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2012-10-09 02:17:25 PM
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I'm gonna knock you out! Papa said knock you out!
 
2012-10-09 02:19:29 PM

Mishno: The Norks have Nike Hercules?

[news.bbcimg.co.uk image 304x171]


Think that one belongs to Worst Korea. Look at the buildings in the background.
 
2012-10-09 02:20:53 PM

Smoking GNU: Fribble: [4.bp.blogspot.com image 700x874]

Particularly useful against an invasion force.

What the heck are those supposed to be?


MIRV's during reentry.
 
2012-10-09 02:21:37 PM

Smoking GNU: Fribble: [4.bp.blogspot.com image 700x874]

Particularly useful against an invasion force.

What the heck are those supposed to be?


Peacekeeper, although it is not in service anymore.
 
2012-10-09 02:21:47 PM

Smoking GNU: Fribble: [4.bp.blogspot.com image 700x874]

Particularly useful against an invasion force.

What the heck are those supposed to be?


MIRV: When you absolutely, positively, need to re-demilitarize a remilitarized demilitarized zone.
 
2012-10-09 02:28:22 PM

KarmicDisaster: I'm more concerned about some scenario where the NK generals lose control or launch an accidental attack. For example, there is some speculation that the sinking of the SK patrol boat was actually done by a faction that was angry over SK encroachment on special crab fishing rights granted to some of the generals..


Well, there again, NK has far more to worry about from it's Southern neighbor than it does from us, really. Accidental? Maybe. But I think Best Korea has a pretty good idea where it stands, regionally.
 
2012-10-09 02:28:35 PM

Magorn: SageC: [news.bbcimg.co.uk image 624x521]
Just another reason why it sucks to be you, Alaska. Wait until Sarah finds out she can see missiles from her house...
[wonkette.com image 500x281]

Well recent equipment tests have revised those figures to "about 100yards down range of the launching pad"


In 2003, Alaska found parts of a Taepodong-2 missile fired from N. Korea. There was a general media blackout in the USA on it, as the Bush administration didn't have an interest in pursuing N. Korea at the time, and making a public fuss over it yet doing nothing would be a net loss.

It's unclear when the missile was fired or where it actually landed. Other articles mention "washed up", which means it could have landed in the ocean just about anywhere, or exploded in mid-flight.
 
2012-10-09 02:29:10 PM

Twilight Farkle: What the heck are those supposed to be?

MIRV:




OK Smart Guys.

Explain to me why a MIRV is going UP?!?!?

j.wigflip.com
 
2012-10-09 02:30:29 PM
Bravo, subby.
 
2012-10-09 02:32:42 PM

ChipNASA: Twilight Farkle: What the heck are those supposed to be?

MIRV:



OK Smart Guys.

Explain to me why a MIRV is going UP?!?!?

[j.wigflip.com image 700x874]


www.lolroflmao.com
?
 
2012-10-09 02:34:40 PM
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yeah, about that
 
2012-10-09 02:36:20 PM

abfalter: a.) Yeah, doubt they can reach.

b.) Yeah, even if they could reach we'd probably knock them out.

c.) Even if one of them DID land the response would be devastating to them. Sort of like saying "Hey, look! I can totally poke this pitbull in the eye with this stick!"


Point "a", sir. There's no way they can reach the lower 48. Hell, they can't even make a decent car.
 
2012-10-09 02:39:58 PM

4NTLRZ: abfalter: a.) Yeah, doubt they can reach.

b.) Yeah, even if they could reach we'd probably knock them out.

c.) Even if one of them DID land the response would be devastating to them. Sort of like saying "Hey, look! I can totally poke this pitbull in the eye with this stick!"

Point "a", sir. There's no way they can reach the lower 48. Hell, they can't even make a decent carflushing toiletcredible threatnourishing meal once per day.

 
2012-10-09 02:40:26 PM
Does China have a problem with this? No? Then nobody has to care.
 
2012-10-09 02:40:28 PM

ChipNASA: Twilight Farkle: What the heck are those supposed to be?

MIRV:



OK Smart Guys.

Explain to me why a MIRV is going UP?!?!?

[j.wigflip.com image 700x874]


My impression was that it was part of the last rocket stage and not a Mirv itself. If you look at the old pictures of reentrys it was always hard to spot the MIRV vs Staging. Video is what hit it home due to the behavior of the MIRV.

Watch this video and you can see what I'm talking about [Kinda as it's not a mirv but the concept is the same with the vehicle emerging from debris].

