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2012-10-08 11:32:30 AM  
Well, I'm told it worked well in Libya.
 
2012-10-08 11:43:07 AM  

I_C_Weener: Well, I'm told it worked well in Libya.


Libya had a single opposition government. While the Syrian Free Army is fighting fairly well, there isn't anything close to a central opposition government. There's a reason Libya worked.
 
ZAZ [TotalFark]
2012-10-08 11:44:50 AM  
It worked in Afghanistan, it worked in Libya, and it's been working in Syria.
 
2012-10-08 11:49:47 AM  
So Romney's foreign policy seems to be: Keep doing what Obama is doing, but at the same time complain about how bad what Obama is doing is? Do I have that right?
 
2012-10-08 11:52:23 AM  

GAT_00: I_C_Weener: Well, I'm told it worked well in Libya.

Libya had a single opposition government. While the Syrian Free Army is fighting fairly well, there isn't anything close to a central opposition government. There's a reason Libya worked.



I'm not sure you are aware of the situation in Syria...a civil war...against the royal family's government.  A Mr. Assad.  Or, are you saying there are several governments in Syria?
 
2012-10-08 11:53:04 AM  

NowhereMon: So Romney's foreign policy seems to be: Keep doing what Obama is doing, but at the same time complain about how bad what Obama is doing is? Do I have that right?


Pretty much, except you forgot "make use of incompetent bungling and big mouth to make things worse whenever possible."
 
2012-10-08 11:53:54 AM  
Because it worked out so well in Afghanistan in the 80's Romney says he will arm Syrian rebels if elected

It actually *DID* work out well, right up to the point where we basically abandoned interest in the place after the Soviet pull-out. We weren't concerned with them establishing a stable government, or of shoring up the groups we armed, so we ended up paying the price later on.
 
ZAZ [TotalFark]
2012-10-08 11:55:21 AM  
NowhereMon

I'm sure there would be some difference in their foreign policies, but you're probably right about Syria. Relations with Russia could change, and Israel and Palestine might hear different words backed up by the same inaction.
 
2012-10-08 11:56:33 AM  
So, basically, he's GWB's domestic policy and Dick Cheney's foreign policy. Did I miss anything there?
 
2012-10-08 11:56:51 AM  

I_C_Weener: GAT_00: I_C_Weener: Well, I'm told it worked well in Libya.

Libya had a single opposition government. While the Syrian Free Army is fighting fairly well, there isn't anything close to a central opposition government. There's a reason Libya worked.


I'm not sure you are aware of the situation in Syria...a civil war...against the royal family's government.  A Mr. Assad.  Or, are you saying there are several governments in Syria?


There is not a single government coordinating all rebel actions, or anything close to it. The rebels have multiple factions.
 
2012-10-08 11:58:35 AM  

GAT_00: I_C_Weener: GAT_00: I_C_Weener: Well, I'm told it worked well in Libya.

Libya had a single opposition government. While the Syrian Free Army is fighting fairly well, there isn't anything close to a central opposition government. There's a reason Libya worked.


I'm not sure you are aware of the situation in Syria...a civil war...against the royal family's government.  A Mr. Assad.  Or, are you saying there are several governments in Syria?

There is not a single government coordinating all rebel actions, or anything close to it. The rebels have multiple factions.



Oh, I misread "opposition" by missing it completely.
 
2012-10-08 12:01:49 PM  
Hey, look - a man with zero foreign policy experience expounding on foreign policy. Well, at least he's got an experienced running mate. Oh, wait - no he doesn't.
 
2012-10-08 12:08:47 PM  

FlashHarry: Hey, look - a man with zero foreign policy experience expounding on foreign policy. Well, at least he's got an experienced running mate. Oh, wait - no he doesn't.


What are you talking about? Ryan has voted to send Americans to war, how much more foreign policy experience do you want?
 
2012-10-08 12:20:47 PM  
I suspect the difference being Mr. Romney will be stupid enough to admit doing so, while President Obama has studied enough history to understand that loose lips sink ships.
 
2012-10-08 12:22:39 PM  

propasaurus: FlashHarry: Hey, look - a man with zero foreign policy experience expounding on foreign policy. Well, at least he's got an experienced running mate. Oh, wait - no he doesn't.

What are you talking about? Ryan has voted to send Americans to war, how much more foreign policy experience do you want?


This is one of the many reasons why the Republicans should be excluded from the elections and replaced with a 3rd party candidate.

If you cannot nominate someone qualified to do the job - and you insult Americans by running this failure of a human being and his Randian sidekick then you should be treated accordingly.
 
2012-10-08 12:24:13 PM  

Bontesla: propasaurus: FlashHarry: Hey, look - a man with zero foreign policy experience expounding on foreign policy. Well, at least he's got an experienced running mate. Oh, wait - no he doesn't.

What are you talking about? Ryan has voted to send Americans to war, how much more foreign policy experience do you want?

This is one of the many reasons why the Republicans should be excluded from the elections and replaced with a 3rd party candidate.

