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2012-10-09 11:40:56 AM  

SquiggsIN: I hope every day to wake up to a world that has abandoned the crutch of religion. We, as a species, will never progress to anywhere near our potential until we stop using religion to answer our questions.

Religious people can be wonderful people but, we all know that not all are. More people have been killed in the name of a deity than for any other reason in history.


Newsflash: People will kill each other over anything. Religion ceases to exist, it'll be nationality, race, political affiliation, economic status, property, tribe, PC or mac, Android or Apple, etc.

/tribalism is the problem, religion is a symptom
 
2012-10-09 11:43:11 AM  

Ishkur: People may be falling out with religion, and they may even claim that they are atheists, but that still doesn't stop them from believing in complete nonsense.

The human predilection for being a special and unique property of the the Universe is as strong as ever. It's just been shifted from organized religion to spirituality -- everything from energy auras and chakras to ley lines and feng shui, ESP and psychics, homeopathy, paranormal existences, belief in ghosts/vampires/werewolves/angels, reincarnation, tai chi/yoga/meditation/mindfulness/Buddhism, astrology, miracles/premonition/prophecy, indigo children, the Mayan calendar, the coming Age of Aquarius and anything that reeks of "New Age" (which includes everything from the Celestine Prophecy to What the Bleep Do We Know).

Sure, religion is declining. But supernaturalism is as strong as ever. I blame education.


I highlighted a few holes in your argument. Being an atheist means rejecting "spirituality" and all of the mumbo-jumbo that comes with it.

In the article it is stated that there are now 33 million Americans who have no religion, but they also state that of that group, fewer than half (13 million) are atheists. No people who "claim that they are atheists" believe in the superstition crap you listed above.
 
2012-10-09 11:43:18 AM  

had98c: sn82: HotWingConspiracy: It's like any other business, people are just getting bored with the product.

A slick marketing campaign might help. Offer some new incentives, maybe roll back restrictions.

I would think doing the same routine for a years time is boring. Every Sunday morning go to church... and for what? To have a person give you their opinions and philosophies no matter how f*cked up they are. Even then, after you go to church you go back to your sinner ways. Pfffttt!!!

The product doesn't work or sell.

Not really much different than hanging out on Fark reading people's opinions and philosophies no matter how screwy they are.


See! At least you can do this without pants on in the privacy of your own home.
 
2012-10-09 11:44:20 AM  

vpb: Pocket Ninja: Actually, they said that the fastest growing group is the religiously "unaffiliated," over half of whom still attend church and/or consider themselves "spiritual" and would certainly not label themselves as atheists. Although since there is no group easier to troll than online atheists, your headline will work just fine, subby.

I don't know. Many people who attend church only go to keep their friends and family happy.


I went to church because I was farking the piano player. We split up, I stopped going.
 
2012-10-09 11:45:11 AM  
Moderator, did Letrole submit this?
 
2012-10-09 11:45:29 AM  

SquiggsIN: "An atheist is someone who is certain that God does not exist, someone who has compelling evidence against the existence of God. I know of no such compelling evidence. Because God can be relegated to remote times and places and to ultimate causes, we would have to know a great deal more about the universe than we do now to be sure that no such God exists. To be certain of the existence of God and to be certain of the nonexistence of God seem to me to be the confident extremes in a subject so riddled with doubt and uncertainty as to inspire very little confidence indeed".


Thanks wikipAedia.


Sagan also said:

The idea that God is an oversized white male with a flowing beard who sits in the sky and tallies the fall of every sparrow is ludicrous. But if by God one means the set of physical laws that govern the universe, then clearly there is such a God. This God is emotionally unsatisfying... it does not make much sense to pray to the law of gravity.
 
2012-10-09 11:46:16 AM  
Happy to find out the other day that my smart daughter is also atheist. As well as many of her friends. And she's not even included in this survey because she's under 18. We had a good conversation about how every religion in the world thinks it's the TRUE ONE and how if that's true then most of them are wrong and they are just arrogant and stupid to be fighting each other over a book. We also discussed the basic tenants of religion, treating everyone as your brother and how many of them fail that test a well.

