The reality is, humans are not "it". There's a whole universe out there, and humans are but a tiny part of it. You aren't amazing or special or chosen. In the big picture, you are nothing. So, enjoy life while you've got it - nothing but the void awaits.

It is about tolerance, you horses ass. If it makes someone else happy and doesn't affect you, deal with it and STFU.


That's what we want. And yet, atheists are frequently assumed to be christian (at least I am) and then declared intolerant or childishly rebellious or any number of other things when we point out that we aren't or say we don't really care to be included in a group that is declared to be Christians. We are told that we have to follow the dictates of other's religions, then called arrogant sinners when we say that those are not our rules. If the religious stopped trying to force their religion on us, a lot of us would be more quiet.

Some do seem to think that nobody should be religious, but a lot more of us just think that some random senator's religious prohibitions shouldn't be inflicted on the country.
 
2012-10-09 02:43:36 PM  

Bhruic: Unfortunately you are incorrect. "I do not believe in X" is not the same as "I believe X doesn't exist". Not believing can mean that you are sure that X isn't the case, but it also could mean that you lack enough evidence to believe something.


Whenever these threads get to this point, I start reading every post in Matt Dillahunty's voice.
 
2012-10-09 02:44:21 PM  

I drunk what: Leeds: In case you haven't noticed, you can't erase posts once you've posted them. So your idiocy is there for all to see and mock.

[upload.wikimedia.org image 850x336]


It's funny, IDW, I was in the thread where you were making such an ass of yourself that someone used this puzzle on you. (abb3w, perhaps?). Funny to see you being smug about it now. It's almost enough to believe that no matter how stupid you seem, we might be getting through to you.

/almost.
 
2012-10-09 02:44:24 PM  

I May Be Crazy But...: Out of curiosity, what do you mean by those cards? I went to the Watson Selection Task page on wikipedia, but I'm still lost about the meaning here


Oh Jesus no!!!

//it's IDW's pseudo intellectual version of Simon Says.
 
2012-10-09 02:44:30 PM  

Leeds: Sorry Crazy- I responded to you and not to Styme the stupid as I had intended. Kind of a double post too, I'm seeing posts dissappear a lot right now, not sure what's up with this thread.


I retract all comments about you save the doric comment (which I'm guessing no one else got anyway)


That was funny. I hope other folks got it.
 
2012-10-09 02:46:36 PM  

I May Be Crazy But...: Out of curiosity, what do you mean by those cards?


ask Leeds i'm sure he can give you a truthful and accurate account, and then ask him "which two cards do you turn over?" (just for teh lulz)

I May Be Crazy But...: but I'm still lost about the meaning here.


it's a simple logic test

/that too many farkers have failed at
//they won't be the last
 
2012-10-09 02:47:29 PM  

JC Saviour: I May Be Crazy But...: Out of curiosity, what do you mean by those cards? I went to the Watson Selection Task page on wikipedia, but I'm still lost about the meaning here

Oh Jesus no!!!

//it's IDW's pseudo intellectual version of Simon Says.


What? I don't... oh crap. Didn't look at the person posting. Very poor choice of words on my part there.
 
2012-10-09 02:51:03 PM  
I see i drunk what is in the thread and will probably hang around and badger people until the thread closes. I've prepared a disclaimer for these occasions:

IDW is, essentially, the ultimate troll (with the only difference being that he's not a deliberate one). He's not interested in discussion -- he just wants to dick you around.

His MO is to seize control of the discussion and keep it, and the most basic way to do this is to withhold information from others and never acquiesce to any questions, comments or requests. By claiming some hidden truth that is beyond everyone's insight but keeping it undefined, he places himself in a role as Teacher or Guru or whatever fantasy Authority he imagines himself as. He doesn't mind arguing in his own backyard, but he'd much prefer to constantly hop from backyard to backyard, forcing you to chase him through separate, discordant arguments and fallacies of distraction. If you corner him, he'll usually chop your post up into little pieces and then reply to each piece individually with one these responses:

1) a question attacking your line of questioning, turning it back on you
2) a loaded and nonsensical analogy which may include a dodge, misdirection, or introduction of additional and usually irrelevant subject matter or
3) a sarcastic snipe at the subject and/or you (sometimes with image attached)

And then the chase begins again. There's no knowledge or wisdom to gain here (from either you or him) and he has no insights to impart. His questions have no purpose. He just wants to control you and force you to jump through his hoops that he will constantly move around on you so that you fail and he can claim superiority. You are wasting your time.