If you cannot nominate someone qualified to do the job - and you insult Americans by running this failure of a human being and his Randian sidekick then you should be treated accordingly.



Sooo, you are saying to right off 47% of the population?
 
2012-10-08 12:28:57 PM  
Right off?  Write off?  Whatever.
 
2012-10-08 12:48:24 PM  
No he won't. Turkey calls the shots on this one, and we're not about to piss off our NATO ally over this.
 
2012-10-08 12:49:52 PM  

dittybopper: Because it worked out so well in Afghanistan in the 80's Romney says he will arm Syrian rebels if elected

It actually *DID* work out well, right up to the point where we basically abandoned interest in the place after the Soviet pull-out. We weren't concerned with them establishing a stable government, or of shoring up the groups we armed, so we ended up paying the price later on.


So Romney is proposing a long term, open ended US commitment to engagement in Syria? He is embracing nation building as a stated goal of his Administration?
 
2012-10-08 12:50:48 PM  
Isn't that "leading from behind"?

Exactly what Romney said he wouldn't do?
 
2012-10-08 12:51:23 PM  
Romney says he will arm Syrian rebels if elected............

its worked well in all these places for the Congressional Military Industrial Complex and the Pentagon. hasn't worked out too well for the american soldier from the middle/workling classes who has to catch all the bullets.

hasn't worked out too well for the american tax payer who has to foot the bill.

sending our troups overseas is good for american business. unless those troops contain congressmen's kids. as long as its middle/working class kids, its A-Okay.

but i feel so much Freer and safe because of it. really, i do. wink wink.
 
2012-10-08 12:51:49 PM  

NowhereMon: So Romney's foreign policy seems to be: Keep doing what Obama is doing, but at the same time complain about how bad what Obama is doing is? Do I have that right?


FTFY, if the debate is any indication.

/and also cut taxes for rich people
//excuse me, "lower the brackets" for rich people.
 
2012-10-08 12:52:43 PM  
Sounds like a plotline for Rambo 5.
 
2012-10-08 12:52:57 PM  
because the circumstances between all Middle-Eastern counties are the exact same
 
2012-10-08 12:53:28 PM  
last week the right-wing noise machine was blasting Obama for "funding terrorists" in Syria.

I wonder what their reaction to this will be.
 
2012-10-08 12:53:30 PM  

MisterTweak: So, basically, he's GWB's domestic policy and Dick Cheney's foreign policy. Did I miss anything there?


All embraced in the loving folds of John Sununu's jowls.
 
2012-10-08 12:54:34 PM  
This brings the total number of substantive differences between Obama and Romney up to a whopping zero.
 
2012-10-08 12:55:15 PM  

Corvus: Isn't that "leading from behind"?

Exactly what Romney said he wouldn't do?




you'll never see that Blue Blood Turd's kids fighting for "Freedom" oversears.

they let the middle/working class kids catch the bullets and they let the american taxpayer foot the bill.

and they and their business owning buddies in the defense and related industries get all that sweet tax paid for government contracts.

war is good for business. that is why america is always at war.

if Congress and the wealthy had to send their kids to die, these wars would stop PRONTO. (unless our shores were being invaded)
 
2012-10-08 12:56:06 PM  

RanDomino: This brings the total number of substantive differences between Obama and Romney up to a whopping zero.


Yes, they're exactly alike in every single way. Especially when it comes to tax policy, civil rights, campaign finance, etc. etc. Exactly the same. Exactly.
 
2012-10-08 12:56:35 PM  
Don't worry.

Romney will only arm the rebels under direct orders from Bibi.
 
2012-10-08 12:57:07 PM  

Linux_Yes: Romney says he will arm Syrian rebels if elected............

its worked well in all these places for the Congressional Military Industrial Complex and the Pentagon. hasn't worked out too well for the american soldier from the middle/workling classes who has to catch all the bullets.

hasn't worked out too well for the american tax payer who has to foot the bill.

sending our troups overseas is good for american business. unless those troops contain congressmen's kids. as long as its middle/working class kids, its A-Okay.

but i feel so much Freer and safe because of it. really, i do. wink wink.


CCR made "Fortunate Son" for a very good reason. We get the shaft in war, they get the money. Personally I think Romney would bungle the whole thing. He'd probably arm the wrong group first. Then he'd forage links between the Syrians and Iran. The, BOOM!, he can legitimately invade Iran.

Think I'm nuts? Nope. Any excuse so he can swing his tiny penis and be a dick swinger, just like Ronnie Raygun.
 
2012-10-08 12:57:11 PM  
I'm pretty sure the Syrian rebels are already being armed by neighboring countries like Saudi Arabia or Turkey. Neither of them are too fond of Iran, and Syria's current regime is Iran's puppet. Having US-supplied arms won't make a difference. They need tactical and logistical support.
 
2012-10-08 12:58:06 PM  
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2012-10-08 01:01:57 PM  

ultraholland: because the circumstances between all Middle-Eastern counties are the exact same


Well they're all Arabs over there, right?
 
2012-10-08 01:02:14 PM  

dumbobruni: last week the right-wing noise machine was blasting Obama for "funding terrorists" in Syria.

