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2012-10-08 07:14:20 PM  
4 votes:

Godscrack: Klippoklondike: Meanwhile Jose Vargas was arrested on a traffic violation

The article is about an Albanian illegal alien, Vern.

Save your Mexican hate for Storm Front.


Hate? Really? Didn't see any hate there, just a reference to an interesting juxtaposition of unequal treatment under the law. BTW, Mexicans are not a race, and only a very small minority of them are Jewish. So I really don't understand the Storm Front (a neo-national socialist racist group) reference. Opposition to illegal immigration is not a racial issue.
2012-10-08 07:10:35 PM  
3 votes:
Touching story-made-into-a-short-film or not, if you want to immigrate to America, farking follow the rules and do it legally. Whatever crap that's going on in your home country of Crushinglyfarkingpooristan is not our problem (though in truth it may be our fault), so you don't get mercy points for "escaping" from a shiathole.
2012-10-08 05:23:58 PM  
3 votes:

tenpoundsofcheese: Klippoklondike: Godscrack: Klippoklondike: Meanwhile Jose Vargas was arrested on a traffic violation

The article is about an Albanian illegal alien, Vern.

Save your Mexican hate for Storm Front.

What? Vargas isn't Mexican, he's Filipino and I am on his side

His side? You are pro people being in this country illegally?


He brings up a lot of good points on immigration policy. If you haven't you should check out some of his articles about it. It's not so cut and dry as brown people jumping a fence. I don't like people breaking the law either, but it's hard to like the way our immigration policy is right now. The only way to change it is to call it out and point out its flaws, which he is doing.
2012-10-08 09:02:37 PM  
2 votes:
Stoopid alien.

They're trying to flood the country with Latinos, not Albanians.
2012-10-08 08:53:28 PM  
2 votes:
More than a million people legally immigrate to the US every year, of which about 500,000 stay permanently.

I'm sick of hearing about how the country is so goddamn hostile to immigration, because it's just not true.
2012-10-08 07:20:27 PM  
2 votes:

ZeroPly: Aarontology: If you're losing a job to a moron like this, you're your to you are too motherf*cking stupid to be employed.

Pet peeve...

 

ftfy
2012-10-08 07:17:58 PM  
2 votes:

2words1finger: That's because city, county, and state LEOs do not have the authority to enforce immigration policy, regardless of how much Arizona would like them to. In other words, it ain't their farking job to round up all the Mexis.


What federal law prevents this? I don't know. I'm asking, because it isn't the constitution.
2012-10-08 07:12:22 PM  
2 votes:

Just Another OC Homeless Guy: downstairs: Kinda torn here.  He's obviously smart enough to know the risks, as that's what the friggin' movie is about... yet decided to show up to a public event and speak about said risks.  Said risks of trying not to out yourself.

What's interesting is that they apparently break out all stops to get this guy and the 45 Hispanic guys who don't speak a word of English lounging in front of any random Home Depot get a total pass from all LEOs.


That's because city, county, and state LEOs do not have the authority to enforce immigration policy, regardless of how much Arizona would like them to. In other words, it ain't their farking job to round up all the Mexis.
2012-10-08 07:06:52 PM  
2 votes:

downstairs: Kinda torn here.  He's obviously smart enough to know the risks, as that's what the friggin' movie is about... yet decided to show up to a public event and speak about said risks.  Said risks of trying not to out yourself.


What's interesting is that they apparently break out all stops to get this guy and the 45 Hispanic guys who don't speak a word of English lounging in front of any random Home Depot get a total pass from all LEOs.
2012-10-08 07:03:54 PM  
2 votes:

davidphogan: tenpoundsofcheese: Klippoklondike: tenpoundsofcheese: Klippoklondike: Godscrack: Klippoklondike: Meanwhile Jose Vargas was arrested on a traffic violation

The article is about an Albanian illegal alien, Vern.

Save your Mexican hate for Storm Front.

What? Vargas isn't Mexican, he's Filipino and I am on his side

His side? You are pro people being in this country illegally?

He brings up a lot of good points on immigration policy. If you haven't you should check out some of his articles about it. It's not so cut and dry as brown people jumping a fence. I don't like people breaking the law either, but it's hard to like the way our immigration policy is right now. The only way to change it is to call it out and point out its flaws, which he is doing.

