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2012-10-08 03:45:06 PM  
Kinda torn here.  He's obviously smart enough to know the risks, as that's what the friggin' movie is about... yet decided to show up to a public event and speak about said risks.  Said risks of trying not to out yourself.
 
2012-10-08 04:12:10 PM  
Really expensive way to catch one illegal.
 
2012-10-08 04:14:49 PM  
Can't wait for the sequel!
 
2012-10-08 04:18:07 PM  
That can't be fun.
 
2012-10-08 04:20:18 PM  
INS or ICE or what ever initials they go by now hate when people flaunt in front of them.

Flaunt to the side, around the back but not in front
 
2012-10-08 04:20:45 PM  

downstairs: Kinda torn here.  He's obviously smart enough to know the risks, as that's what the friggin' movie is about... yet decided to show up to a public event and speak about said risks.  Said risks of trying not to out yourself.


Meanwhile Jose Vargas was arrested on a traffic violation, proven to be an illegal immigrant, and let go. He's publicly admitted to being an illegal alien and even called in to ICE about it, asking if they'd ever do anything about it; they said they don't know yet.

/our immigration policy is stupid and needs to change 
//if you don't know who Vargas is, look him up, it's an interesting read.
 
2012-10-08 04:34:38 PM  

Klippoklondike: downstairs: Kinda torn here.  He's obviously smart enough to know the risks, as that's what the friggin' movie is about... yet decided to show up to a public event and speak about said risks.  Said risks of trying not to out yourself.

Meanwhile Jose Vargas was arrested on a traffic violation, proven to be an illegal immigrant, and let go. He's publicly admitted to being an illegal alien and even called in to ICE about it, asking if they'd ever do anything about it; they said they don't know yet.

/our coddling immigration policy is stupid and needs to change 
//if you don't know who Vargas is, look him up, it's an interesting read.


ftfy.
 
2012-10-08 04:48:19 PM  
If you're losing a job to a moron like this, you're to motherf*cking stupid to be employed.
 
2012-10-08 04:54:14 PM  

Klippoklondike: Meanwhile Jose Vargas was arrested on a traffic violation


The article is about an Albanian illegal alien, Vern.

Save your Mexican hate for Storm Front.
 
2012-10-08 04:59:58 PM  
Dude should get Obama's relatives' attorneys. They have this shuffle down.
 
2012-10-08 05:02:13 PM  

Godscrack: Klippoklondike: Meanwhile Jose Vargas was arrested on a traffic violation

The article is about an Albanian illegal alien, Vern.

Save your Mexican hate for Storm Front.


What? Vargas isn't Mexican, he's Filipino and I am on his side
 
2012-10-08 05:16:19 PM  

Klippoklondike: Godscrack: Klippoklondike: Meanwhile Jose Vargas was arrested on a traffic violation

The article is about an Albanian illegal alien, Vern.

Save your Mexican hate for Storm Front.

What? Vargas isn't Mexican, he's Filipino and I am on his side


His side? You are pro people being in this country illegally?
 
2012-10-08 05:18:09 PM  

Aarontology: If you're losing a job to a moron like this, you're to motherf*cking stupid to be employed.


There may be an opening at one of his last jobs.

In America, he struggled to survive and find work without a Social Security number, taking jobs as a go-go dancer at a gay bar in the East Village
 
2012-10-08 05:23:58 PM  

tenpoundsofcheese: Klippoklondike: Godscrack: Klippoklondike: Meanwhile Jose Vargas was arrested on a traffic violation

The article is about an Albanian illegal alien, Vern.

Save your Mexican hate for Storm Front.

What? Vargas isn't Mexican, he's Filipino and I am on his side

His side? You are pro people being in this country illegally?


He brings up a lot of good points on immigration policy. If you haven't you should check out some of his articles about it. It's not so cut and dry as brown people jumping a fence. I don't like people breaking the law either, but it's hard to like the way our immigration policy is right now. The only way to change it is to call it out and point out its flaws, which he is doing.
 
2012-10-08 05:26:21 PM  

Klippoklondike: tenpoundsofcheese: Klippoklondike: Godscrack: Klippoklondike: Meanwhile Jose Vargas was arrested on a traffic violation

The article is about an Albanian illegal alien, Vern.

Save your Mexican hate for Storm Front.

What? Vargas isn't Mexican, he's Filipino and I am on his side

His side? You are pro people being in this country illegally?

He brings up a lot of good points on immigration policy. If you haven't you should check out some of his articles about it. It's not so cut and dry as brown people jumping a fence. I don't like people breaking the law either, but it's hard to like the way our immigration policy is right now. The only way to change it is to call it out and point out its flaws, which he is doing.


Back to TFA...this guy isn't brown.
 
2012-10-08 05:39:22 PM  

Klippoklondike: tenpoundsofcheese: Klippoklondike: Godscrack: Klippoklondike: Meanwhile Jose Vargas was arrested on a traffic violation

The article is about an Albanian illegal alien, Vern.

Save your Mexican hate for Storm Front.

What? Vargas isn't Mexican, he's Filipino and I am on his side

His side? You are pro people being in this country illegally?

He brings up a lot of good points on immigration policy. If you haven't you should check out some of his articles about it. It's not so cut and dry as brown people jumping a fence. I don't like people breaking the law either, but it's hard to like the way our immigration policy is right now. The only way to change it is to call it out and point out its flaws, which he is doing.


You do know that he can point out the flaws from the Philippines, right? He doesn't have to remain in the country illegally.
He was driving with an invalid license in a blatantly unsafe manner (wearing headphones). He is an accident waiting to happen.
How many more people need to die from illegal immigrant car crashes before someone says enough?
 
2012-10-08 06:45:33 PM  

tenpoundsofcheese: Klippoklondike: tenpoundsofcheese: Klippoklondike: Godscrack: Klippoklondike: Meanwhile Jose Vargas was arrested on a traffic violation

The article is about an Albanian illegal alien, Vern.

Save your Mexican hate for Storm Front.

What? Vargas isn't Mexican, he's Filipino and I am on his side

His side? You are pro people being in this country illegally?

He brings up a lot of good points on immigration policy. If you haven't you should check out some of his articles about it. It's not so cut and dry as brown people jumping a fence. I don't like people breaking the law either, but it's hard to like the way our immigration policy is right now. The only way to change it is to call it out and point out its flaws, which he is doing.

You do know that he can point out the flaws from the Philippines, right? He doesn't have to remain in the country illegally.
He was driving with an invalid license in a blatantly unsafe manner (wearing headphones). He is an accident waiting to happen.
How many more people need to die from illegal immigrant car crashes before someone says enough?


There are plenty of American citizens who are accidents waiting to happen as well. I don't care where you're from if you hit me with your car.
 
2012-10-08 07:03:54 PM  

davidphogan: tenpoundsofcheese: Klippoklondike: tenpoundsofcheese: Klippoklondike: Godscrack: Klippoklondike: Meanwhile Jose Vargas was arrested on a traffic violation

The article is about an Albanian illegal alien, Vern.

Save your Mexican hate for Storm Front.

What? Vargas isn't Mexican, he's Filipino and I am on his side

His side? You are pro people being in this country illegally?

He brings up a lot of good points on immigration policy. If you haven't you should check out some of his articles about it. It's not so cut and dry as brown people jumping a fence. I don't like people breaking the law either, but it's hard to like the way our immigration policy is right now. The only way to change it is to call it out and point out its flaws, which he is doing.

You do know that he can point out the flaws from the Philippines, right? He doesn't have to remain in the country illegally.
He was driving with an invalid license in a blatantly unsafe manner (wearing headphones). He is an accident waiting to happen.
How many more people need to die from illegal immigrant car crashes before someone says enough?

There are plenty of American citizens who are accidents waiting to happen as well. I don't care where you're from if you hit me with your car.


Don't feed the troll.
 
2012-10-08 07:04:01 PM  
Es como la lluvia en el día de tu boda...
 
2012-10-08 07:04:40 PM  
Albania.
Albania.
You border on the Adriatic.
Your land is mostly mountainous,
And your chief export is chrome.
 
2012-10-08 07:05:26 PM  

Ed Finnerty: Es como la lluvia en el día de tu boda...


Es un aventon gratis cuando tu ya pagaste.
 
2012-10-08 07:05:28 PM  

tenpoundsofcheese: Klippoklondike: tenpoundsofcheese: Klippoklondike: Godscrack: Klippoklondike: Meanwhile Jose Vargas was arrested on a traffic violation

The article is about an Albanian illegal alien, Vern.

Save your Mexican hate for Storm Front.

What? Vargas isn't Mexican, he's Filipino and I am on his side

His side? You are pro people being in this country illegally?

He brings up a lot of good points on immigration policy. If you haven't you should check out some of his articles about it. It's not so cut and dry as brown people jumping a fence. I don't like people breaking the law either, but it's hard to like the way our immigration policy is right now. The only way to change it is to call it out and point out its flaws, which he is doing.

You do know that he can point out the flaws from the Philippines, right? He doesn't have to remain in the country illegally.
He was driving with an invalid license in a blatantly unsafe manner (wearing headphones). He is an accident waiting to happen.
How many more people need to die from illegal immigrant car crashes before someone says enough?


/Sent from my iPhone while driving....
 
2012-10-08 07:06:52 PM  

downstairs: Kinda torn here.  He's obviously smart enough to know the risks, as that's what the friggin' movie is about... yet decided to show up to a public event and speak about said risks.  Said risks of trying not to out yourself.


What's interesting is that they apparently break out all stops to get this guy and the 45 Hispanic guys who don't speak a word of English lounging in front of any random Home Depot get a total pass from all LEOs.
 
2012-10-08 07:07:08 PM  

Aarontology: If you're losing a job to a moron like this, you're your to motherf*cking stupid to be employed.


Pet peeve...
 
2012-10-08 07:07:52 PM  

davidphogan: tenpoundsofcheese: Klippoklondike: tenpoundsofcheese: Klippoklondike: Godscrack: Klippoklondike: Meanwhile Jose Vargas was arrested on a traffic violation

The article is about an Albanian illegal alien, Vern.

Save your Mexican hate for Storm Front.

What? Vargas isn't Mexican, he's Filipino and I am on his side

His side? You are pro people being in this country illegally?

He brings up a lot of good points on immigration policy. If you haven't you should check out some of his articles about it. It's not so cut and dry as brown people jumping a fence. I don't like people breaking the law either, but it's hard to like the way our immigration policy is right now. The only way to change it is to call it out and point out its flaws, which he is doing.

You do know that he can point out the flaws from the Philippines, right? He doesn't have to remain in the country illegally.
He was driving with an invalid license in a blatantly unsafe manner (wearing headphones). He is an accident waiting to happen.
How many more people need to die from illegal immigrant car crashes before someone says enough?

There are plenty of American citizens who are accidents waiting to happen as well. I don't care where you're from if you hit me with your car.


I care. I care a lot! Illegals are very very very unlikely to have insurance...
 
2012-10-08 07:07:56 PM  

Aarontology: If you're losing a job to a moron like this, you're to motherf*cking stupid American to be employed.


fixed
 
2012-10-08 07:08:55 PM  
actually he was locked up for his own good because Liam Neeson has had it out for every goddamned Albanian for the last couple years
 
2012-10-08 07:10:35 PM  
Touching story-made-into-a-short-film or not, if you want to immigrate to America, farking follow the rules and do it legally. Whatever crap that's going on in your home country of Crushinglyfarkingpooristan is not our problem (though in truth it may be our fault), so you don't get mercy points for "escaping" from a shiathole.
 
2012-10-08 07:11:22 PM  
Didn't Flight of the Conchords do this already?
 
2012-10-08 07:11:39 PM  
So this guy is a productive person and not overtly involved in any kind of shady shiat, so of course we're going to arrest him and deport him. Meanwhile, California prisons and jails have 25 to 50 percent illegal populations, but we keep them around going through the revolving door prison system because we need to make sure those union jobs at the prisons are protected from the overall falling crime rate the past 20 years. I love America
 
2012-10-08 07:11:49 PM  
He's a very determined, very hardworking, very good long fellow

Hmm, wonder if that's a Freudian slip or bad editing? or just honest assessment...
 
2012-10-08 07:12:08 PM  
Whoa whoa whoa. They deported a white guy? This is getting out of hand.
 
2012-10-08 07:12:22 PM  

Just Another OC Homeless Guy: downstairs: Kinda torn here.  He's obviously smart enough to know the risks, as that's what the friggin' movie is about... yet decided to show up to a public event and speak about said risks.  Said risks of trying not to out yourself.

What's interesting is that they apparently break out all stops to get this guy and the 45 Hispanic guys who don't speak a word of English lounging in front of any random Home Depot get a total pass from all LEOs.


That's because city, county, and state LEOs do not have the authority to enforce immigration policy, regardless of how much Arizona would like them to. In other words, it ain't their farking job to round up all the Mexis.
 
2012-10-08 07:12:50 PM  
Good,he was breaking the law.
 
2012-10-08 07:13:00 PM  
media.tumblr.com
 
2012-10-08 07:13:26 PM  

2words1finger: Touching story-made-into-a-short-film or not, if you want to immigrate to America, farking follow the rules and do it legally. Whatever crap that's going on in your home country of Crushinglyfarkingpooristan is not our problem (though in truth it may be our fault), so you don't get mercy points for "escaping" from a shiathole.


And what if it's blatantly the US' fault? Do they get brownie points?.
 
2012-10-08 07:14:20 PM  

Godscrack: Klippoklondike: Meanwhile Jose Vargas was arrested on a traffic violation

The article is about an Albanian illegal alien, Vern.

Save your Mexican hate for Storm Front.


Hate? Really? Didn't see any hate there, just a reference to an interesting juxtaposition of unequal treatment under the law. BTW, Mexicans are not a race, and only a very small minority of them are Jewish. So I really don't understand the Storm Front (a neo-national socialist racist group) reference. Opposition to illegal immigration is not a racial issue.
 
2012-10-08 07:15:57 PM  

Just Another OC Homeless Guy: Godscrack: Klippoklondike: Meanwhile Jose Vargas was arrested on a traffic violation

The article is about an Albanian illegal alien, Vern.

Save your Mexican hate for Storm Front.

Hate? Really? Didn't see any hate there, just a reference to an interesting juxtaposition of unequal treatment under the law. BTW, Mexicans are not a race, and only a very small minority of them are Jewish. So I really don't understand the Storm Front (a neo-national socialist racist group) reference. Opposition to illegal immigration is not a racial issue.


And this is why I have you in a sickeningly-bright yellow.
 
2012-10-08 07:16:41 PM  

Klippoklondike: Godscrack: Klippoklondike: Meanwhile Jose Vargas was arrested on a traffic violation

The article is about an Albanian illegal alien, Vern.

