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(Townhall)   Forty-five years ago this week, Che Guevara was declared a murderer, put up against a wall, and shot. And that t-shirt makes you look like an idiot   (townhall.com) divider line 171
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2012-10-08 10:15:27 AM
The kill doctors in Kansas, too.
 
2012-10-08 10:23:52 AM
Actually, I think Che Guevara would have been horrified to see his image being used to sell cheap tee shirts to clueless US college kids. thoughts like that keep me warm at night.
 
2012-10-08 10:25:42 AM

Weaver95: Actually, I think Che Guevara would have been horrified to see his image being used to sell cheap tee shirts to clueless US college kids. thoughts like that keep me warm at night.


It really is hilarious.
 
2012-10-08 10:44:54 AM

Aarontology: Weaver95: Actually, I think Che Guevara would have been horrified to see his image being used to sell cheap tee shirts to clueless US college kids. thoughts like that keep me warm at night.

It really is hilarious.


There's a certain irony to it where all parties involved are varying levels of asshats.
 
2012-10-08 10:49:03 AM
So you're saying my Hitler t-shirt is silly as well?

/maybe I just like having pictures of murderers
 
2012-10-08 10:54:25 AM
trakt.us

"This we can agree on. Planet of the Apes was a fine picture."
 
2012-10-08 11:02:18 AM
howsyourrevolution.files.wordpress.com
 
2012-10-08 11:18:40 AM
i.imgur.com

R.I.P. TACO BELL REVOLUTION
 
2012-10-08 11:21:36 AM
Was this all true, or the exaggerated rantings of a non fan? Genuine question
 
2012-10-08 11:28:03 AM

colinspooky: Was this all true, or the exaggerated rantings of a non fan? Genuine question


It's fair to assume at this point that basically everything you see written about Guevara will be wrong. He's probably one of the best examples of history totally distorting what someone did or didn't do. That there is an active campaign to distort anything he did doesn't help the inevitable altered history that gets remembered.
 
2012-10-08 11:33:06 AM

colinspooky: Was this all true, or the exaggerated rantings of a non fan? Genuine question


As a general rule on the internet, it is safe to assume that the stronger the poster's opinions on the following three topics:

1) George Orwell
2) Ayn Rand
3) Che Guevera

the less likely it is that he or she actually knows anything about them beyond blind parrotry.

This rule applies generally to many other topics as well, but it's on these three subjects in particular that you will find its applicability rising to nearly 100 percent certainty.
 
2012-10-08 11:34:04 AM

colinspooky: Was this all true, or the exaggerated rantings of a non fan? Genuine question


Pretty much, minus some of the inflammatory language.
 
2012-10-08 11:34:47 AM
FTFA: His pathetic whimpering while dropping his fully-loaded weapons as two Bolivian soldiers approached him on Oct. 8 1967 ("Don't shoot!" I'm Che!" I'm worth more to you alive than dead!") proves that this cowardly, murdering swine was unfit to carry his victims' slop buckets.

Is this accurate? I'd always heard his last words reported "Go on, shoot me. You're only going to kill a man." but there are always a lot of misattriputed last words floating around.
 
2012-10-08 11:43:17 AM

mahuika: FTFA: His pathetic whimpering while dropping his fully-loaded weapons as two Bolivian soldiers approached him on Oct. 8 1967 ("Don't shoot!" I'm Che!" I'm worth more to you alive than dead!") proves that this cowardly, murdering swine was unfit to carry his victims' slop buckets.

Is this accurate? I'd always heard his last words reported "Go on, shoot me. You're only going to kill a man." but there are always a lot of misattriputed last words floating around.


Different times. The "Don't shoot!" was during his initial capture (October 8th). The "Go on, shoot me." was when he already knew death was unavoidable and facing the executioner (October 9th).
 
2012-10-08 11:44:24 AM

GAT_00: colinspooky: Was this all true, or the exaggerated rantings of a non fan? Genuine question

It's fair to assume at this point that basically everything you see written about Guevara will be wrong. He's probably one of the best examples of history totally distorting what someone did or didn't do. That there is an active campaign to distort anything he did doesn't help the inevitable altered history that gets remembered.


You mean he didn't make his fortune selling tshirts and berets?
 
2012-10-08 11:54:16 AM
I love those Che t-shirts and posters. They let you know immediately that the person wearing the shirt or who has the poster on his wall shouldn't be taken seriously.
 
2012-10-08 11:55:46 AM
Without trial he was declared a murderer, stood against a wall and shot.

Even Jeffrey Dahmer and Saddam Hussein got a trial.
 
2012-10-08 11:59:53 AM

vernonFL: Without trial he was declared a murderer, stood against a wall and shot.

Even Jeffrey Dahmer and Saddam Hussein got a trial.