/You don't need to be afraid of anything to be good, in fact it's fear that seems to fuel the hatred of man
//Any religion that basis its' reason on fear of eternal damnation is a flawed theory at best, and a pox on man at worst
 
2012-10-09 11:48:08 AM  

Coder: Inflatable Rhetoric: Coder: Why is it that we care more about debating if atheism fits the definition of religion then about whether or not god actually exists or if faith makes any sense? Talk about missing the point.

The point is pointless. There's no reason to believe there's a god, emphasis on REASON.

There's plenty of reasons to believe in God, they're just flawed reasons. That people shouldn't believe because of these flawed reasons is an important topic. Arguing about which word fits what category is less important.


What will be accomplished? Will one person change their opinion?

By "reason," I meant things that make sense, are reasonable. Belief in god(s) is not reasonable, any more than belief in the Tooth Fairy.

If you could argue with religious people, there would be no religious people.
 
2012-10-09 11:50:35 AM  

Cubicle Jockey: Monday, December 26 - Christmas Day

Only Christmas is specifically religious.


And it was stolen from the Pagans/Astro-religious. I told her about that as well and the significance of the winter solstice which I still celebrate. If we worshiped this great world/universe we live in and the beauty and wonder that our life is then we would be happy, if not for the virgin or two that we would have to sacrifice.
 
2012-10-09 11:51:18 AM  

MadUncleEoin: vpb: Many people who attend church only go to keep their friends and family happy.

My mother wants me to bring myself, wife and 5 year old son to "bring a friend to church" next week. My wife refuses to go, and I'm more a-theist than she is. But I'm still trying to figure out how to get out of it without upsetting my mother.


how about you tell your mother no, and not make your wife be stressed by her mother in law
 
2012-10-09 11:51:47 AM  
CSB:

last summer i was slapped at a cookout by a heavily intoxicated proclaimed atheist. and it was due to a statement that was similar to subby's troll. i said that atheism and religious fundamentalism were identical in the sense that they both seem to have a cognitive bias regarding an unwillingness to change their opinion despite not being able to prove the other's belief false.

cue logic soaked atheism speech.

then i took it one step further and said they were both identical in the sense that they seem to get real worked up when someone doesn't have a desire to share their beliefs, and almost to the point of anger.

/slap
//confusion
///asked for it
 
2012-10-09 11:51:59 AM  
Religion = people who believe in something they can't see, can't prove.

Atheists = people who believe that the everything we know came from nothing in some kind of big bang. That this something that came from nothing somehow changed and "evolved" into a single cellular living being that had a system for respiring, digesting, eliminating waste and reproducing? Wow. That alone is a lot of faith. It goes on though. they believe that somehow this something that came from nothing and got life and systems evolved into a multicelular being that had all the above functions. It goes on from there, but it gets to crazy to put down in writing.

People laugh at religions people who believe in a God, and Creator. Think about how funny these people are. They certainly have a weird religion.
 
2012-10-09 11:53:01 AM  
I thought they've tried their hand at trolling 365 days a year? Oh wait, this time it's personal
 
2012-10-09 11:53:41 AM  

Inflatable Rhetoric: If you could argue with religious people, there would be no religious people.


You can argue with them all the time. It's pretty easy to get it started sometimes, too. For instance...

Anyone who is religious is a brain dead zombie, blindly following the orders of a child molesting Pope and personally responsible for every atrocity committed throughout history.

If you want to convince them that they shouldn't be religious, you're on your own. I suggest simply arguing that you shouldn't be forced to follow the precepts of their religion. That tends to have more success and cause less gnashing of teeth on both sides.
 
2012-10-09 11:53:46 AM  

Space_Poet: Happy to find out the other day that my smart daughter is also atheist. As well as many of her friends. And she's not even included in this survey because she's under 18. We had a good conversation about how every religion in the world thinks it's the TRUE ONE and how if that's true then most of them are wrong and they are just arrogant and stupid to be fighting each other over a book. We also discussed the basic tenants of religion, treating everyone as your brother and how many of them fail that test a well.