Save your Mexican hate for Storm Front.

What? Vargas isn't Mexican, he's Filipino and I am on his side


Forget it, Jake. It's Liberaltown.

He's grooving on the rose-colored glasses.
 
2012-10-08 07:17:13 PM  
"neo-national socialist"? lol
 
2012-10-08 07:17:16 PM  

downstairs: Kinda torn here.  He's obviously smart enough to know the risks, as that's what the friggin' movie is about... yet decided to show up to a public event and speak about said risks.  Said risks of trying not to out yourself.



I don't think that this is a matter of intelligence, but rather one of economics. You see, the holidays are fast approaching and this guy has figured out how to get free transportation back home in time to celebrate with his family.
 
2012-10-08 07:17:58 PM  

2words1finger: That's because city, county, and state LEOs do not have the authority to enforce immigration policy, regardless of how much Arizona would like them to. In other words, it ain't their farking job to round up all the Mexis.


What federal law prevents this? I don't know. I'm asking, because it isn't the constitution.
 
2012-10-08 07:19:07 PM  

you are a puppet: "neo-national socialist"? lol


OC and pounds are both trolls, if not troll/sockpuppet. Believe me, I've had more meaningful conversations with a brick wall.
 
2012-10-08 07:19:57 PM  

TheDumbBlonde: Klippoklondike: tenpoundsofcheese: Klippoklondike: Godscrack: Klippoklondike: Meanwhile Jose Vargas was arrested on a traffic violation

The article is about an Albanian illegal alien, Vern.

Save your Mexican hate for Storm Front.

What? Vargas isn't Mexican, he's Filipino and I am on his side

His side? You are pro people being in this country illegally?

He brings up a lot of good points on immigration policy. If you haven't you should check out some of his articles about it. It's not so cut and dry as brown people jumping a fence. I don't like people breaking the law either, but it's hard to like the way our immigration policy is right now. The only way to change it is to call it out and point out its flaws, which he is doing.

Back to TFA...this guy isn't brown.


Then Fark Liberals should have no interest in him.
 
2012-10-08 07:20:27 PM  

ZeroPly: Aarontology: If you're losing a job to a moron like this, you're your to you are too motherf*cking stupid to be employed.

Pet peeve...

 

ftfy
 
2012-10-08 07:21:05 PM  

Just Another OC Homeless Guy: Godscrack: Klippoklondike: Meanwhile Jose Vargas was arrested on a traffic violation

The article is about an Albanian illegal alien, Vern.

Save your Mexican hate for Storm Front.

Hate? Really? Didn't see any hate there, just a reference to an interesting juxtaposition of unequal treatment under the law. BTW, Mexicans are not a race, and only a very small minority of them are Jewish. So I really don't understand the Storm Front (a neo-national socialist racist group) reference. Opposition to illegal immigration is not a racial issue.


You think nazis only care about jews and don't think brown is a race?
Might want to read up on the holocaust.
 
2012-10-08 07:21:31 PM  

pottie: I don't think that this is a matter of intelligence, but rather one of economics. You see, the holidays are fast approaching and this guy has figured out how to get free transportation back home in time to celebrate with his family.


Actually his family has already been murdered in his shiathole of a home country.
 
2012-10-08 07:21:54 PM  

2words1finger: Just Another OC Homeless Guy: downstairs: Kinda torn here.  He's obviously smart enough to know the risks, as that's what the friggin' movie is about... yet decided to show up to a public event and speak about said risks.  Said risks of trying not to out yourself.

What's interesting is that they apparently break out all stops to get this guy and the 45 Hispanic guys who don't speak a word of English lounging in front of any random Home Depot get a total pass from all LEOs.

That's because city, county, and state LEOs do not have the authority to enforce immigration policy, regardless of how much Arizona would like them to. In other words, it ain't their farking job to round up all the Mexis.


And it's already been pointed out the INS probably doesn't like it when you rub their faces in it with a movie.
 
2012-10-08 07:23:04 PM  

ZeroPly: Aarontology: If you're losing a job to a moron like this, you're your to motherf*cking stupid to be employed.

Pet peeve...


proper grammar is a pet peeve of you're's?
 
2012-10-08 07:23:48 PM  
Damn illegals are even taking our acting jobs now.
 
2012-10-08 07:23:59 PM  

2words1finger: Just Another OC Homeless Guy: downstairs: Kinda torn here.  He's obviously smart enough to know the risks, as that's what the friggin' movie is about... yet decided to show up to a public event and speak about said risks.  Said risks of trying not to out yourself.

What's interesting is that they apparently break out all stops to get this guy and the 45 Hispanic guys who don't speak a word of English lounging in front of any random Home Depot get a total pass from all LEOs.

That's because city, county, and state LEOs do not have the authority to enforce immigration policy, regardless of how much Arizona would like them to. In other words, it ain't their farking job to round up all the Mexis.

 

(Because this will be needed soon if not already)

weknowmemes.com
 
2012-10-08 07:27:54 PM  

proteus_b: pottie: I don't think that this is a matter of intelligence, but rather one of economics. You see, the holidays are fast approaching and this guy has figured out how to get free transportation back home in time to celebrate with his family.

Actually his family has already been murdered in his shiathole of a home country.


Wow, looks like the holidays will be pretty grim at his house.
 
2012-10-08 07:29:35 PM  
endingfromBlazingSaddles.jpg
 
2012-10-08 07:29:43 PM  

Vance Uppercut: ZeroPly: Aarontology: If you're losing a job to a moron like this, you're your to motherf*cking stupid to be employed.

Pet peeve...

proper grammar is a pet peeve of you're's?


and the rotsky gets another one. welcome to fark.
 
2012-10-08 07:30:30 PM  

you are a puppet: "neo-national socialist"? lol


Or neo-Nazi. See, "nazi" is shorthand for "national socialist." The formal name if uncle Adolph's merry band of sociopaths was the "National Socialist German Workers' Party." Link
 
2012-10-08 07:30:31 PM  

jigger: 2words1finger: That's because city, county, and state LEOs do not have the authority to enforce immigration policy, regardless of how much Arizona would like them to. In other words, it ain't their farking job to round up all the Mexis.

What federal law prevents this? I don't know. I'm asking, because it isn't the constitution.


Federal laws aren't state laws. Similarly the federal gov can't give their agents peace officer status to enforce state law. Here in Michigan our governor does that (every term I believe is how they do it). Other states, like Texas, do not.

States have to pass their own laws or get some permission to function as agents of the federal gov to enforce the crimes that the federal gov recognizes.

Now, on that note: do you think it reasonable for state governments to be able to pass state laws regarding determining citizenship?

Broader point: making police determine citizenship discourages victims from calling them in those areas populated by illegals. Knpwing your victims can't call the police seems like it would result in an increase in crime, at least imo.
 
2012-10-08 07:30:41 PM  

pottie: proteus_b: pottie: I don't think that this is a matter of intelligence, but rather one of economics. You see, the holidays are fast approaching and this guy has figured out how to get free transportation back home in time to celebrate with his family.

Actually his family has already been murdered in his shiathole of a home country.

Wow, looks like the holidays will be pretty grim at his house.


Yet "Hispanics" are so proud.
 
2012-10-08 07:30:51 PM  

jigger: 2words1finger: That's because city, county, and state LEOs do not have the authority to enforce immigration policy, regardless of how much Arizona would like them to. In other words, it ain't their farking job to round up all the Mexis.

What federal law prevents this? I don't know. I'm asking, because it isn't the constitution.


Immigration policy is a civil matter, not a criminal one. It's outside the purview of state and local law enforcement. It's even a matter that the FBI and other Federal law enforcement agencies don't get involved in unless it is related to additional criminal activity.

Also, immigration is never discussed in the Constitution, so why bring it up?
 
2012-10-08 07:30:56 PM  

Ponzholio: Albania.
Albania.
You border on the Adriatic.
Your land is mostly mountainous,
And your chief export is chrome.


Taiwan, Taiwan on the sea! The China Sea!
 
2012-10-08 07:33:44 PM  

CygnusDarius: you are a puppet: "neo-national socialist"? lol

OC and pounds are both trolls, if not troll/sockpuppet. Believe me, I've had more meaningful conversations with a brick wall.


About that one-dimensional thinking of yours....
 
2012-10-08 07:34:32 PM  

bhcompy: So this guy is a productive person and not overtly involved in any kind of shady shiat, so of course we're going to arrest him and deport him. Meanwhile, California prisons and jails have 25 to 50 percent illegal populations, but we keep them around going through the revolving door prison system because we need to make sure those union jobs at the prisons are protected from the overall falling crime rate the past 20 years. I love America


I highly doubt any union prison workers in california are members of has functional control over what ICE's authority and capability to deport prisoners is.

You are getting close to tinfoil hat area here.
 
2012-10-08 07:34:59 PM  

Bashar and Asma's Infinite Playlist: Damn illegals are even taking our acting jobs now.


Perhaps they'll do a better job of it.
 
2012-10-08 07:35:03 PM  

Just Another OC Homeless Guy: CygnusDarius: you are a puppet: "neo-national socialist"? lol

OC and pounds are both trolls, if not troll/sockpuppet. Believe me, I've had more meaningful conversations with a brick wall.

About that one-dimensional thinking of yours....


Mirror, mirror...
 
2012-10-08 07:35:55 PM  

Just Another OC Homeless Guy: you are a puppet: "neo-national socialist"? lol

Or neo-Nazi. See, "nazi" is shorthand for "national socialist." The formal name if uncle Adolph's merry band of sociopaths was the "National Socialist German Workers' Party." Link


Which hated communists and socialists, even to the point of backstabbing the Reds.
 
2012-10-08 07:36:41 PM  

give me doughnuts: jigger: 2words1finger: That's because city, county, and state LEOs do not have the authority to enforce immigration policy, regardless of how much Arizona would like them to. In other words, it ain't their farking job to round up all the Mexis.

What federal law prevents this? I don't know. I'm asking, because it isn't the constitution.

Immigration policy is a civil matter, not a criminal one. It's outside the purview of state and local law enforcement. It's even a matter that the FBI and other Federal law enforcement agencies don't get involved in unless it is related to additional criminal activity.

Also, immigration is never discussed in the Constitution, so why bring it up?


Being all the writers of the Constitution were foreign born, I imagine they didn't foresee any trouble with it.
 
2012-10-08 07:39:01 PM  

2words1finger: Just Another OC Homeless Guy: downstairs: Kinda torn here.  He's obviously smart enough to know the risks, as that's what the friggin' movie is about... yet decided to show up to a public event and speak about said risks.  Said risks of trying not to out yourself.

What's interesting is that they apparently break out all stops to get this guy and the 45 Hispanic guys who don't speak a word of English lounging in front of any random Home Depot get a total pass from all LEOs.

That's because city, county, and state LEOs do not have the authority to enforce immigration policy, regardless of how much Arizona would like them to. In other words, it ain't their farking job to round up all the Mexis.


Correct. City, county, and state LEO's don't have the authority to enforce immigration policy but they do have the authority to enforce laws.

Law != Policy
 
2012-10-08 07:39:39 PM  
OPEN BORDERS NOW!
 
2012-10-08 07:40:31 PM  
24 minute film now a 29 minute film.
 
2012-10-08 07:41:40 PM  
Ah, they myth of the "illegal" immigrant.
 
2012-10-08 07:41:58 PM  

Billy Bathsalt: 24 minute film now a 29 minute film.


Where did the extra minutes go? A Serb stole them! Bwahaha, slavic humor!
 
2012-10-08 07:42:09 PM  

jigger: 2words1finger: That's because city, county, and state LEOs do not have the authority to enforce immigration policy, regardless of how much Arizona would like them to. In other words, it ain't their farking job to round up all the Mexis.

What federal law prevents this? I don't know. I'm asking, because it isn't the constitution.


regulation of immigration has long been considered an inherent federal power, per the supreme court. under the prevailing view, the states have no role in immigration law but many states' rights advocates believe that a sharing of immigration regulation is a more proper interpretation...this view has not gotten much traction in the courts.
 
2012-10-08 07:44:20 PM  

2words1finger: Touching story-made-into-a-short-film or not, if you want to immigrate to America, farking follow the rules and do it legally. Whatever crap that's going on in your home country of Crushinglyfarkingpooristan is not our problem (though in truth it may be our fault), so you don't get mercy points for "escaping" from a shiathole.


Exactly. Albania was a thriving country when it was socialist and has done nothing but turn to shiat since capitalism has ruined it. This guy is either a dummas or a genious. Did he not get the memo that we are also capitalist or is he coming here to help with our glorious transformation into a socialist mecca?
 
2012-10-08 07:44:26 PM  

bhcompy: So this guy is a productive person and not overtly involved in any kind of shady shiat, so of course we're going to arrest him and deport him. Meanwhile, California prisons and jails have 25 to 50 percent illegal populations, but we keep them around going through the revolving door prison system because we need to make sure those union jobs at the prisons are protected from the overall falling crime rate the past 20 years. I love America


Well prisons are mostly run by private for-profit contract companies nowadays. They have to keep the profits up somehow. (and they are afraid of losing all of the jailed cannabis users in where the states don't feel like prosecuting people for cannabis any longer)

2words1finger: Touching story-made-into-a-short-film or not, if you want to immigrate to America, farking follow the rules and do it legally. Whatever crap that's going on in your home country of Crushinglyfarkingpooristan is not our problem (though in truth it may be our fault), so you don't get mercy points for "escaping" from a shiathole.


you meant emigrate
 
2012-10-08 07:45:59 PM  

CygnusDarius: Just Another OC Homeless Guy: you are a puppet: "neo-national socialist"? lol

Or neo-Nazi. See, "nazi" is shorthand for "national socialist." The formal name if uncle Adolph's merry band of sociopaths was the "National Socialist German Workers' Party." Link

Which hated communists and socialists, even to the point of backstabbing the Reds.


(they also hated anarchists, moderates and liberals and even people who spoke Esperanto)

It's frustrating to see people confuse the Nazis with anything but fascism. They outlawed every means of thinking but their own. While this is typical of oligarchical statism (the "dictatorship of the proletariat"), communism has different motivations and goals - fascism always believes in the authoritative state of national identity. Communism's ultimate aim (though unsuccessful for a number of reasons) is to abolish the state completely.
 
2012-10-08 07:48:39 PM  

fusillade762: Aarontology: If you're losing a job to a moron like this, you're to motherf*cking stupid to be employed.

There may be an opening at one of his last jobs.

In America, he struggled to survive and find work without a Social Security number, taking jobs as a go-go dancer at a gay bar in the East Village


We overlook illegal immigrants, but not GAY illegals. Take that shiat back where you came from.
 
