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2012-10-09 12:15:50 AM  
Screw that website.
I'm not sorting through 50 of your scripts to figure out which ones will allow your ad-infested abortion of a webpage to become usable.
 
2012-10-09 12:16:16 AM  

Free_Chilly_Willy: And so the gradual degradation of American businesses begins.


wasn't the the papa johns guy who said that giving adequate health care to his works would have raised pizza prices a grand total of 14 cents per pizza...? 14 whole cents...and everyone there had adequate health care. I suspect that olive garden is in a similar situation - they could raise prices a couple of cents per menu item and keep people on full time AND still make their health care bills without any problems.

its interesting watching 'good christian' businessmen whine and complain about cutting corporate profits by 1% to give their workers decent health care. I dunno, maybe i'm just strange...but I like to watch heresy corrupt, distort and destroy the modern version of evangelical christianity in this country. the sheer greed of these people...it puts roman emperors and ancient Egyptian pharaohs to shame.
 
2012-10-09 12:17:07 AM  

Teufelaffe: The WalMart talking head said that 2% was too much of a "loss."


Cuts into funding for Alice Walton's Crystal Bridges Art Museum. It's tax-deductible.

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2012-10-09 12:17:44 AM  

cman:
And most coverage about the Tea Party is based on the racists and those who cannot spell. Same damn thing. Read Drews book and you will understand what I am talking about.


I only read the chapter that had my name on it.
 
2012-10-09 12:18:40 AM  

cameroncrazy1984: Free_Chilly_Willy: And so the gradual degradation of American businesses begins.

It's the f*cking Olive Garden. Like it was the classiest joint to begin with.


I'll be sure to tell that the waiters/cooks/hostesses/young people who will lose thier jobs and/or be cut hours because of this.

Great job libs!!!
 
2012-10-09 12:19:26 AM  

Free_Chilly_Willy: cameroncrazy1984: Free_Chilly_Willy: And so the gradual degradation of American businesses begins.

It's the f*cking Olive Garden. Like it was the classiest joint to begin with.

I'll be sure to tell that the waiters/cooks/hostesses/young people who will lose thier jobs and/or be cut hours because of this.

Great job libs!!!


And who are they going to get to replace them? Who's going to be willing to work part-time for no benefits when other companies are hiring full-time with healthcare?
 
2012-10-09 12:19:41 AM  

Weaver95: cman:
And most coverage about the Tea Party is based on the racists and those who cannot spell. Same damn thing. Read Drews book and you will understand what I am talking about.

I only read the chapter that had my name on it.


Ha! I knew that bugging Drew for 30 weeks straight would get him to write something defaming you
 
2012-10-09 12:19:58 AM  

NFA: Soon America is going to have their fill of the corporate greed and they're going to take to the streets for an American spring. The people will push the corporate reset button and these greedy f*cks will be looking for safe haven in a socialist nations around the globe.


Will never happen
 
2012-10-09 12:20:09 AM  

GhostFish: A Dark Evil Omen: You can keep pretending that all we're doing is "sit-ins" if that's what gets you off.

I take no pleasure in it. I find it frustrating that all that energy was largely wasted.
I visited a couple Occupy events, and saw nothing but people sitting around and playing music and talking out their asses.

If you've had better luck, good on you.


considering that the cops promised overwhelming levels of response if OWS so much as THOUGHT about doing anything more than 'just talk' I can understand the reluctance of the average protester to go ranging outside their designated areas.
 
2012-10-09 12:21:00 AM  

cman: I am saying that I believe that Rupert Murdock hates MSNBC and would do whatever it can to put them out of business. News networks go for ratings, nothing else.


I disagree. Rupert Murdoch isn't a conservative, he's a businessman. Look at the politics of his British properties such as The Sun. They're overwhelmingly liberal.

