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2012-10-08 05:11:08 PM  
15 votes:
onfederate flag is "a symbol of Christian liberty vs. the new world order."

No. It's a symbol of treason and failure.
2012-10-08 09:41:27 PM  
14 votes:

propasaurus: I know it sounds hyperbolic but I sometimes think we're headed for a new civil war. I don't know if it will be fought the same way as the first one, with guns and cannons, or if it will just be a political shift. But this country will not endure in its current form for much longer.
Say what you will about Obama, and I know there are real valid reasons on both the left and right to disagree with some of his policies, but the way he's governed as a compromising middle of the road centrist SHOULD have united the country behind him. Instead, the right has gone even further to the extreme. As a president who brought the country back from the brink of financial meltdown, he should be leading the lying, waffling candidate who represents everything that led us to that brink.
We'll never again see a candidate for president win with more than a 51% or 52% majority of the popular vote. We may well see a president win with a slight margin in the Electoral College while losing the popular vote.
This is a country deeply divided. We cannot survive with this division, much less with a party who worsens and celebrates that division.
And as long as I'm being hyperbolic, I don't think it's far fetched to say that slavery would rear its ugly head in the new Red States of America.


I hate to agree with you, but I think you're right.

People always say, in a disparaging way, that those of us on the "left" or the "blue states" are scared of the "right" and the "red states." And I am willing to say, absolutely, YES, we are.

As a woman, I am terrified of these people having power. They absolutely hate me. They think I should be a subservient baby machine when I have no desire to, and will never, have children. I never have. I'm only 37 and keep thinking about how they want to outlaw birth control and the morning after pill (even in the case of rape) and wonder if I should try to convince a doctor to do Essure on me just in case this crazy shiat passes.

I don't believe in their God, and even less so in their interpretation of Him. (But I give them the respect of using the capital letter because I think people deserve respect in their belief... unfortunately, they do not extend the same to me.)

I am struggling middle class. They have no regard for me. Not that I should be worried about salary since I should just be having babies every year or so until menopause (or never having sex, ever, even if I am raped.) How I pay for them is my problem, never mind the hospital bills since they have no desire in ensuring I have any sort of healthcare.

They want to take away the Social Security I have paid into for over 20 years, as well as Medicare and Medicaid, which I have also paid into. I am pretty sure they also want to get rid of unemployment. All of the safety nets I have paid into since I was a teenager, as well as the plans that are supposed to be there when I am elderly.

Never mind that I have no problem with gay marriage, gay adoption, gay people in general, amnesty for illegal immigrants who were brought here as children, or helping the less fortunate. Or expecting the very rich to pay their share. And I don't think corporations deserve to have "rights" the same way we individuals do.

And they think they're right.

How is ths solved WITHOUT some sort of civil war?
2012-10-08 05:02:28 PM  
11 votes:
Finally. They are coming out. We get to see more and more GOP for what they are.
2012-10-08 07:27:36 PM  
8 votes:
I know it sounds hyperbolic but I sometimes think we're headed for a new civil war. I don't know if it will be fought the same way as the first one, with guns and cannons, or if it will just be a political shift. But this country will not endure in its current form for much longer.
Say what you will about Obama, and I know there are real valid reasons on both the left and right to disagree with some of his policies, but the way he's governed as a compromising middle of the road centrist SHOULD have united the country behind him. Instead, the right has gone even further to the extreme. As a president who brought the country back from the brink of financial meltdown, he should be leading the lying, waffling candidate who represents everything that led us to that brink.
We'll never again see a candidate for president win with more than a 51% or 52% majority of the popular vote. We may well see a president win with a slight margin in the Electoral College while losing the popular vote.
This is a country deeply divided. We cannot survive with this division, much less with a party who worsens and celebrates that division.
And as long as I'm being hyperbolic, I don't think it's far fetched to say that slavery would rear its ugly head in the new Red States of America.
2012-10-08 05:15:16 PM  
7 votes:

FlashHarry: Mauch, a first term legislator, wrote the letters starting in 2000. He has called Lincoln a "fake neurotic Northern war criminal" and said the 16th president committed "premeditated murder" on the Constitution. He called Lincoln and Civil War generals "Wehrmacht leaders" -- the name for the armed forces in Nazi Germany. He also praised his ancestors for standing up to "Northern aggression" and said the Confederate flag is "a symbol of Christian liberty vs. the new world order."

*Facepalm*


Well, to be fair, look at the treatment the south received at the end of the war. The leaders of armed insurrection against the United States, publicly flogged, humiliated and executed. Their families raped and murdered for mere association with them. Their lands and titles stripped and confiscated.

Oh, that's right. Actually they were all given complete amnesty and they lived out the rest of their lives quietly.

At least, their lives were quiet after the United States turned its back and allowed them to go on a murderous campaign of revenge against liberated slaves.
2012-10-09 12:21:02 AM  
6 votes:
If slavery were so God-awful, why didn't Jesus or Paul condemn it, why was it in the Constitution and why wasn't there a war before 1861?

Actually, you simpering farkwit, we almost had several civil wars (or at least secessions) before 1861. Under the Articles of Confederation, Kentucky nearly seceded and joined the Spanish Empire due to the Federal Government's inability to control Indian raids in the West. Virginia almost seceded in 1795 over the Alien and Sedition Acts, New England discussed secession in 1800 and during the War of 1812. There was the Missouri Compromise of 1820, the Nullification Crisis of 1832, The Kansas-Nebraska Act of 1854, Bleeding Kansas, and who knows how many local movements popped up over the centuries.
2012-10-08 05:04:32 PM  
6 votes:
If slavery were so God-awful, why didn't Jesus or Paul condemn it, why was it in the Constitution and why wasn't there a war before 1861?

These are the actual beliefs of an actual elected official.
2012-10-08 09:34:47 PM  
5 votes:
If slavery is such a blessing maybe whitey should try it?
2012-10-08 06:52:46 PM  
5 votes:
Let's see...


Slavery was a blessing

Disobedient children should be executed

The big bang and evolution are straight from the pits of hell

A woman can't get pregnant unless she enjoys her rape

Dogfighting is OK because humans box

Climate change will not destroy us because God made a promise to Noah


Anything other nuggets of GOP wisdom I'm forgetting?
2012-10-09 04:50:03 AM  
4 votes:
I'm a republican currently voting democrat until the crazy assed nutcases finally get chased outta my party.

I encourage other republicans who think homegrown extremism isn't the answer to foreign extremism to do likewise.
2012-10-09 06:58:27 AM  
3 votes:

DrPainMD: They both said, basically, that if it wasn't for slavery, all the black people in the US would be starving in Africa. And let's face it... the worst in America live better than the vast majority in Africa. When Rock says it, people nod and say, "he's got a point," but this politician guy gets branded as being "pro-slavery" and a racist for saying the same thing.