/You don't need to be afraid of anything to be good, in fact it's fear that seems to fuel the hatred of man
//Any religion that basis its' reason on fear of eternal damnation is a flawed theory at best, and a pox on man at worst


I think you skipped over what makes all religion evil (categorically)-
Every religion is based entirely on one man's word that people should obey his whims because a magical creature told him a secret.

Think of it-
Jesus pretended that an invisible fellow told him that we should abandon our families and worship him and do his bidding.
Muhammad pretended that an invisible fellow told him that women are objects and we should kill people who piss us off.
Moses pretended that an invisible fellow told him that making statues was wrong and that we should kill people who do so.
Etc, etc.

All religion is based on hearsay from dead a$$holes who pretended that they were inspired by an invisible being that doesn't exist. And all of them have become even greater conduits for evil as evil men have added their thoughts over the years. (Also inspired from hearsay from invisible mythical creatures whispering in their ears).
 
2012-10-09 11:53:58 AM  

Inflatable Rhetoric: Coder: Inflatable Rhetoric: Coder: Why is it that we care more about debating if atheism fits the definition of religion then about whether or not god actually exists or if faith makes any sense? Talk about missing the point.

The point is pointless. There's no reason to believe there's a god, emphasis on REASON.

There's plenty of reasons to believe in God, they're just flawed reasons. That people shouldn't believe because of these flawed reasons is an important topic. Arguing about which word fits what category is less important.

What will be accomplished? Will one person change their opinion?

By "reason," I meant things that make sense, are reasonable. Belief in god(s) is not reasonable, any more than belief in the Tooth Fairy.

If you could argue with religious people, there would be no religious people.


Okay, but if that's pointless, how much more pointless is it to debate whether or not atheism is a religion or not? What the hell does that solve?
 
2012-10-09 11:53:59 AM  

Inflatable Rhetoric: HotWingConspiracy: It's like any other business, people are just getting bored with the product.

What is the product?


A warm bed in heaven with your own personal harp player? 72 virgins? A conversation with Gonesh?
 
2012-10-09 11:54:27 AM  
i.imgur.com
 
2012-10-09 11:54:30 AM  
Once you label yourself "Atheist", you're back where you started as a member of a "religion"...
 
2012-10-09 11:54:40 AM  

jonawald: Religion = people who believe in something they can't see, can't prove.

Atheists = people who believe that the everything we know came from nothing in some kind of big bang. That this something that came from nothing somehow changed and "evolved" into a single cellular living being that had a system for respiring, digesting, eliminating waste and reproducing? Wow. That alone is a lot of faith. It goes on though. they believe that somehow this something that came from nothing and got life and systems evolved into a multicelular being that had all the above functions. It goes on from there, but it gets to crazy to put down in writing.

People laugh at religions people who believe in a God, and Creator. Think about how funny these people are. They certainly have a weird religion.


This one was pretty good. Good job.
 
2012-10-09 11:56:24 AM  
Memo to all the foaming-at-the-mouth atheists: what you believe (or don't believe in) is fine with me. Freedom OF religion and Freedom FROM religion are two separate things. When you go all Madalyn Murray O'Hair and take great joy in trying to ruin everyone else's good time by trying to purge everything religious, that's when it sticks in my craw.
 
2012-10-09 11:56:58 AM  

This Is Bold Text: [i.imgur.com image 474x800]


I like that the next letter seems to suggest that what we really need is a relaxing day at the lake. Seems like a sound suggestion to me.
 
2012-10-09 11:57:02 AM  

Leeds: Ishkur: People may be falling out with religion, and they may even claim that they are atheists, but that still doesn't stop them from believing in complete nonsense.

The human predilection for being a special and unique property of the the Universe is as strong as ever. It's just been shifted from organized religion to spirituality -- everything from energy auras and chakras to ley lines and feng shui, ESP and psychics, homeopathy, paranormal existences, belief in ghosts/vampires/werewolves/angels, reincarnation, tai chi/yoga/meditation/mindfulness/Buddhism, astrology, miracles/premonition/prophecy, indigo children, the Mayan calendar, the coming Age of Aquarius and anything that reeks of "New Age" (which includes everything from the Celestine Prophecy to What the Bleep Do We Know).

