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(CNN)   CNN decides to try its hand at trolling, announces that the fastest growing religion is Atheism   (religion.blogs.cnn.com) divider line 357
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2012-10-09 12:25:58 PM  

Buttknuckle: I have come to realize something in the past couple years...

Atheists who look down upon others for their religious beliefs are arrogant. You cannot win an argument with an Atheist, because it is about logic. Religion is about BELIEF. There is so much we don't know out there and to assume that we as humans are "it" is arrogant as hell, IMHO. But it really bothers me when Atheists look down on those who get happiness and serenity in their lives with religion. Of course, this is contingent on the fact that they are not religious nutjobs trying to convert everyone in their path.


I regularly win arguments with your "Atheists" as the foundation of my faith is logic. This idea that logic is some alien concept that does not apply to religion is stupid. Amazing part is that because it's about logic, you *can* win one with them. That said, I've yet to have an argument with a fundie that goes anywhere beyond "the bible says so!"...

If your "BELIEF" is well founded it should be defendable. But it needs to be internally consistent. It needs to have a logical backing. It needs to be well thought out. Many beliefs fail these tests and I'll point that crap out as blind faith in a belief that has no foundation other than "someone/something told me so!" is a very dangerous thing.

If you're a gnostic (atheist or theist) I'll debate you and win (well so long as you actually debate and have been exposed to formal logic...). The gnostic stance is logically untenable. The atheists you complain about fall in this category. So do the crazy fundies. IMO the fact that so many of the religious fall in this camp and have their beliefs built upon such a rocky foundation are why so many are so defensive and refuse to examine their beliefs.

If you're an agnostic (atheist or theist), then I'm likely ok with whatever you believe. Most agnostics have thought their beliefs out such that they're consistent and make sense.
 
2012-10-09 12:28:32 PM  
Well, now that atheism is the coolness, I guess I'm gonna have to buck the trend and go full Zoroastrian. All hail Creator Ahura Mazda!
 
2012-10-09 12:28:58 PM  
go team
 
2012-10-09 12:29:33 PM  
i89.photobucket.com
 
2012-10-09 12:30:34 PM  
Brothers and sisters, have you heard the news?
The storm has lifted and there's nothing to lose,
So swap your confirmation for your dancing shoes,
Because there never was no God.
Step out of the darkness and onto the streets,
Forget about the fast, let's have a carnival feast,
Raise up your lowered head to hear the liberation beat,
Because there never was no God.

There is no God,
So clap your hands together,
There is no God,
No heaven and no hell.
There is no God,
We're all in this together,
There is no God,
So ring that victory bell.

No cowering in the dark before these overbearing priests,
Not waiting until we die until we restitute the meek,
No blaming all our failings on imaginary beasts,
Because there never was no God.
No fighting over land your distant fathers told you of,
Not spilling blood for those who have never spread a drop of blood,
No finger pointing justified by fairies up above,
Because there never was no God.

There is no God,
So clap your hands together,
There is no God,
No heaven and no hell.
There is no God,
We're all in this together,
There is no God,
So ring that victory bell.

And I know you're scared of dieing man and I am too,
But just pretending it's not happening isn't gonna see us through,
So just accept that there's an end game and we haven't got much time,
And then in the here and now we can try and do things right.
Forget about the crazy things that people have believed,
And think of wondrous things that normal people have achieved,
'Cos I've known beauty in the stillness of cathedrals in the day,
I sang Glory Hallelujah! Won't you wash my sins away?
But now I'm singing my refrain and this is what I say,
I say there never was no God.

There is no God,
So clap your hands together,
There is no God,
No heaven and no hell.
There is no God,
We're all in this together,
There is no God,
So ring that victory bell.

--//FRANK TURNER//-- 
"Glory Hallelujah"
 
2012-10-09 12:31:35 PM  
Because there never was no God.


fail

quit reading right there
 
2012-10-09 12:31:39 PM  

The Wizard of Frobozz: ATHEISM IS NOT A RELIGION!!!

