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(Townhall)   Forty-five years ago this week, Che Guevara was declared a murderer, put up against a wall, and shot. And that t-shirt makes you look like an idiot   (townhall.com) divider line 171
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2012-10-08 10:37:21 PM

Counter_Intelligent: manduwala: My communist (real communist, not milquetoast American communist) bought me a Che Guevara T-Shirt for my twenty fifth birthday.

You have a communist?


My commie drives a nova.

/Obscure, even for fark
 
2012-10-08 10:39:49 PM

She comes in colors everywhere: Counter_Intelligent: manduwala: My communist (real communist, not milquetoast American communist) bought me a Che Guevara T-Shirt for my twenty fifth birthday.

You have a communist?

My commie drives a nova.

/Obscure, even for fark


If it can be found on Google, it's not obscure.
 
2012-10-08 11:35:15 PM

hasty ambush: HugsAndPuppies: he was just a farking asshole.

Pretty much defines every commie I have ever known.



Yep nothing says peace and love like the butt of an American rifle from a conservative soldier
 
2012-10-08 11:37:36 PM

cirby: and it was damned near impossible to walk by an Occupy Wall Street encampment without seeing at least a couple



They're EVERYWHERE!
 
2012-10-08 11:39:44 PM

HugsAndPuppies: Communism is simply impossible as a system of government, because man's baser instincts always take over: greed, ambition, competition, etc



False. These are views taught to children, they are not basic instincts at all. Basic instincts are to work together and be kind. A bully growing up is a bully because of some mental problem such as abusive or missing parental figure, etc. If you raise kids in a bubble away from other kids, they do not display these trends. Thus it is not "natural" but rather learned actions.
 
2012-10-08 11:43:04 PM

Bad_Seed: The one genuine accomplishment in Che Guevara's life was the mass-murder of defenseless men and boys. Under his own gun dozens died. Under his orders thousands crumpled. At everything else Che Guevara failed abysmally, even comically

Except for that whole Cuban Revolution thing, where him, the Castro brothers and 18 other guys managed to fight their way through the entire island to overthrow Batista's regime. Which is probably the reason why this hombre is in America, writing bad articles for disreputable websites, instead of sitting on his family's plantation oppressing the peasants.



It's strange the cognitive dissonance of people who call Che a murdering thug while ignoring what types of governments he was fighting against...
 
2012-10-09 01:55:11 AM

intelligent comment below: Bad_Seed: The one genuine accomplishment in Che Guevara's life was the mass-murder of defenseless men and boys. Under his own gun dozens died. Under his orders thousands crumpled. At everything else Che Guevara failed abysmally, even comically

Except for that whole Cuban Revolution thing, where him, the Castro brothers and 18 other guys managed to fight their way through the entire island to overthrow Batista's regime. Which is probably the reason why this hombre is in America, writing bad articles for disreputable websites, instead of sitting on his family's plantation oppressing the peasants.


It's strange the cognitive dissonance of people who call Che a murdering thug while ignoring what types of governments he was fighting against...


No one is wearing Batista t-shirts, or I would question their sanity, too. Just because I think someone waving around a Soviet Flag is a colossal douche doesn't mean I would think a Swastika would be just fine and dandy.
 
2012-10-09 01:56:44 AM

intelligent comment below: HugsAndPuppies: Communism is simply impossible as a system of government, because man's baser instincts always take over: greed, ambition, competition, etc


False. These are views taught to children, they are not basic instincts at all. Basic instincts are to work together and be kind. A bully growing up is a bully because of some mental problem such as abusive or missing parental figure, etc. If you raise kids in a bubble away from other kids, they do not display these trends. Thus it is not "natural" but rather learned actions.


What are the "natural" emotions?
 
2012-10-09 02:11:31 AM
Wow, so much derp subby, such tiny fists.

You look mah-velous.
 
2012-10-09 02:29:21 AM

Ricardo Klement: What are the "natural" emotions?



How do you get that from what I said? Are you confusing emotions with actions?
 
2012-10-09 02:52:17 AM

intelligent comment below: Ricardo Klement: What are the "natural" emotions?


How do you get that from what I said? Are you confusing emotions with actions?