Conservatives are the easiest rubes to fool here in the US, hence that's where he's making his money here. The existence of MSNBC does not affect the bottom line of Fox News, since they are targeting different markets. If anything, the existence of a liberal outlet like MSNBC makes the slanting of the news by Fox News more palatable to the average consumer.
 
2012-10-09 12:21:10 AM  

Free_Chilly_Willy: And so the gradual degradation of American businesses begins.


It's not a bad thing for bad systems to change.

Olive Garden is just cementing their position as the bad guys by admitting they don't care about their employees.
 
2012-10-09 12:22:17 AM  

Free_Chilly_Willy: cameroncrazy1984: Free_Chilly_Willy: And so the gradual degradation of American businesses begins.

It's the f*cking Olive Garden. Like it was the classiest joint to begin with.

I'll be sure to tell that the waiters/cooks/hostesses/young people who will lose thier jobs and/or be cut hours because of this.

Great job libs!!!


Blaming this kind of shiat on the "libs" is like the guy who beats his wife saying, "Look what you made me do!" after he hits her. Darden should just man the fark up and be honest, "I don't like the idea of making less profit, and I don't give a flying fark about anyone who works for me, so I'm going to do whatever it takes to keep profits high, no matter what it means to my employees."
 
2012-10-09 12:24:18 AM  
This isn't unexpected. This is part of the problem with Obamacare. The program has three main faults:

1) It's needlessly complicated
2) It still leaves millions of people uninsured
3) It doesn't actually do anything to deal with the high cost of health care

The situation in TFA is a combination of fault 1 and fault 2.

Obamacare was a bad idea when the Heritage Foundation invented it (the fact that the Heritage Foundation came up with this plan should have been a red flag to any sensible person that it should be avoided). Obamacare was a bad idea when Romney implemented it in Massachusetts. And, it's a bad idea today.  Sure, it's a better plan than what Republicans are offering...but, it isn't the kind of health care plan a first-world society ought to have.
 
2012-10-09 12:24:35 AM  

Rapmaster2000: I bet the guy who thaws out the breadsticks is pissed.


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2012-10-09 12:24:51 AM  

eraser8: This isn't unexpected. This is part of the problem with Obamacare. The program has three main faults:

1) It's needlessly complicated
2) It still leaves millions of people uninsured
3) It doesn't actually do anything to deal with the high cost of health care

The situation in TFA is a combination of fault 1 and fault 2.


Please explain each of those.
 
2012-10-09 12:25:12 AM  

Free_Chilly_Willy: cameroncrazy1984: Free_Chilly_Willy: And so the gradual degradation of American businesses begins.

It's the f*cking Olive Garden. Like it was the classiest joint to begin with.

I'll be sure to tell that the waiters/cooks/hostesses/young people who will lose thier jobs and/or be cut hours because of this.

Great job libs!!!


And then OG hires anyone that walks in the door, service drops to the point where it's worse than the food, consumers vote with their dollars and go to better places, OG's profits tank, and the great nigh mythical shareholder lawsuit comes into play, the CEO gets tarred and feathered and the free market wins again. tada!
 
2012-10-09 12:25:13 AM  

Irving Maimway: And this is on top of already reducing labor costs over the past few years? This seems like less issues over health care and more like "We're maximizing profits any way we can."


Well, their legal responsibility is to their shareholders. So yes, they're going to try and maximize profits anyway they can so that their shareholders get the maximum benefit out of their investment.

Especially in a very cost and economic sensitive business such as restaurants (which unless it's niche tends to be very marginal), which in a traditional sit down setting tend to have higher fixed costs because you're stuck with providing an 'experience.' It costs a lot of money to keep the lights on, the place heated/cooled, gas on for the ovens and stoves, and water for food prep; cooking; and sanitation.

This is just the law of unintended consequences playing out to its maximum potential. Darden is just one example; there will be PLENTY of others.
 