I wonder what their reaction to this will be.


Courageous freedom fighters that Obama refuses to support, etc.

Romney's finally figured out that the right wing outrage machine is the only thing more full of shiat than he is.
 
2012-10-08 01:03:45 PM  

Philip Francis Queeg: dittybopper: Because it worked out so well in Afghanistan in the 80's Romney says he will arm Syrian rebels if elected

It actually *DID* work out well, right up to the point where we basically abandoned interest in the place after the Soviet pull-out. We weren't concerned with them establishing a stable government, or of shoring up the groups we armed, so we ended up paying the price later on.

So Romney is proposing a long term, open ended US commitment to engagement in Syria? He is embracing nation building as a stated goal of his Administration?


Would you rather some guy in Syria have his underlings fly airliners into US buildings in 12 years?

If something is broken, especially if it's broken because of our encouragement and/or support, then it would behoove us to make it unbroken, or at least fixed enough that it's not likely to bite us in the ass after just 3 short presidential terms.
 
2012-10-08 01:05:30 PM  

The Evil That Lies In The Hearts Of Men: ultraholland: because the circumstances between all Middle-Eastern counties are the exact same

Well they're all Arabs over there, right?


In all seriousness, I hear that exact argument from my co-workers all the time.
 
2012-10-08 01:05:31 PM  
Chickens. Roosting. Goddamn
 
2012-10-08 01:07:23 PM  

dittybopper: Would you rather some guy in Syria have his underlings fly airliners into US buildings in 12 years?


Wait, do you believe Al Qaeda sent terrorists to attack the US because we didn't engage in enough nation building?
 
2012-10-08 01:11:04 PM  
Republicans: More war and another recession.
 
2012-10-08 01:12:18 PM  
which group of rebels? or you just going to arm all of them and let the country fall into civil and tribal wars?

The reason no one is giving them arms is there is no clear cut rebel group that will create a peaceful replacement government
 
2012-10-08 01:12:46 PM  

dittybopper: Because it worked out so well in Afghanistan in the 80's Romney says he will arm Syrian rebels if elected

It actually *DID* work out well, right up to the point where we basically abandoned interest in the place after the Soviet pull-out. We weren't concerned with them establishing a stable government, or of shoring up the groups we armed, so we ended up paying the price later on.


A thousand times THIS. It worked exactly the way we wanted it to in the 80s, we just stopped caring in 1992.
 
2012-10-08 01:14:12 PM  
Those Virginia Military Institute cadets who cheered Romney forgot to chant: "We, who are about to die, salute you."
 
2012-10-08 01:17:16 PM  
It actually did work in Afghanistan. The rebels we trained and armed defeated the Soviets.

The failure was to follow-up help them rebuild and set up a strong education system. We just left, creating a power vacuum that the Tailban filled.
 
2012-10-08 01:17:39 PM  

GAT_00: I_C_Weener: GAT_00: I_C_Weener: Well, I'm told it worked well in Libya.

Libya had a single opposition government. While the Syrian Free Army is fighting fairly well, there isn't anything close to a central opposition government. There's a reason Libya worked.


I'm not sure you are aware of the situation in Syria...a civil war...against the royal family's government.  A Mr. Assad.  Or, are you saying there are several governments in Syria?

There is not a single government coordinating all rebel actions, or anything close to it. The rebels have multiple factions.


....kind of like there was in Afghanistan where there were several factions, united only by their desire to have the Soviets out. Once the Soviets left, the unity splintered and tribal factions took over, leaving the strongest (the Taliban) to win.
 
2012-10-08 01:21:06 PM  
Romney has to either arm someone or send in troops. For a republican, foreign policy means war. Period.
 
2012-10-08 01:23:40 PM  

Fart_Machine: dittybopper: Would you rather some guy in Syria have his underlings fly airliners into US buildings in 12 years?

Wait, do you believe Al Qaeda sent terrorists to attack the US because we didn't engage in enough nation building?


No, I believe that abandoning a nation to chaos can and has led such nations to become safe havens for terrorist activity.

But yeah, it's a damned if you do, damned if you don't situation: No matter what happens, we'll be the bad guy, somehow.
 
2012-10-08 01:25:00 PM  
So basically Obama helps out rebels and its brilliant but if Romney suggests helping some out he's not paying attention to history.

And it did work out for the intended goal of defeating the Soviet Union. Liberals have been lamenting being wrong about that whole "bring down the Soviet Union" thing for awhile now I understand.
 
2012-10-08 01:26:38 PM  

kkinnison: The reason no one is giving them arms is there is no clear cut rebel group that will create a peaceful replacement government


So you pick one and support it. Then, you tell them (by back channels, of course, not publicly) that if they don't do it our way, we'll pull our support and give it to a different group that will.
 
2012-10-08 01:29:24 PM  
Getting in bed with rebel groups was a bad idea when Obama did it, and it's a worse idea that Romney wants to double down on it. We have no use for a proxy war with Russia and Iran in Syria, and the world police thing has got to stop.
 
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