For an example, in this three year old thread he concocted a logic game similar to the Wason Selection Task with rules that he could change at any time for any reason, foisted it upon the thread, toyed with the posters for a whole day while refusing to give the answer, and then eventually concluded that everyone was wrong.

It's part of his technique to constantly assume Authoritarian control. He gets off on giving people challenges and quests with no point other than so he can withhold the non-existent answers from them (like his "True Definition of Nature" theory -- he poses this riddle to everyone but there's no answer. He just enjoys watching people struggle). It's the old schoolyard power trip: "I know something you don't and I won't tell you what it is".

That he's been doing this schtick for so long is an indication that he will never stop and there's nothing to learn from him, like he's stuck in a perpetual feedback loop, recycling the same arguments in every religion thread (he's probably already posted the Wason test that he so infamously failed at solving many years ago. It's his way of dealing with the embarrassment by mocking it).

Despite the fact that he frequently loses these discussions, he'll continue posting them as if they're unsolvable, ignoring repeated and consistent replies defeating them. He has never been the type to swallow his pride and admit when he's wrong so you'll never get anywhere with him (and he'll always mock you if you try). It is very likely that he has NPD and people replying to him on Fark is how he strokes his ego so he can never stop no matter how many humiliating threads send him down in flames.

In short: He is a complete and total waste of your god damn time. Reply at your peril; I suggest ignore.
 
2012-10-09 02:51:06 PM  

vpb: Pocket Ninja: Actually, they said that the fastest growing group is the religiously "unaffiliated," over half of whom still attend church and/or consider themselves "spiritual" and would certainly not label themselves as atheists. Although since there is no group easier to troll than online atheists, your headline will work just fine, subby.

I don't know. Many people who attend church only go to keep their friends and family happy.



I stopped going to chruch to make my family happy. Apparently, the constant shoulds of "But where's the proof?" or "Is that a wool/cotton blend?" or "They served shrimp at the fundraiser, why aren't you stoning them?" were upsetting to others.
 
2012-10-09 02:52:01 PM  
Atheism is a Religion. A piss-poor Religion, but a Religion regardless.

The amusing part is where an almost endless supply of Schoolboy Atheists will launch into ever-decreasing circles of denial, and exercises of semantics worthy of any medieval theologian.
 
2012-10-09 02:52:47 PM  

Ishkur: Bhruic: Unfortunately you are incorrect. "I do not believe in X" is not the same as "I believe X doesn't exist". Not believing can mean that you are sure that X isn't the case, but it also could mean that you lack enough evidence to believe something.

Whenever these threads get to this point, I start reading every post in Matt Dillahunty's voice.


Hehe, yeah. I was almost tempted to find the video where he went over this extensively with that one "professional debator", but I figured I could adlib it. Those guys do some great work, there's no way I could be as patient as they are. Well, I could be as patient as Jeff Dee. ;)
 
2012-10-09 02:53:46 PM  

letrole: Atheism is a Religion. A piss-poor Religion, but a Religion regardless.

The amusing part is where an almost endless supply of Schoolboy Atheists will launch into ever-decreasing circles of denial, and exercises of semantics worthy of any medieval theologian.


Define religion, then demonstrate how atheism fits that definition. Until then, STFU.
 
2012-10-09 02:54:01 PM  

Buttknuckle: I have come to realize something in the past couple years...

Atheists who look down upon others for their religious beliefs are arrogant. You cannot win an argument with an Atheist, because it is about logic. Religion is about BELIEF. There is so much we don't know out there and to assume that we as humans are "it" is arrogant as hell, IMHO. But it really bothers me when Atheists look down on those who get happiness and serenity in their lives with religion. Of course, this is contingent on the fact that they are not religious nutjobs trying to convert everyone in their path.


Online trolls and 15 year old "atheists" on Reddit notwithstanding, I dont think most people who truly consider themselves atheists really look down on people who are happy with religion. They look down on people who try to shove their religion on everyone else (especially through law) without really bothering to actually adhere to the rules of the religion.

Besides, isn't it just as arrogant to believe that an all powerful being who created the universe loves YOU and hates people who aren't like you?
 
2012-10-09 02:54:16 PM  

I May Be Crazy But...: For the sake of all that you hold sacred, will everyone stop the insipid comments about who killed who in the name of what? Everyone here knows that killing people is wrong. It doesn't matter if you do it in the name of God, Communism, atheism, Buddha or Jack Russel Terriers, it's wrong. Nobody here supports it.