2012-10-08 07:48:55 PM  

richlip: Didn't Flight of the Conchords do this already?


Ahhh... yes. Leaving satisfied.
 
2012-10-08 07:53:25 PM  

Just Another OC Homeless Guy: you are a puppet: "neo-national socialist"? lol

Or neo-Nazi. See, "nazi" is shorthand for "national socialist." The formal name if uncle Adolph's merry band of sociopaths was the "National Socialist German Workers' Party." Link


Democratic Peoples' Republic... of Korea. Always makes me smile.
 
2012-10-08 07:53:48 PM  

TheDumbBlonde: Dude should get Obama's relatives' attorneys. They have this shuffle down.


We get it, he's black.

/the cleaners called, your hood is ready
 
2012-10-08 07:53:52 PM  
We should execute him, as we will one day have to execute all illegals, and all unruly children. I am running for congress in Arkansas, and this is my platform, (as well as the platform of every other Republican on that ballet). But enough about me. Lets talk about this guy who sneaked into are country. Sneakers like him must be booted out. If youre country is so bad then maybe take a weekend vacation to Sandals, do NOT take a lifetime vacation to America. We have enough problems with unemployment without you clogging up the job market. The BLS at first said Obama was bad at job growth, but then flipflopped and said hes good but the truth is that they were right before, hes bad! And these guys taking are acting and modeling jobs is just making things worse. I could be a model. I, like all Republicans, am bald and "stocky", with a goatee, and I am STRAIGHT. Women constantly undress me with there eyes, down to my thong. I could easily model for Bass Pro Shops. A photo of me on a fishing boat with my sleeveless army shirt would probably pump up sales 100%. But this guy took my job so now I am a fake plumber instead. These slippery immigrants need to be made an example of. Its one thing just to sling back these guys to where they came from, but how about this idea....Holocaust anyone? I know it makes me sound like a neo-National Socialist, but trust me, I am NOT a socialist. I just think this is better then sending them through the court system where they can just plead asymule. Once there all dead then we will have a lot of available jobs and we can put the loafers to work instead of them getting stoned off mary jane and watching the Daily Show. So heres a few right wing tips to you immigrants. Get out. Shoo! Leave America now and I promise I will not pursue you. But if you stay, I will look for you, I will find you, and I will kill you.
 
2012-10-08 07:54:07 PM  
no, it would be ironic if he was a legal immigrant, he didn't go see the movie, and his glasses broke when there was finally enough time
 
2012-10-08 07:54:31 PM  

downstairs: Kinda torn here.  He's obviously smart enough to know the risks, as that's what the friggin' movie is about... yet decided to show up to a public event and speak about said risks.  Said risks of trying not to out yourself.


Makes you wonder why the didn't have an army of ICE agents at the massive illegal immigrant marches a few years back...
 
2012-10-08 07:54:33 PM  
We don't need any more leftist pro-immigration films. We already have La misma luna,and it's all we need.
 
2012-10-08 07:56:26 PM  

The_Original_Roxtar: Vance Uppercut: ZeroPly: Aarontology: If you're losing a job to a moron like this, you're your to motherf*cking stupid to be employed.

Pet peeve...

proper grammar is a pet peeve of you're's?

and the rotsky gets another one. welcome to fark.


He he. It's always nice to meet a fellow farker that remembers the "rotsky".
 
2012-10-08 07:56:48 PM  

Benjimin_Dover: 2words1finger: Just Another OC Homeless Guy: downstairs: Kinda torn here.  He's obviously smart enough to know the risks, as that's what the friggin' movie is about... yet decided to show up to a public event and speak about said risks.  Said risks of trying not to out yourself.

What's interesting is that they apparently break out all stops to get this guy and the 45 Hispanic guys who don't speak a word of English lounging in front of any random Home Depot get a total pass from all LEOs.

That's because city, county, and state LEOs do not have the authority to enforce immigration policy, regardless of how much Arizona would like them to. In other words, it ain't their farking job to round up all the Mexis.

Correct. City, county, and state LEO's don't have the authority to enforce immigration policy but they do have the authority to enforce laws.

Law != Policy


The level of government passing a law is the only level of the government that can authorize who is allowed to enforce it.

The question shouldn't be whether the state can wrest the authority to enforce federal criminal and admistrative laws (they can't) bit whether or not a satate should be allowed to pass it's own immigration laws (I'd be against it) like they can their own versions of other criminal laws.
 
2012-10-08 07:56:53 PM  
Brown illegals are the only one's that deserve a better life for themselves. amiright!
 
2012-10-08 07:57:36 PM  

Just Another OC Homeless Guy: you are a puppet: "neo-national socialist"? lol

Or neo-Nazi. See, "nazi" is shorthand for "national socialist." The formal name if uncle Adolph's merry band of sociopaths was the "National Socialist German Workers' Party." Link


Thanks vag. Shorthand for "vagina"
 
2012-10-08 07:58:29 PM  

Horseraddish: CygnusDarius: Just Another OC Homeless Guy: you are a puppet: "neo-national socialist"? lol

Or neo-Nazi. See, "nazi" is shorthand for "national socialist." The formal name if uncle Adolph's merry band of sociopaths was the "National Socialist German Workers' Party." Link

Which hated communists and socialists, even to the point of backstabbing the Reds.

(they also hated anarchists, moderates and liberals and even people who spoke Esperanto)

It's frustrating to see people confuse the Nazis with anything but fascism. They outlawed every means of thinking but their own. While this is typical of oligarchical statism (the "dictatorship of the proletariat"), communism has different motivations and goals - fascism always believes in the authoritative state of national identity. Communism's ultimate aim (though unsuccessful for a number of reasons) is to abolish the state completely.


Usually because there is a complex part where the state has to become all-powerful in order to stomp out everything else first. IE, the Anakin Paradox.
 
2012-10-08 07:59:04 PM  

mr lawson: OPEN BORDERS NOW!


The border is wide open, nobody is forcing you to stay here.
 
2012-10-08 08:00:57 PM  

Just Another OC Homeless Guy: you are a puppet: "neo-national socialist"? lol

Or neo-Nazi. See, "nazi" is shorthand for "national socialist." The formal name if uncle Adolph's merry band of sociopaths was the "National Socialist German Workers' Party." Link


Looks like someone needs to read "Mein Kampf".
 
2012-10-08 08:01:19 PM  
Good.
 
2012-10-08 08:01:48 PM  

Horseraddish: CygnusDarius: Just Another OC Homeless Guy: you are a puppet: "neo-national socialist"? lol

Or neo-Nazi. See, "nazi" is shorthand for "national socialist." The formal name if uncle Adolph's merry band of sociopaths was the "National Socialist German Workers' Party." Link

Which hated communists and socialists, even to the point of backstabbing the Reds.

(they also hated anarchists, moderates and liberals and even people who spoke Esperanto)

It's frustrating to see people confuse the Nazis with anything but fascism. They outlawed every means of thinking but their own. While this is typical of oligarchical statism (the "dictatorship of the proletariat"), communism has different motivations and goals - fascism always believes in the authoritative state of national identity. Communism's ultimate aim (though unsuccessful for a number of reasons) is to abolish the state completely.


But, nowadays they make a good scapegoat for every political discussion.
 
2012-10-08 08:03:15 PM  
Albanians have worried me every since Edgar Winters scared me as a child.
 
2012-10-08 08:03:19 PM  

Savage Belief: downstairs: Kinda torn here.  He's obviously smart enough to know the risks, as that's what the friggin' movie is about... yet decided to show up to a public event and speak about said risks.  Said risks of trying not to out yourself.

Makes you wonder why the didn't have an army of ICE agents at the massive illegal immigrant marches a few years back...


Probably because marching in a parade isn't against the law and mass seizures of people based solely on race or ethnicity would be a gross violation of the fourth amendment.

Furthermore, seizing USCs for having a political opinion at a rally would result in an assload of first amendment lawsuits as well.

I know this amazes people, but not only do illegal immigrants have 4th amendment protections but even if the did not, those trying to catch them don't know if people are citizens or aliens (legal or otherwise) just by a glance.
 
2012-10-08 08:11:12 PM  

Klippoklondike: tenpoundsofcheese: Klippoklondike: Godscrack: Klippoklondike: Meanwhile Jose Vargas was arrested on a traffic violation

The article is about an Albanian illegal alien, Vern.

Save your Mexican hate for Storm Front.

What? Vargas isn't Mexican, he's Filipino and I am on his side

His side? You are pro people being in this country illegally?

He brings up a lot of good points on immigration policy. If you haven't you should check out some of his articles about it. It's not so cut and dry as brown people jumping a fence. I don't like people breaking the law either, but it's hard to like the way our immigration policy is right now. The only way to change it is to call it out and point out its flaws, which he is doing.


This. If you have ever known someone who was trying to legally immigrate then you would understand why people might come here illegally.

I know a girl who has lived her since high school and just graduated from college. Because she is French instead of brown and speaks perfect English she made it through several years of being an illegal immigrant while the naturalization process FINALLY was completed (it isn't like you can just sign up and be stamped as a citizen that day) and now she is a citizen. This is a chick who went to school, worked to pay for it, and found time to volunteer- if people like that want to be in our country we should let them.

I know two guys with engineering degrees who my company hired to work for them. It was nearly impossible for them to move here legally with the extreme restrictions we have in place to keep out 'illegals'- can't get a car, can't get a loan or any type of credit (can't buy a home), can't get a driver's license.

If someone wants to come live here and tries to do all the right things but doesn't have 5 years to wait and hope and pray they get chosen and approved and they come here illegally- it is against our laws but I don't think it is morally wrong. What is morally wrong is deporting people back to dangerous countries where they will live in poverty for the rest of their life. In my eyes, it is morally wrong to not let people come here.
 
2012-10-08 08:11:46 PM  

Smackledorfer: Savage Belief: downstairs: Kinda torn here.  He's obviously smart enough to know the risks, as that's what the friggin' movie is about... yet decided to show up to a public event and speak about said risks.  Said risks of trying not to out yourself.

Makes you wonder why the didn't have an army of ICE agents at the massive illegal immigrant marches a few years back...

Probably because marching in a parade isn't against the law and mass seizures of people based solely on race or ethnicity would be a gross violation of the fourth amendment.

Furthermore, seizing USCs for having a political opinion at a rally would result in an assload of first amendment lawsuits as well.

I know this amazes people, but not only do illegal immigrants have 4th amendment protections but even if the did not, those trying to catch them don't know if people are citizens or aliens (legal or otherwise) just by a glance.


Considering the people marching practically advertised they were, in fact, illegal aliens, I'd call that a moot point.
 
2012-10-08 08:13:43 PM  

Klippoklondike: Godscrack: Klippoklondike: Meanwhile Jose Vargas was arrested on a traffic violation

The article is about an Albanian illegal alien, Vern.

Save your Mexican hate for Storm Front.

What? Vargas isn't Mexican, he's Filipino and I am on his side


i837.photobucket.com

No hate like a liberal failing to race-bait with stereotypes hate
 
2012-10-08 08:15:02 PM  

Klippoklondike: tenpoundsofcheese: Klippoklondike: Godscrack: Klippoklondike: Meanwhile Jose Vargas was arrested on a traffic violation

The article is about an Albanian illegal alien, Vern.

Save your Mexican hate for Storm Front.

What? Vargas isn't Mexican, he's Filipino and I am on his side

His side? You are pro people being in this country illegally?

He brings up a lot of good points on immigration policy. If you haven't you should check out some of his articles about it. It's not so cut and dry as brown people jumping a fence. I don't like people breaking the law either, but it's hard to like the way our immigration policy is right now. The only way to change it is to call it out and point out its flaws, which he is doing.


The policy where we admit more immigrants than the rest of the world combined, a million or so a year? The one where we take people just for "family reunification" and not because they have skills that would benefit the country or money to invest here? Just how much more generous do you want to be? Should we throw the doors open and take anybody at all, from anywhere, no matter how uneducated, sick, or impoverished? If you're not prepared to go that far, then you're going to continue to have a population of people who are here in violation of the law, and we're going to have the same problems dealing with them as we do now.
 
2012-10-08 08:15:14 PM  

Savage Belief: Smackledorfer: Savage Belief: downstairs: Kinda torn here.  He's obviously smart enough to know the risks, as that's what the friggin' movie is about... yet decided to show up to a public event and speak about said risks.  Said risks of trying not to out yourself.

Makes you wonder why the didn't have an army of ICE agents at the massive illegal immigrant marches a few years back...

Probably because marching in a parade isn't against the law and mass seizures of people based solely on race or ethnicity would be a gross violation of the fourth amendment.

Furthermore, seizing USCs for having a political opinion at a rally would result in an assload of first amendment lawsuits as well.

I know this amazes people, but not only do illegal immigrants have 4th amendment protections but even if the did not, those trying to catch them don't know if people are citizens or aliens (legal or otherwise) just by a glance.

Considering the people marching practically advertised they were, in fact, illegal aliens, I'd call that a moot point.


Burdens of proof work much differently in your world than mine.
 
2012-10-08 08:16:28 PM  
I hear American Detention Centers are awful places to be kept in. However, as one who works with immigrants Albanians have no future at home. They are hard working and after 11 years here without committing any crimes and supporting himself this man has earned his place in U.S.
 
2012-10-08 08:17:08 PM  

KidneyStone: davidphogan: I don't care where you're from if you hit me with your car.

You might care. Can illegals buy insurance?


They can. They sure didn't, and they drove like shiat when I was in El Paso. Legal non-immigrant aliens too.
 
2012-10-08 08:18:12 PM  

opinionated Canadian: I hear American Detention Centers are awful places to be kept in. However, as one who works with immigrants Albanians have no future at home. They are hard working and after 11 years here without committing any crimes and supporting himself this man has earned his place in U.S.


Invite him to Canada :)
 
2012-10-08 08:19:16 PM  

spidermilk: In my eyes, it is morally wrong to not let people come here.


Would you impose any numeric limits or qualifications at all? I wonder how many rural Chinese or Indian peasants would love to show up on our doorstep and have us take them in.
 
2012-10-08 08:22:06 PM  

opinionated Canadian: I hear American Detention Centers are awful places to be kept in.


Compared to a 3rd world prison? It's Mary-F**king-Poppins-ville.
 
2012-10-08 08:24:06 PM  
It boggles the mind how much liberals want to bend over backwards to accommodate illegal immigrants, a 'victim' group that is virtually unlimited in size and numbers at the expense of fighting for the rights of American Indians and African Americans.
 
2012-10-08 08:24:57 PM  
Always good to see that SAM's back.
 
2012-10-08 08:27:27 PM  

Ponzholio: Albania.
Albania.
You border on the Adriatic.
Your land is mostly mountainous,
And your chief export is chrome.


And goat herding second cousin roomates for eighties sit coms.