2012-10-09 12:26:04 AM  
You know, I would gladly pay 20 *cents* more for my breadsticks if it meant Olive Garden employees could have health care. And yes, it really does work out to about 20 cents extra PER MEAL to cover health care costs. 20 farking CENTS.

This whole "We can't afford it!" crap is simply greedy Republican business owners playing politics.

Screw Olive Garden. Not that I ever eat their crappy food.
 
2012-10-09 12:26:35 AM  

TheEdibleSnuggie: Well, their legal responsibility is to their shareholders. So yes, they're going to try and maximize profits anyway they can so that their shareholders get the maximum benefit out of their investment.


This is not the way to do that. See:

whither_apophis: And then OG hires anyone that walks in the door, service drops to the point where it's worse than the food, consumers vote with their dollars and go to better places, OG's profits tank, and the great nigh mythical shareholder lawsuit comes into play, the CEO gets tarred and feathered and the free market wins again. tada!

 
2012-10-09 12:27:00 AM  

cameroncrazy1984: Free_Chilly_Willy: cameroncrazy1984: Free_Chilly_Willy: And so the gradual degradation of American businesses begins.

It's the f*cking Olive Garden. Like it was the classiest joint to begin with.

I'll be sure to tell that the waiters/cooks/hostesses/young people who will lose thier jobs and/or be cut hours because of this.

Great job libs!!!

And who are they going to get to replace them? Who's going to be willing to work part-time for no benefits when other companies are hiring full-time with healthcare?


not to mention the fact that olive garden is teaching younger workers that voting for the GOP isn't going to help their personal bottom line. you make people cold and hungry, they taunt them with a life they can never have...sooner or later they're gonna want to do something about it. you might not like what they decide to do.
 
2012-10-09 12:28:11 AM  

ox45tallboy: The Sun. They're overwhelmingly liberal.


Bullshiat. They took a major turn to the right recently. They were also very right in the 1980s.


Can Britain take
five more years
of hard Labour?
Published: 06th May 2010

The Conservatives are the only choice if you want to rescue Britain from disaster.

Read more: http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/sun_says/2961073/The-Sun-Say s-David-Cameron-is-our-only-hope.html#ixzz28lyRbA72


Read more: http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/sun_says/2961073/The-Sun-Say s-David-Cameron-is-our-only-hope.html#ixzz28ly6sz6W
 
2012-10-09 12:28:57 AM  

doglover: It's not a bad thing for bad systems to change.


Who says it was a bad system? To anyone who depended on that job, it was proboly working out pretty well.

Tell that to anyone who is going to have less to take home now.
 
2012-10-09 12:30:02 AM  

GhostFish: A Dark Evil Omen: You can keep pretending that all we're doing is "sit-ins" if that's what gets you off.

I take no pleasure in it. I find it frustrating that all that energy was largely wasted.
I visited a couple Occupy events, and saw nothing but people sitting around and playing music and talking out their asses.

If you've had better luck, good on you.


Well, did you bring up any ideas of your own to anyone? Try to set up working groups or even get hooked in with any? I mean, I get where you're coming from in that I've fought with people over trying to be more accessible, but we won't do anything for you.

We're not a political party. We're not a PAC. We're not a charity. We're a social movement.

Here in Seattle we established the People's Library to take up the slack when the SPL was temporarily shut down because some people got together and decided to do it. We did strike support for Davis Wire and for Waste Management because some people got together and decided to do it. We've been working with the Leonard Peltier coalition because some people decided to do it. All the occupations are is a way to bring people together so they can share resources. No one gives orders, everyone gets their voice heard. Yeah, there's a lot of assholes and a lot of bullshiat and a lot of people trying to drain the movement's energy (mostly to turn it into some kind of sad electoral machine, even now that we're no longer flavor-of-the-week). If you can't do that? Well, things are getting worse before they get better. There'll be a lot more things that need fixing and a lot more gaps to fill before it gets any better. Maybe when there's something important to you that's being gutted, stolen or burned to the ground, you'll find those people to talk to.
 
