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2012-10-09 11:36:47 AM

burndtdan: This review does actually show why I still have an iPhone even though most of the services I use are Google-centric.

Android is probably awesome, but every time I go and look at the phones, I find out that the third parties are limiting it somehow. One Verizon employee, upon finding out that I work in IT, was really happy to tell me that it wasn't very hard to root the phone and get it really using its full potential. But I really don't want to put up with having to do that type of stuff with my phone.

Not to mention there not being a dedicated music management system. Sorry Google, but I really don't want to limit myself to streaming my music... it's a cool thing to offer, but at the same time I don't always have signal and I like to still be able to play my music.

Also, I really don't understand why some of the Google services are not integrated into Android. I understand that Chrome and Android have different dev teams, but they really should get their stuff all working together.

I want to use an Android phone, but Google just won't pull it all together to make a solid device that really utilizes the best they have (or should have) to offer.


My Droid razr has a dedicated music storage system...
 
2012-10-09 11:52:26 AM

Cybernetic: I think that the smartphone market has something in common with the desktop OS market--once you make a choice, switching platforms is more painful than sticking with your current one.


I just switched one of my small business customers from their iphones to Android devices (Samsung S3s and Notes). They've been on Google Apps since forever and actually made the switch almost 100% without my intervention because it was so straightforward. The only thing I really had to do was explain that the "Email" app on their home screen wasn't the same thing as the Gmail account they had configured when they first turned on the phone.

Apple has lock-in, yes, but it's from music/app store purchases and from the wide range of consumer electronics that exists to support istuff.
 
2012-10-09 12:00:27 PM
Apple is working on their NFC implentation with a project with the US government so people with Iphones with NFC can be scanned by Homeland security. Extending that walled garden to government.

The I5 is faster, but the screen is only a bit longer, and the case is different, but it is basically a souped up 4s with LTE. Panoramic camera shots can be done with a ap long before they are touted it, and Waze is better than apples maps....

As for battery life the battery was guestimated with factory tweaked models. Many people are getting 3-4 hours of talk time with no net use. Trust me I am an escalation manager with ATT and I have to deal with the hordes of angry business man because the battery life is typically worse than a 4s.

The battery life claimed is with the celular radio off and using the phone as an ipod touch.

This was a marginal upgrade, very marginal, but a marketing coo.
 
2012-10-09 12:05:12 PM

Farking Canuck: Nexus phones have no 3rd party bloat. Chrome is now the primary browser. There are thousands of music programs out there.

Anything else?


machoprogrammer: My Droid razr has a dedicated music storage system...


I didn't say a music playing app, I said a music management system. Something where I can manage my music (create smart playlists, alter tags and do advanced tagging, and have all of that carry through to an on-phone app). I know I can play music on Android phones, and I know they even come with stock apps for it (although from what I read, the stock apps generally aren't that great). I want a management system that integrates into the phone. As much as iTunes has it's flaws, it does this, as well as allowing me to do advanced things like actually sorting my albums chronologically using sort album tags.

And I also wasn't talking about third party bloat so much as third party hardware and third parties holding up releases of OS updates. It's great that the newest iteration of Android came out this summer, but Verizon won't let it get to your phone for months.
 
2012-10-09 12:10:27 PM

MadSkillz: Out to you Farkers:

Would you rather have a Samsung Galaxy S3 or an iPhone 5?


The Apple II provided my first opportunity to refuse an Apple product. Haven't bought and Apple [anything] since and don't see that changing.
 
2012-10-09 12:17:56 PM

GreenAdder: MadSkillz: Out to you Farkers:

Would you rather have a Samsung Galaxy S3 or an iPhone 5?

I'd rather have one of several other phones on the market right now, made by neither Apple or Samsung. Currently my LG "dumbphone" is working just fine. If I ever go to a smartphone of any sort, I'd probably go with some sort of Android-based phone, I'd prefer it to have a slide-out QWERTY keyboard so I can thumb-type. I don't care who manufactures the phone; touchscreen-typing gives everyone sausage fingers.


Xperia Play with NESoid and SNESoid...I'm happy.
 
2012-10-09 12:19:41 PM

RatOmeter: The Apple II provided my first opportunity to refuse an Apple product. Haven't bought and Apple [anything] since and don't see that changing.


what relation, do you honestly think, an iPhone 5 in 2012 bears to the apple II from 1978?
 
2012-10-09 12:20:00 PM

burndtdan: This review does actually show why I still have an iPhone even though most of the services I use are Google-centric.