No no no no NO NO!

When Chris Rock says it they laugh, because he's a comedian - a jester, a CLOWN. When this dude says it he gets branded pro-slavery and a racist because he's offering apologia for slavery and he's in a position of power and authority, which is the pinch of something extra you need to add to simple bigotry or supremacist opinions to make those opinions racist.  Do you understand? Random joker making random joke = funny. Random guy with stereotypes of a specific race = bigotry. Random guy who believes there are scientific, religious, naturalistic justifications for his race to exert oppressive authority over another race = racism.

Sitting Senator writing a "scholarly tract" justifying slavery = political platform of racial supremacy = racism. 



This is not difficult. There is no excuse for a logical person with even a shred of intellectual honesty to not understand the difference, especially not after it has been explained.
2012-10-09 06:48:00 AM  
3 votes:

Ow My Balls: When Democrats go bad, they overspend a little on programs with good intentions. When Republicans go bad, they alienate rape victims, start unnecessary wars that cost us $1 to $2,000,000,000 per week for over a decade, allow Wall Street robber barons to destroy the economy, ...


Well. Democrats have been known to commit illegal acts without any reasonable explanation that includes "good intentions." Anwar al-Awlaki, while a terrorist sympathizer and agitator against US interests, was not charged with any crime or even suspected of bearing arms against America when he was executed without due process under order of President Obama, in furtherance of that war you mentioned, and various Democratic state attorney generals signed a settlement over robo-signing and other bank frauds that further insulated the architects of the whole Wall Street debacle from any punishment, even in a civil court.

So, I get what you mean; the Dems aren't racists and homophobes and misogynists, they may even be able to be shamed back into some semblance of good behavior, while the chances of Republican rehabilitation seem much smaller, but we're well past the point where the Dems are just hapless, accidental losers and the Republicans are a malignant tumor. They're both metastisizing and it's really depressing.
2012-10-09 04:45:53 AM  
3 votes:
Even more hilarious is the fact all the Fark conservative trolls are trying to pin racism and slavery on "Democrats" while this guy is distancing himself from Republicans of the past... oh I love it.
2012-10-08 10:20:24 PM  
3 votes:
I defend his right to express to the world that he's a freakin' moron.
2012-10-08 05:22:22 PM  
3 votes:
Remember: this man was elected to represent his constituents

/be afraid
2012-10-08 05:17:49 PM  
3 votes:

Aarontology: onfederate flag is "a symbol of Christian liberty vs. the new world order."

No. It's a symbol of treason and failure.


i54.tinypic.com
2012-10-09 02:39:42 PM  
2 votes:
It may well be true that the descendants of those Africans who were abducted into slavery, as a group, are better off today than the descendants of those who were not. I haven't subjected that to systematic analysis, but it sounds possible. It doesn't follow, however, that the slaves were lucky to be abducted. Furthermore, that whole abduction thing might not have worked out so well with a different outcome in the Civil War.

I guess I have a horse in this race. I'm one of the few 100% white men in America who is the great-grandson of a true slave. My maternal grandfather's dad was born into slavery in Russia in the 1850s. (Russia ended slavery about the same time as the US did.) Because his son, my grandfather, was so deeply affected by his father's past; because he thought true slavery could come back to Czarist Russia at any time; and because conscription into the Russian army, which was still a very real threat in his youth, was just another form of slavery; he fled to Poland, then France, then the USA, where he prospered. (Well, OK, he married a prosperous woman. Same thing.) It is ultimately because of slavery that I had the good fortune to be born into a comfortable life in New York. Those who were born at the same time as I, but whose grandfathers did not escape, were born under the dual curse of poverty and Stalinism.

And still at no time am I tempted to say, "I thank holy mother Russia that my great-grandfather was a slave. That gave me an opportunity." The tragedies of the past may have resulted in favorable outcomes for some people in the present, but that does not mean they were not tragic.

I just have this suspicion that African Americans aren't any more thankful to America for slavery than I am to Russia. I dunno, just call it a hunch.
2012-10-09 10:56:45 AM  
2 votes:

DrPainMD: The fact that the average black person in the US has a much higher standard of living than the average African? How is that not common knowledge? OK, here's a list of countries ranked by per-capita GDP. Look at the bottom 50.

What is your opinion: do blacks in the US have it better here than they would have had if their ancestors were never brought over here (yes, I know that they never would have been born and a whole different group would be there, but that's outside the scope of the discussion)?


Actually, that is the Achilles' Heel of the discussion. That statement is ludicrous owing to the fact that we can never know with certainty that, of the people that were abducted and of their progeny, there would not have been a transformational figure of African politics. It is possible that, in a history with no African slave trade, Africa could have been the leader of the world's economies and we at the bottom.

However, the point is moot since it is impossible to know. It also is idiotic to make a statement that slavery was a good thing since it is, at its core, a fascistic inhumane practice. No amount of "good" can compensate for the death, maiming, destruction of families, and the establishment of institutionalized racism that has followed in our practice of slavery.
2012-10-09 09:27:58 AM  
2 votes:
sodomizer:
As it is, conservatives tend to be tolerant,

For what reason are you lying?
2012-10-09 09:14:11 AM  
2 votes:

acad1228: Only a small minority want to outlaw abortion and the morning-after pill, but that makes good scary news, so that's what you hear about.


You know, that small minority that created the GOP Party Platform.
2012-10-09 08:59:12 AM  
2 votes:

my_cats_breath_smells_like_cat_food: DrPainMD: DataShade: DrPainMD: They both said, basically, that if it wasn't for slavery, all the black people in the US would be starving in Africa. And let's face it... the worst in America live better than the vast majority in Africa. When Rock says it, people nod and say, "he's got a point," but this politician guy gets branded as being "pro-slavery" and a racist for saying the same thing.

No no no no NO NO!

When Chris Rock says it they laugh, because he's a comedian - a jester, a CLOWN. When this dude says it he gets branded pro-slavery and a racist because he's offering apologia for slavery and he's in a position of power and authority, which is the pinch of something extra you need to add to simple bigotry or supremacist opinions to make those opinions racist.  Do you understand? Random joker making random joke = funny. Random guy with stereotypes of a specific race = bigotry. Random guy who believes there are scientific, religious, naturalistic justifications for his race to exert oppressive authority over another race = racism.

Sitting Senator writing a "scholarly tract" justifying slavery = political platform of racial supremacy = racism. 