I typically tend to find "who killed more people" arguments unhelpful, but I will admit that they have their own narrowly-defined place. The problem is that most "pogroms vs. Crusades" arguments are very poorly stated, largely because people engage in them without a clear premise that they're trying to support.

When someone pops into the thread and says "Stalin, Mao, and Pol Pot were atheists and look at all the people they killed," or, more inflammatorily, "look at all the people atheism kills," there are a number of different arguments that might be advanced by this statement, but what they actually are is often never stated. You might be arguing against the idea that atheism is sufficient to make people behave in a more humanitarian manner (or prevent atrocities,) in which case mentioning Stalin might be a valid rebuttal. If you are instead arguing that atheism by itself is sufficient to cause atrocities, that's a much more difficult sell, given the number of other characteristics that the Soviet, Chinese, and Khmer Rouge shared. If you bring up atrocities committed by atheists as a rebuttal to atrocities committed by Christians (or other religious folks,) that's often a simple Tu Quoque fallacy that doesn't address the point it's attempting to refute.

At a more abstract level, none of those mentions of Authoritarian genocide address whether or not God exists; they only argue whether or not belief in God is beneficial to society, which is a completely different argument.

Conversely, saying "look at the Crusades/witch trials/pedophiles" by itself isn't necessarily an argument for anything. The main difference I would point out between the two sides of this conversation is that the claims of "atheism" and the various flavors of Christianity are usually not symmetric, so these examples are not equally applicable. For instance, if a Christian is attempting to assert that Christianity is sufficient to make people morally superior (and by extension prove his religion is true,) then mention of the Crusades might be a legitimate counterexample. If, in rebuttal, the religious person mentions people killed by atheists, that proves nothing unless the non-theist has specifically asserted that atheism makes people more moral, or is sufficient to prevent genocide, or something like that.

I think discussions of past injustices do have a place in discussions of religion, but in order for them to work, you have to have a point beyond "ATHEISM/THEISM BAD!!!!"
 
2012-10-09 02:54:48 PM  

mithras_angel: vpb: Pocket Ninja: Actually, they said that the fastest growing group is the religiously "unaffiliated," over half of whom still attend church and/or consider themselves "spiritual" and would certainly not label themselves as atheists. Although since there is no group easier to troll than online atheists, your headline will work just fine, subby.

I don't know. Many people who attend church only go to keep their friends and family happy.


I stopped going to chruch to make my family happy. Apparently, the constant shoulds of "But where's the proof?" or "Is that a wool/cotton blend?" or "They served shrimp at the fundraiser, why aren't you stoning them?" were upsetting to others.


/s/chruch/church
/s/shoulds/shouts

I can't spell today.
 
2012-10-09 02:57:43 PM  

Martian_Astronomer: I think discussions of past injustices do have a place in discussions of religion, but in order for them to work, you have to have a point beyond "ATHEISM/THEISM BAD!!!!"


Okay, you have a good point.

Mostly around here it seems to just be used as a way to say "You support Hitler" or "You want to burn witches" and that gets under my skin, because whichever it is, it's a insult to me or my loved ones.
 
2012-10-09 02:58:26 PM  

Metaphysical Ham Sandwich: letrole: Atheism is a Religion. A piss-poor Religion, but a Religion regardless.

The amusing part is where an almost endless supply of Schoolboy Atheists will launch into ever-decreasing circles of denial, and exercises of semantics worthy of any medieval theologian.

Define religion, then demonstrate how atheism fits that definition. Until then, STFU.


It's funny, I was just about to ask him if his username didn't give away his posting style to people, and cause him to get less bites than he otherwise would have, but I then he goes and gets one. Not that I blame you, it's just sad how many people seem to be amused by trolling these days.
 
2012-10-09 02:58:33 PM  

JC Saviour: /it's IDW's pseudo intellectual version of Simon Says


uh oh! another loser just outed himself, how embarrassing

Leeds just warned you that your posts cannot be deleted, weren't you paying attention?

ok Leeds go ahead and mock him, he deserves it

Ishkur: He's not interested in discussion


i'm interested in discussing the solution with you, are you an honest intellectual?

dang Leeds, you're gunna busy mocking people in this thread, hope your net doesn't break

tl;dr

The Aristocrats Idiot Brigade

everyone give them a hand, they are the hardest working brigade in show business

/devouring oneself isn't as easy as it looks
 
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