Android is probably awesome, but every time I go and look at the phones, I find out that the third parties are limiting it somehow. One Verizon employee, upon finding out that I work in IT, was really happy to tell me that it wasn't very hard to root the phone and get it really using its full potential. But I really don't want to put up with having to do that type of stuff with my phone.

Not to mention there not being a dedicated music management system. Sorry Google, but I really don't want to limit myself to streaming my music... it's a cool thing to offer, but at the same time I don't always have signal and I like to still be able to play my music.

Also, I really don't understand why some of the Google services are not integrated into Android. I understand that Chrome and Android have different dev teams, but they really should get their stuff all working together.

I want to use an Android phone, but Google just won't pull it all together to make a solid device that really utilizes the best they have (or should have) to offer.


How many times do I have to post to say Google is forcing phone makers to stop that shiat and let consumers disable apps they don't need/want?

Hell it was like 3 posts above yours yet people still ignore it......
 
2012-10-09 12:38:45 PM

HotWingConspiracy: Part of this guy's job is fellating Apple. People call him out on it all the time and he responds by posting links to articles where he was mildly critical of them.


He's been a predictable Apple fanboi for years. He was the so-called "tech" writer at Salon and all he could talk about was the glory of Apple gadgets. He isn't to be taken seriously. He's basically paid to be an Apple troll to start flamewars in the comments.
 
2012-10-09 12:44:20 PM
What is it about Apple, anyway? How is it that otherwise intelligent and rational people somehow turn into drooling worshippers when confronted with a mere hunk of aluminum and glass with the Apple logo on it?
 
2012-10-09 12:45:08 PM

burndtdan: And I also wasn't talking about third party bloat so much as third party hardware and third parties holding up releases of OS updates. It's great that the newest iteration of Android came out this summer, but Verizon won't let it get to your phone for months.


Already addressed with Nexus phones.

If some 3rd party took the iPhone, farked it up with bloatware and then sold it to you, would you get mad at Apple?!?
 
2012-10-09 12:48:13 PM

Farking Canuck: Chrome is now the primary browser.


You make it sound like the normal browser wasn't made by google. They just renamed it, which in effect made it harder to find. "Browser" was a good name. "Chrome" is google's pathetic effort to be more like Apple and obfuscate simple things.
 
2012-10-09 01:02:05 PM

burndtdan: This review does actually show why I still have an iPhone even though most of the services I use are Google-centric.

Android is probably awesome, but every time I go and look at the phones, I find out that the third parties are limiting it somehow. One Verizon employee, upon finding out that I work in IT, was really happy to tell me that it wasn't very hard to root the phone and get it really using its full potential. But I really don't want to put up with having to do that type of stuff with my phone.

Not to mention there not being a dedicated music management system. Sorry Google, but I really don't want to limit myself to streaming my music... it's a cool thing to offer, but at the same time I don't always have signal and I like to still be able to play my music.

Also, I really don't understand why some of the Google services are not integrated into Android. I understand that Chrome and Android have different dev teams, but they really should get their stuff all working together.

I want to use an Android phone, but Google just won't pull it all together to make a solid device that really utilizes the best they have (or should have) to offer.


That made no sense at all.
 
2012-10-09 01:17:37 PM

moothemagiccow: Farking Canuck: Chrome is now the primary browser.

You make it sound like the normal browser wasn't made by google. They just renamed it, which in effect made it harder to find. "Browser" was a good name. "Chrome" is google's pathetic effort to be more like Apple and obfuscate simple things.


I was responding to burndtdan ... he was whining about the different browsers.

I guess Steve isn't around anymore to tell him what to do and he's a little lost.
 
2012-10-09 01:29:18 PM

Farking Canuck: burndtdan: And I also wasn't talking about third party bloat so much as third party hardware and third parties holding up releases of OS updates. It's great that the newest iteration of Android came out this summer, but Verizon won't let it get to your phone for months.

Already addressed with Nexus phones.

If some 3rd party took the iPhone, farked it up with bloatware and then sold it to you, would you get mad at Apple?!?


Yes, because Apple would have to sign off on it.

I'm not mad at Google, I just have yet to see an Android phone that isn't crippled for things that I would want it for, for which Apple provides a better product (despite it's drawbacks).

steamingpile: How many times do I have to post to say Google is forcing phone makers to stop that shiat and let consumers disable apps they don't need/want?

Hell it was like 3 posts above yours yet people still ignore it......