It's also a time lapse photo so maybe it's part of the decoy system [Metal Balloons, etc,] 

/I don't know is my final answer
 
2012-10-09 02:42:55 PM
Come at me, Cho.
 
2012-10-09 02:43:08 PM

Dimensio: I initially misread the headline as referring to the "Red Dwarf" reboot, though that series has simply been continued rather than rebooted.


Oh thank FSM, I'm not the only person who did this.
 
2012-10-09 02:43:13 PM
Actually watch this one.... Better view of the vehicle and debris separation.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jEyQDwAUfRQ
 
2012-10-09 02:44:59 PM
Would be kind of funny to hear Fartbongo reply to NK with; look lets be clear here, if you were to launch a rocket and it were to hit our soil we will Hiroshima your country into never never land killing every man, woman and child. No soldiers on the ground in some protracted jungle war like last time just a simple "death from above" approach.
 
2012-10-09 02:47:13 PM
Yeah. 'Cause Red Dawn's story depends so much on ballistic missiles.
 
2012-10-09 02:58:46 PM

monoski: Would be kind of funny to hear Fartbongo reply to NK with; look lets be clear here, if you were to launch a rocket and it were to hit our soil we will Hiroshima your country into never never land killing every man, woman and child. No soldiers on the ground in some protracted jungle war like last time just a simple "death from above" approach.


NK has a distinct lack of jungles.

/good otherwise.
 
2012-10-09 03:01:16 PM

indylaw: And not a single fark was given by me.

They're not going to attack us. 1) their missiles can't hit anywhere but Alaska; 2) their nuclear program is a joke; 3) they are not actually crazy. They know that any attack would result in their utter destruction in response; 4) you can't blackmail money out of people if you actually do what you're threatening.


as usual indylaw says exactly what i'm thinking. GET OUTTA MY BRAINZ!
 
2012-10-09 03:01:35 PM

monoski: Would be kind of funny to hear Fartbongo reply to NK with; look lets be clear here, if you were to launch a rocket and it were to hit our soil we will Hiroshima your country into never never land killing every man, woman and child. No soldiers on the ground in some protracted jungle war like last time just a simple "death from above" approach.


Jungle?

Forget it, he's rollin'.
 
2012-10-09 03:04:54 PM
Wouldn't china step in before they try something?
 
2012-10-09 03:06:50 PM

Fribble: ChipNASA: Twilight Farkle: What the heck are those supposed to be?

MIRV:



OK Smart Guys.

Explain to me why a MIRV is going UP?!?!?

[j.wigflip.com image 700x874]

My impression was that it was part of the last rocket stage and not a Mirv itself. If you look at the old pictures of reentrys it was always hard to spot the MIRV vs Staging. Video is what hit it home due to the behavior of the MIRV.

Watch this video and you can see what I'm talking about [Kinda as it's not a mirv but the concept is the same with the vehicle emerging from debris].

It's also a time lapse photo so maybe it's part of the decoy system [Metal Balloons, etc,] 

/I don't know is my final answer


I don't know either but best google image backwards search is that it *may* be the rest of the launch vehicle with the bright part of the flash showing any other engine ignition as it flies through the rest of it's death trajectory after dropping it's MIRV load.
 
2012-10-09 03:17:41 PM

soupafi: Wouldn't china step in before they try something?


Maybe. China doesn't want a refugee crisis, and they don't want another western-style democracy on their border, so they don't want Best Korea to do something that will get them stomped. But they also enjoy North Korea trolling us, because it distracts our navy away from China's shenanigans in the East and South China seas.

Idiots who think this is a North Korea vs. U.S. conflict need to realize that South Korea is MUCH larger and far better-armed than North Korea. It's not like 1950. Any exchange of fire is going to be between North and South, and will kill a zillion Koreans, and relatively few American GIs. And end in a unified Korea with Seoul as the capital.
 
2012-10-09 03:18:54 PM

Fizpez: We know the Airborne Laser worked and has (I think) about a 200 mi range. If it fits on a Boing 747 it would certainly fit in the submarine or destroyer. Seems to make a lot of sense to me that we put a couple of these on a ship a hundred miles or so offshore and continue to assist NK in having their missile tests fail at a 100% rate.


I think this is an excellent idea and should be pursued.
 
2012-10-09 03:24:22 PM
Red Dawn story need no more credibility. North Korea has best army, best missiles, and best leaders. America tied up in land war in Asia and leader unable to assassinate rival to throne, Mitt Romney. This will be a cake walk for best Korea.
 
