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(Detroit Free Press)   Football legend Alex Karras has gone into kidney failure. Mongo only pawn in game of life   (freep.com) divider line 115
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2012-10-09 12:19:15 AM
Well, f*ck! That makes me really sad. I didn't watch him much as a football player, but I enjoyed seeing him in "Blazing Saddles" and "Victor/Victoria", as well as George Papadopoulos on "Webster". :-(
 
2012-10-09 12:29:24 AM

Bathia_Mapes: Well, f*ck! That makes me really sad. I didn't watch him much as a football player, but I enjoyed seeing him in "Blazing Saddles" and "Victor/Victoria", as well as George Papadopoulos on "Webster". :-(


It is sad. At 77, he's probably not on a transplant list. But no mention of dialysis for this condition?
 
2012-10-09 12:30:36 AM
Go easy into the light, gentle giant. You were awesome on Webster. Thanks for leaving a positive mark on the world.
 
2012-10-09 12:31:40 AM

simplicimus: But no mention of dialysis for this condition?


He's going to Hospice. That's the end. Let him go.
 
2012-10-09 12:35:07 AM

NewportBarGuy: simplicimus: But no mention of dialysis for this condition?

He's going to Hospice. That's the end. Let him go.


Well, TFA said he also suffers from dementia and cancer, so, yeah, you're right.
 
2012-10-09 12:35:10 AM
Sad :-(
 
2012-10-09 12:35:32 AM

NewportBarGuy: simplicimus: But no mention of dialysis for this condition?

He's going to Hospice. That's the end. Let him go.


Indeed. Poor dude has dementia & cancer too.
 
2012-10-09 12:36:51 AM
img.photobucket.com 

Goodnight Mongo
 
2012-10-09 12:40:17 AM
George Papadopoulos... was... Mongo.

i95.photobucket.com
 
2012-10-09 12:40:19 AM
Now I'm feeling bad for Mr. Karras AND the horse.
 
2012-10-09 12:41:58 AM
Inconsolable:
images4.wikia.nocookie.net
 
2012-10-09 12:42:05 AM
i saw him in porky's before i saw blazing saddles. sad indeed.
 
2012-10-09 12:42:12 AM
Well, at least he'll be reunited soon with Gary Coleman.
 
2012-10-09 12:42:20 AM
Okay.
 
2012-10-09 12:42:51 AM

Huck And Molly Ziegler: Now I'm feeling bad for Mr. Karras AND the horse.


Kind of interesting to see in that GIF that the guy pulls the reins on the right JUST before Karras would have connected. Some nice horse work there.
 
2012-10-09 12:45:18 AM
At least he can't remember he has kidney failure.
 
2012-10-09 12:45:42 AM
I cannot believe I never noticed that he was Mongo. I've been watching that movie for decades.
 
2012-10-09 12:46:24 AM
Damn. He seemed to be a genuinely nice guy, and yes I love Blazing Saddles.

My Dad was fully cohesive when he made the same call when he was diagnosed with renal failure. "It's been a good run." A couple dialysis treatments before the left the hospital for hospice gave the family enough time to gather to say goodbye. It's a pretty gentle way to go out. The brain just sort of fuzzes out from the toxic build up.

Thing was, he was pretty aware up until 36 hours before he died, and things were beginning to shut down (he couldn't use his right hand, then he couldn't read, etc.) and he knew it. Yet he faced it all with such grace and good humor. Even the nurses were impressed.
 
2012-10-09 12:46:52 AM

JosephFinn: Huck And Molly Ziegler: Now I'm feeling bad for Mr. Karras AND the horse.

Kind of interesting to see in that GIF that the guy pulls the reins on the right JUST before Karras would have connected. Some nice horse work there.


Beat me to it. Never noticed him slide his arm down and jerk in the movie, and I must have seen it a hundred times.
 
2012-10-09 12:47:36 AM
www.kchodorow.com
 
2012-10-09 12:48:33 AM
img843.imageshack.us

"Candygram for Mongo! Candygram for Mongo!"

/one ticket plz
//aisle set
 
2012-10-09 12:50:38 AM

JosephFinn: Huck And Molly Ziegler: Now I'm feeling bad for Mr. Karras AND the horse.

Kind of interesting to see in that GIF that the guy pulls the reins on the right JUST before Karras would have connected. Some nice horse work there.


Jeez man, at least leave me with the illusion dammit...

i149.photobucket.com
 
2012-10-09 12:54:43 AM
On January 7, 1963, Karras's ownership in Detroit's Lindell AC Bar became a source of controversy when league officials urged him to sell his financial interests in the place because of reports of gambling and organized crime influence. After first threatening to retire rather than give it up, Karras admitted placing bets on NFL games and was suspended by the league, along with Green Bay Packers' running back Paul Hornung, for one season (1963).