I'm not really talking about apps that you can or cannot disable or remove. I'm talking about third party hardware and third party carriers that reduce the out-of-box potential of an otherwise great operating system, where Apple doesn't have third party hardware and somehow strongarmed the carriers to generally get out of their way as well.

As for Chrome not being the default browser in Android, that is a decision made by Google. Maybe that's something they're finally actually making happen? That would be great.

As for the music management, I mean that for music management Google provides GoogleMusic, which is a streaming service. That's wonderful, but doesn't provide what I actually want. And though I redo my search for a software/app suite of some sort that would do it, the best I have ever found is WinAmp, which is lacking in a number of ways.



What is humorous to me about these responses is that Android users have repeatedly accused Apple fanboys of overlooking the limitations of the iPhones. But here, I am just saying what limitations Android phones have that keep me from switching, and I am legitimately interested in switching if not for these limitations. And yet the response is generally telling me I make no sense, that I don't know what I'm talking about, or that I clearly haven't figured out there are apps that play music on Android phones?

Believe it or not, I have looked into the matter and continue to do so, with the hope that they will finally sort it out, and have repeatedly found Android phones wanting. I don't care if I can redesign my home screen on Android or if I can use NFC to use my phone as a wallet. I don't want a great operating system on an OK phone, I want a great operating system on a phone that was built for it and does the things I want it to do as a device. So far, the best match is the iPhone.
 
2012-10-09 01:31:00 PM

moothemagiccow: Farking Canuck: Chrome is now the primary browser.

You make it sound like the normal browser wasn't made by google. They just renamed it, which in effect made it harder to find. "Browser" was a good name. "Chrome" is google's pathetic effort to be more like Apple and obfuscate simple things.


"Made by Google" is not the same things as made by the Chrome development team, or incorporating all the advances that the Chrome dev team has made.

If Chrome is now the primary browser on the newest iteration of the phones, that's great.
 
2012-10-09 01:31:55 PM

burndtdan: I said a music management system.


I'd like to direct your attention to WinAmp for Android.
Though I have around 40GB of music on my main tablet and I've never wanted to edit metadata or create a playlist on it.
 
2012-10-09 01:39:12 PM

digistil: What needs to happen is for Google to grow a sac and tell Android manufacturers to give consumers a choice for the Nexus treatment in order to continue to have access to Google services (which, lets be honest, are second to none). This would strike one of the biggest advantages iOS has over Android (non-Nexus)... multi-year OS support, available on the day of release.


I just read an article a couple of days ago that said Google was moving in that direction - license the Nexus brand to any manufacturer for phones that meet Google's criteria for hardware, software, update support, etc... Unfortunately, a quick web search didn't turn up the story, and I don't have time for a more thorough search.
 
2012-10-09 02:05:24 PM

Mitt Romneys Tax Return: digistil: What needs to happen is for Google to grow a sac and tell Android manufacturers to give consumers a choice for the Nexus treatment in order to continue to have access to Google services (which, lets be honest, are second to none). This would strike one of the biggest advantages iOS has over Android (non-Nexus)... multi-year OS support, available on the day of release.

I just read an article a couple of days ago that said Google was moving in that direction - license the Nexus brand to any manufacturer for phones that meet Google's criteria for hardware, software, update support, etc... Unfortunately, a quick web search didn't turn up the story, and I don't have time for a more thorough search.


It seems as if we already have a Nexus phone coming soon. Oddly enough, from LG.

Link
 
2012-10-09 02:10:10 PM

Mitt Romneys Tax Return: I just read an article a couple of days ago that said Google was moving in that direction - license the Nexus brand to any manufacturer for phones that meet Google's criteria for hardware, software, update support, etc


Meanwhile, Acer/Aliyun and any number of bargain-basement names in trash electronics like Coby and Polaroid (plus Amazon, whose tablet is actually pretty nice) don't want to pay Google the whopping $3 it presently costs to license Google's Android Apps suite (Gmail, the Play Store, Music, Talk, People etc), so you just know they're going to be lining up for that Nexus branding.
 
2012-10-09 02:35:40 PM
To anyone who gives a shiat, the TecTiles v3.0 app will be released in a few weeks that has a host of upgrades, most notably the ability to program more than one command per TecTile.
 