And this.....www.perfectpeople.net
 
2012-10-08 08:34:18 PM  
What an odd film for something in the Hamptons.

"Look, it's one of those human-like things in daddy's factories. Is the party still at 8?"
 
2012-10-08 08:39:18 PM  

SquiggsIN: 2words1finger: Touching story-made-into-a-short-film or not, if you want to immigrate to America, farking follow the rules and do it legally. Whatever crap that's going on in your home country of Crushinglyfarkingpooristan is not our problem (though in truth it may be our fault), so you don't get mercy points for "escaping" from a shiathole.

you meant emigrate



Ack! Yeah, I borked that one. Truth be told, I was just looking for an excuse to use my favorite generic-third-world-country name. I mean, how great is "Crushinglyfarkingpooristan"?

/pretty farking great
//props to author Patrick E. McLean for coming up with it in his book "How To Succeed In Evil."
 
2012-10-08 08:41:17 PM  
Praq Rado's dreaming American may all be for nothing

I dream also, but having a dream does not mean the government will bend to my desires.
 
2012-10-08 08:43:33 PM  
Albania, Albania,
You border on the Adriatic,
You are mainly mountainous,
And your major export is crime
 
2012-10-08 08:44:45 PM  

Smackledorfer: Benjimin_Dover: 2words1finger: Just Another OC Homeless Guy: downstairs: Kinda torn here.  He's obviously smart enough to know the risks, as that's what the friggin' movie is about... yet decided to show up to a public event and speak about said risks.  Said risks of trying not to out yourself.

What's interesting is that they apparently break out all stops to get this guy and the 45 Hispanic guys who don't speak a word of English lounging in front of any random Home Depot get a total pass from all LEOs.

That's because city, county, and state LEOs do not have the authority to enforce immigration policy, regardless of how much Arizona would like them to. In other words, it ain't their farking job to round up all the Mexis.

Correct. City, county, and state LEO's don't have the authority to enforce immigration policy but they do have the authority to enforce laws.

Law != Policy

The level of government passing a law is the only level of the government that can authorize who is allowed to enforce it.

The question shouldn't be whether the state can wrest the authority to enforce federal criminal and admistrative laws (they can't) bit whether or not a satate should be allowed to pass it's own immigration laws (I'd be against it) like they can their own versions of other criminal laws.


Just so I understand your position, no LEO can enforce a law from a higher jurisdiction?
 
2012-10-08 08:47:13 PM  

medius: no, it would be ironic if he was a legal immigrant, he didn't go see the movie, and his glasses broke when there was finally enough time


twilight zone, nice!
 
2012-10-08 08:52:09 PM  

Bashar and Asma's Infinite Playlist: Damn illegals are even taking our acting jobs now.


Because most Americans are too damn arrogant to work for the wages that they pay the illegals.
 
2012-10-08 08:53:07 PM  

ultraholland: actually he was locked up for his own good because Liam Neeson has had it out for every goddamned Albanian for the last couple years


By the time that he is done with that country, he will have significantly reduced human trafficking in that part of the world - if not completely eliminating it. They just happened to get the wrong person's daughter.
 
2012-10-08 08:53:28 PM  
More than a million people legally immigrate to the US every year, of which about 500,000 stay permanently.

I'm sick of hearing about how the country is so goddamn hostile to immigration, because it's just not true.
 
2012-10-08 08:54:09 PM  

Benjimin_Dover: Smackledorfer: Benjimin_Dover: 2words1finger: Just Another OC Homeless Guy: downstairs: Kinda torn here.  He's obviously smart enough to know the risks, as that's what the friggin' movie is about... yet decided to show up to a public event and speak about said risks.  Said risks of trying not to out yourself.

What's interesting is that they apparently break out all stops to get this guy and the 45 Hispanic guys who don't speak a word of English lounging in front of any random Home Depot get a total pass from all LEOs.

That's because city, county, and state LEOs do not have the authority to enforce immigration policy, regardless of how much Arizona would like them to. In other words, it ain't their farking job to round up all the Mexis.

Correct. City, county, and state LEO's don't have the authority to enforce immigration policy but they do have the authority to enforce laws.

Law != Policy

The level of government passing a law is the only level of the government that can authorize who is allowed to enforce it.

The question shouldn't be whether the state can wrest the authority to enforce federal criminal and admistrative laws (they can't) bit whether or not a satate should be allowed to pass it's own immigration laws (I'd be against it) like they can their own versions of other criminal laws.

Just so I understand your position, no LEO can enforce a law from a higher jurisdiction?


Read my earlier comment for clarification. I don't know if it applies to restrictions between a state and county pd (my guess would be at the least county pds all are granted the state authority of peace officer status), but there is a default separation between state laws and federal laws.

Neither the state nor the federal level can unilaterally take authority to enforce the other's laws.
 
2012-10-08 08:55:13 PM  

WelldeadLink: Praq Rado's dreaming American may all be for nothing

I dream also, but having a dream does not mean the government will bend to my desires.


You are obviously not dreaming hard enough.
 
2012-10-08 08:55:32 PM  
Brilliant PR move! Now I almost want to see it.

Entertainment budget : close to 0
 
2012-10-08 08:56:49 PM  

Mock26: Bashar and Asma's Infinite Playlist: Damn illegals are even taking our acting jobs now.

Because most Americans are too damn arrogant to work for the wages that they pay the illegals.


Ya. Its arrogance and not staring down an entirely different cost of living for retirement and/or the off season in the case of seasonal workers.
 
2012-10-08 08:57:08 PM  
Not really ironic when you are stupid enough to advertise your situation by making a movie about it. Kind of a really expensive version of filming your crime and then posting it on Facebook.
 
2012-10-08 08:58:24 PM  

Mock26: Bashar and Asma's Infinite Playlist: Damn illegals are even taking our acting jobs now.

Because most Americans are too damn arrogant to work for the wages that they pay the illegals.


Yeah, the American working class to just too farking arrogant to work for any less than 5.50 an hour. They should be ashamed. At that rate, you can almost afford to rent a one-bedroom apartment without going on the government dole!
 
2012-10-08 09:00:29 PM  

mr lawson: OPEN BORDERS NOW!


www.toonaripost.com

Too late.
 
2012-10-08 09:02:37 PM  
Stoopid alien.

They're trying to flood the country with Latinos, not Albanians.
 
2012-10-08 09:13:53 PM  
JA! Pendejo...
 
2012-10-08 09:18:19 PM  

ZeroPly: Aarontology: If you're losing a job to a moron like this, you're your to motherf*cking stupid to be employed.

Pet peeve...


and still wrong:

If you're losing a job to a moron like, you are too motherf*cking stupid to be employed

(insert to-too.jpg)
 
2012-10-08 09:21:26 PM  

a61sun: ZeroPly: Aarontology: If you're losing a job to a moron like this, you're your to motherf*cking stupid to be employed.

Pet peeve...

and still wrong:

If you're losing a job to a moron like, you are too motherf*cking stupid to be employed

(insert to-too.jpg)


Your post is humorous on two levels.
 
2012-10-08 09:27:39 PM  

Mock26: Bashar and Asma's Infinite Playlist: Damn illegals are even taking our acting jobs now.

Because most Americansbusinesses are too damn arrogantgreedy to workpay for the wages that they pay the illegalslegal residents.

 

Yes, it's the legal workers fault they don't want to work for 12 cents/hour to pay for the "luxuries" of car and health insurance and retirement. It's the legal worker's fault they don't qualify for medicaid because they decided to put off having kids until they could afford them
 
2012-10-08 09:30:37 PM  

Ponzholio: Albania.
Albania.
You border on the Adriatic.
Your land is mostly mountainous,
And your chief export is chrome.


High five.
 
2012-10-08 09:33:12 PM  

Smackledorfer: Benjimin_Dover: Smackledorfer: Benjimin_Dover: 2words1finger: Just Another OC Homeless Guy: downstairs: Kinda torn here.  He's obviously smart enough to know the risks, as that's what the friggin' movie is about... yet decided to show up to a public event and speak about said risks.  Said risks of trying not to out yourself.

What's interesting is that they apparently break out all stops to get this guy and the 45 Hispanic guys who don't speak a word of English lounging in front of any random Home Depot get a total pass from all LEOs.

That's because city, county, and state LEOs do not have the authority to enforce immigration policy, regardless of how much Arizona would like them to. In other words, it ain't their farking job to round up all the Mexis.

Correct. City, county, and state LEO's don't have the authority to enforce immigration policy but they do have the authority to enforce laws.

Law != Policy

The level of government passing a law is the only level of the government that can authorize who is allowed to enforce it.

The question shouldn't be whether the state can wrest the authority to enforce federal criminal and admistrative laws (they can't) bit whether or not a satate should be allowed to pass it's own immigration laws (I'd be against it) like they can their own versions of other criminal laws.

Just so I understand your position, no LEO can enforce a law from a higher jurisdiction?

Read my earlier comment for clarification. I don't know if it applies to restrictions between a state and county pd (my guess would be at the least county pds all are granted the state authority of peace officer status), but there is a default separation between state laws and federal laws.

Neither the state nor the federal level can unilaterally take authority to enforce the other's laws.


Also, if the local police are going around doing the job of the feds, then who's going to do their jobs? Vigilantes?
 
2012-10-08 09:40:49 PM  

Need_MindBleach: Mock26: Bashar and Asma's Infinite Playlist: Damn illegals are even taking our acting jobs now.

Because most Americans are too damn arrogant to work for the wages that they pay the illegals.

Yeah, the American working class to just too farking arrogant to work for any less than 5.50 an hour. They should be ashamed. At that rate, you can almost afford to rent a one-bedroom apartment without going on the government dole!


I, personally, will not make a film for less than $5 million.
 
2012-10-08 09:42:17 PM  

Guidette Frankentits: Mock26: Bashar and Asma's Infinite Playlist: Damn illegals are even taking our acting jobs now.

Because most Americansbusinesses are too damn arrogantgreedy to workpay for the wages that they pay the illegalslegal residents. 

Yes, it's the legal workers fault they don't want to work for 12 cents/hour to pay for the "luxuries" of car and health insurance and retirement. It's the legal worker's fault they don't qualify for medicaid because they decided to put off having kids until they could afford them


It has nothing to do with employers. It is the studios who are too cheap to pay Americans to appear in their films.
 
2012-10-08 09:48:33 PM  

Godscrack: Klippoklondike: Meanwhile Jose Vargas was arrested on a traffic violation

The article is about an Albanian illegal alien, Vern.

Save your Mexican hate for Storm Front.


Lol. Way to stereotype, bigot.
 
2012-10-08 09:53:07 PM  

Need_MindBleach: I'm sick of hearing about how the country is so goddamn hostile to immigration, because it's just not true.


I've been an American citizen my entire life. When returning from an international business trip, the customs agent saw "problems" with my passport, but was willing to overlook those problems if I paid a $200 "repair fee". Since I didn't give in to the obvious bribe, I was denied entry, my passport was confiscated as a "forgery", and I was sent back to the country I had just returned from. I was bounced around between the various government departments for several days until I managed to contact the media in my home city. I was taken to the US embassy lan hour later, and told that I could either sit in a jail cell for a few weeks until the paperwork was sorted out, or I could sign a stack of papers barring me from speaking to the media and be put on a flight home within the hour...

I'm sick of hearing about how the country is so goddamn welcoming, because it's just not true.
 
2012-10-08 09:53:39 PM  

Benjimin_Dover: Correct. City, county, and state LEO's don't have the authority to enforce immigration policy but they do have the authority to enforce laws.


There's a narrow exception.

Article I Section 10 gives to the states the right to resist an invasion in the face of a derelict federal government.

It's an extreme option, but if a state declared that illegal immigrants represented an invading army, they could legally declare martial law and simply shoot them.
 
2012-10-08 09:58:39 PM  

Ponzholio: Albania.
Albania.
You border on the Adriatic.
Your land is mostly mountainous,
And your chief export is chrome crime.


fixed
 
2012-10-08 09:58:52 PM  

the ha ha guy: Need_MindBleach: I'm sick of hearing about how the country is so goddamn hostile to immigration, because it's just not true.

I've been an American citizen my entire life. When returning from an international business trip, the customs agent saw "problems" with my passport, but was willing to overlook those problems if I paid a $200 "repair fee". Since I didn't give in to the obvious bribe, I was denied entry, my passport was confiscated as a "forgery", and I was sent back to the country I had just returned from. I was bounced around between the various government departments for several days until I managed to contact the media in my home city. I was taken to the US embassy lan hour later, and told that I could either sit in a jail cell for a few weeks until the paperwork was sorted out, or I could sign a stack of papers barring me from speaking to the media and be put on a flight home within the hour...

I'm sick of hearing about how the country is so goddamn welcoming, because it's just not true.


Ha ha, guy.
 
2012-10-08 10:01:02 PM  

Need_MindBleach: I'm sick of hearing about how the country is so goddamn hostile to immigration, because it's just not true.


Yep, it's one of the many open borders arguments that make no sense, and is actually the opposite of the truth. The U.S. allows far more legal immigration than any other nation on the planet.
 
2012-10-08 10:03:03 PM  
That's how they caught Charlie Sheen, er, John Dillinger.

You're so vain, you probably think this movie is about you.
 
2012-10-08 10:04:04 PM  

spidermilk: In my eyes, it is morally wrong to not let people come here.


In my eyes, its morally wrong to not try to help fix up your home country. Its morally wrong to abandon your friends and family. If you are both physically and mentally strong and are so dedicated to trying to set up a better life somewhere else, perhaps that effort would have been better spent fixing the root issue in the first place.
 
2012-10-08 10:05:23 PM  

SquiggsIN: Well prisons are mostly run by private for-profit contract companies nowadays. They have to keep the profits up somehow. (and they are afraid of losing all of the jailed cannabis users in where the states don't feel like prosecuting people for cannabis any longer)


They are all public in California. Prison spending outstrips education spending.

Smackledorfer: bhcompy: So this guy is a productive person and not overtly involved in any kind of shady shiat, so of course we're going to arrest him and deport him. Meanwhile, California prisons and jails have 25 to 50 percent illegal populations, but we keep them around going through the revolving door prison system because we need to make sure those union jobs at the prisons are protected from the overall falling crime rate the past 20 years. I love America

I highly doubt any union prison workers in california are members of has functional control over what ICE's authority and capability to deport prisoners is.

You are getting close to tinfoil hat area here.


Perhaps, but it's ridiculous that they sit in our prisons for years while this guy did nothing nearly as bad to warrant the attention of the feds
 
2012-10-08 10:06:02 PM  

tenpoundsofcheese: His side? You are pro people being in this country illegally?


No, that's your side. I want it to be legal for him to be here.