In the name of Darwin, Hitchens, & the Holy Dawkins...Amen.


If you go on and on about it like, say Bill Maher does, then yes, it is a religion.
 
2012-10-09 12:32:35 PM  
I wonder what CNN thinks about ignosticism...
 
2012-10-09 12:33:17 PM  
pew pew pew!


I'm sorry.. what? Atheists? Shrug.
 
2012-10-09 12:34:33 PM  

MadUncleEoin: vpb: Many people who attend church only go to keep their friends and family happy.

My mother wants me to bring myself, wife and 5 year old son to "bring a friend to church" next week. My wife refuses to go, and I'm more a-theist than she is. But I'm still trying to figure out how to get out of it without upsetting my mother.


No way to do that.
Be firm and tell her your family isn't interested and won't be in the future so quit asking.
More butthurt for her now = less for your family later.
Your family (wife and kids) are your primary responsibility.
 
2012-10-09 12:35:21 PM  

MadUncleEoin: vpb: Many people who attend church only go to keep their friends and family happy.

My mother wants me to bring myself, wife and 5 year old son to "bring a friend to church" next week. My wife refuses to go, and I'm more a-theist than she is. But I'm still trying to figure out how to get out of it without upsetting my mother.


Break your son's arm the Saturday before. His hospital stay will provide you with a convenient excuse.
 
2012-10-09 12:35:26 PM  

Khanmots: If you're a gnostic (atheist or theist) I'll debate you and win (well so long as you actually debate and have been exposed to formal logic...).


Really? ....I'm curious: What's your counter-argument to TAG, then? I'm interested in your answer using logic, so don't cheat and Google someone else's.
 
2012-10-09 12:39:32 PM  
Of the 3 or 4 online religious people who storm in to threads to troll atheists, 100% are Christian. It's probably because they use some variant of Pascal's Wager that causes such insecurity.

The other religions (Muslim, Jewishm, etc), they be all like "Don't beleive in God? Good, more heaven for me!"
 
2012-10-09 12:40:15 PM  

DontMakeMeComeBackThere: If you go on and on about it like, say Bill Maher does, then yes, it is a religion.


What in the fark definition of 'religion' are you using? Do outspoken atheists wear robes, perform rituals, have dogma, holy scriptures, etc?

This "I know you are but what am I" bullshiat has to stop.
 
2012-10-09 12:40:54 PM  

vactech: The other religions (Muslim, Jewishm, etc), they be all like "Don't beleive in God? Good, more heaven for me!"


Yeah, no Muslim ever harmed anyone because of their religion.
 
2012-10-09 12:41:07 PM  

Ishkur: Khanmots: If you're a gnostic (atheist or theist) I'll debate you and win (well so long as you actually debate and have been exposed to formal logic...).

Really? ....I'm curious: What's your counter-argument to TAG, then? I'm interested in your answer using logic, so don't cheat and Google someone else's.


Why bother? The TAG argument makes a huge "leap" while claiming to be logical, in that it assumes that, if the human mind didn't define logical absolutes, well, they must've been defined by a divine mind. That's just absurd - logical absolutes can simply be, without human or divine creation or intervention.

It's a dumb argument, and has been discounted for so long that even the Church ignores it, because it requires you to assume the premise that no knowledge can exist without a god. You can just as easily flip the entire notion and make the same assertions.
 
2012-10-09 12:43:25 PM  

stratagos: I don't particularly see the point in demonizing people who choose to have faith, even if I don't agree.


Because your next sentence includes a specific, critical error.

UntilWhen they get preachy or start enacting policies that negatively impact me...

There is no benefit to making up random magical shiat, but there is demonstrable, extraordinary harm. Any magical thinking is inherently destructive. History has proven this indisputable fact repeatedly, consistently, and to an extreme.

/ I now await the genius "b-b-b-but Stalin!" retort as if Stalin, or anybody else, ever killed anybody in the name of no god as opposed to just because he was a power-mad dickhead
// after all, because some people are power-mad maniacs who murder millions, it makes sense to create even more reasons for people to become power-mad maniacs who murder millions...
 