You do know that he can point out the flaws from the Philippines, right? He doesn't have to remain in the country illegally.
He was driving with an invalid license in a blatantly unsafe manner (wearing headphones). He is an accident waiting to happen.
How many more people need to die from illegal immigrant car crashes before someone says enough?

There are plenty of American citizens who are accidents waiting to happen as well. I don't care where you're from if you hit me with your car.


Don't feed the troll.
2012-10-08 05:39:22 PM  
2 votes:

Klippoklondike: tenpoundsofcheese: Klippoklondike: Godscrack: Klippoklondike: Meanwhile Jose Vargas was arrested on a traffic violation

The article is about an Albanian illegal alien, Vern.

Save your Mexican hate for Storm Front.

What? Vargas isn't Mexican, he's Filipino and I am on his side

His side? You are pro people being in this country illegally?

He brings up a lot of good points on immigration policy. If you haven't you should check out some of his articles about it. It's not so cut and dry as brown people jumping a fence. I don't like people breaking the law either, but it's hard to like the way our immigration policy is right now. The only way to change it is to call it out and point out its flaws, which he is doing.


You do know that he can point out the flaws from the Philippines, right? He doesn't have to remain in the country illegally.
He was driving with an invalid license in a blatantly unsafe manner (wearing headphones). He is an accident waiting to happen.
How many more people need to die from illegal immigrant car crashes before someone says enough?
2012-10-08 05:02:13 PM  
2 votes:

Godscrack: Klippoklondike: Meanwhile Jose Vargas was arrested on a traffic violation

The article is about an Albanian illegal alien, Vern.

Save your Mexican hate for Storm Front.


What? Vargas isn't Mexican, he's Filipino and I am on his side
2012-10-08 04:59:58 PM  
2 votes:
Dude should get Obama's relatives' attorneys. They have this shuffle down.
2012-10-08 04:34:38 PM  
2 votes:

Klippoklondike: downstairs: Kinda torn here.  He's obviously smart enough to know the risks, as that's what the friggin' movie is about... yet decided to show up to a public event and speak about said risks.  Said risks of trying not to out yourself.

Meanwhile Jose Vargas was arrested on a traffic violation, proven to be an illegal immigrant, and let go. He's publicly admitted to being an illegal alien and even called in to ICE about it, asking if they'd ever do anything about it; they said they don't know yet.

/our coddling immigration policy is stupid and needs to change 
//if you don't know who Vargas is, look him up, it's an interesting read.


ftfy.
2012-10-08 04:20:45 PM  
2 votes:

downstairs: Kinda torn here.  He's obviously smart enough to know the risks, as that's what the friggin' movie is about... yet decided to show up to a public event and speak about said risks.  Said risks of trying not to out yourself.


Meanwhile Jose Vargas was arrested on a traffic violation, proven to be an illegal immigrant, and let go. He's publicly admitted to being an illegal alien and even called in to ICE about it, asking if they'd ever do anything about it; they said they don't know yet.

/our immigration policy is stupid and needs to change 
//if you don't know who Vargas is, look him up, it's an interesting read.
2012-10-08 04:20:18 PM  
2 votes:
INS or ICE or what ever initials they go by now hate when people flaunt in front of them.



Flaunt to the side, around the back but not in front
2012-10-09 05:38:47 PM  
1 votes:

Moose23: Smackledorfer: Moose23: I have a question. I'm an American citizen by birth. I'm riding on a train minding my own business and at some point officers of Homeland Security, ICE, or whatever they're calling themselves these days board the train and start asking for ID do I have to comply?

Afaik, cbp (ice, customs, and border patrol) stopped doing transportation checks (that is busses, trains, etc. Checkpoints are a different animal entirely) without actionable intelligence.

Before it would have beem a consensual encounter where you could legally ignore them, call them pig, whatever.
If they do it now then they have cause (legal. Not necessarily cause in your opinion) to be doing it. I would suggest going along with their investigative detention in this case. You wouldn't get charged for farking with them (provided they aren't dirty, and feds tend to have more oversight and penalties for farking around than city cops) but prepare for a much longer detainment while they prove to themselves you are innocent. It behooves you to help them along.

Note: no law enforcement is required to put their cards on the table when detaining people. You can sue them later and force them to reveal their articulable facts, but in the field they have authority to keep them secret.

Aaah, but isn't this the type of thing we don't want?? "Citizen...your papers..bitte!"