2012-10-09 12:30:26 AM  

randomjsa: So basically what you're saying, as liberals is... "Okay Conservatives, you were right, and we were liars or fools to actually say that ObamaCare would save businesses so much money!"


Nobody ever claimed it would save businesses money (except perhaps small business that can get substantial tax credits). If businesses could save money by offering health benefits, they would have already been doing so.

No, this was always certain to cost business money. Just like banning child labor or instituting workplace health & safety regulations cost businesses money. Corporate profits are not the be-all and end-all of civilization.

It will, on the other hand, save money for the nation as a whole.
 
2012-10-09 12:31:09 AM  

GhostFish:

We came unarmed...this time?


I think it more likely that the GOP is going to be a price for abandoning everyone under the age of 55. they don't see it right now, because the baby boomers are keeping them afloat. but 10 years? 20 years? there might not BE a Republican party anymore. the way things are trending, the GOP is losing a lot of younger voters and not getting them back. Hell, even Limbaugh is losing his audience. he hasn't picked up any new listeners in a while, just maintained his grip on what he already had. that's the way with most GOP pundits and political organizations. no new blood at all. just the same faces as always.
 
2012-10-09 12:31:20 AM  

12349876: The Conservatives are the only choice if you want to rescue Britain from disaster.


If their Conservatives were anything remotely like our Conservatives you might have a point. However, they're not, so you're wrong.
 
2012-10-09 12:32:38 AM  

Free_Chilly_Willy: doglover: It's not a bad thing for bad systems to change.

Who says it was a bad system? To anyone who depended on that job, it was proboly working out pretty well.

Tell that to anyone who is going to have less to take home now.


Tell that to anyone who is going to have less to take home now but isn't going to have to go bankrupt because they're getting preventive care and don't end up going to the ER.

Tell that to anyone who is going to have less to take home now but can afford to see the doctor about their treatment options.

Tell that to anyone who is going to be on their parents insurance until age 26

Tell that to anyone who is going to be getting insurance even though they have a "pre-existing condition"
 
2012-10-09 12:33:12 AM  

Weaver95: not to mention the fact that olive garden is teaching younger workers that voting for the GOP isn't going to help their personal bottom line


Or that voting for big government and massive regualations will cause buisnesses to do what they can to watch thier bottom line.

If I were an impressable young college student cuaght up in the "Hope and Change" working there, that is what i would take away from it.
 
2012-10-09 12:33:13 AM  

ox45tallboy: 12349876: The Conservatives are the only choice if you want to rescue Britain from disaster.

If their Conservatives were anything remotely like our Conservatives you might have a point. However, they're not, so you're wrong.


Point

You
 
2012-10-09 12:33:30 AM  

Free_Chilly_Willy: doglover: It's not a bad thing for bad systems to change.

Who says it was a bad system? To anyone who depended on that job, it was proboly working out pretty well.

Tell that to anyone who is going to have less to take home now.


what's weird is that you really don't seem to understand that voters know they're taking a pay cut so that the CEOs and corporate insiders can add more money to the massive piles of cash they've already got...
 
2012-10-09 12:33:48 AM  
Helooooooooooooo universal single-payer!
 
2012-10-09 12:33:49 AM  

Free_Chilly_Willy: Weaver95: not to mention the fact that olive garden is teaching younger workers that voting for the GOP isn't going to help their personal bottom line

Or that voting for big government and massive regualations will cause buisnesses to do what they can to watch thier bottom line.

If I were an impressable young college student cuaght up in the "Hope and Change" working there, that is what i would take away from it.


If you were an impressable [sic] young college student you'd be covered under your parents' insurance.
 
2012-10-09 12:34:34 AM  

Free_Chilly_Willy: Weaver95: not to mention the fact that olive garden is teaching younger workers that voting for the GOP isn't going to help their personal bottom line

Or that voting for big government and massive regualations will cause buisnesses to do what they can to watch thier bottom line.