2012-10-09 12:44:03 PM  

Yakk: proteon: Unless you've never been to Reddit, I'm not sure this is trolling.

I wish Reddit would discover the religion of readable threads.


and the tenet of being visually appealing.
 
2012-10-09 12:44:03 PM  

MadUncleEoin: vpb: Many people who attend church only go to keep their friends and family happy.

My mother wants me to bring myself, wife and 5 year old son to "bring a friend to church" next week. My wife refuses to go, and I'm more a-theist than she is. But I'm still trying to figure out how to get out of it without upsetting my mother.


My wife is a true believer. She goes to church, teaches Sunday school, etc. I get Sunday mornings to myself. I still occasionally attend with her to make her happy, but I like lounging around in her underwear and watching what I want on tv for a change.
 
2012-10-09 12:44:08 PM  
Islam would be the actual fastest growing religion, at least in America.
 
2012-10-09 12:45:38 PM  

vactech: Of the 3 or 4 online religious people who storm in to threads to troll atheists, 100% are Christian. It's probably because they use some variant of Pascal's Wager that causes such insecurity.

The other religions (Muslim, Jewishm, etc), they be all like "Don't beleive in God? Good, more heaven for me!"


On this very heavily American site, sure.
I've been on sites that have a much more substantial Muslim presence, and they are anything BUT "Don't believe in God? Good, more heaven for me!"
 
2012-10-09 12:47:12 PM  

meat0918: had98c: Inflatable Rhetoric: SquiggsIN: On atheism, Sagan commented in 1981:

"An atheist is someone who is certain that God does not exist, someone who has compelling evidence against the existence of God. I know of no such compelling evidence. Because God can be relegated to remote times and places and to ultimate causes, we would have to know a great deal more about the universe than we do now to be sure that no such God exists. To be certain of the existence of God and to be certain of the nonexistence of God seem to me to be the confident extremes in a subject so riddled with doubt and uncertainty as to inspire very little confidence indeed".

The same is true for the Tooth Fairy, the Easter Bunny, and Santa.

Hey, at least we can see the Easter Bunny and Santa. So we know they exist. They're at the mall every spring and every December, respectively. Go look for yourself.

You know what!

[thumbnails.hulu.com image 512x288]


God is a schooner?
 
2012-10-09 12:47:55 PM  

Metaphysical Ham Sandwich: vactech: The other religions (Muslim, Jewishm, etc), they be all like "Don't beleive in God? Good, more heaven for me!"

Yeah, no Muslim ever harmed anyone because of their religion.


Hurt or kill yeah, but thread troll? No. That activity is exclusive to Christians.

//atheism is not a religion.
 
2012-10-09 12:50:13 PM  

IAMTHEINTARWEBS: MadUncleEoin: vpb: Many people who attend church only go to keep their friends and family happy.

My mother wants me to bring myself, wife and 5 year old son to "bring a friend to church" next week. My wife refuses to go, and I'm more a-theist than she is. But I'm still trying to figure out how to get out of it without upsetting my mother.

No way to do that.
Be firm and tell her your family isn't interested and won't be in the future so quit asking.
More butthurt for her now = less for your family later.
Your family (wife and kids) are your primary responsibility.


The best way I've heard this put is by my fiancee's minister. He said something along the lines of "This'll be hard for your parents. You're telling the whole world that your primary allegiance is now to your wife/husband instead of them." He said it better, though.
 
2012-10-09 12:50:41 PM  
Actually, bald IS a hairstyle. Most egg-bald guys shave their remaining hair to get that way.

If growing up surrounded by proselytizing evangelical Christians at school and throughout government prevents you from concluding that the supernatural doesn't exist, then you're just not that good an atheist.
 
2012-10-09 12:50:44 PM  

busy chillin': Because there never was no God.


fail

quit reading right there


It's poetic license. These are song lyrics, not an english term paper.