This is not difficult. There is no excuse for a logical person with even a shred of intellectual honesty to not understand the difference, especially not after it has been explained.

Ok, I'll put the question to you: do blacks in the US have it better here than they would have had if their ancestors were never brought over here?

It's a simple question with a completely objective answer, and that answer is, "yes." If you agree, you are a racist apologist for slavery, and if you disagree, you are an idiot.

FALSE!

The slaves brought to America were often the most able-bodied and productive members of African society, because those traits made them more likely to survive the journey and also more valuable upon arrival, and slave traders are nothing if not merciless businessmen. So, you take the best 20% of a societ ...


The idea that the slaves brought to America were often the most able-bodied and productive members of African Society is nonsense. Africa was not some huge Costco where slave traders could select the best that Africa had to offer.

Slaves were made up mostly of prisoners caught in tribal wars and people who were kidnapped.

The slaves brought to America were the folks not fast enough to get away.
2012-10-09 08:57:20 AM  
2 votes:
Chris Rock speaks of a shared heritage and attempts to put a positive spin on a bad part of the history others of his racial background share. Its like if you house burns down and you say, well, we still have our health, and it will make us stronger. We can rebuild and we still have it better than other people. All in all, it could be worse.

Arkansas McDick (R) speaks of a way to make a nation built on slavery that he looks fondly on seem better. He is like the son of the arsonists that burned your house down, stole your land and ran over your dog coming up and saying, "Yeah, you still have your health, and isn't family the most important thing? I'm glad we agree that what my dad did to yours wasn't so terrible". I think most people would be ready to hand him a nice mug of STFU.
2012-10-09 07:09:53 AM  
2 votes:

DrPainMD: What is your opinion: do blacks in the US have it better here than they would have had if their ancestors were never brought over here (yes, I know that they never would have been born and a whole different group would be there, but that's outside the scope of the discussion)?


That depends: in your hypothetical scenario, do we still have hundreds of years of European nations colonizing Africa, robbing its nations, murdering its citizens, and destablizing its governments and cultures?

Or are we to assume that the rapid growth of Europe (which has never had a dark age from internal influences, no no) could have proceeded apace from the 1500s to the 1970s without mercantilism and colonial imperialism?
2012-10-09 06:25:12 AM  
2 votes:
I love how this guy is the vice chairman of the Children and Youth Subcommittee, and Todd Akin and some other frothing right-wing lunatic are on the science committee. It's 2012, and the vice chairman of our nation's Children and Youth Subcommittee argues that a significant portion of our children should be bought and sold as slaves.

When Democrats go bad, they overspend a little on programs with good intentions. When Republicans go bad, they alienate rape victims, start unnecessary wars that cost us $1 to $2,000,000,000 per week for over a decade, allow Wall Street robber barons to destroy the economy, ...
2012-10-09 05:35:49 AM  
2 votes:
Slavery isn't ALL bad.
media.heavy.com
2012-10-08 10:51:13 PM  
2 votes:

serpent_sky: I don't get it -- my father is otherwise intelligent and was born and raised in New York, not some uber-religious tiny town. I don't get it.


Might've been born that way.

Peering inside the brain with MRI scans, researchers at University College London found that self-described conservative students had a larger amygdala than liberals. The amygdala is an almond-shaped structure deep in the brain that is active during states of fear and anxiety. Liberals had more gray matter at least in the anterior cingulate cortex, a region of the brain that helps people cope with complexity.
2012-10-08 10:34:40 PM  
2 votes:
Holy shiat, these people would legalize slavery again if given half a chance.
2012-10-08 07:14:58 PM  
2 votes:

fusillade762: Anything other nuggets of GOP wisdom I'm forgetting?


-"Some things can not be explained by science. Take for example, rainbows. Rainbows are a mystery and you can not touch them, just like god. Despite this fact, they are still there even though there is no scientific explanation for them. So next time you find yourself doubting your faith, think of god as a rainbow. I know that this can be a difficult concept for some of you to grasp. It is just like air you can't see it but you know its there."

-"Wiccan should have their kids taken away. Anyone who isn't raising their children in a Christian home should have their children taken away, it is mental, emotional and spiritual abuse. Period. End of discussion. Case closed."

-"Climate Change is a religion and it's holy sacrament is Abortion."

-"if evolution was real humans, and animals alike would not need reproductive organs.'

Drum roll.......

-"We don't just think the Bible is true. It IS true because it's the Word of God. People who say "It's true because the Bible says it's true" is illogical are ignorant of the natures of both truth and the Bible and are themselves guilty of being illogical."
2012-10-08 05:55:23 PM  
2 votes:

MaudlinMutantMollusk: Remember: this man was elected to represent his constituents

/be afraid


This is why we don't deserve nice things.
2012-10-08 05:52:40 PM  
2 votes:
Jesus...

/If there is one thing that I can complement the left on, its that they keep a better hold on their extremists and manage to shut them up when they do stupid shiat
2012-10-09 11:49:35 PM  
1 votes:

DrPainMD: HotWingConspiracy: DrPainMD: HotWingConspiracy: DrPainMD: And, really, it's not even a matter of opinion; it's totally and completely and objective fact; black people in the US have it much better than they do in Africa.

All of them?

You have a pretty cartoonish idea of what it's like in Africa.

I'm dealing with too many idiots in this thread already. You'll have to save it for another day.

Just driving a truck through the holes in your shiat arguments. Feel free to put me on ignore though.

Really? My argument is that Chris Rock said the same thing. You drove a truck thru the holes in that? When?


What did Chris Rock say? When and where? In what context?
You keep asserting that Chris Rock said the same thing, but there's no citation.
2012-10-09 11:36:01 PM  
1 votes:

DrPainMD: Ok, I'll put the question to you: do blacks in the US have it better here than they would have had if their ancestors were never brought over here?

It's a simple question with a completely objective answer, and that answer is, "yes." If you agree, you are a racist apologist for slavery, and if you disagree, you are an idiot.


You've now posed two different questions: "Are blacks in America today better off than blacks in Africa today" and "do blacks in the US today have it better than they would have if their ancestors were never brought here?"


You act as if those two are the same question, and that's another indicator that - instead of an intellectually honest examination of history - you're trying to hide your racial supremacist beliefs under a veneer of scholasticism.
2012-10-09 09:02:40 PM  
1 votes:
I don't need read more than 3 posts in this thread.

Liberals, if you really think this is the GOP, then please, go right ahead and tell everyone. Go look up Ross Barnett and George Wallace and see what party affiliation they had.

bigotry transcends party affiliation. need I remind you of Robert Bryd?