2012-10-09 03:25:47 PM
asynchron


Am I the only one who quietly wishes that:
...
3. Missiles get shot down by badass missile defenses

I keep seeing folks say this.

What mythical missile defense system do you folks believe has been deployed?
 
2012-10-09 03:28:27 PM

indylaw: They're not going to attack us. 1) their missiles can't hit anywhere but Alaska


I think the bigger problem is South Korea and Japan, which are well within their range. They can blackmail us quite well without landing a shot in Alaska.
I also think it isn't a matter of being crazy so much as their military being sloppy and disorganized.
The guy on top knows its all a fancy scheme, but the guys with the guns could be true believers that may will pull the trigger under any form of provocation.

I agree that they probably wont do anything but rattle their sabers, but this isn't the sort of behavior we should encourage from a nuke owning nation.

/I always thought the Red Dawn scenario, while extremely unlikely, is plausible.
/With MAD being what it is, and politics being what they are, the enemy isn't going to invade wearing his own uniform.
/Red dawn was about alot more than "ZOMG, COMMUNISTS!", at any rate.
 
2012-10-09 03:35:22 PM
I look forward to mTV Best Korea Karaoke Hour with Fearless Leader singing his favorite Justin Bieber hits for our enjoyment. What a glorious day it will be!
 
2012-10-09 03:39:38 PM

wraithmare: Fizpez: We know the Airborne Laser worked and has (I think) about a 200 mi range. If it fits on a Boing 747 it would certainly fit in the submarine or destroyer. Seems to make a lot of sense to me that we put a couple of these on a ship a hundred miles or so offshore and continue to assist NK in having their missile tests fail at a 100% rate.

I think this is an excellent idea and should be pursued.


Unworkable idea, the laser is severly degraded by atmospheric moisture. That's why they stuck it in an airplane way above most of the atmosphere.
 
2012-10-09 03:57:15 PM
the only way i could ever see NK every hitting the US with anything would be to load up some missles on to a plane made to look like a regular airliner and fly over and drop them(granted this would a be a one way trip for as soon as they drop the 1st missle we would shoot it down),
 
2012-10-09 04:05:38 PM

Mishno: wraithmare: Fizpez: We know the Airborne Laser worked and has (I think) about a 200 mi range. If it fits on a Boing 747 it would certainly fit in the submarine or destroyer. Seems to make a lot of sense to me that we put a couple of these on a ship a hundred miles or so offshore and continue to assist NK in having their missile tests fail at a 100% rate.

I think this is an excellent idea and should be pursued.

Unworkable idea, the laser is severly degraded by atmospheric moisture. That's why they stuck it in an airplane way above most of the atmosphere.


Didn't they send that system to the Davis-Monthan boneyard a couple of months ago?
 
2012-10-09 04:18:56 PM

OnlyM3: asynchron


Am I the only one who quietly wishes that:
...
3. Missiles get shot down by badass missile defenses
I keep seeing folks say this.

What mythical missile defense system do you folks believe has been deployed?


imageshack.us
 
2012-10-09 04:34:46 PM

Polish Hussar: Mishno: wraithmare: Fizpez: We know the Airborne Laser worked and has (I think) about a 200 mi range. If it fits on a Boing 747 it would certainly fit in the submarine or destroyer. Seems to make a lot of sense to me that we put a couple of these on a ship a hundred miles or so offshore and continue to assist NK in having their missile tests fail at a 100% rate.

I think this is an excellent idea and should be pursued.

Unworkable idea, the laser is severly degraded by atmospheric moisture. That's why they stuck it in an airplane way above most of the atmosphere.

Didn't they send that system to the Davis-Monthan boneyard a couple of months ago?


Could be. I heard a while back they were done testing with it. As far as putting it on a ship and causing "failures" during Nork missile tests, they fail pretty well unassisted.
 
2012-10-09 04:40:58 PM

SkunkWerks: indylaw: And not a single fark was given by me.

...
It may help to know that South Korea's Military budget is about three times that of it's Northern neighbor.
...


This must be using the same type of cold war math that said the Russian military budget way anywhere near Reagan's Star Wars fantasies (assume Russian conscripts were paid similar to US volunteers) . South Korean soldiers can be hired by Samsung and Hyundai (draft is less than two years, presumably they have to compete for officers' jobs). Former North Korean soldiers can starve. Arms manufacture and other defense contractors face similar issues: unless South Korea decides to buy most of its arms from China, they are going to pay considerably much more than "best Korea".

South Korea has an effective military. I'd be surprised if it didn't cost more than 3 times North Korea's GDP.
 