During his exile, Karras returned to pro wrestling, taking on such memorable characters as Dick the Bruiser, but was then reinstated, along with Hornung, on March 16, 1964 by NFL commissioner Pete Rozelle. Upon returning to action in 1964, Karras once refused when an official asked him to call the pregame coin toss. "I'm sorry, sir," Karras replied. "I'm not permitted to gamble."


Ha! Nice one! :)
 
2012-10-09 12:56:28 AM
I guess Hawkeye Pierce won't be able to pull him through this one.

\sad
\\at least he got to twirl Frank Burns
 
2012-10-09 12:58:04 AM

Polartank13: JosephFinn: Huck And Molly Ziegler: Now I'm feeling bad for Mr. Karras AND the horse.

Kind of interesting to see in that GIF that the guy pulls the reins on the right JUST before Karras would have connected. Some nice horse work there.

Jeez man, at least leave me with the illusion dammit...


Do you still believe in the tooth fairy too? The movies are fake; everybody knows that. I think the point was that it was a particularly well-executed bit of movie magic. If you scrutinize practically any movie stunt, you can usually pick it apart and figure out how it was done, but that doesn't make it any less impressive when you're watching the movie.
 
2012-10-09 12:59:23 AM
Why isn't this in the sports tab...I mean, the entertainment tab...
 
2012-10-09 12:59:40 AM
he played for Iowa. I dropped out of Iowa. our mythical bond knows no bounds
 
2012-10-09 01:00:53 AM
i73.photobucket.com

/oblig
 
2012-10-09 01:00:55 AM
Goodnight Mongo
 
2012-10-09 01:01:30 AM
Well this, this just sucks. Maybe we can all go get a shiatload of dimes and buy him a new kidney.


fragMasterFlash: [img843.imageshack.us image 313x351]

"Candygram for Mongo! Candygram for Mongo!"

/one ticket plz
//aisle set


You just scared the shiat out of me.
 
2012-10-09 01:02:47 AM
He may be been just a pawn, but his legacy will live on long after the sunset of his life. I hope he passes comfortably, surrounded by his loved ones.
 
2012-10-09 01:03:39 AM

Elegy: Never noticed him slide his arm down and jerk in the movie, and I must have seen it a hundred times.


In any other thread, that comment would be fair game for some major out-of-context usage.

/RIP athlete turned actor
 
2012-10-09 01:04:45 AM
QFTA:

Tom McInerney, owner of McInerney's Woodhaven Chrysler Dodge Jeep Ram and a friend of Karras' since the 1950s, said Karras' wife, Susan Clark, told him of her husband's failing health in a 15-minute phone call this morning.

Come on down to the showroom and I'll tell you stories of me and Alex growing up together. And you can tell me what I have to do to put you in a car today.
 
2012-10-09 01:07:43 AM
I has a sad, liked him in Blazzing Saddles and Webster.
 
2012-10-09 01:08:17 AM
i126.photobucket.com

You will be greatly missed,big man.
 
2012-10-09 01:10:48 AM
I'm going to pour one out and wait for hundreddollarman to do his thing.
 
2012-10-09 01:16:18 AM
Gary Indiana's other favorite son.
 
2012-10-09 01:16:47 AM

GuidoDelConfuso: Polartank13: JosephFinn: Huck And Molly Ziegler: Now I'm feeling bad for Mr. Karras AND the horse.

Kind of interesting to see in that GIF that the guy pulls the reins on the right JUST before Karras would have connected. Some nice horse work there.

Jeez man, at least leave me with the illusion dammit...

Do you still believe in the tooth fairy too? The movies are fake; everybody knows that. I think the point was that it was a particularly well-executed bit of movie magic. If you scrutinize practically any movie stunt, you can usually pick it apart and figure out how it was done, but that doesn't make it any less impressive when you're watching the movie.


Movies are fake....BAH! Next you're going to tell me that wrasslin' is fake. You're just full of dem stories.
 
2012-10-09 01:18:09 AM
Actor Richard Crenna invented artificial kidneys.
 
2012-10-09 01:20:41 AM

He didn't get what he deserved.

www.karrass.com
He got what he negotiated
 
2012-10-09 01:20:55 AM

TheManofPA: I'm going to pour one out and wait for hundreddollarman to do his thing.


"... from the Harley Races, to the Barry Windhams... to the Ric Flairs..."