Sure, religion is declining. But supernaturalism is as strong as ever. I blame education.

I highlighted a few holes in your argument. Being an atheist means rejecting "spirituality" and all of the mumbo-jumbo that comes with it.

In the article it is stated that there are now 33 million Americans who have no religion, but they also state that of that group, fewer than half (13 million) are atheists. No people who "claim that they are atheists" believe in the superstition crap you listed above.


So you believe that all atheists think as you do? Interesting.

Tell me about Scotsmen you know.

// I always find it interesting how many people form their opinions - belief or no, "informed" or no - around the same glaring logical fallacies that everyone else falls prey to
// you're not special, so at least allow for the possibility you're wrong
 
2012-10-09 11:57:04 AM  
Ah yes, the thread where 'not believing in magic' is an extreme position.
 
2012-10-09 11:57:04 AM  

sn82: I would think doing the same routine for a years time is boring. Every Sunday morning go to church... and for what? To have a person give you their opinions and philosophies no matter how f*cked up they are. Even then, after you go to church you go back to your sinner ways. Pfffttt!!!The product doesn't work or se


Honestly so many folks go to churches these days as a social thing, i doubt they even realize there's a sermon going on or what the preacher said.

that and too many of the preachers are about filling butts in a seat, and not about teaching, and or ministering to their congregation anyhow

c'mon down to the megachurch this sundays extravaganza will have a circus outside
 
2012-10-09 11:57:15 AM  

Coder: Inflatable Rhetoric: Coder: Inflatable Rhetoric: Coder: Why is it that we care more about debating if atheism fits the definition of religion then about whether or not god actually exists or if faith makes any sense? Talk about missing the point.

The point is pointless. There's no reason to believe there's a god, emphasis on REASON.

There's plenty of reasons to believe in God, they're just flawed reasons. That people shouldn't believe because of these flawed reasons is an important topic. Arguing about which word fits what category is less important.

What will be accomplished? Will one person change their opinion?

By "reason," I meant things that make sense, are reasonable. Belief in god(s) is not reasonable, any more than belief in the Tooth Fairy.

If you could argue with religious people, there would be no religious people.

Okay, but if that's pointless, how much more pointless is it to debate whether or not atheism is a religion or not? What the hell does that solve?


So now it's which waste of time is more pointless than the other? We need to get that settled, it's important.
 
2012-10-09 11:57:21 AM  

CrappityCrap: Atheism may as well be a religion. Sure acts like one. They're utterly convinced they're right and everyone else is wrong. They do whatever they can to get more people to think just like them, and when you challenge their beliefs the farktardism commences.


Anybody who honestly wants to base their view of the world on reason and observation would be inclined to change their minds were there any reason to.

I am up for re-evaluating my position that there is no supreme being monitoring our day-to-day lives and arbitrarily dispensing justice invisible, without ever revealing itself in an unequivocal manner, while leaving red herrings all over the place in an attempt to convince thinking people that it doesn't exist. I just need some kind of evidence that this is the case, and there isn't any.

It follows that if you aren't presenting evidence to an atheist, you aren't really "challenging his beliefs," you're just preaching -- usually, as you are, calling him a "farktard" for not taking your word for it that this being exists and requires our unthinking worship. Any response is dismissed by you as "farktardism."

"Reason is the enemy of faith," said Martin Luther, and rightly so. I can't imagine how annoying it must be to a religious person.
 
2012-10-09 11:58:28 AM  

I May Be Crazy But...: Inflatable Rhetoric: If you could argue with religious people, there would be no religious people.

You can argue with them all the time. It's pretty easy to get it started sometimes, too. For instance...

Anyone who is religious is a brain dead zombie, blindly following the orders of a child molesting Pope and personally responsible for every atrocity committed throughout history.