Actually no, not at all, but that's a nice try at Godwining. Y'see, the Nazis could approach anyone and demand to see their "papers" without cause. If the Wehrmacht officer riding in the train car with you simply didn't like your hat, they could harass you, interrogate you, arrest you and/or smack you around just for the hell of it and there wasn't a thing you could do about it, either in the moment or through administrative means in the future. As Smackledorfer quite clearly pointed out, police here have to have legal cause to ask for your ID (which BTW is not really the same thing as the "papers" that are so often referenced by folks who try to compare every function of law enforcement with fascism), and you always have the option of obtaining legal representation and bringing suit against the police department if it turns out that there was no legally justifiable cause to interact with you in a official capacity.

I hope this clears things up. If it doesn't, then you're either hopelessly ignorant or are one of those douchebags who prattle on about how "the only good cop is a dead cop" ala Henry Rollins circa 1985-99.
2012-10-09 09:28:36 AM  
1 votes:
As a LEGAL alien who had to paid out my ass for the documentation and filing, I say fark HIM.

Follow the law or get the fark out. :P
2012-10-09 08:53:10 AM  
1 votes:
Until you marry a "foreigner" and have to jump through all of those VERY expensive and tedious immigration hoops yourself, just please shut up about illegal immigration. You have no clue how farked up it is to take the legal path.
2012-10-09 06:25:22 AM  
1 votes:
In other countries, the authorities come and lock you up if you overstay by even a day.

Here, you have to flaunt your status in a film to get ICE to pay attention.

Either enforce our immigration laws, or declare our borders completely open and let in everyone who wants to be here. Our current system is a joke.
2012-10-09 02:44:57 AM  
1 votes:

jigger: eldritch2k4: jigger: And show me where in the constitution the federal government is authorized to police immigration.

Article I, section 8, clause 4:The Congress shall have Power...To establish an uniform Rule of Naturalization, and uniform Laws on the subject of Bankruptcies throughout the United States;...

This allows the U.S. Congress to create rules about citizenship; what it is, how to obtain it, etc. Part of creating a rule of anything is the penalties for violating those rules. So, Article I, Section 8, Clause 4 is where the Constitution authorizes the Federal Government to police immigration, since that's where they are allowed to police citizenship.

Citizenship is not immigration. Try again.


Really? That's really what you are going to trot out? Let me explain this to you:

A1, S8, C4 allows Congress to establish a "uniform Rule of Naturalization". "Naturalization" is defined here as the acquisition of citizenship and nationality by somebody who was not a citizen of that country at the time of birth. Can you guess what step one of that process is? Coming to the country. Do you know what immigration is? It is "the action of coming to live permanently in a foreign country." Immigration is a subsection of Naturalization.

I've answered your question. Let me know if you need help moving the goal posts later.
2012-10-09 02:32:08 AM  
1 votes:

jigger: Smackledorfer: 'speeding tickets aren't a civil matter because they aren't suing people'....wow. I'm speechless.

The only reason "civil offenses" were created was to punish you without due process involving your right to a jury trial.


You can request a jury trial in traffic court. I have watched a man request and receive a move from the District Court of MD to the Circuit Court.
2012-10-09 02:29:43 AM  
1 votes:

jigger: And show me where in the constitution the federal government is authorized to police immigration.

Article I, section 8, clause 4:The Congress shall have Power...To establish an uniform Rule of Naturalization, and uniform Laws on the subject of Bankruptcies throughout the United States;...


This allows the U.S. Congress to create rules about citizenship; what it is, how to obtain it, etc. Part of creating a rule of anything is the penalties for violating those rules. So, Article I, Section 8, Clause 4 is where the Constitution authorizes the Federal Government to police immigration, since that's where they are allowed to police citizenship.
2012-10-09 02:15:54 AM  
1 votes:

jigger: 2words1finger: So the basis of everything that follows is relevant state and local laws, and since most state and local laws have absolutely nothing do with immigration (because as mentioned before, that is under the purview of federal authorities), we could just stop right there. We won't though, because this is just too damn much fun! Moving on...

They do not have any constitutional authority to police immigration.


It has been my experience that the folks who bring up the constitution the most are generally the ones who understand it the least.