"Never mind that shiat, here comes Mongo!"


i70.photobucket.com
RIP Mongo McMichael
 
2012-10-09 01:22:35 AM

Rapmaster2000: Gary Indiana's other favorite son.


i know.
my dad is famous.

/somehow...
 
2012-10-09 01:27:16 AM
Damn you, Rachel Ward!
 
2012-10-09 01:27:37 AM

Huck And Molly Ziegler: Now I'm feeling bad for Mr. Karras AND the horse.


It looks pretty rough, but the horse is trained to fall like that. It is a wicked pull on the bit, though. Hmm, how was it trained.....
Now I feel sorry for the horse too.
Well, could be worse, every one and every thing needs to earn its keep. I know I've been treated a lot worse and abused as much at most of my jobs.
The world is a harsh mistress.
 
2012-10-09 01:29:42 AM

hundreddollarman: TheManofPA: I'm going to pour one out and wait for hundreddollarman to do his thing.

"... from the Harley Races, to the Barry Windhams... to the Ric Flairs..."

"Never mind that shiat, here comes Mongo!"

[i70.photobucket.com image 275x420]
RIP Mongo McMichael


OMG, I saw that photo from the middle of his chest down before I saw the whole thing. Good lord.
 
2012-10-09 01:29:50 AM
Karras was also a very good football player, too...and won the Outland Trophy while playing at Iowa.

He also was the one with the famous line about foreign soccer-style placekickers: "I go keek a touchdown"

He also did a couple of seasons of Monday Night Football w Howard Cosell...replacing Don Meredith for a couple of seasons. Karras decided to go acting full-time

He and his wife got royally screwed and mistreated by ABC with "Webster". Karras and Clark initially owned the show, but were slowly cut out of a lot of it.

Prayers for the Karras family
 
2012-10-09 01:34:38 AM

simplicimus: Bathia_Mapes: Well, f*ck! That makes me really sad. I didn't watch him much as a football player, but I enjoyed seeing him in "Blazing Saddles" and "Victor/Victoria", as well as George Papadopoulos on "Webster". :-(

It is sad. At 77, he's probably not on a transplant list. But no mention of dialysis for this condition?


Dialysis is kept in the stone age thanks to government. It's probably best to avoid it if he has other issues. Many choose to die rather than go through 3 day a week dialysis.

Dialysis could be better, but the way government pays for it essentially keeps short daily Hemodialysis out of the market. At least at the last point I was familiar with that business. Perhaps at some point technology will make it cheap it enough that people can just pay for it all out of pocket. The way to do it has already been proven out. The machines are just too expensive and the treatment isn't profitable enough under government rules.
 
2012-10-09 01:35:41 AM
Dammit! We were just talking about hin in FM!

/terrible flick, great soundtrack
 
2012-10-09 01:37:23 AM

katzrc: Dammit! We were just talking about hin in FM!

/terrible flick, great soundtrack


*him

/FTFM
//distraught slashies
 
2012-10-09 01:46:01 AM
Mr Karras deserves a candygram in his last moments.
 
2012-10-09 01:46:11 AM

katzrc: Dammit! We were just talking about hin in FM!

/terrible flick, great soundtrack


I haven't seen that movie in years, but yeah it was a crappy movie with a great soundtrack. Cleavon Little was awesome as the Prince of Darkness.
 
2012-10-09 01:46:32 AM
He lived an awesome full life. 77 is a good time to peace out.
 
2012-10-09 01:54:08 AM

NotoriousW.O.P: Well, at least he'll be reunited soon with Gary Coleman.


Whut?

How did his kidneys get so bad? Probably all the pain pills they gave players back then to get them in the games.

Oh and congrats to the farker with the mash reference, well done. One of the many guest stars who went onto bigger roles, funniest ones are andrew dice clay, george wendt, swayze, and ron howard, crazy.........
 
IP
2012-10-09 01:57:04 AM

mc_madness: He lived an awesome full life. 77 is a good time to peace out.


No, it's not.

/51
//Want my last years to start with an 8
///not happening
 
2012-10-09 02:11:36 AM

mc_madness: He lived an awesome full life. 77 is a good time to peace out.


There is no such thing.
 
2012-10-09 02:15:58 AM
He was just fabulous in "Victor, Victoria."

Now, I never met the man, but my dad did. My family moved to Marlette, Michigan in 1970 when my dad took over as manager for the Boise Cascade travel trailer/camper plant there. Marlette was a very small town back then, just one traffic light, but it had a nice country club/golf course north of town and was 60 miles north of Detroit. So, a lot of the Detroit Lions used to come up there and Karras was one of them. He had a thing going on with one of the waitresses at the country club.

