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(Orlando Sentinel)   Olive Garden says, gosh, I guess we'll just have to shoulder the new Obamacare costs in this crappy economy. Just kidding, they want to make all their workers part time   (articles.orlandosentinel.com) divider line 269
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2012-10-08 06:55:47 PM
I've been expecting this move.

But why is it legal for Darden to require a cut of servers' tips?
 
2012-10-08 07:04:51 PM

BarkingUnicorn: I've been expecting this move.

But why is it legal for Darden to require a cut of servers' tips?


Making them share tips with the bartenders, who had their pay cut.

That said, given the anecdote of one person saying "Fine, I will work somewhere else", this is probably going to backfire on them as they acquire a reputation for being more concerned about costs than employees and offering a less beneficial package to people seeking work.

But hey more power to them, hand of the free market and all that.
 
2012-10-08 07:32:45 PM
In Massachusetts under RomneyCare many of the penalties are assessed per full-time equivalent. So two workers working part time doing the same job count as a full time position. So if the cut off is 50 employees before the mandates for coverage kick in you could in theory have 100 part time workers and then have the mandates apply, but you can't just make everyone part time without limit and get away with it. Seems fair.

Also, you're allowed to pay them what like $2/hr as servers and you still can't afford a cheap plan that just barely meets the coverage requirements?
 
2012-10-08 07:36:49 PM

itsdan: Also, you're allowed to pay them what like $2/hr as servers and you still can't afford a cheap plan that just barely meets the coverage requirements?


Well, this IS Olive Garden we're talking about.
 
2012-10-08 07:41:16 PM

Ambivalence: Well, this IS Olive Garden we're talking about.


I don't think you should be able to offer unlimited soup/salad/breadsticks and then cry poor.
 
2012-10-08 08:34:34 PM
and people are surprised by this, why?

businesses have stated that it is easier for them to ditch people's health care and pay the fine (for those full time) or to just shift more people to part time.
 
2012-10-08 08:36:11 PM
There seemed to be an awful lot of "might"s, and "maybe"s in that article

/so the obvious answer appears to be "f*ck everybody, just in case"
 
2012-10-08 08:37:38 PM

BarkingUnicorn: I've been expecting this move.

But why is it legal for Darden to require a cut of servers' tips?


They don't have to take the job if they aren't willing to agree to the terms of employment.
 
2012-10-08 08:39:31 PM
And this is on top of already reducing labor costs over the past few years? This seems like less issues over health care and more like "We're maximizing profits any way we can."
 
2012-10-08 08:45:23 PM
Hey, this works for Wal-Mart!

My sister is part time, but has worked less than 40 hours precisely three times since she got the job. But she doesn't get benefits, because it is a "part-time position". The screwy thing is when they make the employees show up at 10 PM on Friday nights, count them tardy if they are late, but do not allow them to clock in and begin work until they have waited the amount of time they have been asked to "work over" throughout the week. For instance, if lots of stuff needs to be done Tuesday morning, a manager might ask her to stay an hour late to help out. If she does, then she won't be allowed to clock in until an hour after her scheduled time on Friday. However, she is expected to "report in" at her scheduled time, and then she can go do whatever she wants (including leaving the area if she has a car, otherwise hanging out in the parking lot with all the unsavory characters you find in a Wal-Mart parking lot at 10:30 on Friday nights) until the hour is up. Can't have anyone getting overtime they were asked to work!

Since their army of lawyers has so far kept the labor-based lawsuits at bay (including reports of locking employees in the store), they're setting precedent for many other cases, and many other businesses to take on this same way of treating their employees. After all, when someone complains, you fire the offending manager, and then put someone else in their place that is forced to make the same unrealistic goals through whatever means necessary.
 
2012-10-08 08:45:31 PM
I know nothing of business but isn't the largest cost of a restaurant payroll?
 
2012-10-08 08:45:55 PM

Irving Maimway: And this is on top of already reducing labor costs over the past few years? This seems like less issues over health care and more like "We're maximizing profits any way we can."


Record breaking profits with historically low taxes. Sounds like a trickle down supporter's greatest dream. Too bad for the middle class that it is doing exactly as it was planned to do.
 
2012-10-08 08:46:55 PM
This is a test program, and hopefully it will be shown to be unfeasible. Just that it's a test program and they're not doing it across the board shows that they're not confident they can fight this and are just floating a balloon.
 
2012-10-08 08:55:44 PM
If destroying Olive Garden isn't in the "pro" column for ObamaCare, I don't know what is.
 
2012-10-08 08:57:31 PM

BarkingUnicorn: I've been expecting this move.