If I were an impressable young college student cuaght up in the "Hope and Change" working there, that is what i would take away from it.


well, then you'd not be a very observant student. also - spell check is your friend. just sayin' is all.
 
2012-10-09 12:35:03 AM  

cameroncrazy1984: TheEdibleSnuggie: Well, their legal responsibility is to their shareholders. So yes, they're going to try and maximize profits anyway they can so that their shareholders get the maximum benefit out of their investment.

This is not the way to do that. See:

whither_apophis: And then OG hires anyone that walks in the door, service drops to the point where it's worse than the food, consumers vote with their dollars and go to better places, OG's profits tank, and the great nigh mythical shareholder lawsuit comes into play, the CEO gets tarred and feathered and the free market wins again. tada!


But that won't happen though. Essentially you'll have restaurants getting into price wars with one another until one chain either a) goes out of business, or b) is absorbed by another chain; business life cycle starts all over again. Either that, or Darden will start to scale back the number of restaurants it owns until they're dominant in several key markets, and they'll focus on that.

Plus, chances are you're probably eating at a Darden owned establishment and don't even know about it. So if Olive Garden starts tanking, they'll just focus operations on a high margin business like Red Lobster or recycle the food at Bahama Breeze.
 
2012-10-09 12:35:31 AM  

Free_Chilly_Willy: doglover: It's not a bad thing for bad systems to change.

Who says it was a bad system? To anyone who depended on that job, it was proboly working out pretty well.

Tell that to anyone who is going to have less to take home now.


It's obviously still a bad system if Olive Garden can even consider a plan like this.
 
2012-10-09 12:36:18 AM  

TheEdibleSnuggie: cameroncrazy1984: TheEdibleSnuggie: Well, their legal responsibility is to their shareholders. So yes, they're going to try and maximize profits anyway they can so that their shareholders get the maximum benefit out of their investment.

This is not the way to do that. See:

whither_apophis: And then OG hires anyone that walks in the door, service drops to the point where it's worse than the food, consumers vote with their dollars and go to better places, OG's profits tank, and the great nigh mythical shareholder lawsuit comes into play, the CEO gets tarred and feathered and the free market wins again. tada!

But that won't happen though. Essentially you'll have restaurants getting into price wars with one another until one chain either a) goes out of business, or b) is absorbed by another chain; business life cycle starts all over again. Either that, or Darden will start to scale back the number of restaurants it owns until they're dominant in several key markets, and they'll focus on that.

Plus, chances are you're probably eating at a Darden owned establishment and don't even know about it. So if Olive Garden starts tanking, they'll just focus operations on a high margin business like Red Lobster or recycle the food at Bahama Breeze.


And in the meantime, their workers are going to places that provide health insurance.
 
2012-10-09 12:36:28 AM  
And with respect to TFA: The Olive Garden is an evil, soulless corporation that no one should ever give their money to? THE FARKING HELL YOU SAY.
 
2012-10-09 12:36:31 AM  

ox45tallboy: 12349876: The Conservatives are the only choice if you want to rescue Britain from disaster.

If their Conservatives were anything remotely like our Conservatives you might have a point. However, they're not, so you're wrong.


Their Conservatives aren't anything remotely like liberals either, so your assertion that The Sun is "overwhelmingly liberal" is still pants-on-head retarded.
 
2012-10-09 12:37:05 AM  

Teufelaffe: Free_Chilly_Willy: cameroncrazy1984: Free_Chilly_Willy: And so the gradual degradation of American businesses begins.

It's the f*cking Olive Garden. Like it was the classiest joint to begin with.

I'll be sure to tell that the waiters/cooks/hostesses/young people who will lose thier jobs and/or be cut hours because of this.

Great job libs!!!