Dad liked him, but also liked to prank him. Right about this time was when super glue first came out and Dad talked the bartender at the country club into slipping an old, slightly warped pass thru back into the bar and then super glued a shot glass onto it just before Karras came in and arranged for it to be the only seat available when he came in. The bartender poured him a shot and when Karras tried to pick it up, it wouldn't move. He tugged and tugged and swore and nothing. He ended up leaning down and sucking the whiskey out, much to the amusement of all.

Of course, Karras soon learned Dad was responsible for this and challenged him to arm wrestling. Mind you, Karras was in his prime, playing for the Lions and Dad was 45. Dad beat him. It took awhile, but he did it. Pissed off Karras even more, but then he laughed it off.

Great guy. Sorry he's passing.
 
2012-10-09 02:30:56 AM
Mongo? Santa Maria!
 
2012-10-09 02:31:16 AM
Pray. For. Mongo.
 
2012-10-09 02:35:45 AM

hundreddollarman: "Never mind that shiat, here comes Mongo!"


I can St. Peter at the gates, saying just that!!!!!
 
2012-10-09 02:36:32 AM
See

I can SEE. Dammit.
 
2012-10-09 02:49:08 AM
 
2012-10-09 02:58:30 AM

Aulus: He was just fabulous in "Victor, Victoria."

Now, I never met the man, but my dad did. My family moved to Marlette, Michigan in 1970 when my dad took over as manager for the Boise Cascade travel trailer/camper plant there. Marlette was a very small town back then, just one traffic light, but it had a nice country club/golf course north of town and was 60 miles north of Detroit. So, a lot of the Detroit Lions used to come up there and Karras was one of them. He had a thing going on with one of the waitresses at the country club.

Dad liked him, but also liked to prank him. Right about this time was when super glue first came out and Dad talked the bartender at the country club into slipping an old, slightly warped pass thru back into the bar and then super glued a shot glass onto it just before Karras came in and arranged for it to be the only seat available when he came in. The bartender poured him a shot and when Karras tried to pick it up, it wouldn't move. He tugged and tugged and swore and nothing. He ended up leaning down and sucking the whiskey out, much to the amusement of all.

Of course, Karras soon learned Dad was responsible for this and challenged him to arm wrestling. Mind you, Karras was in his prime, playing for the Lions and Dad was 45. Dad beat him. It took awhile, but he did it. Pissed off Karras even more, but then he laughed it off.

Great guy. Sorry he's passing.


Cool story bro.
 
2012-10-09 03:14:19 AM

LordOfThePings: [celebslists.com image 360x252]

Wrestling Lola The Kiss (of Death)


Half (if not more) everyone on the celebrity panel is gone. CNR, Brett Somers, Richard Dawson...

/feel old
 
2012-10-09 03:18:16 AM

LordOfThePings: Wrestling Lola The Kiss (of Death)


That is good stuff. I wish that show would come back, but it wouldn't be as good. There would be no innuendo that made it so funny.

/It's always funnier when they bleep the words.
 
2012-10-09 03:28:32 AM

lohphat: Half (if not more) everyone on the celebrity panel is gone. CNR, Brett Somers, Richard Dawson...

/feel old


Not to mention Gene Rayburn.
 
2012-10-09 04:02:06 AM
Godspeed, Mr. Karras. I'm sure Saint Peter has a place set aside for you just inside the Barbwire Gates.
 
2012-10-09 04:05:16 AM
My sister is on Dialysis, and has been since ten-years-old.

She's got a farktacularly rare form of kidney disease called 'Nephrodic Syndrome'.

Turned into ESRD at 17 after a transplant from my dad went bad.

77? "Too soon" you say?

She's 27 now, and everyday that she's alive she fights for more, still active and functioning... knowing it could be gone 'too soon'.

/Gary Coleman and here were only two of just over 200 on 'Cyclosporidian' - a drug which prolonged their lives at the cost of their 'adulthoods'. You will NEVER be as strong as these people, Hell, I'm the ex-bar-brawler in the family, and she's INFINITELY more of a proper Kill-'Em-All-eat-their-flesh-and-spit-blood-at-their-widows Viking than I am.

Kidney failure is the singular most painful way to go through life, or face its end.