If you want to convince them that they shouldn't be religious, you're on your own. I suggest simply arguing that you shouldn't be forced to follow the precepts of their religion. That tends to have more success and cause less gnashing of teeth on both sides.


wouldn't that only work on catholics

or does it get some protestants pissed off cause you imply they follow the church?
 
2012-10-09 11:59:54 AM  

Rurouni: Once you label yourself "Atheist", you're back where you started as a member of a "religion"...


Awful.

0/10
 
2012-10-09 12:01:43 PM  
Just because you believe in God dose not mean you have to believe in the assclowns that hold out there hands and say, "In Gods name give us your money".
 
2012-10-09 12:03:19 PM  

SquiggsIN: I May Be Crazy But...: This Is Bold Text: [i.imgur.com image 474x800]

I like that the next letter seems to suggest that what we really need is a relaxing day at the lake. Seems like a sound suggestion to me.

read that again.. from line 1 it looks like a sarcastic attempt at telling people to keep fishing because overfishing isn't a problem when it actually is.


or you finish it "...until all the maniacs stop frothing at the mouth and scaring away the fish." And I like that version.
 
2012-10-09 12:03:38 PM  
www.thecriticalcondition.com
Wanted For Questioning
 
2012-10-09 12:03:53 PM  

Leeds: All religion is based on hearsay from dead a$$holes who pretended that they were inspired by an invisible being that doesn't exist. And all of them have become even greater conduits for evil as evil men have added their thoughts over the years. (Also inspired from hearsay from invisible mythical creatures whispering in their ears).


Mostly agree, I tend to see those that manipulate the masses for power the main problem. Jesus was more of a follow my example kind of guy and for that I like the thought of "him", hell, he didn't even bother to write a book, he just led the good life. Now, that invisible being to me is the inner voice, some may hear it others not so much, some will call it god and some will call it intuition. Jesus seemed to be the latter, those in power see it as the former because when you can claim you talk to god then you can force your will on others. This is an age old trick and man being man we are lured in by the tricksters. It takes intelligence to see through the play and say, "Hey, there may be a god, who knows, but we should concentrate on being good people which is the core message of our inner voice." But unfortunately that doesn't garner power, hence 1000's of years of manipulation, death, fear, and wasted potential. The digital age of man is going to fundamentally change this, thankfully.
 
2012-10-09 12:04:59 PM  

loonatic112358: I May Be Crazy But...: Inflatable Rhetoric: If you could argue with religious people, there would be no religious people.

You can argue with them all the time. It's pretty easy to get it started sometimes, too. For instance...

Anyone who is religious is a brain dead zombie, blindly following the orders of a child molesting Pope and personally responsible for every atrocity committed throughout history.

If you want to convince them that they shouldn't be religious, you're on your own. I suggest simply arguing that you shouldn't be forced to follow the precepts of their religion. That tends to have more success and cause less gnashing of teeth on both sides.

wouldn't that only work on catholics

or does it get some protestants pissed off cause you imply they follow the church?


Bet you a dollar it'd piss off folks who aren't even Christian to tell them that they're tainted by scandals in the Catholic Church.
 
2012-10-09 12:06:28 PM  
I'm agnostic. But some days I give thanks to something and some days I ask for grace and guidance. Some days I am just amazed by how kick ass the universe is. I am super blessed and when I say it/think it if something/someone hears me and gives a sh*t, well then I want them to know I think it is really cool.


and if not, oh well.
 
2012-10-09 12:08:41 PM  

loonatic112358: sn82: I would think doing the same routine for a years time is boring. Every Sunday morning go to church... and for what? To have a person give you their opinions and philosophies no matter how f*cked up they are. Even then, after you go to church you go back to your sinner ways. Pfffttt!!!The product doesn't work or se

Honestly so many folks go to churches these days as a social thing, i doubt they even realize there's a sermon going on or what the preacher said.

that and too many of the preachers are about filling butts in a seat, and not about teaching, and or ministering to their congregation anyhow

c'mon down to the megachurch this sundays extravaganza will have a circus outside


I grew-up going to Baptist church as a kid. I didn't care about sitting there but only what we were having for lunch.