So in short, all you self righteous liberals who think you have the monopoly on racial harmony, go fark yourselves
2012-10-09 06:45:15 PM  
1 votes:

CeroX: grammar? that's all you got?


it was a joke, einstein.

you're clearly misusing the noun "democrat" as an adjective on purpose, as republicans have done over the years. it may be childish and petulant, but it does serve a purpose: it immediately indicates that the person in question is a hyper-partisan whose opinion is worthless.

i50.tinypic.com
2012-10-09 03:32:06 PM  
1 votes:

Profedius: If he loves slavery so much he is in the wrong party. The Republic party came about over the divide of the Democratic party on the issue of Slavery with the Republic party mainly against it. The main reason the Republic party was against slavery wasn't due to the plight of the black man, but because they did not want slave owners to enter into the new western states with their slaves. Having slave owners allowed to bring their slaves into the western states would allow them a decide advantage in working the land.

If we never practiced slavery in this Nation we would have very few if any black people living in this country since they would have never migrated in mass on their own.


And again, i will point out the obvious weak link in your republican history chain...

1964...

All those people who were pro-slavery, and their children/grandchildren who were pro-segregation felt betrayed by their democratic leaders, who for years they relied upon to keep the power and laws to favor whites, felt betrayed when those leaders picked up the flag of civil rights. The democratic party officially adopted civil rights and equal rights as a plank in their platform. This turned many white democratic voters into republicans and by 1980 the Democratic stronghold of the south was flipped to Red...

The Democrat party, trying to capitalize on the inevitable outcome of the civil rights movement and bolster the new black voting population, alienated its core voters, and thus cause the great shift from blue to red in the south and midwest.

You might want to read a little more about it... Hell even wikipedia covers it...
2012-10-09 02:34:59 PM  
1 votes:

DrPainMD: HotWingConspiracy: DrPainMD: HotWingConspiracy: DrPainMD: DataShade: DrPainMD: Ok, I'll put the question to you: do blacks in the US have it better here than they would have had if their ancestors were never brought over here?

It's a simple question with a completely objective answer, and that answer is, "yes." If you agree, you are a racist apologist for slavery, and if you disagree, you are an idiot.

The fact that you literally cannot conceive of any influences on African economics, government, culture, or history other than the influence of white people is, itself, a strong case for properly categorizing you as "racist."

Hey, I'm not agreeing with the evil, conservative, Republican that black people are better off here than in Africa... I'm agreeing with the hip, liberal, African-American that black people are better off here than in Africa. And that's PC and acceptable, not racist.

Why don't you own your half baked ideas instead of using a black comedian as cover?

What idea? That they both said the same thing? Or that blacks in the US have a higher standard of living than those in Africa. Neither are my ideas... they are objective facts. Do you dispute them?

The measure you're using is a bit retarded for a number of reasons which I see have been explained to you over and over already.

But your ultimate counter appears to be the a stand up comedian agrees with your assessment. So have fun with that I guess.

So, let me get this straight:
If a liberal says it, it's not racist.
If a conservative says it, it's racist.
If I point out the double standard, I'm racist.
If you agree that it's a double standard, you're not racist.

Does that sum up your position?


I don't know about them, but my position is that someone who drops turds like that in a thread is a festering pustule farktard.
2012-10-09 02:27:33 PM  
1 votes:

HotWingConspiracy: DrPainMD: HotWingConspiracy: DrPainMD: DataShade: DrPainMD: Ok, I'll put the question to you: do blacks in the US have it better here than they would have had if their ancestors were never brought over here?

It's a simple question with a completely objective answer, and that answer is, "yes." If you agree, you are a racist apologist for slavery, and if you disagree, you are an idiot.

The fact that you literally cannot conceive of any influences on African economics, government, culture, or history other than the influence of white people is, itself, a strong case for properly categorizing you as "racist."

Hey, I'm not agreeing with the evil, conservative, Republican that black people are better off here than in Africa... I'm agreeing with the hip, liberal, African-American that black people are better off here than in Africa. And that's PC and acceptable, not racist.

Why don't you own your half baked ideas instead of using a black comedian as cover?

What idea? That they both said the same thing? Or that blacks in the US have a higher standard of living than those in Africa. Neither are my ideas... they are objective facts. Do you dispute them?

The measure you're using is a bit retarded for a number of reasons which I see have been explained to you over and over already.

But your ultimate counter appears to be the a stand up comedian agrees with your assessment. So have fun with that I guess.


So, let me get this straight:
If a liberal says it, it's not racist.
If a conservative says it, it's racist.
If I point out the double standard, I'm racist.
If you agree that it's a double standard, you're not racist.

Does that sum up your position?
2012-10-09 02:17:35 PM  
1 votes:
Anyone who publicly defends slavery is not only an embarrassment to every single breathing citizen of the United States of America, but an embarrassment to the human race. They are insulting every inch of civilization that we have carved out since our ancestors first learned to create tools.

Every one of us is shamed by this man.
2012-10-09 02:00:29 PM  
1 votes:

fusillade762: Climate change will not destroy us because God made a promise to Noah


God only promised to never kill us with a flood. He never said anything about us doing it to ourselves.
2012-10-09 01:13:15 PM  
1 votes:

orbister: Your paraphrase was "They both said, basically, that if it wasn't for slavery, all the black people in the US would be starving in Africa. " That clearly assumes that the only possible way in which black people could have arrived in the US was in slavery.


It also implies that when God created the Africa, he did so specifically with the intent of making it a chaotic shiat-hole full of despots and tribalism. And of course He made it stinking rich in valuable natural resources so that His favorite people, the White People, could grow fat off the proceeds without having to chew up their own lands. This is for true?
2012-10-09 11:57:38 AM  
1 votes:
The first of my family on my father's side came here unwilling. I demand payment for this injustice. He was a Brunswicker solider sent to what is now the USA as a mercanary aka Hessian. Skipped getting back on the boat. I don't know who to sue. Should it be the UK or what is now Germany?
2012-10-09 11:39:35 AM  
1 votes:

Nadie_AZ: Finally. They are coming out. We get to see more and more GOP for what they are.


Fark's broadest brushes are swinging early and often.
2012-10-09 11:38:24 AM  
1 votes:

DataShade: DrPainMD: They could still have imperialism without slavery, and certainly would have; I don't see the relevance.

It's relevant because the entirety of the African slave trade took place along its continental borders, and that the pace of the Industrial Revolution matches the rise of the slave trade. You don't see the relevance because you don't want to consider that the entire success of white, western, enlightened, democratic nations was built on the backs of black slaves.