Barring that, I'm fine with him being here otherwise. (Though it's kind of dumb to draw this much attention to yourself while doing it.)
 
BHK
2012-10-08 10:09:38 PM  
So a bunch of tax-fattened, overpaid pigs picked up a hardworking immigrant because he doesn't have the proper permission slips, and conservatives, who claim to be for small government, cheer them on.
 
2012-10-08 10:11:41 PM  

LemSkroob: spidermilk: In my eyes, it is morally wrong to not let people come here.

In my eyes, its morally wrong to not try to help fix up your home country. Its morally wrong to abandon your friends and family. If you are both physically and mentally strong and are so dedicated to trying to set up a better life somewhere else, perhaps that effort would have been better spent fixing the root issue in the first place.


The money that foreign workers send home to their family is called remittances. It amounts to tens of billions of dollars a year. It amounts to more than all the official aid given by rich nations by poor nations. The only source of money that is greater for poor nations is foreign direct investment (FDI).

It's a shame when poor nations permanently lose skilled workers and professionals such as engineers and doctors, because they desperately need those, but remittances are a massive source of hard currency for poor countries and the skills and ideas that the workers acquire abroad and then bring home may be worth more than their wages. Especially if those ideas include things like democracy, human rights, worker welfare and rights, etc.

It is mostly a win-win situation that out to be encouraged by making it cheaper and easier for remittances to be sent to poor countries without rich bankers taking 5% or more off the top.
 
2012-10-08 10:13:35 PM  
This demonstrates the value of not being seen.

/ Mrs Smegma, do të qëndrojë lart, ju lutem?
 
2012-10-08 10:18:35 PM  

bhcompy: SquiggsIN: Well prisons are mostly run by private for-profit contract companies nowadays. They have to keep the profits up somehow. (and they are afraid of losing all of the jailed cannabis users in where the states don't feel like prosecuting people for cannabis any longer)

They are all public in California. Prison spending outstrips education spending.

Smackledorfer: bhcompy: So this guy is a productive person and not overtly involved in any kind of shady shiat, so of course we're going to arrest him and deport him. Meanwhile, California prisons and jails have 25 to 50 percent illegal populations, but we keep them around going through the revolving door prison system because we need to make sure those union jobs at the prisons are protected from the overall falling crime rate the past 20 years. I love America

I highly doubt any union prison workers in california are members of has functional control over what ICE's authority and capability to deport prisoners is.

You are getting close to tinfoil hat area here.

Perhaps, but it's ridiculous that they sit in our prisons for years while this guy did nothing nearly as bad to warrant the attention of the feds


Now that I agree with.
Though I do agree with the policy of slapping a detainer on them and letting them rot the rest of their sentence. Bonus if they are re-entry after a prior deport the criminal penalty is higher for felonious aliens.
 
2012-10-08 10:22:53 PM  
So, if he was having problems in his home country and made it here, why didn't he ask for asylum? If he did ask for asylum, was it denied? Why was it denied? Was there no credible fear found? During his removal hearing, did he show up? If not, why? Did he have an attorney?
 
2012-10-08 10:27:36 PM  

BHK: So a bunch of tax-fattened, overpaid pigs picked up a hardworking immigrant because he doesn't have the proper permission slips, and conservatives, who claim to be for small government, cheer them on.


Or some underpaid union workers picked up a celebrity fashion model and movie star going to a movie premier, if you want to leave the spin out.
 
2012-10-08 10:30:09 PM  

EmmaLou: So, if he was having problems in his home country and made it here, why didn't he ask for asylum? If he did ask for asylum, was it denied? Why was it denied? Was there no credible fear found? During his removal hearing, did he show up? If not, why? Did he have an attorney?


Credible fear mostly only applies if the government of a foreign country is going to torture, persecution, etc.

Otherwise all of Mexico would be granted asylum from the cartels.
 
2012-10-08 10:35:30 PM  
I should have really finished that thought.

He would have to show not only that he had a good reason to flee, bit that he'd be met with that response upon his return.

Not saying he couldn't qualify, just that it's pretty hard.
 
2012-10-08 10:45:02 PM  

Soymilk: What's interesting is that they apparently break out all stops to get this guy and the 45 Hispanic guys who don't speak a word of English lounging in front of any random Home Depot get a total pass from all LEOs.

That's because city, county, and state LEOs do not have the authority to enforce immigration policy, regardless of how much Arizona would like them to. In other words, it ain't their farking job to round up all the Mexis.

Correct. City, county, and state LEO's don't have the authority to enforce immigration policy but they do have the authority to enforce laws.

Law != Policy

The level of government passing a law is the only level of the government that can authorize who is allowed to enforce it.

The question shouldn't be whether the state can wrest the authority to enforce federal criminal and admistrative laws (they can't) bit whether or not a satate should be allowed to pass it's own immigration laws (I'd be against it) like they can their own versions of other criminal laws.

Just so I understand your position, no LEO can enforce a law from a higher jurisdiction?

Read my earlier comment for clarification. I don't know if it applies to restrictions between a state and county pd (my guess would be at the least county pds all are granted the state authority of peace officer status), but there is a default separation between state laws and federal laws.

Neither the state nor the federal level can unilaterally take authority to enforce the other's laws.

Also, if the local police are going around doing the job of the feds, then who's going to do their jobs? Vigilantes?


media.dcentertainment.com

You were saying?
 
2012-10-08 11:05:07 PM  

davidphogan: tenpoundsofcheese: Klippoklondike: tenpoundsofcheese: Klippoklondike: Godscrack: Klippoklondike: Meanwhile Jose Vargas was arrested on a traffic violation

The article is about an Albanian illegal alien, Vern.

Save your Mexican hate for Storm Front.

What? Vargas isn't Mexican, he's Filipino and I am on his side

His side? You are pro people being in this country illegally?

He brings up a lot of good points on immigration policy. If you haven't you should check out some of his articles about it. It's not so cut and dry as brown people jumping a fence. I don't like people breaking the law either, but it's hard to like the way our immigration policy is right now. The only way to change it is to call it out and point out its flaws, which he is doing.

You do know that he can point out the flaws from the Philippines, right? He doesn't have to remain in the country illegally.
He was driving with an invalid license in a blatantly unsafe manner (wearing headphones). He is an accident waiting to happen.
How many more people need to die from illegal immigrant car crashes before someone says enough?

There are plenty of American citizens who are accidents waiting to happen as well. I don't care where you're from if you hit me with your car.


You'd care if you were a victim of a hit and run with a broken back and a Harry Potter scar on your face. Then the driver flees the country so the passengers in your car sue you and your insurance company. Good times. All it takes is one illegal to screw up your life, and we have millions here in the US with no accountability for their actions.
 
2012-10-08 11:35:12 PM  
22 shells are really cheap, and would fix the border problem in no time. One behind the ear.
 
2012-10-08 11:38:13 PM  

I agree with you: 22 shells are really cheap, and would fix the border problem in no time. One behind the ear.


Derp derp.
 
2012-10-08 11:44:30 PM  
Fano: Being all the writers of the Constitution were foreign born, I imagine they didn't foresee any trouble with it. 

Gouverneur Morris, b. New York.
John Dickinson, b. Maryland.
Roger Sherman, b. Massachusetts.

There were plenty of other people involved in the Constitution, of course - both the writing and the signing, which were separate affairs.

This isn't that important to the matter at hand, anyway. Yeah, the writers weren't all worried about illegal immigration at the time.
 
2012-10-08 11:48:40 PM  

Smackledorfer: Federal laws aren't state laws. Similarly the federal gov can't give their agents peace officer status to enforce state law. Here in Michigan our governor does that (every term I believe is how they do it). Other states, like Texas, do not.
States have to pass their own laws or get some permission to function as agents of the federal gov to enforce the crimes that the federal gov recognizes.



Congress already gave that permission. Section 439 of the Antiterrorism and Effective Death Penalty Act of 1996 states -

"To the extent permitted by relevant State and local law, State and local law enforcement
officials are authorized to arrest and detain an individual who-(1) is an alien illegally
present in the United States; and (2) has previously been convicted of a felony in the United
States and deported or left the United States after such conviction, but only after the State or
local law enforcement officials obtain appropriate confirmation from the Immigration and
Naturalization Service of the status of such individual and only for such period of time as may be required for the Service to take the individual into Federal custody for purposes of deporting or removing the alien from the United States."


The above federal law was specifically cited by SCOTUS in the 2012 case Arizona vs. the United States, where the U.S. supreme court upheld the Arizona law that requires state law enforcement officials to determine the immigration status of anyone they stop or arrest if they have reason to suspect that the individual might be in the country illegally.


Smackledorfer: Now, on that note: do you think it reasonable for state governments to be able to pass state laws regarding determining citizenship?


Yes.
 
2012-10-09 12:06:02 AM  

I agree with you: 22 shells are really cheap, and would fix the border problem in no time. One behind the ear.


You first, whitey.
 
2012-10-09 12:10:11 AM  
First, I was correct in my statement, so I don't see your point.

Second, I saw an "and" in there. It is kind of important, believe it or not.
 
2012-10-09 12:10:43 AM  

jigger: 2words1finger: That's because city, county, and state LEOs do not have the authority to enforce immigration policy, regardless of how much Arizona would like them to. In other words, it ain't their farking job to round up all the Mexis.

What federal law prevents this? I don't know. I'm asking, because it isn't the constitution.


There is no federal law that prevents it. There are, in fact, federal laws that explicitly and unambiguously allow it. See above post about Arizona vs the United States. 2words1finger is just wrong.
 
2012-10-09 12:13:13 AM  

Smackledorfer: EmmaLou: So, if he was having problems in his home country and made it here, why didn't he ask for asylum? If he did ask for asylum, was it denied? Why was it denied? Was there no credible fear found? During his removal hearing, did he show up? If not, why? Did he have an attorney?

Credible fear mostly only applies if the government of a foreign country is going to torture, persecution, etc.

Otherwise all of Mexico would be granted asylum from the cartels.


He said that his personal safety was at stake.

I'm sure people are claiming asylum now, based on the cartels in Mexico. Because of the extreme backlog in immigration courts, those cases just haven't made their way completely through the system.
 
2012-10-09 12:14:30 AM  
Just because the article says it's ironic doesn't mean it is, and it's not, as others have pointed out. It's sworn duty to point out the lack of irony whenever it comes up though, so there it is. It would not be ironic if I died lonely and alone.
 
2012-10-09 12:16:42 AM  

spidermilk: Klippoklondike: tenpoundsofcheese: Klippoklondike: Godscrack: Klippoklondike: Meanwhile Jose Vargas was arrested on a traffic violation

The article is about an Albanian illegal alien, Vern.

Save your Mexican hate for Storm Front.

What? Vargas isn't Mexican, he's Filipino and I am on his side

His side? You are pro people being in this country illegally?

He brings up a lot of good points on immigration policy. If you haven't you should check out some of his articles about it. It's not so cut and dry as brown people jumping a fence. I don't like people breaking the law either, but it's hard to like the way our immigration policy is right now. The only way to change it is to call it out and point out its flaws, which he is doing.

This. If you have ever known someone who was trying to legally immigrate then you would understand why people might come here illegally.

I know a girl who has lived her since high school and just graduated from college. Because she is French instead of brown and speaks perfect English she made it through several years of being an illegal immigrant while the naturalization process FINALLY was completed (it isn't like you can just sign up and be stamped as a citizen that day) and now she is a citizen. This is a chick who went to school, worked to pay for it, and found time to volunteer- if people like that want to be in our country we should let them.

I know two guys with engineering degrees who my company hired to work for them. It was nearly impossible for them to move here legally with the extreme restrictions we have in place to keep out 'illegals'- can't get a car, can't get a loan or any type of credit (can't buy a home), can't get a driver's license.

If someone wants to come live here and tries to do all the right things but doesn't have 5 years to wait and hope and pray they get chosen and approved and they come here illegally- it is against our laws but I don't think it is morally wrong. What is morally wrong is deporting ...


So, she went from being completely illegal to a citizen? Are you sure there wasn't a green card somewhere in that process? I know of no way for one to go from illegal to American in one step.
 
2012-10-09 12:20:14 AM  

ThrobblefootSpectre: jigger: 2words1finger: That's because city, county, and state LEOs do not have the authority to enforce immigration policy, regardless of how much Arizona would like them to. In other words, it ain't their farking job to round up all the Mexis.

What federal law prevents this? I don't know. I'm asking, because it isn't the constitution.

There is no federal law that prevents it. There are, in fact, federal laws that explicitly and unambiguously allow it. See above post about Arizona vs the United States. 2words1finger is just wrong.


It's a jurisdictional issue. States don't have jurisdiction over federal issues. Immigration is handled completely at the federal level.
 
2012-10-09 12:23:51 AM  

EmmaLou: It's a jurisdictional issue. States don't have jurisdiction over federal issues. Immigration is handled completely at the federal level


No. See my post just above that one. This debate was put to rest 6 months ago.
 
2012-10-09 12:26:13 AM  

EmmaLou: Smackledorfer: EmmaLou: So, if he was having problems in his home country and made it here, why didn't he ask for asylum? If he did ask for asylum, was it denied? Why was it denied? Was there no credible fear found? During his removal hearing, did he show up? If not, why? Did he have an attorney?

Credible fear mostly only applies if the government of a foreign country is going to torture, persecution, etc.

Otherwise all of Mexico would be granted asylum from the cartels.

He said that his personal safety was at stake.

I'm sure people are claiming asylum now, based on the cartels in Mexico. Because of the extreme backlog in immigration courts, those cases just haven't made their way completely through the system.


If an alien claims asylum the deportation/removal proceedings cease and they are held pending an interview with an asylum officer. But no, "The cartel will get me" is not a valid claim of asylum.
 
2012-10-09 12:36:09 AM  

ThrobblefootSpectre: EmmaLou: It's a jurisdictional issue. States don't have jurisdiction over federal issues. Immigration is handled completely at the federal level

No. See my post just above that one. This debate was put to rest 6 months ago.


Conjunction junction, what's your function?
 
2012-10-09 12:40:10 AM  

ThrobblefootSpectre: EmmaLou: It's a jurisdictional issue. States don't have jurisdiction over federal issues. Immigration is handled completely at the federal level

No. See my post just above that one. This debate was put to rest 6 months ago.


"To the extent permitted by relevant State and local law, State and local law enforcement
officials are authorized to arrest and detain an individual who-(1) is an alien illegally
present in the United States; and (2) has previously been convicted of a felony in the United
States and deported or left the United States after such conviction
"

Local authorities can arrest an illegal immigrant who has been previously convicted and deported, but not some random illegal immigrant standing in front of Home Depot.
 