//DONATE YOUR FARKIN' ORGANS, GODDAMMIT! She's going to get MINE (what I'll go through: bone biopsy, tissue biopsy, slashing my side open (AWAKE!) and making sure my peritoneal cavity is healthy, no food for a week, cigarettes for six or alcohol for the same) when they say she's 'proved' herself after transplanted organ loss that wasn't her fault. Have I mentioned I love my sister more than life itself, to face a not-small (15%) chance of death itself?
///She's a badass... what more can I say?
////National Kidney Foundation. Donate money, time or effort. I have, and do, when they have drives. Even though I'm the biggest misanthrope you'll ever meet...
 
2012-10-09 04:11:32 AM
DONUTS
 
2012-10-09 05:09:19 AM
My college roommate's dad was Karras's college roommate. Used to have a lot of coke parties, and one time a hooker died.

OK, that last sentence wasn't true, but it had to be there to justify typing the first one.
 
2012-10-09 05:25:58 AM

NewportBarGuy: simplicimus: But no mention of dialysis for this condition?

He's going to Hospice. That's the end. Let him go.


He could always pull an 'Art Buchwald' and get thrown out of Hospice for being too alive.
 
2012-10-09 07:59:13 AM
The best Monday Night Football team.
www.sitcomsonline.com
 
2012-10-09 08:10:47 AM
Mollusk sad
 
2012-10-09 08:12:10 AM
The Dead Collector: Bring out yer dead.
[a man puts a body on the cart]
Large Man with Dead Body: Here's one.
The Dead Collector: That'll be ninepence.
The Dead Body That Claims It Isn't: I'm not dead.
The Dead Collector: What?
Large Man with Dead Body: Nothing. There's your ninepence.
The Dead Body That Claims It Isn't: I'm not dead.
The Dead Collector: 'Ere, he says he's not dead.
Large Man with Dead Body: Yes he is.
The Dead Body That Claims It Isn't: I'm not.
The Dead Collector: He isn't.
Large Man with Dead Body: Well, he will be soon, he's very ill.
The Dead Body That Claims It Isn't: I'm getting better.
Large Man with Dead Body: No you're not, you'll be stone dead in a moment.
The Dead Collector: Well, I can't take him like that. It's against regulations.
The Dead Body That Claims It Isn't: I don't want to go on the cart.
Large Man with Dead Body: Oh, don't be such a baby.
The Dead Collector: I can't take him.
The Dead Body That Claims It Isn't: I feel fine.
Large Man with Dead Body: Oh, do me a favor.

/oblig
 
2012-10-09 08:23:32 AM

Jedekai: My sister is on Dialysis, and has been since ten-years-old.

She's got a farktacularly rare form of kidney disease called 'Nephrodic Syndrome'.

Turned into ESRD at 17 after a transplant from my dad went bad.

77? "Too soon" you say?

She's 27 now, and everyday that she's alive she fights for more, still active and functioning... knowing it could be gone 'too soon'.

/Gary Coleman and here were only two of just over 200 on 'Cyclosporidian' - a drug which prolonged their lives at the cost of their 'adulthoods'. You will NEVER be as strong as these people, Hell, I'm the ex-bar-brawler in the family, and she's INFINITELY more of a proper Kill-'Em-All-eat-their-flesh-and-spit-blood-at-their-widows Viking than I am.

Kidney failure is the singular most painful way to go through life, or face its end.

//DONATE YOUR FARKIN' ORGANS, GODDAMMIT! She's going to get MINE (what I'll go through: bone biopsy, tissue biopsy, slashing my side open (AWAKE!) and making sure my peritoneal cavity is healthy, no food for a week, cigarettes for six or alcohol for the same) when they say she's 'proved' herself after transplanted organ loss that wasn't her fault. Have I mentioned I love my sister more than life itself, to face a not-small (15%) chance of death itself?
///She's a badass... what more can I say?
////National Kidney Foundation. Donate money, time or effort. I have, and do, when they have drives. Even though I'm the biggest misanthrope you'll ever meet...


Kudos to you, most excellent brother.(sister?)
 
2012-10-09 08:31:47 AM
i1020.photobucket.com
 
2012-10-09 08:49:28 AM

Bathia_Mapes: Well, f*ck! That makes me really sad. I didn't watch him much as a football player, but I enjoyed seeing him in "Blazing Saddles" and "Victor/Victoria", as well as George Papadopoulos on "Webster". :-(


is it bad that I didn't realize that they were all him?
 
2012-10-09 09:41:38 AM

JackieRabbit:
/oblig


If by "obligatory" you mean "a wall of copypasta from 40 years ago that has been run so far into the ground it's come out the other side where a single line would've been just as unfunny without all the effort", then I suppose yeah.
 