Funny, I always thought the "Industrial Revolution" had more to do with the rise of modern industry -- i.e., mechanization of jobs that were formally manual. It seems more related to the rise of steam power and the assembly line than slavery, which is why the Industrial Revolution is associated more with England an the Northern industrial states than the rural American South. Granted, the regional economies of the early 1800s were all intertwined (much as they are today), but you really seem to be off the mark.

Your reticence doesn't negate historical correlations or their implications.

Speaking of historical correlations, look familiar:

www.seanbonner.com
2012-10-09 11:30:55 AM  
1 votes:

trappedspirit: CeroX: It's funny how all the republican shills come into these kinds of threads and post up pics of Lincoln era posters about anti slavery and how their party championed blacks rights...

While they are technically correct in that republicans did champion anti slavery, they fail to point out the history of their party and WHY the republican party is now full of racists douchebags...

Because the important thing is not what people's current convictions are, but rather getting the history of their party correct.


It is important... Without the history you won't understand the current conviction... Young republicans MIGHT be more economically focused, but the republican party isn't filled with young people. The majority of the republican party are former democrats of the 60's, 70's and 80's, those that converted BECAUSE of the history. The republicans in office are not young. The well established members, meaning those people who's families have been members for generations, are typically well to do, the Rockefeller Republicans so to speak, but the majority are working class converts. I would say if you are under 40, but your parents are republican, there is a 75% chance (speculation) that your parents are converts and likely indoctrinated you from birth or an early age into the republican ideology. Between 40 and Baby boomer, I would say your republican lean comes from something that happened to you or your family directly that was out of your control and since everyone was blaming the liberals and the democrats for your woes, you sided with the republicans... Baby Boomers and older make up the majority of the republican party and they are the ones who lived through the civil rights movements. They had to experience first hand desegregation, and perceived how things went down the drain in this country because of it.

And you can't say that the current aggression, the teeth gnashing, the vitriol, the name calling, the conspiracy theories, the foaming, frothing hatred coming from many republicans since a black man became president is simply over economic policies...

For christ's sake, after Reagan took office, the national debt trippled, nearly doubled under bush senior, SLOWED during the clinton years, and nearly doubled AGAIN under bush Jr...

Seriously, if this was about economics, republicans would be electing NEW members of their party, not RE-electing the old timers...

No, Obama's economic policies aren't miraculous, but the debt growth has slowed for the first time since 2006...

And this clearly isn't about him being a Democrat either... Clinton implemented a lot of liberal policies but people weren't screaming "SOCIALIST" over it...

Look, if you're a young republican, and you don't think this is a racial issue among baby boomer and older republicans, ask them about 1964. Ask them what changed their minds, and why they converted... Ask them about welfare queens and baby mommas with 9 kids milking the system. I doubt many will even need to mention the words civil rights, blacks, or affirmative action when they ask, their parents will happily comply...
2012-10-09 10:56:02 AM  
1 votes:

acad1228: DrPainMD: BTW, what the hell is a "black people do it, why can't white people?" troll?

Ya mean like someone who says, "Black people can say they're proud of their race, so why can't white people say they're proud of theirs?"


Exactly. "Why can't *I* point out that black people and white people drive differently?" "I see black comedians talk smack about the wacky names they give their kids, how come *I* can't?" That sort of guy. The guy who doesn't understand white privilege, or at least pretends not to.
2012-10-09 10:53:04 AM  
1 votes:

Ilmarinen: BitwiseShift: The two greatest civilizations we know of that had slaves were the Romans and the Greeks

Meh. Almost all pre-industrial civilizations that ever existed had slaves, except most of Europe since the Middle Ages.


Coal miners in Scotland were slaves from 1606 till 1799. Not many people know that.
2012-10-09 10:45:08 AM  
1 votes:

DrPainMD: It also assumes that without slavery, no black people would have found their way to America.

It assumes nothing of the sort?


Your paraphrase was "They both said, basically, that if it wasn't for slavery, all the black people in the US would be starving in Africa. " That clearly assumes that the only possible way in which black people could have arrived in the US was in slavery.
2012-10-09 10:18:40 AM  
1 votes:
This is terrible. Even worse given the fact that he's an elected official. As someone before me said, this country is heading to a critical mass of bigots, asshole and liars. Things are going to get worse before they get better.

I am a registered republican as well but I want no association with someone like this.
2012-10-09 10:17:42 AM  
1 votes:

my_cats_breath_smells_like_cat_food: FALSE!

, etc etc.

Wow.

OK, when the Spanish began pulling gold out of South America by the caravelful, that pretty much killed the gold trade in the northern part of Africa. There was only one commodity the Arabs could get hold of that had any value - that's right, slaves. The aborigines in America didn't make very good slaves, they died too quickly, especially after being dismembered for failing to make their quota. So the Spanish began importing Africans to pick up the slack. Slavetrading was a pretty easy gig, all you needed was a boat. You didn't even have to learn anything about navigation, just follow the trail of floating corpses of the slaves that died during some previous voyage and were thrown over the side. And if they weren't quite dead, that was all right too. Your ship made better time with the lighter load.

The idea that the Arabs and the Spanish recruited the best and the brightest for the exciting adventure of slavery waiting for them in the New World sounds like something you might have learned in high school history class taught by a sociology major with a wonderful lack of competence in either subject.
2012-10-09 10:02:14 AM  
1 votes:

BitwiseShift: The two greatest civilizations we know of that had slaves were the Romans and the Greeks


Meh. Almost all pre-industrial civilizations that ever existed had slaves, except most of Europe since the Middle Ages.
2012-10-09 09:26:38 AM  
1 votes:
Aren't these guys that want slavery re-instituted volunteering to be the slaves?

More importantly, will they have straightened up the house before I get home from work?
2012-10-09 09:22:34 AM  
1 votes:
Haven't RTFT yet...

WHO THE FARK KEEPS ELECTING THESE PEOPLE?!!!!!?
2012-10-09 08:56:45 AM  
1 votes:

serpent_sky: propasaurus: I know it sounds hyperbolic but I sometimes think we're headed for a new civil war. I don't know if it will be fought the same way as the first one, with guns and cannons, or if it will just be a political shift. But this country will not endure in its current form for much longer.
Say what you will about Obama, and I know there are real valid reasons on both the left and right to disagree with some of his policies, but the way he's governed as a compromising middle of the road centrist SHOULD have united the country behind him. Instead, the right has gone even further to the extreme. As a president who brought the country back from the brink of financial meltdown, he should be leading the lying, waffling candidate who represents everything that led us to that brink.
We'll never again see a candidate for president win with more than a 51% or 52% majority of the popular vote. We may well see a president win with a slight margin in the Electoral College while losing the popular vote.
This is a country deeply divided. We cannot survive with this division, much less with a party who worsens and celebrates that division.
And as long as I'm being hyperbolic, I don't think it's far fetched to say that slavery would rear its ugly head in the new Red States of America.