Greed isn't an action, it's a form of desire. Desire for more than you actually need is hardly learned. It can be cultivated, sure. But you're running into a chicken/egg situation here, with SOMEONE being the first greedy or ambitious person without having had a greedy/ambitious parent. Like the chicken/egg problem, we actually know the answer. (Egg came first, laid by a not-quite-chicken. At least, according to NdGT.) With greed, it was arrived-at naturally.
 
2012-10-09 04:39:49 AM

Ricardo Klement: Greed isn't an action, it's a form of desire. Desire for more than you actually need is hardly learned. It can be cultivated, sure. But you're running into a chicken/egg situation here, with SOMEONE being the first greedy or ambitious person without having had a greedy/ambitious parent. Like the chicken/egg problem, we actually know the answer. (Egg came first, laid by a not-quite-chicken. At least, according to NdGT.) With greed, it was arrived-at naturally.



No child is born greedy. Greed is not a natural part of human action. Humanity itself would never have advanced it what you claim about natural actions were true. Humanity got to its point today because of working together. Greed has done nothing but cause those advancements to fall back from the advancements made earlier.
 
2012-10-09 06:47:31 AM
So my son attends German Gymnasium. They get the history lesson on Che and the German teacher (aging hippy) is actually wearing a Che T-shirt. So my son raises his hand and asked if Che was trying to spread communism throughout the world, wasn't it a good thing that the Americans killed him?

Old hippy ending up screaming at my kid over it. Must have been his childhood hero or something.
 
2012-10-09 09:43:13 AM
Che was a murderous thug who got what he deserved, no different than Pol Pot or Idi Amin
 
2012-10-09 10:22:43 AM
intelligent comment below
No child is born greedy. Greed is not a natural part of human action. Humanity itself would never have advanced it what you claim about natural actions were true. Humanity got to its point today because of working together. Greed has done nothing but cause those advancements to fall back from the advancements made earlier.

Sociopaths exist. Over time, they are able to manipulate healthy societies to serve their interests. Part of that is making their behavior socially acceptable by changing how people are taught.
 
2012-10-09 10:41:48 AM
That's what Che said?
 
2012-10-09 11:32:27 AM

intelligent comment below: No child is born greedy.


Says the person who's apparently never spent any time around infants. Human infants are nothing but greed. And poop. Lots of poop.

But seriously, there's a reason that every children's program ever made has at least one episode about sharing. Greed is a natural emotional response in the human animal that has to be trained out.
 
2012-10-09 04:50:46 PM

kg2095: manduwala: My communist (real communist, not milquetoast American communist) bought me a Che Guevara T-Shirt for my twenty fifth birthday. Ten years later I have yet to forgive him, it also turned all my red shirts pink.

You have your own communist? Where did you get him?


Where else? China.

lafong: Che was a murderous thug who got what he deserved, no different than Pol Pot or Idi Amin


Except we didn't get to kill Idi or Pol. They died naturally.
 
2012-10-09 04:56:38 PM

chachi88: kg2095: manduwala: My communist (real communist, not milquetoast American communist) bought me a Che Guevara T-Shirt for my twenty fifth birthday. Ten years later I have yet to forgive him, it also turned all my red shirts pink.

You have your own communist? Where did you get him?

Where else? China.

lafong: Che was a murderous thug who got what he deserved, no different than Pol Pot or Idi Amin

Except we didn't get to kill Idi or Pol. They died naturally.


I'm unwilling to say he's just like Idi or Saloth Sar unless he actually did what they did. I may have some grave concerns about putting someone of his character in that position, but I won't actually condemn him to being THAT bad, even if he was really bad.
 
2012-10-09 05:48:48 PM

ThatGuyFromTheInternet: vernonFL: Without trial he was declared a murderer, stood against a wall and shot.

Even Jeffrey Dahmer and Saddam Hussein got a trial.

Bin Laden didn't, is he innocent?


If you mean "innocent" as in "innocent until proven guilty," then . . . yes, technically, he was, since he was never tried. And your point is?
 
2012-10-10 06:25:22 AM

lafong: Che was a murderous thug who got what he deserved, no different than Pol Pot or Idi Amin


Kind of an exaggeration, no?

Scott Peterson was also a murderous thug, like Stalin or Hitler...
 
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