On the other end though, Knife-butt Ghadaffi did not get a trial, just a knife up his butt.
 
2012-10-08 12:28:29 PM

vernonFL: Without trial he was declared a murderer, stood against a wall and shot.

Even Jeffrey Dahmer and Saddam Hussein got a trial.


Bin Laden didn't, is he innocent?
 
2012-10-08 12:45:51 PM
Way to take down Che Guevara and all of those no-goodnik kids from 1994 that liked Rage Against the Machine, but now have desk jobs. Once again, TownHall has its finger on the pulse of leftism!
 
2012-10-08 12:48:51 PM
I want to sell Che T-shirt with the caption "I have no idea who this is."
 
2012-10-08 12:49:34 PM

Weaver95: Actually, I think Che Guevara would have been horrified to see his image being used to sell cheap tee shirts to clueless US college kids. thoughts like that keep me warm at night.


It does mitigate it a little, but I really lose hope for the human race over clueless shiat like that.
 
2012-10-08 12:49:43 PM
Che Guevera T-shirt Wearer

You have no idea what he did
You are not interested in politics
you didn't know he wasn't a singer of a political rock band

Great song. 

\The Clap - great band name.
 
2012-10-08 12:49:57 PM

colinspooky: Was this all true, or the exaggerated rantings of a non fan? Genuine question


Ché was pretty much the embodiment of the line in The Dark Knight, "You either die the hero, or live long enough to see yourself become the villain." He started as a revolutionary against a brutal, vicious regime, and ended up being nearly as brutal as those he rebelled against. That being said, the author of TFA sounds like they need to adjust their medication dosages.
 
2012-10-08 12:51:52 PM
Amazing, something I agree with TownHall about.
 
2012-10-08 12:53:49 PM
Is Che Guevara really a big problem in the United States nowadays? Or is this just some semi-strawman for a blogger to build up and then knock down to look all tough?
 
2012-10-08 12:54:31 PM

mahuika: FTFA: His pathetic whimpering while dropping his fully-loaded weapons as two Bolivian soldiers approached him on Oct. 8 1967 ("Don't shoot!" I'm Che!" I'm worth more to you alive than dead!") proves that this cowardly, murdering swine was unfit to carry his victims' slop buckets.

Is this accurate? I'd always heard his last words reported "Go on, shoot me. You're only going to kill a man." but there are always a lot of misattributed last words floating around.


I'm betting the truth is somewhere in between.
 
2012-10-08 12:55:07 PM
Hmm Townhall and I agree on something.... I, uh, I need to go lie down.
 
2012-10-08 12:56:18 PM

Scorpitron is reduced to a thin red paste: Is Che Guevara really a big problem in the United States nowadays? Or is this just some semi-strawman for a blogger to build up and then knock down to look all tough?


that part
 
2012-10-08 12:57:02 PM
What about the guerrilla leader Che Stadium?
 
2012-10-08 12:57:45 PM
My communist (real communist, not milquetoast American communist) bought me a Che Guevara T-Shirt for my twenty fifth birthday. Ten years later I have yet to forgive him, it also turned all my red shirts pink.
 
2012-10-08 12:58:01 PM

Pocket Ninja: colinspooky: Was this all true, or the exaggerated rantings of a non fan? Genuine question

As a general rule on the internet, it is safe to assume that the stronger the poster's opinions on the following three topics:

1) George Orwell
2) Ayn Rand
3) Che Guevera

the less likely it is that he or she actually knows anything about them beyond blind parrotry.

This rule applies generally to many other topics as well, but it's on these three subjects in particular that you will find its applicability rising to nearly 100 percent certainty.


Most right wing fascists don't get that Orwell was a staunch pragmatic socialist. He said that the Communism and Fascism are from the psychological point of view more or less the same, and I agree.

His experiences in the Spanish civil war reinforced his view on the Communists, the Fascist and authoritarian respectively totalitarian regimes in general. He saw that their only aim was to get the power over Spain and that they did not fight for any particular form of society to help the people to increase their life standard.


Much like Kafka if you truly understand Orwell then you don't understand Orwell, an Orwellian Paradox.
 
2012-10-08 12:58:19 PM

Scorpitron is reduced to a thin red paste: Is Che Guevara really a big problem in the United States nowadays? Or is this just some semi-strawman for a blogger to build up and then knock down to look all tough?


There's a non-trivial presence of Che. I was just at the University of Virginia and there was a poster sale that prominently displayed his poster.
 
2012-10-08 12:58:50 PM

manduwala: My communist (real communist, not milquetoast American communist) bought me a Che Guevara T-Shirt for my twenty fifth birthday. Ten years later I have yet to forgive him, it also turned all my red shirts pink.