I hate to agree with you, but I think you're right.

People always say, in a disparaging way, that those of us on the "left" or the "blue states" are scared of the "right" and the "red states." And I am willing to say, absolutely, YES, we are.

As a woman, I am terrified of these people having power. They absolutely hate me. They think I should be a subservient baby machine when I have no desire to, and will never, have children. I never have. I'm only 37 and keep thinking about how they want to outlaw birth control and the morning after pill (even in the case of rape) and wonder if I should try to convince a doctor to do Essure on me just in case this crazy shiat passes.

I don't believe in ...


Jesus, Lady! Chill. Despite what you hear from the Left, republicans don't hate women. Some of our strongest leaders are women. Yeah, you'll occasionally hear from idiots like this, but he is far from the republican base. Only a small minority want to outlaw abortion and the morning-after pill, but that makes good scary news, so that's what you hear about. Would I like to see fewer abortions? Sure! ut I'd like to see that come about through responsible life choices, not legislation. Abortion is a necessary procedure in a lot of cases, I just don't think it should be used as birth control.
2012-10-09 08:49:16 AM  
1 votes:

exick: I honestly don't even have any words for this.


have you heard the stuff Obama's buddies like Ayers and Van Jones and Wright say?
2012-10-09 08:39:13 AM  
1 votes:

DrPainMD: DataShade: DrPainMD: They both said, basically, that if it wasn't for slavery, all the black people in the US would be starving in Africa. And let's face it... the worst in America live better than the vast majority in Africa. When Rock says it, people nod and say, "he's got a point," but this politician guy gets branded as being "pro-slavery" and a racist for saying the same thing.

No no no no NO NO!

When Chris Rock says it they laugh, because he's a comedian - a jester, a CLOWN. When this dude says it he gets branded pro-slavery and a racist because he's offering apologia for slavery and he's in a position of power and authority, which is the pinch of something extra you need to add to simple bigotry or supremacist opinions to make those opinions racist.  Do you understand? Random joker making random joke = funny. Random guy with stereotypes of a specific race = bigotry. Random guy who believes there are scientific, religious, naturalistic justifications for his race to exert oppressive authority over another race = racism.

Sitting Senator writing a "scholarly tract" justifying slavery = political platform of racial supremacy = racism. 



This is not difficult. There is no excuse for a logical person with even a shred of intellectual honesty to not understand the difference, especially not after it has been explained.

Ok, I'll put the question to you: do blacks in the US have it better here than they would have had if their ancestors were never brought over here?

It's a simple question with a completely objective answer, and that answer is, "yes." If you agree, you are a racist apologist for slavery, and if you disagree, you are an idiot.


FALSE!

The slaves brought to America were often the most able-bodied and productive members of African society, because those traits made them more likely to survive the journey and also more valuable upon arrival, and slave traders are nothing if not merciless businessmen. So, you take the best 20% of a society and expect the remainder to get along like nothing happened?

The question wasn't "are black people in America today better off than black people in Africa today" it is "would black people in Africa be better off than black people in America if slaves had never been forcefully removed from their homes" which HAS to take into account the other changes that slavery resulted in, on both sides of the ocean. A large part of the reason that Africa has so many problems today, is BECAUSE they lost many of their best members of society to slavery.

/Stop being obtuse
//Some trolls I just can't quit I guess
///Unless you actually think this...in which case I weep for you and your shortsightedness
2012-10-09 08:19:54 AM  
1 votes:

fusillade762: If slavery is such a blessing maybe whitey should try it?


They did. The Roman used Europe as their slavery shopping mart. "Oh, look, they have a new Gaul selection this week." And when the Romans were done the Norse and the Moors stepped in doing a pretty nice job for themselves.

To say the least, "whitey" didn't like it.

propasaurus: I know it sounds hyperbolic but I sometimes think we're headed for a new civil war.


Nah. The Civil War happened because rich plantation owners were able to convince the Southern lower classes that the North wanted to take away their rights. (Even though the plantation owners were really worried about losing their way to keep themselves rich and in power. Slavery using today's dollar amount was a multi-billion dollar business.) ...oh, Fark, we are going to have another Civil War.
2012-10-09 08:14:27 AM  
1 votes:

DrPainMD: DataShade: DrPainMD: Ok, I'll put the question to you: do blacks in the US have it better here than they would have had if their ancestors were never brought over here?

It's a simple question with a completely objective answer, and that answer is, "yes." If you agree, you are a racist apologist for slavery, and if you disagree, you are an idiot.

The fact that you literally cannot conceive of any influences on African economics, government, culture, or history other than the influence of white people is, itself, a strong case for properly categorizing you as "racist."

Hey, I'm not agreeing with the evil, conservative, Republican that black people are better off here than in Africa... I'm agreeing with the hip, liberal, African-American that black people are better off here than in Africa. And that's PC and acceptable, not racist.


Why don't you own your half baked ideas instead of using a black comedian as cover?
2012-10-09 08:12:57 AM  
1 votes:
Of course, idiots like this don't hold a candle to the damage the Democrats have done to black people over the last 60 years.
2012-10-09 08:11:34 AM  
1 votes:

DrPainMD: And, really, it's not even a matter of opinion; it's totally and completely and objective fact; black people in the US have it much better than they do in Africa.


All of them?

You have a pretty cartoonish idea of what it's like in Africa.
2012-10-09 08:10:11 AM  
1 votes:

DataShade: DrPainMD: Ok, I'll put the question to you: do blacks in the US have it better here than they would have had if their ancestors were never brought over here?

It's a simple question with a completely objective answer, and that answer is, "yes." If you agree, you are a racist apologist for slavery, and if you disagree, you are an idiot.

The fact that you literally cannot conceive of any influences on African economics, government, culture, or history other than the influence of white people is, itself, a strong case for properly categorizing you as "racist."


Hey, I'm not agreeing with the evil, conservative, Republican that black people are better off here than in Africa... I'm agreeing with the hip, liberal, African-American that black people are better off here than in Africa. And that's PC and acceptable, not racist.
2012-10-09 08:09:44 AM  
1 votes:
Another pointless witch-hunt to keep you little wage slaves distracted from how little your current elected leaders are doing to stop your society's decline.

Here's the "smoking gun":

If slavery were so God-awful, why didn't Jesus or Paul condemn it, why was it in the Constitution and why wasn't there a war before 1861?