And it's Frank Turner, who in addition to being farking awesome, was, along with my gay friends, my inspiration to come out as an atheist to my parents recently.

But it's been a strange few weeks. Seems that for some people, Christian compassion ends at the church door, and faith is thicker than blood. I might be invited back home eventually.
 
2012-10-09 12:52:41 PM  

Khanmots: If you're a gnostic (atheist or theist) I'll debate you and win (well so long as you actually debate and have been exposed to formal logic...).


Well, no, you won't, necessarily. Unless you predefine your argument as requiring logical proof. If I roll a die, and I see the result and you don't, I can easily win an argument about the result of that roll, simply because I have first-hand knowledge and you don't. Any argument from you that it's impossible to know the result of the die roll would be silly.

The same could easily be claimed (and is claimed) by some religious people. They firmly believe that they've had first-hand encounters with God. Personally, I don't believe them, and perhaps you wouldn't either, but if they truly did, then they can accurately claim to be gnostic theists. And no logic from you could disprove that.

I think what you are claiming is that no gnostic can prove to anyone else that they are correct, which I would agree with.
 
kgf
2012-10-09 12:54:03 PM  

Spanky_McFarksalot: "The fastest growing "religious" group in America is made up of people with no religion at all..."

Not having a religion does not equal atheist, no matter how much atheists say it does.


Ahem. See if you can follow this.

a- = without, and theism = belief in a god, therefore atheism = no belief in a god

Since all religions have a god, and conversely the belief in a god is religion, then not having a religion = not having a god, therefore not having a religion = atheist

If someone believes in a god, but say they have no religion, they are wrong.
 
2012-10-09 12:55:22 PM  

Nuclear Monk: meat0918: had98c: Inflatable Rhetoric: SquiggsIN: On atheism, Sagan commented in 1981:

"An atheist is someone who is certain that God does not exist, someone who has compelling evidence against the existence of God. I know of no such compelling evidence. Because God can be relegated to remote times and places and to ultimate causes, we would have to know a great deal more about the universe than we do now to be sure that no such God exists. To be certain of the existence of God and to be certain of the nonexistence of God seem to me to be the confident extremes in a subject so riddled with doubt and uncertainty as to inspire very little confidence indeed".

The same is true for the Tooth Fairy, the Easter Bunny, and Santa.

Hey, at least we can see the Easter Bunny and Santa. So we know they exist. They're at the mall every spring and every December, respectively. Go look for yourself.

You know what!

[thumbnails.hulu.com image 512x288]

God is a schooner?


You dumb bastard.

God is a sailboat.
 
2012-10-09 12:56:10 PM  

Sticky Hands: I've been on sites that have a much more substantial Muslim presence, and they are anything BUT "Don't believe in God? Good, more heaven for me!"


Do they pull some pseudo philosophy? Strawman arguments? Endless debates of circular logic? If so, post the site. I bet there are lots of farkers in here who would like to mix it up a little and get some fresh theist blood to flame war with. But you're probably not talking about that sort of posting are you?
 
2012-10-09 12:56:18 PM  

Ishkur: Khanmots: If you're a gnostic (atheist or theist) I'll debate you and win (well so long as you actually debate and have been exposed to formal logic...).

Really? ....I'm curious: What's your counter-argument to TAG, then? I'm interested in your answer using logic, so don't cheat and Google someone else's.


Here's my counter argument. That's a load of horse shiat. The most convincing versions of that argument are like the one you linked to. They bog you down in awkward language and put in more small steps of logic than are needed to by the time you reach "If humans didn't make it, God must have" you're just skimming and waiting for the sweet release of death, so you miss the absurdity. The least convincing versions are upfront and honest about it, so the stupid is out there for everyone to see.

Why yes, bad logic presented as good does get me riled up, why would you ask?
 
2012-10-09 12:56:28 PM  
Homosexuality is a Learned Behaviour.
 