That is all.
2012-10-09 02:01:21 AM  
1 votes:
I'll give you a hint..congress passes all sorts of laws not specifically mentioned in the constitution. However, the document gives them the power TO pass laws. Crazy I know, that the founders expected the nation to pass laws.
2012-10-09 01:15:05 AM  
1 votes:

ThrobblefootSpectre: 2words1finger: Section 493 of the AEDPA'96 is little more than legal filler designed to make it sound like it has teeth when in fact it is as gummy as my 98-year-old granny. Here's a protip for ya ThrobblefootSpectre, don't go citing laws that you don't understand, it just makes you look like an idiot.

Tell the U.S. supreme court.

I don't know what else to say. I cite federal law, giving the law name, date passed and relevant text. You give a rant of personal insults, and opinions without citations. And quite frankly, I maintain that your opinions on the subject are factually wrong. I don't mean any offence by that. I understand you are getting upset over this. I'm simply stating fact.


I think I did a pretty good job of explaining - in a HILARIOUS way, BTW - how the law you cited is irrelevant to the discussion you butted into. Yes SCOTUS cited it for the Arizona thing, but that was because Arizona enacted a RELEVANT state law, which is what is called for in the section of the AEDPA that you cited.

I seriously don't know how to explain it any simpler without resorting to pictures and hand gestures, so I'm gonna assume that you either just don't know when to stop or that you're trying to use that rarely-seen "passive and polite" trolling tactic. Eiter way, I'm going to ignore you now. Good day sir.

/I SAID GOOD DAY!
2012-10-09 01:08:42 AM  
1 votes:

ThrobblefootSpectre: Smackledorfer: I don't know if you are stupid enough that you are being honest, or such a stupid troll that you think anyone buys your argument.

I simply pointed out what federal law says on the subject. If you have some citations otherwise please do post them. And leave out the childish insults next time. :)


You pasted something you didn't read and still don't understand.
2012-10-09 12:10:43 AM  
1 votes:

jigger: 2words1finger: That's because city, county, and state LEOs do not have the authority to enforce immigration policy, regardless of how much Arizona would like them to. In other words, it ain't their farking job to round up all the Mexis.

What federal law prevents this? I don't know. I'm asking, because it isn't the constitution.


There is no federal law that prevents it. There are, in fact, federal laws that explicitly and unambiguously allow it. See above post about Arizona vs the United States. 2words1finger is just wrong.
2012-10-08 11:48:40 PM  
1 votes:

Smackledorfer: Federal laws aren't state laws. Similarly the federal gov can't give their agents peace officer status to enforce state law. Here in Michigan our governor does that (every term I believe is how they do it). Other states, like Texas, do not.
States have to pass their own laws or get some permission to function as agents of the federal gov to enforce the crimes that the federal gov recognizes.



Congress already gave that permission. Section 439 of the Antiterrorism and Effective Death Penalty Act of 1996 states -

"To the extent permitted by relevant State and local law, State and local law enforcement
officials are authorized to arrest and detain an individual who-(1) is an alien illegally
present in the United States; and (2) has previously been convicted of a felony in the United
States and deported or left the United States after such conviction, but only after the State or
local law enforcement officials obtain appropriate confirmation from the Immigration and
Naturalization Service of the status of such individual and only for such period of time as may be required for the Service to take the individual into Federal custody for purposes of deporting or removing the alien from the United States."


The above federal law was specifically cited by SCOTUS in the 2012 case Arizona vs. the United States, where the U.S. supreme court upheld the Arizona law that requires state law enforcement officials to determine the immigration status of anyone they stop or arrest if they have reason to suspect that the individual might be in the country illegally.


Smackledorfer: Now, on that note: do you think it reasonable for state governments to be able to pass state laws regarding determining citizenship?


Yes.
2012-10-08 11:38:13 PM  
1 votes:

I agree with you: 22 shells are really cheap, and would fix the border problem in no time. One behind the ear.


Derp derp.
2012-10-08 11:05:07 PM  
1 votes:

davidphogan: tenpoundsofcheese: Klippoklondike: tenpoundsofcheese: Klippoklondike: Godscrack: Klippoklondike: Meanwhile Jose Vargas was arrested on a traffic violation

The article is about an Albanian illegal alien, Vern.

Save your Mexican hate for Storm Front.

What? Vargas isn't Mexican, he's Filipino and I am on his side

His side? You are pro people being in this country illegally?

He brings up a lot of good points on immigration policy. If you haven't you should check out some of his articles about it. It's not so cut and dry as brown people jumping a fence. I don't like people breaking the law either, but it's hard to like the way our immigration policy is right now. The only way to change it is to call it out and point out its flaws, which he is doing.