But why is it legal for Darden to require a cut of servers' tips?

Every

restaurant that has a bar I've ever worked in does this. The philosophy is, the diner is tipping based on total guest experience. Since people are such assholes that they will stiff their waiter if the hostess takes too long to seat them, or the busboy doesn't take their dinner plates soon enough, or the bartender doesn't put extra liquor in their drinks, then the owners figure that the server should pitch in part of the tips for the times those people tip well.

The worst part is that your "tip-out" at the end of the night is based on your total sales, and there is no exception for the dickwad that stiffed you because the bartender made sh*tty drinks - you pay the same tipshare out of your pocket. The highest I ever had to pay was 3 1/2%, but I know people that have paid at least 5%. This means that if you sell $1000 in a night, you can expect tips of about $150 (Yes, most people might tip 18-20%, but the remainder tip less, not more). Out of this, I would give the house $35, so I would take home $115 for about 10-12 hrs. work.

The restaurant that took 5% generally had about the same sales (the food was more expensive, but you were only allowed to take care of fewer tables) but the people tipped better. The waiters there would make $180 in tips on $1000 in sales, but then would "tip out" $50, so would be left with $130. Yes, the high-end restaurants paid about the same to their waiters as the cheaper ones.

FWIW, the best money I ever made waiting tables was at a buffet restaurant that rhymes with "Olden Doral". Yes, I got tipped about $2 -$5 per table, but I waited on about 8-10 tables at a time. I didn't walk in to a 6 1/2 hour shift for less than $100, with no tip-out.
 
2012-10-08 08:57:39 PM
When you're here, you're family.

When you work here, you're farked.
 
2012-10-08 09:04:12 PM

MoonPirate: I know nothing of business but isn't the largest cost of a restaurant payroll?


Actually, generally speaking, food cost should be about 25-26%, liquor cost 20% (of liquor drinks, of course), overhead less than 30%, and labor cost somewhere around 25-28%. Advertising can vary from 0% to 10%, depending on circumstances,

Restaurants vary greatly in these numbers. For example, some buildings, especially family-owned restaurants, are totally paid off, so their overhead costs are lower (they only pay for repairs and utilities). Advertising specials such as cheap wings or coupons may not only raise your advertising costs, but also raise your food costs at the same time it raises total income. At the same time, you may not let anyone know that you've raised the price of drinks by $1 each, which lowers your liquor costs in an effort to make up for the shortfall on the food.
 
2012-10-08 09:06:07 PM
So olive garden is going to suck even more now?

Is that possible?
 
2012-10-08 09:08:41 PM

Aarontology: If destroying Olive Garden isn't in the "pro" column for ObamaCare, I don't know what is.


I never worked at Olive Garden, but as a customer, I say the food is on the level of Marie Callender's from the Wal-Mart freezer. I do think it is worth $10-15 for the unlimited soup, salad, and breadsticks every once in a while, since I also eat Marie Callender's on a regular basis. The (relatively) fresh-baked breadsticks are far superior to anything I can do at home without a lot of preparation.

I eat McDonald's, too. I don't expect a royal feast every time I consume food. Most of the time, if it tastes okay, and it's not too expensive, I'm good.
 
2012-10-08 09:10:41 PM

Dead for Tax Reasons: So olive garden is going to suck even more now?

Is that possible?


Well, look at this way. Other restaurants will soon have cooks and servers that have health care for a change. Olive Garden servers and cooks will still not have health care. Which group of people would you rather have handling your food?
 
2012-10-08 09:13:31 PM
Analysts said limiting hours could pose new challenges, including higher turnover and less-qualified workers.

What could possibly go wrong?
 
2012-10-08 09:19:07 PM

fusillade762: Analysts said limiting hours could pose new challenges, including higher turnover and less-qualified workers.

What could possibly go wrong?


Not to mention competing against other restaurants that provide health insurance, so the employees aren't stuck trying to get it on the exchanges.
 
2012-10-08 09:22:47 PM

fusillade762: Analysts said limiting hours could pose new challenges, including higher turnover and less-qualified workers.

What could possibly go wrong?


Less qualified. Less qualified than a present Olive Garden employee

/just wrap your brain around that concept
 
2012-10-08 09:24:30 PM

Aarontology: If destroying Olive Garden isn't in the "pro" column for ObamaCare, I don't know what is.


Bingo!
 
2012-10-08 09:28:07 PM

ox45tallboy: Dead for Tax Reasons: So olive garden is going to suck even more now?

Is that possible?