Blaming this kind of shiat on the "libs" is like the guy who beats his wife saying, "Look what you made me do!" after he hits her. Darden should just man the fark up and be honest, "I don't like the idea of making less profit, and I don't give a flying fark about anyone who works for me, so I'm going to do whatever it takes to keep profits high, no matter what it means to my employees."


I expect the CEO to be on "Undercover boss" to try and cover their ass.

/the most ridiculous piece of propaganda foisted on the American public since John Stossel reported on ... well, anything.
 
2012-10-09 12:37:36 AM  

tenpoundsofcheese: BarkingUnicorn: I've been expecting this move.

But why is it legal for Darden to require a cut of servers' tips?

They don't have to take the job if they aren't willing to agree to the terms of employment.


Were those same terms applied to shilling, or whatever it is you actually do for a living, and the only gig you could find was one that retained a portion of your income for utterly arbitrary reasons - would you still hold that opinion?

Some restaurants require a "tip out" to the house in the amount of the fees incurred by credit cards. That's correct - rather than eat the cost of their own payment method they dink the server for it. And at chain restaurants like Darden's, those servers don't make dick (it's not like working at a nice steakhouse where every table averages well over $100). These folks are lucky to make $70 after busting their ass for a fat-ass American public that always needs four extra sides of ranch and 7 root beers only because the refills are free.

If you think this is appropriate, or your only answer is "that person can refuse employment even though it's the only job available," well, you can just fark right off.

/and if you are a paid shill (as you joked you were), you're not even good at it. The idea is to pay shills to influence opinion, not galvanize the internet's hatred of Republicans. Maybe you should try waiting tables at a Darden restaurant.
 
2012-10-09 12:38:02 AM  

cman: A Dark Evil Omen: Weaver95: um...it's not a conspiracy. the corporate news folks simply manipulated the way the portrayed OWS to the nation. you saw plenty of heavily pierced and tattooed freaks with hippie hair and tie dyed shirts...but very few interviews that covered the basics of what OWS was doing. let alone the cops administering the occasional beat down on anyone who looked like they might be a protester. 'average america' never got to see what was being done in their name.

Yep. There were a number of times where reports spoke to people at Westlake and SCCC when the camps were still up, got lots of good, intelligent responses and then used whatever the dumbest, weirdest-looking person they could find said.

Compare that to the kid-glove treatment the Tea Party got. Hell, still gets!

You see that because you want to see that. OWS and Tea Party both got thrashed in the media. Since OWS is your side, you want to fit whatever you can to make you feel like the other side has an unfair advantage. Guess what? The Tea Party thinks exactly the same way as you do. They think that OWS has gotten a free pass while the Tea Party has been hammered week after week in the news.

We see what we only want to see. We create our own reality. If you sat back and actually watched you would see that news networks care about showing morons. Hell, Drew Curtis wrote a damn book about it.


Find me some tea partier's that were beaten by the police. Keep in mind they brought guns.
 
2012-10-09 12:38:44 AM  

A Dark Evil Omen: And with respect to TFA: The Olive Garden is an evil, soulless corporation that no one should ever give their money to? THE FARKING HELL YOU SAY.


ya know, I don't mind working for an evil corporation...I just expect to be well paid for my efforts. i'm more than happy to help destroy the environment, pillage natural resources and rape the earth 'till it bleeds...but I want double time for working holidays, a decent medical plan AND a profit sharing arrangement.
 
2012-10-09 12:39:01 AM  

cameroncrazy1984: If you were an impressable [sic] young college student you'd be covered under your parents' insurance.


If THEY havent lost thier own insurence because thier bosses have decided just to pay the fee....
 
2012-10-09 12:40:49 AM  
Sounds like Obama needs to give another inspiring speech so reality will go away.
 
2012-10-09 12:40:56 AM  

Free_Chilly_Willy: cameroncrazy1984: If you were an impressable [sic] young college student you'd be covered under your parents' insurance.

If THEY havent lost thier own insurence because thier bosses have decided just to pay the fee....