You do know that he can point out the flaws from the Philippines, right? He doesn't have to remain in the country illegally.
He was driving with an invalid license in a blatantly unsafe manner (wearing headphones). He is an accident waiting to happen.
How many more people need to die from illegal immigrant car crashes before someone says enough?

There are plenty of American citizens who are accidents waiting to happen as well. I don't care where you're from if you hit me with your car.


You'd care if you were a victim of a hit and run with a broken back and a Harry Potter scar on your face. Then the driver flees the country so the passengers in your car sue you and your insurance company. Good times. All it takes is one illegal to screw up your life, and we have millions here in the US with no accountability for their actions.
2012-10-08 10:11:41 PM  
1 votes:

LemSkroob: spidermilk: In my eyes, it is morally wrong to not let people come here.

In my eyes, its morally wrong to not try to help fix up your home country. Its morally wrong to abandon your friends and family. If you are both physically and mentally strong and are so dedicated to trying to set up a better life somewhere else, perhaps that effort would have been better spent fixing the root issue in the first place.


The money that foreign workers send home to their family is called remittances. It amounts to tens of billions of dollars a year. It amounts to more than all the official aid given by rich nations by poor nations. The only source of money that is greater for poor nations is foreign direct investment (FDI).

It's a shame when poor nations permanently lose skilled workers and professionals such as engineers and doctors, because they desperately need those, but remittances are a massive source of hard currency for poor countries and the skills and ideas that the workers acquire abroad and then bring home may be worth more than their wages. Especially if those ideas include things like democracy, human rights, worker welfare and rights, etc.

It is mostly a win-win situation that out to be encouraged by making it cheaper and easier for remittances to be sent to poor countries without rich bankers taking 5% or more off the top.
2012-10-08 10:04:04 PM  
1 votes:

spidermilk: In my eyes, it is morally wrong to not let people come here.


In my eyes, its morally wrong to not try to help fix up your home country. Its morally wrong to abandon your friends and family. If you are both physically and mentally strong and are so dedicated to trying to set up a better life somewhere else, perhaps that effort would have been better spent fixing the root issue in the first place.
2012-10-08 10:01:02 PM  
1 votes:

Need_MindBleach: I'm sick of hearing about how the country is so goddamn hostile to immigration, because it's just not true.


Yep, it's one of the many open borders arguments that make no sense, and is actually the opposite of the truth. The U.S. allows far more legal immigration than any other nation on the planet.
2012-10-08 09:48:33 PM  
1 votes:

Godscrack: Klippoklondike: Meanwhile Jose Vargas was arrested on a traffic violation

The article is about an Albanian illegal alien, Vern.

Save your Mexican hate for Storm Front.


Lol. Way to stereotype, bigot.
2012-10-08 09:27:39 PM  
1 votes:

Mock26: Bashar and Asma's Infinite Playlist: Damn illegals are even taking our acting jobs now.

Because most Americansbusinesses are too damn arrogantgreedy to workpay for the wages that they pay the illegalslegal residents.

 

Yes, it's the legal workers fault they don't want to work for 12 cents/hour to pay for the "luxuries" of car and health insurance and retirement. It's the legal worker's fault they don't qualify for medicaid because they decided to put off having kids until they could afford them
2012-10-08 08:58:24 PM  
1 votes:

Mock26: Bashar and Asma's Infinite Playlist: Damn illegals are even taking our acting jobs now.

Because most Americans are too damn arrogant to work for the wages that they pay the illegals.


Yeah, the American working class to just too farking arrogant to work for any less than 5.50 an hour. They should be ashamed. At that rate, you can almost afford to rent a one-bedroom apartment without going on the government dole!
2012-10-08 08:57:08 PM  
1 votes:
Not really ironic when you are stupid enough to advertise your situation by making a movie about it. Kind of a really expensive version of filming your crime and then posting it on Facebook.
2012-10-08 08:44:45 PM  
1 votes:

Smackledorfer: Benjimin_Dover: 2words1finger: Just Another OC Homeless Guy: downstairs: Kinda torn here.  He's obviously smart enough to know the risks, as that's what the friggin' movie is about... yet decided to show up to a public event and speak about said risks.  Said risks of trying not to out yourself.

What's interesting is that they apparently break out all stops to get this guy and the 45 Hispanic guys who don't speak a word of English lounging in front of any random Home Depot get a total pass from all LEOs.