2012-10-09 12:43:54 AM  

the ha ha guy: ThrobblefootSpectre: EmmaLou: It's a jurisdictional issue. States don't have jurisdiction over federal issues. Immigration is handled completely at the federal level

No. See my post just above that one. This debate was put to rest 6 months ago.

"To the extent permitted by relevant State and local law, State and local law enforcement
officials are authorized to arrest and detain an individual who-(1) is an alien illegally
present in the United States; and (2) has previously been convicted of a felony in the United
States and deported or left the United States after such conviction"

Local authorities can arrest an illegal immigrant who has been previously convicted and deported, but not some random illegal immigrant standing in front of Home Depot.


All that law was, as suggested by the name, was a way to put a blanket detainer on pieces of shiat caught up in the system. I don't know why throbble presenting it as anything else.
 
2012-10-09 12:44:03 AM  

the ha ha guy: Local authorities can arrest an illegal immigrant who has been previously convicted and deported, but not some random illegal immigrant standing in front of Home Depot.


Correct, as per Arizona s.b. 1070, police can only question a person about legal residency status if that person was already detained for some other infraction (other than residency status). They cannot randomly ask people off the street for no reason.
 
2012-10-09 12:44:06 AM  

ThrobblefootSpectre: jigger: 2words1finger: That's because city, county, and state LEOs do not have the authority to enforce immigration policy, regardless of how much Arizona would like them to. In other words, it ain't their farking job to round up all the Mexis.

What federal law prevents this? I don't know. I'm asking, because it isn't the constitution.

There is no federal law that prevents it. There are, in fact, federal laws that explicitly and unambiguously allow it. See above post about Arizona vs the United States. 2words1finger is just wrong.


Let's break it down & show the folks out there in FARKland just how much of a dumbass you are, shall we?

"To the extent permitted by relevant State and local law,..."

Well that's an operative statement if I've ever seen one. So the basis of everything that follows is relevant state and local laws, and since most state and local laws have absolutely nothing do with immigration (because as mentioned before, that is under the purview of federal authorities), we could just stop right there. We won't though, because this is just too damn much fun! Moving on...

"...State and local law enforcement officials are authorized to arrest and detain an individual who-(1) is an alien illegally present in the United States; AND (2) has previously been convicted of a felony in the United States AND deported or left the United States after such conviction..."

I'm smelling a whole lot of "AND" coming off this plan. All these conditions that have to be met, good lord who can keep up with all that?

"...BUT only after the State or local law enforcement officials obtain appropriate confirmation from the Immigration and Naturalization Service of the status of such individual..."

I knew it! I knew there had to be a big BUTT in there somewhere... baby got back! (yeah I know it's a different "but", just work with me here). So this says that state and local po-po can arrest someone ONLY after they get confirmation of that individual's immigration status from INS (which could take days-to-weeks, usually longer than the standard 72-hour period that law enforcement can detain someone without formally charging them) AND only if that individual has been previously convicted of a felony.

Section 493 of the AEDPA'96 is little more than legal filler designed to make it sound like it has teeth when in fact it is as gummy as my 98-year-old granny. Here's a protip for ya ThrobblefootSpectre, don't go citing laws that you don't understand, it just makes you look like an idiot.
 
2012-10-09 12:54:15 AM  

2words1finger: Section 493 of the AEDPA'96 is little more than legal filler designed to make it sound like it has teeth when in fact it is as gummy as my 98-year-old granny. Here's a protip for ya ThrobblefootSpectre, don't go citing laws that you don't understand, it just makes you look like an idiot.


Tell the U.S. supreme court.

I don't know what else to say. I cite federal law, giving the law name, date passed and relevant text. You give a rant of personal insults, and opinions without citations. And quite frankly, I maintain that your opinions on the subject are factually wrong. I don't mean any offence by that. I understand you are getting upset over this. I'm simply stating fact.
 
2012-10-09 12:55:27 AM  
Wait, wouldn't he technically be a refugee? In Terminal, didn't they say that you can be granted asylum as long as you say that you're afraid to return to your home country?
 
2012-10-09 12:56:58 AM  

TheDumbBlonde: Dude should get Obama's relatives' attorneys. They have this shuffle down.


I'm really hoping you're joking. Because birtherism isn't funny and is just plain stupid.
 
2012-10-09 12:57:28 AM  

ThrobblefootSpectre: 2words1finger: Section 493 of the AEDPA'96 is little more than legal filler designed to make it sound like it has teeth when in fact it is as gummy as my 98-year-old granny. Here's a protip for ya ThrobblefootSpectre, don't go citing laws that you don't understand, it just makes you look like an idiot.

Tell the U.S. supreme court.

I don't know what else to say. I cite federal law, giving the law name, date passed and relevant text. You give a rant of personal insults, and opinions without citations. And quite frankly, I maintain that your opinions on the subject are factually wrong. I don't mean any offence by that. I understand you are getting upset over this. I'm simply stating fact.


I don't know if you are stupid enough that you are being honest, or such a stupid troll that you think anyone buys your argument.
 
2012-10-09 01:02:28 AM  

colithian: Wait, wouldn't he technically be a refugee? In Terminal, didn't they say that you can be granted asylum as long as you say that you're afraid to return to your home country?


Asked and answered in thread. Also refugee status is granted by the executive branch for disaster victims. Asylum is different.
 
2012-10-09 01:06:10 AM  

Smackledorfer: I don't know if you are stupid enough that you are being honest, or such a stupid troll that you think anyone buys your argument.


I simply pointed out what federal law says on the subject. If you have some citations otherwise please do post them. And leave out the childish insults next time. :)
 
2012-10-09 01:08:42 AM  

ThrobblefootSpectre: Smackledorfer: I don't know if you are stupid enough that you are being honest, or such a stupid troll that you think anyone buys your argument.

I simply pointed out what federal law says on the subject. If you have some citations otherwise please do post them. And leave out the childish insults next time. :)


You pasted something you didn't read and still don't understand.
 
2012-10-09 01:11:55 AM  

ZeroPly: Aarontology: If you're losing a job to a moron like this, you're your to motherf*cking stupid to be employed.

Pet peeve...


The only way to save my sanity from this post is to assume that you are a brilliant troll.

/good work
 
2012-10-09 01:15:05 AM  

ThrobblefootSpectre: 2words1finger: Section 493 of the AEDPA'96 is little more than legal filler designed to make it sound like it has teeth when in fact it is as gummy as my 98-year-old granny. Here's a protip for ya ThrobblefootSpectre, don't go citing laws that you don't understand, it just makes you look like an idiot.

Tell the U.S. supreme court.

I don't know what else to say. I cite federal law, giving the law name, date passed and relevant text. You give a rant of personal insults, and opinions without citations. And quite frankly, I maintain that your opinions on the subject are factually wrong. I don't mean any offence by that. I understand you are getting upset over this. I'm simply stating fact.


I think I did a pretty good job of explaining - in a HILARIOUS way, BTW - how the law you cited is irrelevant to the discussion you butted into. Yes SCOTUS cited it for the Arizona thing, but that was because Arizona enacted a RELEVANT state law, which is what is called for in the section of the AEDPA that you cited.

I seriously don't know how to explain it any simpler without resorting to pictures and hand gestures, so I'm gonna assume that you either just don't know when to stop or that you're trying to use that rarely-seen "passive and polite" trolling tactic. Eiter way, I'm going to ignore you now. Good day sir.

/I SAID GOOD DAY!
 
2012-10-09 01:18:18 AM  

Tony_Pepperoni: ZeroPly: Aarontology: If you're losing a job to a moron like this, you're your toyou are too yer two motherf*cking stupid to be employed.


Pet peeve... 

ftfy
 
2012-10-09 01:26:47 AM  

CygnusDarius: Just Another OC Homeless Guy: you are a puppet: "neo-national socialist"? lol

Or neo-Nazi. See, "nazi" is shorthand for "national socialist." The formal name if uncle Adolph's merry band of sociopaths was the "National Socialist German Workers' Party." Link

Which hated communists and socialists, even to the point of backstabbing the Reds.


Mmmm... yes... much like the several border hostilities between the Soviets and the PRC, and the short undeclared war between the PRC and North Vietnam (where, btw, the NVA cleaned the PLA clock).

National Socialism and Soviet Socialism had, in the popular mythology, some major differences.

The Nazis were nationalistic and racist and the Soviets were not. (Except the Soviets, before, during and after WWII, appealed to rabid patriotism and found time and reason beat the antisemitism drum, Not so different, but not widely reported in the west for many years.)

The Nazis were backed by private property industrialists and outlawed unions, and the Soviets were a Worker's Paradise where the People (the State) owned the means of production. (Except the Nazis placed political overseers in all workplaces who vetted all decisions of the "ownership" and the Soviet "worker's unions were simply lapdogs to the Party apparatus and did whatever the State told them to do. Again, not widely known.)

There was also one huge similarity: both were totalitarian dictatorships where a few sociopaths in political power ruled the general population with an iron fist. Both hated and feared the individual. They were a lot closer to each other, philosophically, than either were to the western semi-free-enterprise democracies.

I think a good analogy would be religion -vs- atheism. Christianity and Islam - supposedly mortal enemies - are a lot closer to each other than either is to atheism.

Anyone telling you different is trying to get you either into the frying pan oi the fire.
 
2012-10-09 01:39:02 AM  

Just Another OC Homeless Guy: CygnusDarius: Just Another OC Homeless Guy: you are a puppet: "neo-national socialist"? lol

Or neo-Nazi. See, "nazi" is shorthand for "national socialist." The formal name if uncle Adolph's merry band of sociopaths was the "National Socialist German Workers' Party." Link

Which hated communists and socialists, even to the point of backstabbing the Reds.

Mmmm... yes... much like the several border hostilities between the Soviets and the PRC, and the short undeclared war between the PRC and North Vietnam (where, btw, the NVA cleaned the PLA clock).

National Socialism and Soviet Socialism had, in the popular mythology, some major differences.

The Nazis were nationalistic and racist and the Soviets were not. (Except the Soviets, before, during and after WWII, appealed to rabid patriotism and found time and reason beat the antisemitism drum, Not so different, but not widely reported in the west for many years.)

The Nazis were backed by private property industrialists and outlawed unions, and the Soviets were a Worker's Paradise where the People (the State) owned the means of production. (Except the Nazis placed political overseers in all workplaces who vetted all decisions of the "ownership" and the Soviet "worker's unions were simply lapdogs to the Party apparatus and did whatever the State told them to do. Again, not widely known.)

There was also one huge similarity: both were totalitarian dictatorships where a few sociopaths in political power ruled the general population with an iron fist. Both hated and feared the individual. They were a lot closer to each other, philosophically, than either were to the western semi-free-enterprise democracies.

I think a good analogy would be religion -vs- atheism. Christianity and Islam - supposedly mortal enemies - are a lot closer to each other than either is to atheism.

Anyone telling you different is trying to get you either into the frying pan oi the fire.


Extreme beliefs are compareable!
 
2012-10-09 01:40:15 AM  

give me doughnuts: jigger: 2words1finger: That's because city, county, and state LEOs do not have the authority to enforce immigration policy, regardless of how much Arizona would like them to. In other words, it ain't their farking job to round up all the Mexis.

What federal law prevents this? I don't know. I'm asking, because it isn't the constitution.

Immigration policy is a civil matter, not a criminal one. It's outside the purview of state and local law enforcement. It's even a matter that the FBI and other Federal law enforcement agencies don't get involved in unless it is related to additional criminal activity.

Also, immigration is never discussed in the Constitution, so why bring it up?


If it's a civil matter why are there federal cops involved? Why are there arrests and raids? I brought up the constitution, because any power not delegated to the federal government in the constitution is reserved to the states or the people. So if anyone has the power to police immigration, it's the states.
 
2012-10-09 01:42:20 AM  

ricochet4: jigger: 2words1finger: That's because city, county, and state LEOs do not have the authority to enforce immigration policy, regardless of how much Arizona would like them to. In other words, it ain't their farking job to round up all the Mexis.

What federal law prevents this? I don't know. I'm asking, because it isn't the constitution.

regulation of immigration has long been considered an inherent federal power, per the supreme court. under the prevailing view, the states have no role in immigration law but many states' rights advocates believe that a sharing of immigration regulation is a more proper interpretation...this view has not gotten much traction in the courts.


That's really what I was looking for. The courts basically wrote into the constitution a federal power that did not exist.
 
2012-10-09 01:52:42 AM  

2words1finger: So the basis of everything that follows is relevant state and local laws, and since most state and local laws have absolutely nothing do with immigration (because as mentioned before, that is under the purview of federal authorities), we could just stop right there. We won't though, because this is just too damn much fun! Moving on...


They do not have any constitutional authority to police immigration.
 
2012-10-09 01:56:11 AM  

jigger: give me doughnuts: jigger: 2words1finger: That's because city, county, and state LEOs do not have the authority to enforce immigration policy, regardless of how much Arizona would like them to. In other words, it ain't their farking job to round up all the Mexis.

What federal law prevents this? I don't know. I'm asking, because it isn't the constitution.

Immigration policy is a civil matter, not a criminal one. It's outside the purview of state and local law enforcement. It's even a matter that the FBI and other Federal law enforcement agencies don't get involved in unless it is related to additional criminal activity.

Also, immigration is never discussed in the Constitution, so why bring it up?

If it's a civil matter why are there federal cops involved? Why are there arrests and raids? I brought up the constitution, because any power not delegated to the federal government in the constitution is reserved to the states or the people. So if anyone has the power to police immigration, it's the states.


This post is ridiculous.

First, speeding is a civil matter enforved by cops (immigration has both civil and criminal penalties,fwiw) so your logic is flawed.

Second your constitution comment is at 'oh wait you're serious let me laugh even harder' levels.
 
2012-10-09 02:01:21 AM  
I'll give you a hint..congress passes all sorts of laws not specifically mentioned in the constitution. However, the document gives them the power TO pass laws. Crazy I know, that the founders expected the nation to pass laws.
 
2012-10-09 02:15:54 AM  

jigger: 2words1finger: So the basis of everything that follows is relevant state and local laws, and since most state and local laws have absolutely nothing do with immigration (because as mentioned before, that is under the purview of federal authorities), we could just stop right there. We won't though, because this is just too damn much fun! Moving on...

They do not have any constitutional authority to police immigration.


It has been my experience that the folks who bring up the constitution the most are generally the ones who understand it the least.

That is all.
 
2012-10-09 02:16:04 AM  

Smackledorfer: EmmaLou: Smackledorfer: EmmaLou: So, if he was having problems in his home country and made it here, why didn't he ask for asylum? If he did ask for asylum, was it denied? Why was it denied? Was there no credible fear found? During his removal hearing, did he show up? If not, why? Did he have an attorney?

Credible fear mostly only applies if the government of a foreign country is going to torture, persecution, etc.