Well, look at this way. Other restaurants will soon have cooks and servers that have health care for a change. Olive Garden servers and cooks will still not have health care. Which group of people would you rather have handling your food?


I hadn't thought of that... Euwww.
 
2012-10-08 09:41:07 PM

davidphogan: I hadn't thought of that... Euwww.


Why not an ad campaign by one of their competitors?

(OPEN SCENE)

Server is coughing and sneezing into their white, button-down starched shirt, then wiping their face with the long apron.
(VOICEOVER)
AT SOME RESTAURANTS, THEY DENY THEIR EMPLOYEES BASIC RIGHTS LIKE HEALTH CARE

(CUT TO KITCHEN IN SAME RESTAURANT)
Cook in chef's hat is coughing while stirring white clam chowder

(CUT TO SMILING HAPPY SERVERS IN SOLID-COLORED POLO SHIRTS)

(VOICEOVER)
AT APPLEBEE'S WE TAKE PRIDE IN PROVIDING THE BEST HEALTH CARE IN THE INDUSTRY FOR OUR BEST RESOURCE - OUR PEOPLE!

(CUT TO ATTRACTIVE BLONDE SERVER IN APPLEBEE'S UNIFORM AND MINISKIRT)

(VOICEOVER)
OUR EMPLOYEES ARE EVEN REGULARLY TESTED FOR STD'S, SO YOU KNOW WHAT YOU'RE BRINGING HOME!

(CUT BACK TO ATTRACTIVE BLONDE SERVER DELIVERING LARGE STEAK WITH SIDE ITEMS, THEN CLOSE-UP OF ATTRACTIVE BLONDE)

(CUT TO CLOSEUP OF PASTA WITH BREADSTICKS, SLOW PAN BACK TO SERVERS FACE IN OLIVE GARDEN UNIFORM IMMEDIATELY ABOVE IT, COMPLETE WITH COLD SORE, SMILING, THEN COUGHING ONTO FOOD)
Is there anything else I can... give you?

(QUICK CUT TO BLACK)
 
2012-10-08 09:54:04 PM

BarkingUnicorn: I've been expecting this move.

But why is it legal for Darden to require a cut of servers' tips?


Every restaurant I ever worked at required me to tip out a percentage of my this to bus boys and a percentage of my alcohol sales to the bar. That's pretty standard. And servers who stiff the bus boys and bartenders don't last long when their beverages come at a snails pace and their tables aren't getting cleaned to get the sat again.
 
2012-10-08 09:58:28 PM
You guys expected anything less?

If you did not see this coming when obamacare was being debated then you are a moron. Businesses care not for their bottom line. They will always find ways of keeping their costs low.
 
2012-10-08 09:59:26 PM

cman: You guys expected anything less?

If you did not see this coming when obamacare was being debated then you are a moron. Businesses care only for their bottom line. They will always find ways of keeping their costs low.


Whoops, that made no sense. Fixt
 
2012-10-08 10:07:53 PM

cman: Businesses care only for their bottom line. They will always find ways of keeping their costs low.


All the more reason to de-couple employers and health insurance.
 
2012-10-08 10:09:17 PM
"I think a lot of those employers, especially restaurants, are just going to ensure nobody gets scheduled more than 30 hours a week," said Matthew Snook, partner with human-resources consulting company Mercer.

Because if there's one thing that really makes me want to eat there it's knowing that the staff handling my food don't have adequate health care coverage AND know they're getting boned by their greedy employer.

yeah. no thanks.
 
2012-10-08 10:11:29 PM

AdolfOliverPanties: When you're here, you're family.

When you work here, you're farked.


isn't that the 111th rule of acquisition? Treat people in your debt like family ... exploit them.
 
2012-10-08 10:16:01 PM
That doesn't sound like hospitaliano.
 
2012-10-08 10:17:38 PM

Dusk-You-n-Me: cman: Businesses care only for their bottom line. They will always find ways of keeping their costs low.

All the more reason to de-couple employers and health insurance.


I ain't saying that is a bad idea.

Liberals won, you got your healthcare bill passed. However, the sting of the bill is unbearable (individual mandate). As I have said in the past I would have preferred government run healthcare over being forced to buy a product from a for profit business. It is a matter of principles for me. Government ran tax payers healthcare is acceptable, but forcing one to partake in commerce is not.
 
2012-10-08 10:18:03 PM

JerseyTim: That doesn't sound like hospitaliano.


When you're here, you're family.

Unless you work here, then go f*ck yourself.
 