These are legitimate questions. I don't know the answer to any of them, except to say that ancient slavery generally involved captives taken in war, while chattel slavery generally involved agriculture with an eye toward getting rich.

As to the question of war before 1861, an in-depth view of the civil war suggests it was fought over remnants of the States' Rights question which had divided the nation from 1776-1789 as well.

Again, these people are just whipping you little cube-serfs into battle mode over a non-issue.
2012-10-09 08:01:45 AM  
1 votes:
No one, and I mean, no one in the country can hold a grudge like a Southerner. Also, these are the same people who turn to African Americans and say they should get over slavery because it was generations ago. But heaven forbid you tell them to do the same.

/Virginian
//currently in North Carolina
2012-10-09 07:54:35 AM  
1 votes:
This is what Republicans actually believe.
2012-10-09 07:50:53 AM  
1 votes:

DataShade: DrPainMD: They could still have imperialism without slavery, and certainly would have; I don't see the relevance.

It's relevant because the entirety of the African slave trade took place along its continental borders, and that the pace of the Industrial Revolution matches the rise of the slave trade. You don't see the relevance because you don't want to consider that the entire success of white, western, enlightened, democratic nations was built on the backs of black slaves.


You're saying the our standard of living wouldn't be what it is, and theirs wouldn't either, if slavery had never existed? Ok, now it's my turn. Good luck proving that one.

imgs.xkcd.com
2012-10-09 07:37:37 AM  
1 votes:

DrPainMD: They both said, basically, that if it wasn't for slavery, all the black people in the US would be starving in Africa. And let's face it... the worst in America live better than the vast majority in Africa. When Rock says it, people nod and say, "he's got a point," but this politician guy gets branded as being "pro-slavery" and a racist for saying the same thing


It's a rather odd argument, isn't it? For a start, the people who were enslaved are not the same people who are currently enjoying their iPhone 5s. It's like saying "The Holocaust was like totes worth it because Israel has these like really amazing beaches".

It also assumes that without slavery, no black people would have found their way to America. Bad sense of direction? We have lots of black and brown and yellow people in the UK, and none of them are the descendants of slaves here - though some, I grant you, are descendants of slaves elsewhere in the British Empire.
2012-10-09 06:14:34 AM  
1 votes:

propasaurus: I know it sounds hyperbolic but I sometimes think we're headed for a new civil war. I don't know if it will be fought the same way as the first one, with guns and cannons, or if it will just be a political shift. But this country will not endure in its current form for much longer.
Say what you will about Obama, and I know there are real valid reasons on both the left and right to disagree with some of his policies, but the way he's governed as a compromising middle of the road centrist SHOULD have united the country behind him. Instead, the right has gone even further to the extreme.



Well, yeah. There are two main blocks in the Republican party: soulless, sociopathic opportunists like Mitt Romney, and god-fearing regressive fundamentalists like Akins and these two jokers. The sociopaths will see any compromise as weakness and a sign to push for more concessions, and then blame the other guy for not standing up to him (see Boehner, August 2011 vs August 2012). The zealots believe in magic and willfully misinterpret a set of books about a guy who ministered to criminals, prostitutes, and the homeless to justify why they should execute criminals, why prostitutes "were asking for it," and why the homeless should have to provide urine samples before getting government soup, so they can easily turn their oracular powers upon a compromise and see it as a sign that their proposals resonate with the American people, that their victory is a sign from God that their ascendance is at hand, and that it's time to push for even more regressive policies.

That's what happens when you let the wild dog lead you; he doesn't stop choking himself on his collar, he just keeps going until you feel bad for choking him or kick him in the nads to make him obey.
2012-10-09 05:37:19 AM  
1 votes:
Paul and Jesus also did not specifically ban abortion or graffiti or reckless driving.

That said, slavery worked out pretty well for Epictetus. Most slaves in history, regardless of the mechanism of slavery, have not had it so good, but some have benefitted.

I could take a lot of heat for saying this, because it's incorrect to equate chattel slavery with contemporary working conditions, but... Consider that a large portion of the world works very hard and long hours and doesn't have much control over living or working conditions. Slavery comes in various forms. If you aren't a slaveholder (employer) you probably fit many of the criteria of being a slave yourself, even if you are self-employed.

Just because this Arkansan is a moran doesn't mean that some good things don't come from slavery. (Maybe it's not always so "God-awful") My "enslavement" in the work force has created some discipline as well as an improved ability to see through bullshiat everywhere. The African-American slavery experience certainly led to brilliant creativity and perspective in the arts and the academy. It also regularly gives cause to people to consider how they treat each other and encourages us not to be a-holes to one another.

If we were all truly and completely free, we wouldn't be able to handle it. Maybe Aristotle was right - some people were just meant to be slaves. I have to think that I and most of my family members fit very well into that category.

/thinks slavery based on skin color or ethnicity is ignorant
//just realized most people, even on Fark, are not educated enough to be circumspect about slavery
2012-10-09 05:18:21 AM  
1 votes:
i1136.photobucket.com
2012-10-09 05:10:08 AM  
1 votes:

Godscrack:


All that's missing is the pointy hood.
2012-10-09 05:04:26 AM  
1 votes:

DrPainMD: From a link in TFA: Jon Hubbard, a Republican member of the Arkansas House of Representatives, has written a new book in which he says slavery was "a blessing" for African-Americans, among other questionable statements.

Why wasn't it questionable when Chris Rock said the exact same thing? I don't know this guy or anything he's said/written, but, in that case, how can he be condemned while Chris Rock isn't? And why are people quick to brand one person as evil for saying something, yet totally accept and agree with someone else who says the same thing?


So what did Chris Rock say about slavery?

But, I have to say, that comparing the statements of an elected official with that of a comedian seems a little trolly.
2012-10-09 04:20:06 AM  
1 votes:

gilgigamesh: Oh, that's right. Actually they were all given complete amnesty and they lived out the rest of their lives quietly.



And this is the problem with America today. They bred and settled new land, spreading their treasonous backwards uneducated thinking into what we call Republicans today.
2012-10-09 04:19:48 AM  
1 votes:
Would this country be worse off if we split it in half, say along the 37th parallel? Maybe 38th.

Sometimes it's just better to let it go.
2012-10-09 04:07:30 AM  
1 votes:

Gawdzila: ArcadianRefugee: Slavery: it gets shiat done.

[demotivators.despair.com image 617x435]


New evidence shows that slaves did not build the pyramids, that the workers were actually laborers who got paid for their work.
2012-10-08 11:55:36 PM  
1 votes:

cman: serpent_sky: Sgt Otter: We were getting angry emails about Clinton (usually shiat he never did, or "might" do) the day he got dial-up AOL.