2012-10-09 12:56:33 PM  

FormlessOne: Ishkur: Khanmots: If you're a gnostic (atheist or theist) I'll debate you and win (well so long as you actually debate and have been exposed to formal logic...).

Really? ....I'm curious: What's your counter-argument to TAG, then? I'm interested in your answer using logic, so don't cheat and Google someone else's.

Why bother? The TAG argument makes a huge "leap" while claiming to be logical, in that it assumes that, if the human mind didn't define logical absolutes, well, they must've been defined by a divine mind. That's just absurd - logical absolutes can simply be, without human or divine creation or intervention.

It's a dumb argument, and has been discounted for so long that even the Church ignores it, because it requires you to assume the premise that no knowledge can exist without a god. You can just as easily flip the entire notion and make the same assertions.


A lot of this.

On a side note you might want to read up on Godel's incompleteness theorems.
 
2012-10-09 12:57:03 PM  

Vegan Meat Popsicle: stratagos: I don't particularly see the point in demonizing people who choose to have faith, even if I don't agree.

Because your next sentence includes a specific, critical error.

UntilWhen they get preachy or start enacting policies that negatively impact me...

There is no benefit to making up random magical shiat, but there is demonstrable, extraordinary harm. Any magical thinking is inherently destructive. History has proven this indisputable fact repeatedly, consistently, and to an extreme.
/i>

Well, your premise is false, because religious mythology =/= making up random shiat. Religious explanations of natural phenomena had to serve for milennia before science came along to discover better explanations. What have religions ever done for us, other than creating cities and mass irrigation, bonding together warring tribes into nation-states, providing emotionally gripping narratives to codify universal moral truths and altruistic practices, and providing psychological counseling in the face of grief, death and other trauma?

 
2012-10-09 12:58:07 PM  

letrole: Homosexuality is a Learned Behaviour.


Took long enough.
 
2012-10-09 12:58:20 PM  

kgf: Spanky_McFarksalot: "The fastest growing "religious" group in America is made up of people with no religion at all..."

Not having a religion does not equal atheist, no matter how much atheists say it does.

Ahem. See if you can follow this.

a- = without, and theism = belief in a god, therefore atheism = no belief in a god

Since all religions have a god, and conversely the belief in a god is religion, then not having a religion = not having a god, therefore not having a religion = atheist

If someone believes in a god, but say they have no religion, they are wrong.


As an atheist... Fark you are wrong. First off, there are multiple religions without god(s). Second, the believe in god does not automatically create a religion. And thirdly, not having a religion does not mean you don't believe in god(s).
 
2012-10-09 12:58:20 PM  

kgf: Since all religions have a god


Not really, no. Try Unitarian Universalism or (as I understand it) Buddhism.
 
2012-10-09 12:58:30 PM  

letrole: Homosexuality is a Learned Behaviour.


Had to choose something different because the headline stole your thunder?
 
2012-10-09 12:58:42 PM  

SquiggsIN: IAMTHEINTARWEBS: Buttknuckle:
Atheism is a belief system and therefore a religion.

you had me until you said atheism is a belief system. it's actually the ABSENCE of a belief system. it's a LACK of structure/order/dogma/religion.

/agnostic and antitheist



athesim is a belief system. you cannot, at the current time, disprove the existence of gods
if you hold that there is no god then that is an unprovable belief.

and to cite other sources that atheism is a belief system..
wikipedia: Atheism is, in a broad sense, the rejection of belief in the existence of deities.[1][2] In a narrower sense, atheism is specifically the position that there are no deities

dictionary . com:atheism 1.the doctrine or belief that there is no God. 2.disbelief in the existence of a supreme being or beings.
Mirriem Webster online atheism:a : a disbelief in the existence of deity
b : the doctrine that there is no deity

Atheism is defined by belief
 
2012-10-09 01:00:39 PM  

HotWingConspiracy: It's like any other business, people are just getting bored with the product.

A slick marketing campaign might help. Offer some new incentives, maybe roll back restrictions.