2012-10-09 09:45:12 AM

loonatic112358: Bathia_Mapes: Well, f*ck! That makes me really sad. I didn't watch him much as a football player, but I enjoyed seeing him in "Blazing Saddles" and "Victor/Victoria", as well as George Papadopoulos on "Webster". :-(

is it bad that I didn't realize that they were all him?


I suspect the part of him that was an actor would be delighted to know that.
 
2012-10-09 09:49:23 AM
Never mind that shiat, there goes Mongo...
 
2012-10-09 10:20:05 AM

leadmetal: simplicimus: Bathia_Mapes: Well, f*ck! That makes me really sad. I didn't watch him much as a football player, but I enjoyed seeing him in "Blazing Saddles" and "Victor/Victoria", as well as George Papadopoulos on "Webster". :-(

It is sad. At 77, he's probably not on a transplant list. But no mention of dialysis for this condition?

Dialysis is kept in the stone age thanks to government. It's probably best to avoid it if he has other issues. Many choose to die rather than go through 3 day a week dialysis.

Dialysis could be better, but the way government pays for it essentially keeps short daily Hemodialysis out of the market. At least at the last point I was familiar with that business. Perhaps at some point technology will make it cheap it enough that people can just pay for it all out of pocket. The way to do it has already been proven out. The machines are just too expensive and the treatment isn't profitable enough under government rules.


Bullshiat. Home PD is much cheaper and much more effective than hemo, but the dialysis companies wouldn't switch (eligible patients) like the rest of the world because they make more money off in-center treatment. Especially in the six month or so period before Medicare starts picking up the tab. We have the worst dialysis outcomes in the world, but not because "government pays for it". In every country that kicks our asses in those measures, the government pays for it. But they deal with companies like Fresenius, and not the heartless farks at Fresenius NA who would rather make more money than provide proper treatment to morbidly sick people.
In 2010 or so, the government agreed to pay the same rate for PD as it does for hemo, just to get the greedy bastards who run Fresenius NA and DaVita to use the proper treatment. Maybe it will work. I don't know. They're still a bunch of farks, and we tax payers are being robbed.
 
2012-10-09 10:39:39 AM
i.imgur.com

RIP Mungo


/ but seriously, he seems like a nice guy
// also he looks like my stepfather
 
2012-10-09 10:46:25 AM
My 72 yo mother-in-law has been on dialysis for 4 years now (ESRD) and has just decided to stop, as her body can't tolerate it anymore. After reading how hospice goes and seeing two completely different perspectives here, I'm hoping she goes peacefully.

/fark Fresenius and DaVita right up the pooper with a spiked club
//goodnight football funnyman
 
2012-10-09 11:18:42 AM

chemrebel: My 72 yo mother-in-law has been on dialysis for 4 years now (ESRD) and has just decided to stop, as her body can't tolerate it anymore. After reading how hospice goes and seeing two completely different perspectives here, I'm hoping she goes peacefully.


I just watched my friend die in hospice so I'm getting a kick out of these replies...

No, seriously.

The last few hours of life are not pretty. Fluids you've not seen before, sounds you've not heard before. A "natural death" is anything but humane. We do better to our pets.

If there's any suggestion I can offer it's: when there's any sign of discomfort in the last few hours, push more morphene into them if you can. It calms the breathing and if there's any luck the person will be in a coma. Watching the body fight for its last breaths is disturbing if you're squeamish, the morphene can pre-empt that end.

We couldn't as the RN was there helping to try to clear my friend's lungs of fluids I've never seen come out of a person. As we turned her on her side to help ease the drainage, she finally gave way and stopped breathing.

6 hours of needless, grotesque, unnecessary suffering.

/Dignitas for me baby
 
2012-10-09 11:23:42 AM
Why let him suffer?

We should probably just shoot him.
 
2012-10-09 11:24:04 AM

chemrebel: My 72 yo mother-in-law has been on dialysis for 4 years now (ESRD) and has just decided to stop, as her body can't tolerate it anymore. After reading how hospice goes and seeing two completely different perspectives here, I'm hoping she goes peacefully.

/fark Fresenius and DaVita right up the pooper with a spiked club
//goodnight football funnyman


Wife #1 had PKD. Luckily, our insurance eventually covered in home dialysis, because clinics are lousy at changing the filters. That is most likely where she picked up Hepatitis. And yes, I am a donor, it's on my driver license and I have a card.
 
2012-10-09 11:45:57 AM
upload.wikimedia.org

Fark, how can you forget?
 
2012-10-09 11:47:35 AM

Pixiest: Why let him suffer?