My father was digging in on me after the debates, and he told me to watch that Obama 2016 movie. My final response was "don't make me change my e-mail again, like I had to in 2008." I haven't heard anything since. He was cutting and pasting full on lies from crazy-ass right-wing Web sites. I don't get it -- my father is otherwise intelligent and was born and raised in New York, not some uber-religious tiny town. I don't get it.

It's human nature. We are biological machines programmed in a survivor mode. We are still paranoid creatures, and because of that, we twist facts to fit our distorted point of view. At the same time we have an ability of abstract thinking, meaning that we can invent our own fears to fit our preconceptions. Until we evolve from our ancestors traits of survival mode, we will always fall for bullshiat like this.

There was a time I was duped. I was a truther for a few years. When I finally processed what I was being told I realised that I bought into their paranoid bullshiat.


propasaurus: [img2.imagesbn.com image 300x401]


Try the book propasaurus posted there. It explains some of the psychology involved.

This one is also good:

tomorrowsreflection.com
2012-10-08 11:05:27 PM  
1 votes:
I'm thinking of a defense of slavery....

Still thinking....

Still thinking...

Still thinking...

Still thinking...

Got nothing...

Dude is a douchebag
2012-10-08 10:53:32 PM  
1 votes:
In 2010, it was reported that Mauch was a member of the Sons of Confederates Veterans and the League of the South, which has been described as a "neo-Confederacy" group advocating for second southern secession.

OK, so not all of his ideas are bad.

GO!!! PLEASE! 
2012-10-08 10:46:22 PM  
1 votes:

dletter: So, obviously, this guy doesn't need any minority votes in his district.


You assume there ARE any minorities in his district

/and if there were, they'd know their place
2012-10-08 10:38:34 PM  
1 votes:

Makh: Holy shiat, these people would legalize slavery again if given half a chance.


Of course they would. They're good Christians, after all.
2012-10-08 10:37:50 PM  
1 votes:
Oh. How quaint. 19th Century rednecks showing off who's the most racist.
2012-10-08 09:55:30 PM  
1 votes:

serpent_sky: Sgt Otter: We were getting angry emails about Clinton (usually shiat he never did, or "might" do) the day he got dial-up AOL.

My father was digging in on me after the debates, and he told me to watch that Obama 2016 movie. My final response was "don't make me change my e-mail again, like I had to in 2008." I haven't heard anything since. He was cutting and pasting full on lies from crazy-ass right-wing Web sites. I don't get it -- my father is otherwise intelligent and was born and raised in New York, not some uber-religious tiny town. I don't get it.


It's human nature. We are biological machines programmed in a survivor mode. We are still paranoid creatures, and because of that, we twist facts to fit our distorted point of view. At the same time we have an ability of abstract thinking, meaning that we can invent our own fears to fit our preconceptions. Until we evolve from our ancestors traits of survival mode, we will always fall for bullshiat like this.

There was a time I was duped. I was a truther for a few years. When I finally processed what I was being told I realised that I bought into their paranoid bullshiat.
2012-10-08 09:42:11 PM  
1 votes:
This man deserves to get punched in the cock, repeatedly, until he pukes it up through his nose.
2012-10-08 09:35:30 PM  
1 votes:
I mean *being* a slave. Equal opportunity and all.
2012-10-08 09:22:10 PM  
1 votes:

wejash: Sgt Otter: cman: Jesus...

/If there is one thing that I can complement the left on, its that they keep a better hold on their extremists and manage to shut them up when they do stupid shiat

Pretty much. There's a "Tea Party Caucus" that has something like 60 members of Congress, all Republicans. The Democrats, thank God, do not have a "Code Pink Caucus."


We're mostly embarrassed by our extremists. And most of our extremists are being loud and annoying as a good afternoon out before they go do something else fun and interesting. Like mating rituals or video games.

I have a feeling that the extremists on the right tend to go home from being loud and annoying and stew and steam until they are going to explode.


My brother is a huge, farking leftist hippie. The only thing that I saw him get really, genuinely angry over in the past twenty years was the War in Iraq, and the possibility of me going there gave him something of a personal connection to it.

My uncle (who has since mellowed out. I think there's only so much apologizing for Bush, Rumsfeld, and Sarah Palin an otherwise intelligent man can do before throwing in the towel) was on the opposite side of the spectrum. We were getting angry emails about Clinton (usually shiat he never did, or "might" do) the day he got dial-up AOL.
2012-10-08 09:06:42 PM  
1 votes:

Dead for Tax Reasons: Is you is or is you ain't my cconstituency


www.morethings.com
2012-10-08 07:38:29 PM  
1 votes:

Sgt Otter: cman: Jesus...

/If there is one thing that I can complement the left on, its that they keep a better hold on their extremists and manage to shut them up when they do stupid shiat

Pretty much. There's a "Tea Party Caucus" that has something like 60 members of Congress, all Republicans. The Democrats, thank God, do not have a "Code Pink Caucus."



We're mostly embarrassed by our extremists. And most of our extremists are being loud and annoying as a good afternoon out before they go do something else fun and interesting. Like mating rituals or video games.

I have a feeling that the extremists on the right tend to go home from being loud and annoying and stew and steam until they are going to explode.

So the radical lefies can usually be safely ignored until they get distracted by more entertaining recreational options. But the radical righties will start making bombs and nooses.

There's a big demographic split underlying those two extremes of course.
2012-10-08 07:37:44 PM  
1 votes:

propasaurus: But this country will not endure in its current form for much longer.


Good thing that demographics are shifting and white people will be the minority, then.
2012-10-08 07:29:18 PM  
1 votes:

cman: Jesus...

/If there is one thing that I can complement the left on, its that they keep a better hold on their extremists and manage to shut them up when they do stupid shiat


Pretty much. There's a "Tea Party Caucus" that has something like 60 members of Congress, all Republicans. The Democrats, thank God, do not have a "Code Pink Caucus."
2012-10-08 05:55:46 PM  
1 votes:

MaudlinMutantMollusk: Remember: this man was elected to represent his constituents

/be afraid


Remember: this man represents his constituents. Probably accurately.
2012-10-08 05:19:30 PM  
1 votes:
www.arktimes.com
2012-10-08 05:04:55 PM  
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People didn't realize he thought this way? I could tell by his mustache he thought that way.
2012-10-08 05:04:54 PM  
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If slavery were so God-awful, why didn't Jesus or Paul condemn it, why was it in the Constitution and why wasn't there a war before 1861?

holy. ever-living. fark.
 
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