Instead of Jesus always being depicted in the same old boring ways (in a desert surrounded by kids or people eating fish and bread, hanging from a cross, eating food with some apostles at a fancy, boring dinner) why not show him in new and exciting ways? Riding in a standing position on the backs of dolphins, using his robe as a sail on his cross to go skydiving, chugging mountain dew atop mount everest and surrounded by ninjas with guitars. I just think Jesus could be much better marketed.
 
2012-10-09 01:02:09 PM  

stink factor: HotWingConspiracy: It's like any other business, people are just getting bored with the product.

A slick marketing campaign might help. Offer some new incentives, maybe roll back restrictions.

Instead of Jesus always being depicted in the same old boring ways (in a desert surrounded by kids or people eating fish and bread, hanging from a cross, eating food with some apostles at a fancy, boring dinner) why not show him in new and exciting ways? Riding in a standing position on the backs of dolphins, using his robe as a sail on his cross to go skydiving, chugging mountain dew atop mount everest and surrounded by ninjas with guitars. I just think Jesus could be much better marketed.


Been done.

thecityslacker.com
 
2012-10-09 01:03:21 PM  
 
2012-10-09 01:03:49 PM  

HotWingConspiracy: It's like any other business, people are just getting bored with the product.

A slick marketing campaign might help. Offer some new incentives, maybe roll back restrictions.


upload.wikimedia.org
 
2012-10-09 01:03:52 PM  

rolladuck: But it's been a strange few weeks. Seems that for some people, Christian compassion ends at the church door, and faith is thicker than blood. I might be invited back home eventually.


As I have have taken to saying, I may have left Christianity for evidence reasons, but all the stuff that happened after I left made damn sure I wouldn't be tempted to return for "emotional fulfillment" or "community." Would buy you a beer if you were in the same state.

/ brofist
 
2012-10-09 01:04:19 PM  
Ugh. Mucked up the html again. You'd think I'd learn to use "preview" by now... *sigh*
 
2012-10-09 01:04:37 PM  
Crap. Too slow.
 
2012-10-09 01:05:12 PM  

Buttknuckle: I have come to realize something in the past couple years...

Atheists who look down upon others for their religious beliefs are arrogant. You cannot win an argument with an Atheist, because it is about logic. Religion is about BELIEF. There is so much we don't know out there and to assume that we as humans are "it" is arrogant as hell, IMHO. But it really bothers me when Atheists look down on those who get happiness and serenity in their lives with religion. Of course, this is contingent on the fact that they are not religious nutjobs trying to convert everyone in their path.


Actually, what's "arrogant as hell" is assuming that there's a magical sky fairy who created you, gave you dominion over the earth, and gives a fark about you.

The reality is, humans are not "it". There's a whole universe out there, and humans are but a tiny part of it. You aren't amazing or special or chosen. In the big picture, you are nothing. So, enjoy life while you've got it - nothing but the void awaits.
 
2012-10-09 01:06:21 PM  

DontMakeMeComeBackThere: The Wizard of Frobozz: ATHEISM IS NOT A RELIGION!!!

In the name of Darwin, Hitchens, & the Holy Dawkins...Amen.

If you go on and on about it like, say Bill Maher does, then yes, it is a religion.


So if you make money off of it that pushes it into the realm of religions? Interesting.
 
2012-10-09 01:06:38 PM  

FormlessOne: Why bother?


Because of all the Apologetics arguments I've heard, TAG is absolutely glorious in its rock-solid certainty. It's almost pure, raw, theoretical poetry how it is wrong for the same reasons it thinks it is right. And the whole purpose of TAG is not to actually prove anything, but to win arguments. It's like a loophole or technicality that lawyers often bring up in courtrooms, using the preferred wording of a phrase or clause to assert something that it wasn't intending.

We all know it's wrong. But how it's wrong is what's so fascinating about it. I love hearing people's explanations.
 
2012-10-09 01:06:49 PM  
Unaffiliated. Just because I don't identify with a particular gang doesn't make me not thuglife.
 
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