2012-10-08 10:20:10 PM

cman: Liberals won


lol
 
2012-10-08 10:22:33 PM

ox45tallboy: Well, look at this way. Other restaurants will soon have cooks and servers that have health care for a change. Olive Garden servers and cooks will still not have health care. Which group of people would you rather have handling your food?


Ding, ding, ding!

Yep, that's pretty gross.
 
2012-10-08 10:22:40 PM
Money should have no connection to healthcare. Gimme the NHS any day.
 
2012-10-08 10:27:20 PM

cman: You guys expected anything less?

If you did not see this coming when obamacare was being debated then you are a moron. Businesses care only for their bottom line. They will always find ways of keeping their costs low.


If Romney wins and the ACA gets repealed, do you think Olive Garden will reverse this?

/hint: no.
 
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2012-10-08 10:47:38 PM
Soon America is going to have their fill of the corporate greed and they're going to take to the streets for an American spring. The people will push the corporate reset button and these greedy f*cks will be looking for safe haven in a socialist nations around the globe.
 
2012-10-08 10:47:56 PM

Dusk-You-n-Me: cman: Businesses care only for their bottom line. They will always find ways of keeping their costs low.

All the more reason to de-couple employers and health insurance.


Go back to Kenya, socialist!!!
 
2012-10-08 10:51:48 PM

cman: Liberals won, you got your healthcare bill passed.


Liberals did not win. If liberals had won we'd have single payer healthcare right now. Moderates won. you know, those people that are neither liberal nor conservative but constantly triangulating to a mythical "sweet center" that doesn't exist?
 
2012-10-08 10:52:44 PM

NFA: Soon America is going to have their fill of the corporate greed and they're going to take to the streets for an American spring. The people will push the corporate reset button and these greedy f*cks will be looking for safe haven in a socialist nations around the globe.


Occupy was supposed to be that, but that fizzled out pretty quickly.
 
2012-10-08 11:03:43 PM
Totally expected. More companies will offer part-time jobs rather than pay health care. Besides, the fed has offered so many exemptions, what's the point?

On the flip side, if businesses choose to keep people on full-time, wanna bet those costs get passed on to consumers?
 
2012-10-08 11:05:21 PM

themindiswatching: NFA: Soon America is going to have their fill of the corporate greed and they're going to take to the streets for an American spring. The people will push the corporate reset button and these greedy f*cks will be looking for safe haven in a socialist nations around the globe.

Occupy was supposed to be that, but that fizzled out pretty quickly.


Food prices haven't gone high enough for that to happen. Yet.
 
2012-10-08 11:10:07 PM
You call what they do at OG work?

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/all hail the great Sysconian Empire
 
2012-10-08 11:13:32 PM

slayer199: On the flip side, if businesses choose to keep people on full-time, wanna bet those costs get passed on to consumers?


In most cases, the "full-time" employees already have benefits such as health care.

I concede to Republicans everywhere that ObamaCare is a clusterf*ck, but it is still better than anything the Republicans have proposed since they started telling everyone that they (the Republicans) had never proposed ObamaCare in the first place.

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2012-10-08 11:19:34 PM
Here's a 24 page pdf on how Olive Garden treats their staff as badly as Walmart workers. -PDF-

And then there's this:
Olive Garden, Red Lobster, Capital Grille Poor Working Conditions Creating Investor Liability
Olive Garden is already directly connected to a Hepatitis A incident, in which a class action lawsuit was filed against Darden for fostering the conditions that endangered thousands of people. Without timely corrective action, major and potentially irreparable brand damage may follow. Advocacy groups are increasingly bringing attention to public health incidents linked with the lack of paid sick days and low wages, which do not allow workers to take a day off when sick; the Olive Garden Hepatitis scare underscores how disastrous that practice can be.

My sister works for Olive Garden. If she asks for the day off because she's really sick they tell her no. They'll fire her. She tries to wash her hands as much as possible to keep from passing colds/illness to the customers, but that takes time and management get pissed if the staff isn't moving things along as quickly as possible.
 
2012-10-08 11:24:34 PM

DanZero: /all hail the great Sysconian Empire


www.syscoportland.com
"Okay, boil-in-the-bag sauces...check, pre-cooked pasta...check, frozen breadsticks...check...pre-cooked checken...pre-cooked chicken....pre-cooked chicken...Hey Mike! Where the f*ck is the pre-cooked chicken? You know this raw sh*t won't work in the microwave!"
 
2012-10-08 11:26:57 PM

penthesilea: Here's a 24 page pdf


...and you just lost 95% of Farkers. I'm sure you had a relevant point, but give us an excerpt or something. We all have ADHD here, you're lucky we can get through a single thread.
 
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