That's because city, county, and state LEOs do not have the authority to enforce immigration policy, regardless of how much Arizona would like them to. In other words, it ain't their farking job to round up all the Mexis.

Correct. City, county, and state LEO's don't have the authority to enforce immigration policy but they do have the authority to enforce laws.

Law != Policy

The level of government passing a law is the only level of the government that can authorize who is allowed to enforce it.

The question shouldn't be whether the state can wrest the authority to enforce federal criminal and admistrative laws (they can't) bit whether or not a satate should be allowed to pass it's own immigration laws (I'd be against it) like they can their own versions of other criminal laws.


Just so I understand your position, no LEO can enforce a law from a higher jurisdiction?
2012-10-08 08:41:17 PM  
1 votes:
Praq Rado's dreaming American may all be for nothing

I dream also, but having a dream does not mean the government will bend to my desires.
2012-10-08 08:24:06 PM  
1 votes:
It boggles the mind how much liberals want to bend over backwards to accommodate illegal immigrants, a 'victim' group that is virtually unlimited in size and numbers at the expense of fighting for the rights of American Indians and African Americans.
2012-10-08 08:22:06 PM  
1 votes:

opinionated Canadian: I hear American Detention Centers are awful places to be kept in.


Compared to a 3rd world prison? It's Mary-F**king-Poppins-ville.
2012-10-08 08:19:16 PM  
1 votes:

spidermilk: In my eyes, it is morally wrong to not let people come here.


Would you impose any numeric limits or qualifications at all? I wonder how many rural Chinese or Indian peasants would love to show up on our doorstep and have us take them in.
2012-10-08 08:18:12 PM  
1 votes:

opinionated Canadian: I hear American Detention Centers are awful places to be kept in. However, as one who works with immigrants Albanians have no future at home. They are hard working and after 11 years here without committing any crimes and supporting himself this man has earned his place in U.S.


Invite him to Canada :)
2012-10-08 08:16:28 PM  
1 votes:
I hear American Detention Centers are awful places to be kept in. However, as one who works with immigrants Albanians have no future at home. They are hard working and after 11 years here without committing any crimes and supporting himself this man has earned his place in U.S.
2012-10-08 08:15:02 PM  
1 votes:

Klippoklondike: tenpoundsofcheese: Klippoklondike: Godscrack: Klippoklondike: Meanwhile Jose Vargas was arrested on a traffic violation

The article is about an Albanian illegal alien, Vern.

Save your Mexican hate for Storm Front.

What? Vargas isn't Mexican, he's Filipino and I am on his side

His side? You are pro people being in this country illegally?

He brings up a lot of good points on immigration policy. If you haven't you should check out some of his articles about it. It's not so cut and dry as brown people jumping a fence. I don't like people breaking the law either, but it's hard to like the way our immigration policy is right now. The only way to change it is to call it out and point out its flaws, which he is doing.


The policy where we admit more immigrants than the rest of the world combined, a million or so a year? The one where we take people just for "family reunification" and not because they have skills that would benefit the country or money to invest here? Just how much more generous do you want to be? Should we throw the doors open and take anybody at all, from anywhere, no matter how uneducated, sick, or impoverished? If you're not prepared to go that far, then you're going to continue to have a population of people who are here in violation of the law, and we're going to have the same problems dealing with them as we do now.
2012-10-08 08:12:07 PM  
1 votes:

davidphogan: I don't care where you're from if you hit me with your car.


You might care. Can illegals buy insurance?
2012-10-08 08:11:46 PM  
1 votes:

Smackledorfer: Savage Belief: downstairs: Kinda torn here.  He's obviously smart enough to know the risks, as that's what the friggin' movie is about... yet decided to show up to a public event and speak about said risks.  Said risks of trying not to out yourself.

Makes you wonder why the didn't have an army of ICE agents at the massive illegal immigrant marches a few years back...

Probably because marching in a parade isn't against the law and mass seizures of people based solely on race or ethnicity would be a gross violation of the fourth amendment.

Furthermore, seizing USCs for having a political opinion at a rally would result in an assload of first amendment lawsuits as well.

I know this amazes people, but not only do illegal immigrants have 4th amendment protections but even if the did not, those trying to catch them don't know if people are citizens or aliens (legal or otherwise) just by a glance.