Otherwise all of Mexico would be granted asylum from the cartels.

He said that his personal safety was at stake.

I'm sure people are claiming asylum now, based on the cartels in Mexico. Because of the extreme backlog in immigration courts, those cases just haven't made their way completely through the system.

If an alien claims asylum the deportation/removal proceedings cease and they are held pending an interview with an asylum officer. But no, "The cartel will get me" is not a valid claim of asylum.


I never said it was a winner. But immigrants will throw anything at the wall and hope something sticks. Officers have a lot of discretion in asylum land.

I do admit my professional expertise is employment based immigration.
 
2012-10-09 02:17:35 AM  

Smackledorfer: This post is ridiculous.

First, speeding is a civil matter enforved by cops (immigration has both civil and criminal penalties,fwiw) so your logic is flawed.

Second your constitution comment is at 'oh wait you're serious let me laugh even harder' levels.


They call it a civil matter to get around your right to a jury, but it very much quacks like a criminal matter. They aren't suing you. They're fining you and then jailing you if you don't pay the fine. What other civil suit works like that? None. It's a criminal case that they call a "civil" case to deny you your right to a jury.

And show me where in the constitution the federal government is authorized to police immigration. They aren't. It's not there. And the 10th amendment means that if it's not there, they aren't authorized to do it. At best you could make a convoluted argument based on the prohibition of Congress to limit "The Migration or Importation of such Persons as any of the States now existing shall think proper to admit" prior to 1808. But nothing mentions the power of Congress to limit migration in the first place.
 
2012-10-09 02:18:35 AM  

2words1finger: jigger: 2words1finger: So the basis of everything that follows is relevant state and local laws, and since most state and local laws have absolutely nothing do with immigration (because as mentioned before, that is under the purview of federal authorities), we could just stop right there. We won't though, because this is just too damn much fun! Moving on...

They do not have any constitutional authority to police immigration.

It has been my experience that the folks who bring up the constitution the most are generally the ones who understand it the least.

That is all.


Show me how much you understand it.
 
2012-10-09 02:22:23 AM  
My two cents about local LE getting involved in immigration matters us that immigration consists of a complicated code with a lot of loopholes. They don't have access to the information a federal officer does and cannot possibly know ones immigration status based on the person not having their documents on their person. Sometimes there are no documents bc CIS is still working the case...the immigrant is still legal in some of those cases.
 
2012-10-09 02:24:30 AM  

jigger: Smackledorfer: This post is ridiculous.

First, speeding is a civil matter enforved by cops (immigration has both civil and criminal penalties,fwiw) so your logic is flawed.

Second your constitution comment is at 'oh wait you're serious let me laugh even harder' levels.

They call it a civil matter to get around your right to a jury, but it very much quacks like a criminal matter. They aren't suing you. They're fining you and then jailing you if you don't pay the fine. What other civil suit works like that? None. It's a criminal case that they call a "civil" case to deny you your right to a jury.

And show me where in the constitution the federal government is authorized to police immigration. They aren't. It's not there. And the 10th amendment means that if it's not there, they aren't authorized to do it. At best you could make a convoluted argument based on the prohibition of Congress to limit "The Migration or Importation of such Persons as any of the States now existing shall think proper to admit" prior to 1808. But nothing mentions the power of Congress to limit migration in the first place.


'speeding tickets aren't a civil matter because they aren't suing people'....wow. I'm speechless.
 
2012-10-09 02:28:03 AM  

Smackledorfer: 'speeding tickets aren't a civil matter because they aren't suing people'....wow. I'm speechless.


The only reason "civil offenses" were created was to punish you without due process involving your right to a jury trial.
 
2012-10-09 02:28:19 AM  

EmmaLou: My two cents about local LE getting involved in immigration matters us that immigration consists of a complicated code with a lot of loopholes. They don't have access to the information a federal officer does and cannot possibly know ones immigration status based on the person not having their documents on their person. Sometimes there are no documents bc CIS is still working the case...the immigrant is still legal in some of those cases.


A lot of times the feds don't even have the info in their system when it is lagging behind by months, resulting in, for example, an H1b holder appearing out of status in between renewing the visa. Now legally he has to carry the documentation on him, but that is only a 50 dollar fine and the paperwork is often viewed as too valuable to carry around.
 
2012-10-09 02:29:43 AM  

jigger: And show me where in the constitution the federal government is authorized to police immigration.

Article I, section 8, clause 4:The Congress shall have Power...To establish an uniform Rule of Naturalization, and uniform Laws on the subject of Bankruptcies throughout the United States;...


This allows the U.S. Congress to create rules about citizenship; what it is, how to obtain it, etc. Part of creating a rule of anything is the penalties for violating those rules. So, Article I, Section 8, Clause 4 is where the Constitution authorizes the Federal Government to police immigration, since that's where they are allowed to police citizenship.
 
2012-10-09 02:29:48 AM  

jigger: Smackledorfer: 'speeding tickets aren't a civil matter because they aren't suing people'....wow. I'm speechless.

The only reason "civil offenses" were created was to punish you without due process involving your right to a jury trial.


You should go call a sovereign citizen. They might actually give two shiats about your crazy interpretations of the constitution and legal system.
 
2012-10-09 02:31:17 AM  

eldritch2k4: jigger: And show me where in the constitution the federal government is authorized to police immigration.

Article I, section 8, clause 4:The Congress shall have Power...To establish an uniform Rule of Naturalization, and uniform Laws on the subject of Bankruptcies throughout the United States;...

This allows the U.S. Congress to create rules about citizenship; what it is, how to obtain it, etc. Part of creating a rule of anything is the penalties for violating those rules. So, Article I, Section 8, Clause 4 is where the Constitution authorizes the Federal Government to police immigration, since that's where they are allowed to police citizenship.


Citizenship is not immigration. Try again.
 
2012-10-09 02:32:08 AM  

jigger: Smackledorfer: 'speeding tickets aren't a civil matter because they aren't suing people'....wow. I'm speechless.

The only reason "civil offenses" were created was to punish you without due process involving your right to a jury trial.


You can request a jury trial in traffic court. I have watched a man request and receive a move from the District Court of MD to the Circuit Court.
 
2012-10-09 02:36:27 AM  

Smackledorfer: jigger: Smackledorfer: 'speeding tickets aren't a civil matter because they aren't suing people'....wow. I'm speechless.

The only reason "civil offenses" were created was to punish you without due process involving your right to a jury trial.

You should go call a sovereign citizen. They might actually give two shiats about your crazy interpretations of the constitution and legal system.


All right. Maybe you can explain it to me.

A "civil offense" usually means that you defied the orders of a judge in a civil case. When there are statutes that prohibit certain behavior and you are caught engaging in that behavior by police and then issued a punishment, that's a criminal case.

Tell me where I'm wrong, law professor.
 
2012-10-09 02:37:58 AM  

eldritch2k4: jigger: Smackledorfer: 'speeding tickets aren't a civil matter because they aren't suing people'....wow. I'm speechless.

The only reason "civil offenses" were created was to punish you without due process involving your right to a jury trial.

You can request a jury trial in traffic court. I have watched a man request and receive a move from the District Court of MD to the Circuit Court.


Many jurisdictions will deny you a jury telling you that it is a civil matter and you are not entitled to a jury trial in a civil matter. Some jurisdictions (very few) realize that this is unjust.
 
2012-10-09 02:44:57 AM  

jigger: eldritch2k4: jigger: And show me where in the constitution the federal government is authorized to police immigration.

Article I, section 8, clause 4:The Congress shall have Power...To establish an uniform Rule of Naturalization, and uniform Laws on the subject of Bankruptcies throughout the United States;...

This allows the U.S. Congress to create rules about citizenship; what it is, how to obtain it, etc. Part of creating a rule of anything is the penalties for violating those rules. So, Article I, Section 8, Clause 4 is where the Constitution authorizes the Federal Government to police immigration, since that's where they are allowed to police citizenship.

Citizenship is not immigration. Try again.


Really? That's really what you are going to trot out? Let me explain this to you:

A1, S8, C4 allows Congress to establish a "uniform Rule of Naturalization". "Naturalization" is defined here as the acquisition of citizenship and nationality by somebody who was not a citizen of that country at the time of birth. Can you guess what step one of that process is? Coming to the country. Do you know what immigration is? It is "the action of coming to live permanently in a foreign country." Immigration is a subsection of Naturalization.

I've answered your question. Let me know if you need help moving the goal posts later.
 
2012-10-09 02:46:42 AM  

EmmaLou: My two cents about local LE getting involved in immigration matters us that immigration consists of a complicated code with a lot of loopholes. They don't have access to the information a federal officer does and cannot possibly know ones immigration status based on the person not having their documents on their person. Sometimes there are no documents bc CIS is still working the case...the immigrant is still legal in some of those cases.


That's why state law enforcement has to ask the federal INS about immigration status of any individual. You are correct that state agents do NOT decide if someone is here legally or not. They simply have the power to investigate whether or not you are here legally (by asking the INS), IF a suspect has been detained for any other reason.

In other words, state agents do not make the criteria about what constitutes being here legally. They simply use the criteria set forth by federal law when investigating a suspect.
 
2012-10-09 05:13:58 AM  
Heh.
 
2012-10-09 06:25:22 AM  
In other countries, the authorities come and lock you up if you overstay by even a day.

Here, you have to flaunt your status in a film to get ICE to pay attention.

Either enforce our immigration laws, or declare our borders completely open and let in everyone who wants to be here. Our current system is a joke.
 
2012-10-09 07:49:23 AM  
FTFA: "I thought it was moving," Percy said of his story. "People always have an image of illegal immigration," he said. "He's a very determined, very hardworking, very good long fellow. Let's take this one face ... and perhaps give people a different attitude when they think of immigration.""


Mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmnope.... still illegal.

Unless your name is Martin Luther King, you don't achieve martyrdom for breaking the laws to suit yourself.

Not yours.
 
2012-10-09 08:31:59 AM  
This is funny in a Darwin Awards kind of way. No death obviously, but funny.

Proper enforcement of immigration laws is all I ask. Illegal immigration is illegal, it nothing to do with skin-color. I would say the same thing 150 years ago about the Irish and Germans.
 
2012-10-09 08:53:10 AM  
Until you marry a "foreigner" and have to jump through all of those VERY expensive and tedious immigration hoops yourself, just please shut up about illegal immigration. You have no clue how farked up it is to take the legal path.
 
2012-10-09 09:07:40 AM  

bilgemaster: Until you marry a "foreigner" and have to jump through all of those VERY expensive and tedious immigration hoops yourself, just please shut up about illegal immigration. You have no clue how farked up it is to take the legal path.


WHHHAAAAAAA its too hard to do it legally!!!! Its too hard to get a job legally so let me rob a bank or 2!!!
 
2012-10-09 09:25:10 AM  
I have a question. I'm an American citizen by birth. I'm riding on a train minding my own business and at some point officers of Homeland Security, ICE, or whatever they're calling themselves these days board the train and start asking for ID do I have to comply?
 
2012-10-09 09:28:36 AM  
As a LEGAL alien who had to paid out my ass for the documentation and filing, I say fark HIM.

Follow the law or get the fark out. :P
 
2012-10-09 10:51:46 AM  

dervish16108: In other countries, the authorities come and lock you up if you overstay by even a day.

Here, you have to flaunt your status in a film to get ICE to pay attention.

Either enforce our immigration laws, or declare our borders completely open and let in everyone who wants to be here. Our current system is a joke.


We are very big, fairly non-authoritarian when it comes to tracking the lives of our people, and a melting pot.

It isn't the same as a tiny ethnically unified country doing it.

Not that we couldn't do better, but it would cost a ton to lock the borders and track all the legal aliens in order to do what you ask.
 
2012-10-09 10:53:06 AM  

bilgemaster: Until you marry a "foreigner" and have to jump through all of those VERY expensive and tedious immigration hoops yourself, just please shut up about illegal immigration. You have no clue how farked up it is to take the legal path.



So what you're saying is that just because it's a little inconvenient for you to do something we should have no expectation everyone should follow the law?

This, my friends, should be what everyone who is a legal immigrant should remember. Millions of people who were too lazy and impatient to start a new life in a new country legally should be rewarded, according to someone who whines about filling out some forms and waiting for a few meetings.

In another story this morning a scumbag cop preyed upon illegal immigrants and raped them, counting on the likelihood they wouldn't talk. They did in this case and the jerk went to jail, which is great. How many times does this sort of thing, or underpaying employees, or abusing their housing rights by letting slumlords ignore them, go on we don't hear about? Is this what people want in the long run--a subclass of victims who have a very difficult time receiving a fair shake? Current emotions and whining about letting all the illegals stay misses the larger point of closing the door to enable a stronger society. The process should have been enforced for the last 30+ years, since the Mariel boatlift. We had amnesty then and a warning to do it right, so we should reward everyone who ignored the warnings?
 
2012-10-09 11:02:00 AM  

Moose23: I have a question. I'm an American citizen by birth. I'm riding on a train minding my own business and at some point officers of Homeland Security, ICE, or whatever they're calling themselves these days board the train and start asking for ID do I have to comply?


Afaik, cbp (ice, customs, and border patrol) stopped doing transportation checks (that is busses, trains, etc. Checkpoints are a different animal entirely) without actionable intelligence.

Before it would have beem a consensual encounter where you could legally ignore them, call them pig, whatever.
If they do it now then they have cause (legal. Not necessarily cause in your opinion) to be doing it. I would suggest going along with their investigative detention in this case. You wouldn't get charged for farking with them (provided they aren't dirty, and feds tend to have more oversight and penalties for farking around than city cops) but prepare for a much longer detainment while they prove to themselves you are innocent. It behooves you to help them along.

Note: no law enforcement is required to put their cards on the table when detaining people. You can sue them later and force them to reveal their articulable facts, but in the field they have authority to keep them secret.
 
2012-10-09 12:47:53 PM  
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Radu?
 
2012-10-09 01:41:49 PM  
Oh, c'mon, they're not "illegal" - they've just broken the law!
 
2012-10-09 01:54:57 PM  

jigger: 2words1finger: jigger: 2words1finger: So the basis of everything that follows is relevant state and local laws, and since most state and local laws have absolutely nothing do with immigration (because as mentioned before, that is under the purview of federal authorities), we could just stop right there. We won't though, because this is just too damn much fun! Moving on...

They do not have any constitutional authority to police immigration.

It has been my experience that the folks who bring up the constitution the most are generally the ones who understand it the least.

That is all.

Show me how much you understand it.


Sorry but I have neither the time nor the inclination to provide to the thread a point-by-point breakdown demonstrating exactly how little you actually understand the document you keep prattling on about. I have far more important things to do with my time. Besides, you've done a pretty good job of that yourself. You are a dilettante, but if you wish to continue demonstrating your ignorance to the thread, feel free.
 