In my early 20's went to one. This place was full of brainwashing hypocrites. I haven't looked back, but I have been to one "megachurch" near my apartment and it's not half bad. They're not as preachy as these other people and they DO teach you and guide you through life.

Religion is definitely not for everybody and I'm still agnostic, but I don't think I will ever be atheist.
 
2012-10-09 12:09:49 PM  

mjohnson71: Memo to all the foaming-at-the-mouth atheists: what you believe (or don't believe in) is fine with me. Freedom OF religion and Freedom FROM religion are two separate things. When you go all Madalyn Murray O'Hair and take great joy in trying to ruin everyone else's good time by trying to purge everything religious, that's when it sticks in my craw.


Yeah, your sooooooooooo persecuted, foamy.
 
2012-10-09 12:12:31 PM  
FTA:: Nearly 42% religious unaffiliated people from that age group identified as atheist or agnostic, a number far greater than the number who identified as Christian (18%) of Catholic (18%).

So what they are saying is that nearly 1 out of 5 "religious unaffiliated" people identified themselves as Catholic? And that level of stupidity wasn't the lead for the story?
 
2012-10-09 12:15:01 PM  
Sometimes people like to spend time analyzing and dissecting the behavior of groups or people to be critical because doing so keeps them from inspecting their own lives.
 
2012-10-09 12:17:48 PM  

mjohnson71: Freedom OF religion and Freedom FROM religion are two separate things.


Please to explain how an agnostic retains freedom of religion if not by expressing freedom from religion. If agnostic taxpayers do not want public funds/efforts behind religious efforts, who are religious people to say otherwise?

Imagine if one religious group got all hot and bothered because of what a different (or, more lulzy, the same) religious group was doing on the public's dime - which freedom of religion wins? The agnostic (and an agnostic government) says "Neither of you. Go home and think about what you've done, or better - have your event privately-funded. Perhaps with tithings or charity donations you're always accepting from the Godly people in your flock."
 
2012-10-09 12:18:32 PM  

SquiggsIN: Bhruic: FTA:: Nearly 42% religious unaffiliated people from that age group identified as atheist or agnostic, a number far greater than the number who identified as Christian (18%) of Catholic (18%).

So what they are saying is that nearly 1 out of 5 "religious unaffiliated" people identified themselves as Catholic? And that level of stupidity wasn't the lead for the story?

reading comprehension. not yours.


Oh, either way of reading it is understandable. Reading it the way you and I did is more charitable, but not as funny.
 
2012-10-09 12:19:15 PM  

SquiggsIN: everything in your 2nd paragraph can be explained by looking at the human brain like a computer.


Actually, its easier to explain the human brain evolution-wise: The tendency toward false positive assertions, ego centrism, the drive to preserve the self/species, social intercourse, and so on. Computers don't reproduce or evolve (at least, not yet), so I don't like to make that comparison. Software and wetware operate via different mechanisms.
 
2012-10-09 12:19:53 PM  
We're in the information era now. Let religion die on the vine. There's no need to ever even talk about it now.
 
2012-10-09 12:20:12 PM  

had98c: Inflatable Rhetoric: SquiggsIN: On atheism, Sagan commented in 1981:

"An atheist is someone who is certain that God does not exist, someone who has compelling evidence against the existence of God. I know of no such compelling evidence. Because God can be relegated to remote times and places and to ultimate causes, we would have to know a great deal more about the universe than we do now to be sure that no such God exists. To be certain of the existence of God and to be certain of the nonexistence of God seem to me to be the confident extremes in a subject so riddled with doubt and uncertainty as to inspire very little confidence indeed".

The same is true for the Tooth Fairy, the Easter Bunny, and Santa.

Hey, at least we can see the Easter Bunny and Santa. So we know they exist. They're at the mall every spring and every December, respectively. Go look for yourself.


You know what!

thumbnails.hulu.com
 
2012-10-09 12:20:47 PM  

Coder: Vegan Meat Popsicle: Coder: /Agnosticism is for people who don't understand probability

No, it's for people who take it too literally.