2012-10-09 05:08:13 PM

OnlyM3: asynchron


Am I the only one who quietly wishes that:
...
3. Missiles get shot down by badass missile defenses
I keep seeing folks say this.

What mythical missile defense system do you folks believe has been deployed?


This one. It's by no means an impenetrable shield, but it's way ahead of North Korea's long-range missile program.
 
2012-10-09 05:34:49 PM
*Best
 
2012-10-09 06:04:34 PM

monoski: Would be kind of funny to hear Fartbongo reply to NK with; look lets be clear here, if you were to launch a rocket and it were to hit our soil we will Hiroshima your country into never never land killing every man, woman and child. No soldiers on the ground in some protracted jungle war like last time just a simple "death from above" approach.


You really want that, dumbass? Nuclear war?

I also find it hilarious how "fartbongo" is the best insult you pointed-hood wearing mouthbreathers could come up with. I bet you're the same type of redneck that wanted Muhammed Ali locked up for refusing to kill gooks.
 
2012-10-09 06:07:10 PM
I say we make them a deal. You fire 5 of yours and we will simultaneously fire 5 of ours, and we'll see where they all land. Talk is cheap. Blowing shiat up is our goddamn hobby and, for better or worse, we're pretty darn good at it.
 
2012-10-09 06:21:44 PM

mod3072: I say we make them a deal. You fire 5 of yours and we will simultaneously fire 5 of ours, and we'll see where they all land. Talk is cheap. Blowing shiat up is our goddamn hobby and, for better or worse, we're pretty darn good at it.


yeah, I think Best Korea keeps forgetting that we handed their ass to them until a million screaming chinamen jumped in.
 
2012-10-09 06:49:03 PM

Feral_and_Preposterous: Yeah. 'Cause Red Dawn's story depends so much on ballistic missiles.



600 million screaming Chinaman.
D.C., Kansas City, and Omaha.... gone. (OMG OMAHA!!!!)

I don't think they did that with AK-47s... but maybe they did.
 
2012-10-09 07:11:03 PM

way south: I think the bigger problem is South Korea and Japan, which are well within their range. They can blackmail us quite well without landing a shot in Alaska.


Japan can take care of itself. It's like (east) Asia's Israel.
 
2012-10-09 07:23:52 PM
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old meme is old.
 
2012-10-09 10:58:42 PM

ChipNASA: Twilight Farkle: What the heck are those supposed to be?

MIRV:



OK Smart Guys.

Explain to me why a MIRV is going UP?!?!?

[j.wigflip.com image 700x874]


It's obviously the Kerbal Nuclear Program.
 
2012-10-09 11:42:49 PM
Wofeerrweeeeeeeeeeeeeeeens!
 
2012-10-10 01:49:05 AM

Dimensio: I initially misread the headline as referring to the "Red Dwarf" reboot, though that series has simply been continued rather than rebooted.


Don't mention the gazpacho.
 
2012-10-10 02:00:19 AM

Mishno: wraithmare: Fizpez: We know the Airborne Laser worked and has (I think) about a 200 mi range. If it fits on a Boing 747 it would certainly fit in the submarine or destroyer. Seems to make a lot of sense to me that we put a couple of these on a ship a hundred miles or so offshore and continue to assist NK in having their missile tests fail at a 100% rate.

I think this is an excellent idea and should be pursued.

Unworkable idea, the laser is severly degraded by atmospheric moisture. That's why they stuck it in an airplane way above most of the atmosphere.


monkeyblogmonkeydo.files.wordpress.com

No, no, it totally works.
 
2012-10-10 03:33:39 AM

ciberido: Mishno: wraithmare: Fizpez: We know the Airborne Laser worked and has (I think) about a 200 mi range. If it fits on a Boing 747 it would certainly fit in the submarine or destroyer. Seems to make a lot of sense to me that we put a couple of these on a ship a hundred miles or so offshore and continue to assist NK in having their missile tests fail at a 100% rate.

I think this is an excellent idea and should be pursued.

Unworkable idea, the laser is severly degraded by atmospheric moisture. That's why they stuck it in an airplane way above most of the atmosphere.

[monkeyblogmonkeydo.files.wordpress.com image 348x208]

No, no, it totally works.


The range is rather limited, and it can't stop a missile at reentry speed, its only shot is during the boost phase, the first few minutes off the pad. So you'd probably have to be flying in their territory and it would make more sense just to bomb the launch site ahead of time. Basically it was awesome-but-useless, and can't be used to defend against incoming ICBMs.
 
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