Considering the people marching practically advertised they were, in fact, illegal aliens, I'd call that a moot point.
2012-10-08 08:11:12 PM  
1 votes:

Klippoklondike: tenpoundsofcheese: Klippoklondike: Godscrack: Klippoklondike: Meanwhile Jose Vargas was arrested on a traffic violation

The article is about an Albanian illegal alien, Vern.

Save your Mexican hate for Storm Front.

What? Vargas isn't Mexican, he's Filipino and I am on his side

His side? You are pro people being in this country illegally?

He brings up a lot of good points on immigration policy. If you haven't you should check out some of his articles about it. It's not so cut and dry as brown people jumping a fence. I don't like people breaking the law either, but it's hard to like the way our immigration policy is right now. The only way to change it is to call it out and point out its flaws, which he is doing.


This. If you have ever known someone who was trying to legally immigrate then you would understand why people might come here illegally.

I know a girl who has lived her since high school and just graduated from college. Because she is French instead of brown and speaks perfect English she made it through several years of being an illegal immigrant while the naturalization process FINALLY was completed (it isn't like you can just sign up and be stamped as a citizen that day) and now she is a citizen. This is a chick who went to school, worked to pay for it, and found time to volunteer- if people like that want to be in our country we should let them.

I know two guys with engineering degrees who my company hired to work for them. It was nearly impossible for them to move here legally with the extreme restrictions we have in place to keep out 'illegals'- can't get a car, can't get a loan or any type of credit (can't buy a home), can't get a driver's license.

If someone wants to come live here and tries to do all the right things but doesn't have 5 years to wait and hope and pray they get chosen and approved and they come here illegally- it is against our laws but I don't think it is morally wrong. What is morally wrong is deporting people back to dangerous countries where they will live in poverty for the rest of their life. In my eyes, it is morally wrong to not let people come here.
2012-10-08 08:01:19 PM  
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Good.
2012-10-08 07:54:31 PM  
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downstairs: Kinda torn here.  He's obviously smart enough to know the risks, as that's what the friggin' movie is about... yet decided to show up to a public event and speak about said risks.  Said risks of trying not to out yourself.


Makes you wonder why the didn't have an army of ICE agents at the massive illegal immigrant marches a few years back...
2012-10-08 07:53:52 PM  
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We should execute him, as we will one day have to execute all illegals, and all unruly children. I am running for congress in Arkansas, and this is my platform, (as well as the platform of every other Republican on that ballet). But enough about me. Lets talk about this guy who sneaked into are country. Sneakers like him must be booted out. If youre country is so bad then maybe take a weekend vacation to Sandals, do NOT take a lifetime vacation to America. We have enough problems with unemployment without you clogging up the job market. The BLS at first said Obama was bad at job growth, but then flipflopped and said hes good but the truth is that they were right before, hes bad! And these guys taking are acting and modeling jobs is just making things worse. I could be a model. I, like all Republicans, am bald and "stocky", with a goatee, and I am STRAIGHT. Women constantly undress me with there eyes, down to my thong. I could easily model for Bass Pro Shops. A photo of me on a fishing boat with my sleeveless army shirt would probably pump up sales 100%. But this guy took my job so now I am a fake plumber instead. These slippery immigrants need to be made an example of. Its one thing just to sling back these guys to where they came from, but how about this idea....Holocaust anyone? I know it makes me sound like a neo-National Socialist, but trust me, I am NOT a socialist. I just think this is better then sending them through the court system where they can just plead asymule. Once there all dead then we will have a lot of available jobs and we can put the loafers to work instead of them getting stoned off mary jane and watching the Daily Show. So heres a few right wing tips to you immigrants. Get out. Shoo! Leave America now and I promise I will not pursue you. But if you stay, I will look for you, I will find you, and I will kill you.
2012-10-08 07:45:59 PM  
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CygnusDarius: Just Another OC Homeless Guy: you are a puppet: "neo-national socialist"? lol

Or neo-Nazi. See, "nazi" is shorthand for "national socialist." The formal name if uncle Adolph's merry band of sociopaths was the "National Socialist German Workers' Party." Link

Which hated communists and socialists, even to the point of backstabbing the Reds.