We should probably just shoot him.


because we as a society have some kind of hangup about it. be it religious or whatever. that keeps us from allowing assisted suicides. which is absolutely horrible and cruel. there's not going to be some miracle happen people. death is coming and if you can ease someone's passing then you should be obligated to do so imo. it's the only humane thing to do.
 
2012-10-09 11:49:18 AM

Pixiest: Why let him suffer?

We should probably just shoot him.


No,No don't shoot him. You'll just make him angry.
 
2012-10-09 11:49:24 AM

Hobodeluxe: Pixiest: Why let him suffer?

We should probably just shoot him.

because we as a society have some kind of hangup about it. be it religious or whatever. that keeps us from allowing assisted suicides. which is absolutely horrible and cruel. there's not going to be some miracle happen people. death is coming and if you can ease someone's passing then you should be obligated to do so imo. it's the only humane thing to do.


DNRs are very common. My dad had one in place, when he went into cardiac arrest, they didn't resuscitate.
 
2012-10-09 12:22:47 PM

Hobodeluxe: because we as a society have some kind of hangup about it. be it religious or whatever. that keeps us from allowing assisted suicides.


OR and WA have assisted suicide laws on the books. OR requires you to be a "resident of note" i.e. rent/own or have a drivers license. Not sure about WA.
 
2012-10-09 12:40:48 PM

Jedekai: DONATE YOUR FARKIN' ORGANS, GODDAMMIT!


On the donor list. Very sorry about your sister, but she is very lucky to have a sibling like you.
 
2012-10-09 12:41:51 PM

Pixiest: Why let him suffer?

We should probably just shoot him.


Because his relatives are too afraid of death even though they know it's inevitable and will come for them someday too.

/we treat animals with more respect in their last days
 
2012-10-09 12:43:04 PM

uber humper: Hobodeluxe: Pixiest: Why let him suffer?

We should probably just shoot him.

because we as a society have some kind of hangup about it. be it religious or whatever. that keeps us from allowing assisted suicides. which is absolutely horrible and cruel. there's not going to be some miracle happen people. death is coming and if you can ease someone's passing then you should be obligated to do so imo. it's the only humane thing to do.

DNRs are very common. My dad had one in place, when he went into cardiac arrest, they didn't resuscitate.


Yup, a "Do Not Resuscitate" order will lead to them... not resuscitating... but it's still not the same as assisting in death. It's pretty much just saying that you'll let the condition take its course without any sort of intervention in either direction.
 
2012-10-09 01:35:48 PM

loonatic112358: Bathia_Mapes: Well, f*ck! That makes me really sad. I didn't watch him much as a football player, but I enjoyed seeing him in "Blazing Saddles" and "Victor/Victoria", as well as George Papadopoulos on "Webster". :-(

is it bad that I didn't realize that they were all him?


Not really.
 
2012-10-09 02:15:12 PM

leadmetal: simplicimus: Bathia_Mapes: Well, f*ck! That makes me really sad. I didn't watch him much as a football player, but I enjoyed seeing him in "Blazing Saddles" and "Victor/Victoria", as well as George Papadopoulos on "Webster". :-(

It is sad. At 77, he's probably not on a transplant list. But no mention of dialysis for this condition?

Dialysis is kept in the stone age thanks to government. It's probably best to avoid it if he has other issues. Many choose to die rather than go through 3 day a week dialysis.

Dialysis could be better, but the way government pays for it essentially keeps short daily Hemodialysis out of the market. At least at the last point I was familiar with that business. Perhaps at some point technology will make it cheap it enough that people can just pay for it all out of pocket. The way to do it has already been proven out. The machines are just too expensive and the treatment isn't profitable enough under government rules.


No dialysis on hospice.
 
2012-10-09 02:48:34 PM
Mongo liked Candy.

:(
 
2012-10-09 03:54:54 PM

Flakeloaf: JackieRabbit:
/oblig

If by "obligatory" you mean "a wall of copypasta from 40 years ago that has been run so far into the ground it's come out the other side where a single line would've been just as unfunny without all the effort", then I suppose yeah.


So, you're mad somebody else got to it first. It's okay, just chill out. No need to be b*tchy.
 
2012-10-09 05:08:46 PM

simplicimus: Wife #1 had PKD. Luckily, our insurance eventually covered in home dialysis, because clinics are lousy at changing the filters. That is most likely where she picked up Hepatitis. And yes, I am a donor, it's on my driver license and I have a card.


My wife has PKD, this ain't good to know

Who was she going to for Dialysis? davita ?
 
2012-10-09 05:28:51 PM
Created an account last light when I saw this; as I was getting hooked up to my machine. I think the key to my own survival has been staying too pissed-off to die. Certainly no other pissing going on...
 