True enough. I was thinking of agnostics as the on-the-fence 50/50 crowd. Those of us who know that God and Russel's Tea Pot can't be 'disproved' but still understand how they're made up, are atheists. 100% statistical guarantee not required.

/unlike the faithful, who suddenly require the highest standard of proof mathematically possible.


You are making a pair of incorrect assumptions

a - agnostics are 50/50 on the fence
b - an agnostic who does not find the current crop of religious beliefs to be compelling is unwilling to concede that there may be some 'God' out there.

I don't particularly see the point in demonizing people who choose to have faith, even if I don't agree. Until they get preachy or start enacting policies that negatively impact me, it's of no more impact than what football team they like.
 
2012-10-09 12:20:58 PM  

miscreant: I haven't seen a detailed explanation of theist vs. atheist and gnostic vs. agnostic yet and how they differ yet in this thread. Fark, I am disappoint.


Fine. Im an Agnostic Theist. Happy?
 
2012-10-09 12:21:19 PM  

Buttknuckle: I have come to realize something in the past couple years...

Atheists who look down upon others for their religious beliefs are arrogant. You cannot win an argument with an Atheist, because it is about logic. Religion is about BELIEF.



No, atheists who look down on others for their beliefs are hypocrits.

Agnosticism is about logic. It is impossible with current knowledge and measuring systems to prove if there is or is not a diety. That is scientifically sound reasoning.

Atheists BELIEVE that there is no diety and that is just as unsound a scientific position as is belief in a diety.

Atheism is a belief system and therefore a religion.
 
2012-10-09 12:21:31 PM  

Inflatable Rhetoric: Coder: Inflatable Rhetoric: Coder: Inflatable Rhetoric: Coder: Why is it that we care more about debating if atheism fits the definition of religion then about whether or not god actually exists or if faith makes any sense? Talk about missing the point.

The point is pointless. There's no reason to believe there's a god, emphasis on REASON.

There's plenty of reasons to believe in God, they're just flawed reasons. That people shouldn't believe because of these flawed reasons is an important topic. Arguing about which word fits what category is less important.

What will be accomplished? Will one person change their opinion?

By "reason," I meant things that make sense, are reasonable. Belief in god(s) is not reasonable, any more than belief in the Tooth Fairy.

If you could argue with religious people, there would be no religious people.

Okay, but if that's pointless, how much more pointless is it to debate whether or not atheism is a religion or not? What the hell does that solve?

So now it's which waste of time is more pointless than the other? We need to get that settled, it's important.


Well, having seen converts, I'm not convinced the religion debate is pointless. But even if it was, you seem to be defending the dictionary debate
 
2012-10-09 12:23:01 PM  

Leeds: No people who "claim that they are atheists" believe in the superstition crap you listed above.


Actually, quite a deal many of the new generation say exactly that: They are atheists, as they understand it to mean they don't believe in (the Judeo-Christian) God. Yet they happily adhere to superstition, spiritual healing, mindfulness and other claptrap.

That is not a contradiction. Atheism is disbelief in a God. It says nothing about whether one accepts the existence of supernatural forces.
 
2012-10-09 12:24:53 PM  

Matrix Flavored Wasabi: SquiggsIN: I hope every day to wake up to a world that has abandoned the crutch of religion. We, as a species, will never progress to anywhere near our potential until we stop using religion to answer our questions.

Religious people can be wonderful people but, we all know that not all are. More people have been killed in the name of a deity than for any other reason in history.

Newsflash: People will kill each other over anything. Religion ceases to exist, it'll be nationality, race, political affiliation, economic status, property, tribe, PC or mac, Android or Apple, etc.

/tribalism is the problem, religion is a symptom


Or certainty and fear. If I am certain I am right, and you believe differently, you must be proven wrong. Gnostic Atheists fall into this trap just as easily as the worst of the God Pimps.

Religion, sports, whatever. Some people feel threatened by others thinking or acting differently from what they need to be certain is Right.
 
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