(they also hated anarchists, moderates and liberals and even people who spoke Esperanto)

It's frustrating to see people confuse the Nazis with anything but fascism. They outlawed every means of thinking but their own. While this is typical of oligarchical statism (the "dictatorship of the proletariat"), communism has different motivations and goals - fascism always believes in the authoritative state of national identity. Communism's ultimate aim (though unsuccessful for a number of reasons) is to abolish the state completely.
2012-10-08 07:41:40 PM  
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Ah, they myth of the "illegal" immigrant.
2012-10-08 07:39:39 PM  
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OPEN BORDERS NOW!
2012-10-08 07:39:01 PM  
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2words1finger: Just Another OC Homeless Guy: downstairs: Kinda torn here.  He's obviously smart enough to know the risks, as that's what the friggin' movie is about... yet decided to show up to a public event and speak about said risks.  Said risks of trying not to out yourself.

What's interesting is that they apparently break out all stops to get this guy and the 45 Hispanic guys who don't speak a word of English lounging in front of any random Home Depot get a total pass from all LEOs.

That's because city, county, and state LEOs do not have the authority to enforce immigration policy, regardless of how much Arizona would like them to. In other words, it ain't their farking job to round up all the Mexis.


Correct. City, county, and state LEO's don't have the authority to enforce immigration policy but they do have the authority to enforce laws.

Law != Policy
2012-10-08 07:36:41 PM  
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give me doughnuts: jigger: 2words1finger: That's because city, county, and state LEOs do not have the authority to enforce immigration policy, regardless of how much Arizona would like them to. In other words, it ain't their farking job to round up all the Mexis.

What federal law prevents this? I don't know. I'm asking, because it isn't the constitution.

Immigration policy is a civil matter, not a criminal one. It's outside the purview of state and local law enforcement. It's even a matter that the FBI and other Federal law enforcement agencies don't get involved in unless it is related to additional criminal activity.

Also, immigration is never discussed in the Constitution, so why bring it up?


Being all the writers of the Constitution were foreign born, I imagine they didn't foresee any trouble with it.
2012-10-08 07:30:51 PM  
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jigger: 2words1finger: That's because city, county, and state LEOs do not have the authority to enforce immigration policy, regardless of how much Arizona would like them to. In other words, it ain't their farking job to round up all the Mexis.

What federal law prevents this? I don't know. I'm asking, because it isn't the constitution.


Immigration policy is a civil matter, not a criminal one. It's outside the purview of state and local law enforcement. It's even a matter that the FBI and other Federal law enforcement agencies don't get involved in unless it is related to additional criminal activity.

Also, immigration is never discussed in the Constitution, so why bring it up?
2012-10-08 07:11:39 PM  
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So this guy is a productive person and not overtly involved in any kind of shady shiat, so of course we're going to arrest him and deport him. Meanwhile, California prisons and jails have 25 to 50 percent illegal populations, but we keep them around going through the revolving door prison system because we need to make sure those union jobs at the prisons are protected from the overall falling crime rate the past 20 years. I love America
2012-10-08 07:07:52 PM  
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davidphogan: tenpoundsofcheese: Klippoklondike: tenpoundsofcheese: Klippoklondike: Godscrack: Klippoklondike: Meanwhile Jose Vargas was arrested on a traffic violation

The article is about an Albanian illegal alien, Vern.

Save your Mexican hate for Storm Front.

What? Vargas isn't Mexican, he's Filipino and I am on his side

His side? You are pro people being in this country illegally?

He brings up a lot of good points on immigration policy. If you haven't you should check out some of his articles about it. It's not so cut and dry as brown people jumping a fence. I don't like people breaking the law either, but it's hard to like the way our immigration policy is right now. The only way to change it is to call it out and point out its flaws, which he is doing.

You do know that he can point out the flaws from the Philippines, right? He doesn't have to remain in the country illegally.
He was driving with an invalid license in a blatantly unsafe manner (wearing headphones). He is an accident waiting to happen.
How many more people need to die from illegal immigrant car crashes before someone says enough?

There are plenty of American citizens who are accidents waiting to happen as well. I don't care where you're from if you hit me with your car.


I care. I care a lot! Illegals are very very very unlikely to have insurance...
2012-10-08 05:16:19 PM  
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Klippoklondike: Godscrack: Klippoklondike: Meanwhile Jose Vargas was arrested on a traffic violation

The article is about an Albanian illegal alien, Vern.

Save your Mexican hate for Storm Front.

What? Vargas isn't Mexican, he's Filipino and I am on his side


His side? You are pro people being in this country illegally?
2012-10-08 04:14:49 PM  
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Can't wait for the sequel!
2012-10-08 04:12:10 PM  
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Really expensive way to catch one illegal.
 
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