2012-10-09 05:41:03 PM

simplicimus: Pixiest: Why let him suffer?

We should probably just shoot him.

No,No don't shoot him. You'll just make him angry.


Thank you for being the only one who got it.
 
2012-10-09 05:47:08 PM

loonatic112358: simplicimus: Wife #1 had PKD. Luckily, our insurance eventually covered in home dialysis, because clinics are lousy at changing the filters. That is most likely where she picked up Hepatitis. And yes, I am a donor, it's on my driver license and I have a card.

My wife has PKD, this ain't good to know

Who was she going to for Dialysis? davita ?


Quality Dialysis. Maybe be just a Texas company. Tell you wife to insist on a new filter each time.
 
2012-10-09 05:49:11 PM

simplicimus: loonatic112358: simplicimus: Wife #1 had PKD. Luckily, our insurance eventually covered in home dialysis, because clinics are lousy at changing the filters. That is most likely where she picked up Hepatitis. And yes, I am a donor, it's on my driver license and I have a card.

My wife has PKD, this ain't good to know

Who was she going to for Dialysis? davita ?

Quality Dialysis. Maybe be just a Texas company. Tell you wife to insist on a new filter each time.


My bad, Quality was the in-home one. I think it was Davita.
 
2012-10-09 07:07:56 PM

loonatic112358: simplicimus: Wife #1 had PKD. Luckily, our insurance eventually covered in home dialysis, because clinics are lousy at changing the filters. That is most likely where she picked up Hepatitis. And yes, I am a donor, it's on my driver license and I have a card.

My wife has PKD, this ain't good to know

Who was she going to for Dialysis? davita ?


By the way, if you want to know what's coming, EIP.
 
2012-10-09 08:31:42 PM
Anagram for Mongo?
 
2012-10-09 09:01:55 PM

SilentStrider: Anagram for Mongo?


Corny frogman dogma.
 
2012-10-09 09:03:39 PM
Mood for Gangnam Cry
 
2012-10-09 11:24:46 PM

lohphat: chemrebel: My 72 yo mother-in-law has been on dialysis for 4 years now (ESRD) and has just decided to stop, as her body can't tolerate it anymore. After reading how hospice goes and seeing two completely different perspectives here, I'm hoping she goes peacefully.


I just watched my friend die in hospice so I'm getting a kick out of these replies...

No, seriously.

The last few hours of life are not pretty. Fluids you've not seen before, sounds you've not heard before. A "natural death" is anything but humane. We do better to our pets.


Yes, we do. Makes one wonder why we can't treat our own species as compassionately.
 
2012-10-09 11:33:53 PM

GuidoDelConfuso: Polartank13: JosephFinn: Huck And Molly Ziegler: Now I'm feeling bad for Mr. Karras AND the horse.

Kind of interesting to see in that GIF that the guy pulls the reins on the right JUST before Karras would have connected. Some nice horse work there.

Jeez man, at least leave me with the illusion dammit...

Do you still believe in the tooth fairy too? The movies are fake; everybody knows that. I think the point was that it was a particularly well-executed bit of movie magic. If you scrutinize practically any movie stunt, you can usually pick it apart and figure out how it was done, but that doesn't make it any less impressive when you're watching the movie.


Exactly. Whomever the rider is there is very, very skilled.
 
2012-10-10 09:25:13 AM

simplicimus: By the way, if you want to know what's coming, EIP.


no email in your profile, but since you may work near 249 and the beltway, we might be able to grab lunch one of these days.
 
2012-10-10 12:23:57 PM
Seems as though Mr. Karras has gone into life failure.

RIP Mr. Karras
 
2012-10-10 12:29:55 PM

loonatic112358: simplicimus: By the way, if you want to know what's coming, EIP.

no email in your profile, but since you may work near 249 and the beltway, we might be able to grab lunch one of these days.


s­implici­mus­[nospam-﹫-backwards]l­i­amg­*com. Should be public, but apparently not. Lunch is cool.
 
2012-10-10 02:53:03 PM
Lyle good, Hawkeye bad!
 
2012-10-10 03:34:25 PM
Mongo sure knew how to pimp out a ride http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t9P2B7NUPfM
 
2012-10-10 04:19:32 PM
Kidneygram for Mongo...
 
2012-10-10 04:50:10 PM

wooden_badger: Seems as though Mr. Karras has gone into life failure.

RIP Mr. Karras


Aw shucks guys, Mongo straight stiff.

/Sorry, had to be done
//RIP Big ole horse-punching, Webster raising football guy.
 
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