2012-10-09 02:48:44 PM

nmemkha: [www.phonesreview.co.uk image 321x450]

But can it microwave a burrito? I'll stick my DynaTAC, haters.


you must be mistaken, because i've been told numerous times here on fark that the radiation emitted from cell phones is certainly not harmful.

please disregard photos like
cellphoneprotectionproducts.com
 
2012-10-09 02:58:10 PM

FlashHarry: RatOmeter: The Apple II provided my first opportunity to refuse an Apple product. Haven't bought and Apple [anything] since and don't see that changing.

what relation, do you honestly think, an iPhone 5 in 2012 bears to the apple II from 1978?


That I haven't ever and will not ever buy an Apple product? An indirect answer to the question "Would you rather have a Samsung Galaxy S3 or an iPhone 5?". A bit too indirect and subtle for you, I guess.

Does it make you unhappy that I've been eschewing Apple since the mid-80s?
 
2012-10-09 03:14:19 PM

burndtdan: Yes, because Apple would have to sign off on it.


Seeing as this is a fictional example you cannot declare that Apple would have to sign off. Google does not have any 'sign-off' on 3rd party devices as long as they use Android within the rules of one of the various license agreements.

burndtdan: I just have yet to see an Android phone that isn't crippled for things that I would want it for


And you continue to ignore the suggestion that the Nexus line of phone, the real Google experience, does not have the issues you're whining about.
 
2012-10-09 03:21:42 PM

t3knomanser: Sarcasm aside, NFC is a promising technology, but it's hardly a killer app right now.


There's an advertising kiosk on the street where I live that says I could bump my phone against it for a single by Goodie Mob.

Who's laughing now?????

Seriously, Apple is right to wait on this. There's a reason I can plug and unplug peripherals from my Mac without a moment's thought. Apple either waits for the technology to improve or invents their own protocol to iron out all the kinks that the original engineers didn't think anyone would notice. Once Apple decides to support NFC, their implementation will work great.
 
2012-10-09 03:29:40 PM

MadSkillz: Out to you Farkers:

Would you rather have a Samsung Galaxy S3 or an iPhone 5?


S3, but I'm biased since I have one. Was using an iPhone 4S previously. (and a 4, 3G, and original before that)
 
2012-10-09 03:43:17 PM

mccallcl: Seriously, Apple is right to wait on this. There's a reason I can plug and unplug peripherals from my Mac without a moment's thought. Apple either waits for the technology to improve or invents their own protocol to iron out all the kinks that the original engineers didn't think anyone would notice. Once Apple decides to support NFC, their implementation will work great.


LOL ... that's one way to look at it.

The other way is: Apply will not put in a technology that they haven't found a way to completely control the profit stream from. Notice the lack of 3rd party app stores?

Or, as in the case of Google Maps, if they have to put it in, they will remove it as soon as they can create their own product to capture the revenue for themselves. Even when their product is demonstrably inferior.
 
2012-10-09 03:54:47 PM

mccallcl: t3knomanser: Sarcasm aside, NFC is a promising technology, but it's hardly a killer app right now.

There's an advertising kiosk on the street where I live that says I could bump my phone against it for a single by Goodie Mob.

Who's laughing now?????

Seriously, Apple is right to wait on this. There's a reason I can plug and unplug peripherals from my Mac without a moment's thought. Apple either waits for the technology to improve or invents their own protocol to iron out all the kinks that the original engineers didn't think anyone would notice. Once Apple decides to support NFC, their implementation will work great.


Moralpanic already listed several very good uses for NFC in his posts. Once Apple gets on board, they will be two years behind again, just like LTE. Apple used to be the leader. This is no longer the case.
 
2012-10-09 04:01:58 PM

viscountalpha: as long as foxconn keeps using essentially slave labor, I will never spend a dime on an apple product.


Samsung's manufacturers will gladly employ those poor children.
 
2012-10-09 04:08:40 PM

MadSkillz: Out to you Farkers:

Would you rather have a Samsung Galaxy S3 or an iPhone 5?


Until iPhone starts supporting microSD memory slot expansion, it will always be Galaxy.
 
2012-10-09 04:16:11 PM

wholedamnshow: Apple used to be the leader. This is no longer the case.


Not true ... they've always just prettied up tech that others were either already selling or couldn't find a way to sell.

They will come out with some form of NFC that is proprietary Apple in a year or so. They are still building their Passbook application.
 
2012-10-09 04:40:20 PM

SpectroBoy: MadSkillz: Out to you Farkers:

Would you rather have a Samsung Galaxy S3 or an iPhone 5?

I don't like the idea of the Apple walled garden. I prefer Android (and have already written a few apps for it).

I reallylike the HTC One X.