2012-10-09 02:35:04 PM  

Smackledorfer: Moose23: I have a question. I'm an American citizen by birth. I'm riding on a train minding my own business and at some point officers of Homeland Security, ICE, or whatever they're calling themselves these days board the train and start asking for ID do I have to comply?

Afaik, cbp (ice, customs, and border patrol) stopped doing transportation checks (that is busses, trains, etc. Checkpoints are a different animal entirely) without actionable intelligence.

Before it would have beem a consensual encounter where you could legally ignore them, call them pig, whatever.
If they do it now then they have cause (legal. Not necessarily cause in your opinion) to be doing it. I would suggest going along with their investigative detention in this case. You wouldn't get charged for farking with them (provided they aren't dirty, and feds tend to have more oversight and penalties for farking around than city cops) but prepare for a much longer detainment while they prove to themselves you are innocent. It behooves you to help them along.

Note: no law enforcement is required to put their cards on the table when detaining people. You can sue them later and force them to reveal their articulable facts, but in the field they have authority to keep them secret.


Aaah, but isn't this the type of thing we don't want?? "Citizen...your papers..bitte!"
 
2012-10-09 03:59:10 PM  

Moose23: Smackledorfer: Moose23: I have a question. I'm an American citizen by birth. I'm riding on a train minding my own business and at some point officers of Homeland Security, ICE, or whatever they're calling themselves these days board the train and start asking for ID do I have to comply?

Afaik, cbp (ice, customs, and border patrol) stopped doing transportation checks (that is busses, trains, etc. Checkpoints are a different animal entirely) without actionable intelligence.

Before it would have beem a consensual encounter where you could legally ignore them, call them pig, whatever.
If they do it now then they have cause (legal. Not necessarily cause in your opinion) to be doing it. I would suggest going along with their investigative detention in this case. You wouldn't get charged for farking with them (provided they aren't dirty, and feds tend to have more oversight and penalties for farking around than city cops) but prepare for a much longer detainment while they prove to themselves you are innocent. It behooves you to help them along.

Note: no law enforcement is required to put their cards on the table when detaining people. You can sue them later and force them to reveal their articulable facts, but in the field they have authority to keep them secret.

Aaah, but isn't this the type of thing we don't want?? "Citizen...your papers..bitte!"


You asked a question and I told you how things are. You can go play the 'all law enforcement is nazism' game with someone else. It doesn't help to use that kind of hyperbole for one, and two, me telling how the law works shouldn't be confused with me advocating that that is how the legal system ought to work.
 
2012-10-09 05:38:47 PM  

Moose23: Smackledorfer: Moose23: I have a question. I'm an American citizen by birth. I'm riding on a train minding my own business and at some point officers of Homeland Security, ICE, or whatever they're calling themselves these days board the train and start asking for ID do I have to comply?

Afaik, cbp (ice, customs, and border patrol) stopped doing transportation checks (that is busses, trains, etc. Checkpoints are a different animal entirely) without actionable intelligence.

Before it would have beem a consensual encounter where you could legally ignore them, call them pig, whatever.
If they do it now then they have cause (legal. Not necessarily cause in your opinion) to be doing it. I would suggest going along with their investigative detention in this case. You wouldn't get charged for farking with them (provided they aren't dirty, and feds tend to have more oversight and penalties for farking around than city cops) but prepare for a much longer detainment while they prove to themselves you are innocent. It behooves you to help them along.

Note: no law enforcement is required to put their cards on the table when detaining people. You can sue them later and force them to reveal their articulable facts, but in the field they have authority to keep them secret.

Aaah, but isn't this the type of thing we don't want?? "Citizen...your papers..bitte!"


Actually no, not at all, but that's a nice try at Godwining. Y'see, the Nazis could approach anyone and demand to see their "papers" without cause. If the Wehrmacht officer riding in the train car with you simply didn't like your hat, they could harass you, interrogate you, arrest you and/or smack you around just for the hell of it and there wasn't a thing you could do about it, either in the moment or through administrative means in the future. As Smackledorfer quite clearly pointed out, police here have to have legal cause to ask for your ID (which BTW is not really the same thing as the "papers" that are so often referenced by folks who try to compare every function of law enforcement with fascism), and you always have the option of obtaining legal representation and bringing suit against the police department if it turns out that there was no legally justifiable cause to interact with you in a official capacity.

I hope this clears things up. If it doesn't, then you're either hopelessly ignorant or are one of those douchebags who prattle on about how "the only good cop is a dead cop" ala Henry Rollins circa 1985-99.
 
2012-10-09 06:35:55 PM  

bilgemaster: Until you marry a "foreigner" and have to jump through all of those VERY expensive and tedious immigration hoops yourself, just please shut up about illegal immigration. You have no clue how farked up it is to take the legal path.


It is farked up that people that really did jump through all the hoops have to take a back seat for people that didn't give one shiat about doing things the legal way.
 
2012-10-09 06:43:29 PM  

dervish16108: In other countries, the authorities come and lock you up if you overstay by even a day.


What a bunch of nonsense, I overstayed a visa in Italy by twenty days and they did not come and lock me up.
 
2012-10-09 06:54:20 PM  

This text is now purple: Benjimin_Dover: Correct. City, county, and state LEO's don't have the authority to enforce immigration policy but they do have the authority to enforce laws.

There's a narrow exception.

Article I Section 10 gives to the states the right to resist an invasion in the face of a derelict federal government.

It's an extreme option, but if a state declared that illegal immigrants represented an invading army, they could legally declare martial law and simply shoot them.


It would appear that Smackledorfer is correct about the unilateral part but the below linked paper from Duke University School of Law indicates that many federal laws have it built into them a granting of enforcement powers to states.

http://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=1685458

I think the interpretation of illegals crossing the border as an invading army would be stretching things quite a bit and would not stand scrutiny in a court.
 
2012-10-09 08:22:17 PM  

brantgoose: The money that foreign workers send home to their family is called remittances.


Thanks for bringing it up. We need to prevent remittances from happening. All it does is send money out of the USA, removed from the economic cycle, never to be seen again. As you said, its quite a large amount. We need a to shut that down.
 
2012-10-09 08:33:55 PM  

LemSkroob: brantgoose: The money that foreign workers send home to their family is called remittances.

Thanks for bringing it up. We need to prevent remittances from happening. All it does is send money out of the USA, removed from the economic cycle, never to be seen again. As you said, its quite a large amount. We need a to shut that down.


The money disappears, never to be seen again?
Morbo would have have something to tell you about money.
 
2012-10-10 06:58:45 AM  

proteus_b: dervish16108: In other countries, the authorities come and lock you up if you overstay by even a day.

What a bunch of nonsense, I overstayed a visa in Italy by twenty days and they did not come and lock me up.


I knew people who went to India and Austria who were locked up fairly quickly after their visas expired, and they were both from developed countries.
 
2012-10-10 07:00:13 AM  

Smackledorfer: Not that we couldn't do better, but it would cost a ton to lock the borders and track all the legal aliens in order to do what you ask.


For starters, they could track people who overstayed their visiting visas. A lot of illegal aliens come here by plane, not by crossing the border through Mexico.
 
2012-10-10 08:20:42 AM  

Smackledorfer: We are very big, fairly non-authoritarian when it comes to tracking the lives of our people, and a melting pot.


How does Patriot Act snooping of American's lives without a warrant, NSA's massive database of American citizens, putting air travelers through backscatter x-rays, or mandatory genital grabbing figure into your statement?

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2012-10-10 10:33:00 AM  

dervish16108: Smackledorfer: We are very big, fairly non-authoritarian when it comes to tracking the lives of our people, and a melting pot.

How does Patriot Act snooping of American's lives without a warrant, NSA's massive database of American citizens, putting air travelers through backscatter x-rays, or mandatory genital grabbing figure into your statement?


You want full on tracking of all aliens, deny how much it would cost to do that and secure the borders, but hate all those things (which cost billions and don't even come close to the level of authoritarian oversight you are calling for)?

Are you for real?
 
2012-10-10 11:29:36 AM  

Smackledorfer: dervish16108: Smackledorfer: We are very big, fairly non-authoritarian when it comes to tracking the lives of our people, and a melting pot.

How does Patriot Act snooping of American's lives without a warrant, NSA's massive database of American citizens, putting air travelers through backscatter x-rays, or mandatory genital grabbing figure into your statement?

You want full on tracking of all aliens, deny how much it would cost to do that and secure the borders, but hate all those things (which cost billions and don't even come close to the level of authoritarian oversight you are calling for)?

Are you for real?


First of all, you sidestepped my calling out of you contradicting yourself. Second, we're already tracking many more Americans than we are illegal immigrants. The groundwork is already there. Third, why do you care more about the implications of being authoritative and tracking people for illegal immigrants more than you do for Americans?
 
2012-10-10 12:32:52 PM  

dervish16108: Smackledorfer: dervish16108: Smackledorfer: We are very big, fairly non-authoritarian when it comes to tracking the lives of our people, and a melting pot.

How does Patriot Act snooping of American's lives without a warrant, NSA's massive database of American citizens, putting air travelers through backscatter x-rays, or mandatory genital grabbing figure into your statement?

You want full on tracking of all aliens, deny how much it would cost to do that and secure the borders, but hate all those things (which cost billions and don't even come close to the level of authoritarian oversight you are calling for)?

Are you for real?

First of all, you sidestepped my calling out of you contradicting yourself. Second, we're already tracking many more Americans than we are illegal immigrants. The groundwork is already there. Third, why do you care more about the implications of being authoritative and tracking people for illegal immigrants more than you do for Americans?


1. I didn't contradict myself, I merely don't share your view that we live in a heavily authoritarian country. I may be, in your opinion, wrong but that is not the same as contradicting myself.

2. I'd love to see your information and definitions of tracking. The groundwork to track every overstay is not there.

3. Strawman.
 
2012-10-10 12:54:53 PM  

Smackledorfer: dervish16108: Smackledorfer: dervish16108: Smackledorfer: We are very big, fairly non-authoritarian when it comes to tracking the lives of our people, and a melting pot.

How does Patriot Act snooping of American's lives without a warrant, NSA's massive database of American citizens, putting air travelers through backscatter x-rays, or mandatory genital grabbing figure into your statement?

You want full on tracking of all aliens, deny how much it would cost to do that and secure the borders, but hate all those things (which cost billions and don't even come close to the level of authoritarian oversight you are calling for)?

Are you for real?

First of all, you sidestepped my calling out of you contradicting yourself. Second, we're already tracking many more Americans than we are illegal immigrants. The groundwork is already there. Third, why do you care more about the implications of being authoritative and tracking people for illegal immigrants more than you do for Americans?

1. I didn't contradict myself, I merely don't share your view that we live in a heavily authoritarian country. I may be, in your opinion, wrong but that is not the same as contradicting myself.

2. I'd love to see your information and definitions of tracking. The groundwork to track every overstay is not there.

3. Strawman.


1. Can you clarify as to whether or not you believe the Patriot Act, the NSA's tracking of Americans, and the TSA's treatment of air travelers are authoritarian? Because I believe that puts us well over the limit of every other developed country in the world.

2. Do you own research. And I disagree.

3. No more than your previous reply was.
 
2012-10-10 01:52:58 PM  
Did I say, anywhere in this thread, that I liked the patriot act or supported decreasing the protections of the fourth amendment?
Answer: no I did not.

Did you? Yes, by calling for increased spying by our government.

Which is extra stupid since you keep ignoring the dollar cost of what you ask for. You seem to vastly underestimate the level of spying it would take to prevent a legal non-immigrant from overstaying.
 
2012-10-10 02:42:13 PM  

Smackledorfer: Did I say, anywhere in this thread, that I liked the patriot act or supported decreasing the protections of the fourth amendment?
Answer: no I did not.

Did you? Yes, by calling for increased spying by our government.

Which is extra stupid since you keep ignoring the dollar cost of what you ask for. You seem to vastly underestimate the level of spying it would take to prevent a legal non-immigrant from overstaying.


So, you don't want to answer my question. Fine.

To be gracious, I will clarify despite your repeated failure to do so. I only want the government to step up their tracking of foreign nationals in our country up to the same level as our own citizens, a level which you vastly underestimate. If the government wants to throttle back on its authoritative surveillance of its own people, I would be happy for that. But it wont happen anytime soon since both parties and its rank-and-file followers are fine with it. As long as the infrastructure is there and paid for, it should be used for the purposes I mentioned.
 
2012-10-10 04:46:46 PM  

dervish16108: Smackledorfer: Did I say, anywhere in this thread, that I liked the patriot act or supported decreasing the protections of the fourth amendment?
Answer: no I did not.

Did you? Yes, by calling for increased spying by our government.

Which is extra stupid since you keep ignoring the dollar cost of what you ask for. You seem to vastly underestimate the level of spying it would take to prevent a legal non-immigrant from overstaying.

So, you don't want to answer my question. Fine.

To be gracious, I will clarify despite your repeated failure to do so. I only want the government to step up their tracking of foreign nationals in our country up to the same level as our own citizens, a level which you vastly underestimate. If the government wants to throttle back on its authoritative surveillance of its own people, I would be happy for that. But it wont happen anytime soon since both parties and its rank-and-file followers are fine with it. As long as the infrastructure is there and paid for, it should be used for the purposes I mentioned.


Which question do you think I'm evading? If it is about whether crap like the TSA is authoritarian, the sure it is. But in terms of defining our society as free or not that is a broader view. I myself flew once this year and it was the only time in the last 365 days I encountered law enforcement. I could have avoided the TSA by driving. I consider that to be pretty free. While I dislike moves towards becoming more authoritarian I hardly feel we've crossed an invisible line to vile police state as of yet. Ymmv.

As for the rest, you would have to be watching aliens every minute and having papers checks for every public action to lock down overstays. If you think the government does that to the average citizen then you probably own a tinfoil hat. If you think having an fbi structure in place for crime suspects could be so easily expanded to tracking all legal aliens 24/7 without spending ludicrous amounts of money then we'll have to agree to disagree. Because 24/7 is what it would take to keep a visa holder from dropping off the grid. You want every mexican who visits el paso to shop for a day to be tailed in that manner? Short of perfect surveillance you'd require frequent checkpoints and more generally targetted measures, which means more spying on citizens in an attempt to keep eyes on the aliens(who still have 4th amendment rights at this time).

Maybe our disconnect here is that you are saying they can be successfully kept track of and ignoring the costs of doing so (which is more expensive tham the damage they cause to the economy). If you have an awesome tracking solution that eludes me, let's hear it.


Or were you thinking tracking bracelets that explode upon removal or something similarly outlandish and movie-inspired?
 
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