I find your lack of spell check to be distracting. are you really this bad, or are you doing it on purpose?
 
2012-10-09 12:41:36 AM  

Notabunny: Helooooooooooooo universal single-payer nurse!


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2012-10-09 12:41:46 AM  

Weaver95: Free_Chilly_Willy: cameroncrazy1984: If you were an impressable [sic] young college student you'd be covered under your parents' insurance.

If THEY havent lost thier own insurence because thier bosses have decided just to pay the fee....

I find your lack of spell check to be distracting. are you really this bad, or are you doing it on purpose?


IE6 most likely
 
2012-10-09 12:43:44 AM  

Teufelaffe: Their Conservatives aren't anything remotely like liberals either, so your assertion that The Sun is "overwhelmingly liberal" is still pants-on-head retarded.


Yes, you go on thinking that.

/pats you on the head
 
2012-10-09 12:43:58 AM  

GhostFish:

When the demographic shift is needed, they can switch over to paying more lip-service to the "libertarians" and Paulites and reap a healthy crop of new voters. Just look how easily they reabsorbed the Tea Party before it could fully break away. And now the Tea Party is ready and willing to vote the Neocons back into power, despite the fact that they are absolutely to blame for everything that the Tea Party was railing against. The GOP adapts well when it needs to. It's run by a lot of guys who know how to manipulate people. And there are plenty of younger guys that want to take those higher positions when the torch needs to be passed.


I don't think so. the GOP is having a LOT of problems adapting to newer technologies. the younger voter crowd uses social media a LOT - not just to find new ideas and communicate amongst themselves but to fact check their party and research their own answers to questions they think are important. the GOP, on the other hand, seems barely aware of the impact that 'net has on their message and actually told voters to ignore fact checkers as being 'irrelevant'. I don't think the Republicans are going to be able to bring younger voters into the party in any significant number. they've damaged their brand almost to the point of no return.
 
2012-10-09 12:44:39 AM  

cameroncrazy1984: 1) It's needlessly complicated
2) It still leaves millions of people uninsured
3) It doesn't actually do anything to deal with the high cost of health care

The situation in TFA is a combination of fault 1 and fault 2.

Please explain each of those.


1) Needless complication: it's a patchwork of private employer-based care, government-run exchanges for private insurance, expanded government-funded healthcare (Medicaid), and so forth. Each kind of coverage is very different from the others but they all have to be overseen by government to insure that they're working. A far simpler system would have been universal single payer -- you know, the kind of health care civilized countries have.

2) Millions left uninsured: From the CBO (PDF doc): Estimates for the Insurance Coverage Provisions of the Affordable Care Act Updated for the Recent Supreme Court Decision, Page 13:
CBO and JCT now estimate that the ACA, in comparison with prior law before the enactment of the ACA, will reduce the number of nonelderly people without health insurance coverage by 14 million in 2014 and by 29 million or 30 million in the latter part of the coming decade, leaving 30 million nonelderly residents uninsured by the end of the period (see Table 3, at the end of this report). Before the Supreme Court's decision, the latter number had been 27 million.

cameroncrazy1984: 3) It doesn't actually do anything to deal with the high cost of health care:

Health care costs in Massachusetts haven't gone down. In fact, just this summer, Massachusetts enacted a new law to tackle health care costs because (from ABC News):
Paying for health care is not a problem unique to Massachusetts. But if expanding coverage is supposed to drive down costs in the long term, as advocates of health reform have suggested, it's an after-effect not yet felt in Massachusetts. Since the law was passed in 2006, per-capita spending on health care in the state has increased to 15 percent higher than the national average and health insurance premiums have skyrocketed to one of the highest in the nation, according to a study by the nonpartisan Kaiser Family Foundation.
And, interestingly, one of the most costly parts of healthcare has increased: use of emergency department resources. As the Boston Globe noted: Emergency room visits grow in Mass; New insurance law did not reduce number of users
 
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