I opted for the One X over the S3 or the iPhone, haven't regretted it a single moment
 
2012-10-09 06:07:33 PM

mccallcl: Apple either waits for the technology to improve or invents their own protocol to iron out all the kinks that the original engineers didn't think anyone would notice. Once Apple decides to support NFC, their implementation will work great.


Just like with turn by turn navigation (and voice assistant).

Honestly, the iPhone 5 not having NFC wasn't a big deal for the iPhone, but it was a big deal (negatively) for NFC.
Payments at stores, etc, will be widespread after the iPhone supports it, not before. 

//and yeah, I'm sure they will be able to implement an standard like NFC, if they feel like it
 
2012-10-09 06:46:13 PM

inner ted: please disregard photos like


Exactly what is it you think you're showing us?
 
2012-10-09 07:06:20 PM

mccallcl: Seriously, Apple is right to wait on this. There's a reason I can plug and unplug peripherals from my Mac without a moment's thought. Apple either waits for the technology to improve or invents their own protocol to iron out all the kinks that the original engineers didn't think anyone would notice. Once Apple decides to support NFC, their implementation will work great.


I don't know what kind of Mac you are running but mine whines like a little biatch if you pull out a USB thumb drive without unmounting it, while my Windows computer doesn't ever complain.

osxdaily.com 

It's easily the most annoying thing about OS X, and in all the years of having USB on their computers, they've never fixed an issue that Windows solved over a decade ago:

winhelp2002.mvps.org
 
2012-10-09 09:32:47 PM

Farking Canuck: Or, as in the case of Google Maps, if they have to put it in, they will remove it as soon as they can create their own product to capture the revenue for themselves. Even when their product is demonstrably inferior.


The discussions about a new Apple/Google contract to replace the one ending this year were not going well. Apple didn't really have a choice. Google didn't really want to continue upgrading the Maps on iPhone (turn-by-turn, etc) without getting the sweet sweet location based ad revenue (something that Apple really wanted so they could tie in with location based apps).

I'm not really sure what you would have Apple do in that situation. Continue paying Google whatever the f*ck they want because you need navigation on a phone these days or bite the bullet and go their own direction ASAP.
 
2012-10-09 11:04:01 PM

bulldg4life: I'm not really sure what you would have Apple do in that situation. Continue paying Google whatever the f*ck they want because you need navigation on a phone these days or bite the bullet and go their own direction ASAP.


Apple can do whatever they want as a company. I'm just pointing out that what they chose to do was profit based and not customer experience based.

Seeing as Apple sells the "customer experience" and the iFans lap it up ... seems like an interesting choice.

/Steve would have never let a sub-standard product like that out the door.
 
2012-10-09 11:52:05 PM
I doubt he'd want to continue paying google when they were stonewalling the idea of certain features anyway
 
2012-10-10 01:31:24 AM

Mikey1969: For one, they went with a bigger screen(Apple is still fighting that, BTW), they have an almost 50% larger battery, the pop out video is actually pretty damn cool down use and the phone 'feels' fine, maybe not like it were crafted by the cosmos and fit specifically for my hand like the writer's iPhone, but still good.


those all sound like incremental, boring changes. when is samsung going to do something revolutionary, instead of evolutionary? they're just copying everyone else.
 
2012-10-10 01:50:56 AM

viscountalpha: as long as foxconn keeps using essentially slave labor, I will never spend a dime on an apple product.


Why does that statment strike me as so ironically funny.

teehee


/cos you don't pay slaves...
 
2012-10-11 12:29:22 AM

ChrisDe: On further review, that was supposedly written by a "Farhad Manjoo". We've all been trolled, there is no person on the planet that could possibly be named Farhad Manjoo.


Farhad Manjoo is a trap. You click on an interesting sounding article over at Slate and all the sudden find yourself in the middle of a terrible opinion piece by a writer with all the charisma of dirt, and not the good kind of dirt with lots of interesting things in it, the bad kind, with nearly no organic matter or interesting chemical reactions.

And he's always wrong.
 
2012-10-11 07:54:00 AM

HoratioGates: ChrisDe: On further review, that was supposedly written by a "Farhad Manjoo". We've all been trolled, there is no person on the planet that could possibly be named Farhad Manjoo.

Farhad Manjoo is a trap. You click on an interesting sounding article over at Slate and all the sudden find yourself in the middle of a terrible opinion piece by a writer with all the charisma of dirt, and not the good kind of dirt with lots of interesting things in it, the bad kind, with nearly no organic matter or interesting chemical reactions.

And he's always wrong.


Man, joo really farhad that up.
 
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