Pinko commie
 
2012-10-08 12:59:52 PM

colinspooky: Was this all true, or the exaggerated rantings of a non fan? Genuine question


That he was declared a murderer without trial and shot? Yes.

That he was a murderer? Pretty much.

That he was a terrible person and did terrible things and you should hate him? Meh.

That the shirt makes you look dumb? Only as much as that Reagan shirt.

Che Guevara was a rebel, often without a cause, he went out for violent uprising against legitimately oppressive local and colonial powers because he wanted a communist utopia where everything would be perfect and the people would be free of capitalist oppressors. Thing is while the capitalist oppressors did exist and were a problem they weren't always his targets. Sometimes "the people" didn't want his violent guerrilla wars and pointless revolutions. And his tactics weren't always necessary or even effective and were often terrorism.

Good, bad, he was just another political figure. His main advantage and the reason people pay attention to him is because he was photogenic. His famous picture and beret are iconic because they look good, they look like a rebel leader should look.

The only reason America Stinker even cares instead of being dismissive and disinterested like the rest of us is that they WANT capitalist oppressors and they LIKE American imperialism and they MISS being able to fund death squads and rape third-world countries and have an "international communist conspiracy" boogieman to fear and hate before they go to bed each night.
 
2012-10-08 01:00:35 PM

manduwala: My communist (real communist, not milquetoast American communist) bought me a Che Guevara T-Shirt for my twenty fifth birthday.


You have a communist?
 
2012-10-08 01:00:38 PM

Scorpitron is reduced to a thin red paste: Is Che Guevara really a big problem in the United States nowadays? Or is this just some semi-strawman for a blogger to build up and then knock down to look all tough?


Semi-strawman. I haven't seen a Che shirt for almost 20 years. It was a fashion fad started by a lousy band that Paul Ryan listens to. It's over.

Next week Townhall is going to take down the disco music fad with all of its quaaludes and polyester suits that the youth are into these days.
 
2012-10-08 01:02:10 PM

Counter_Intelligent: manduwala: My communist (real communist, not milquetoast American communist) bought me a Che Guevara T-Shirt for my twenty fifth birthday.

You have a communist?


Capitalist oppression know no bounds!
 
2012-10-08 01:03:05 PM

Bondith: I want to sell Che T-shirt with the caption "I have no idea who this is."


One of many.
 
2012-10-08 01:03:23 PM

Teufelaffe: colinspooky: Was this all true, or the exaggerated rantings of a non fan? Genuine question

Ché was pretty much the embodiment of the line in The Dark Knight, "You either die the hero, or live long enough to see yourself become the villain." He started as a revolutionary against a brutal, vicious regime, and ended up being nearly as brutal as those he rebelled against. That being said, the author of TFA sounds like they need to adjust their medication dosages.


As I understand it, the appropriate line would be more like "Some men just want to watch the world burn". He was more like the Joker: he was into destabilizing (or attempting to -- he wasn't always very good at it) authority in every country he went to. He was never a left-wing hero, he was just a farking asshole.
 
2012-10-08 01:04:22 PM

Counter_Intelligent: manduwala: My communist (real communist, not milquetoast American communist) bought me a Che Guevara T-Shirt for my twenty fifth birthday.

You have a communist?


He accidentally the whole thing.
 
2012-10-08 01:05:19 PM

Nabb1: I love those Che t-shirts and posters. They let you know immediately that the person wearing the shirt or who has the poster on his wall shouldn't be taken seriously.


It truly is a litmus test. Anybody wearing a Che shirt or a "patriotic" flag shirt/pants/speedo. One is a Lye the other an acid.

I wonder if you can get a thong???

i1.cpcache.com

MADE IN THE USA hahahahahahaha!!!
 
2012-10-08 01:06:19 PM
img.photobucket.com
 
2012-10-08 01:06:21 PM

HugsAndPuppies: he was just a farking asshole.


Pretty much defines every commie I have ever known.
 
2012-10-08 01:08:20 PM

TheBigJerk: Bondith: I want to sell Che T-shirt with the caption "I have no idea who this is."

One of many.


Late to the party, as always. Oh well, I can still get rich with my clever idea to sell pictures of cats with cleverly mis-spelled captions.
 
2012-10-08 01:09:47 PM
I haven't seen a Che t-shirt in at least a decade during which time I've lived in both Seattle and SF and if that doesn't make sense it's because It's 10 and I need more coffee.
 
2012-10-08 01:09:53 PM
www.filehurricane.com
 
2012-10-08 01:11:38 PM

Rapmaster2000: Scorpitron is reduced to a thin red paste: Is Che Guevara really a big problem in the United States nowadays? Or is this just some semi-strawman for a blogger to build up and then knock down to look all tough?

Semi-strawman. I haven't seen a Che shirt for almost 20 years. It was a fashion fad started by a lousy band that Paul Ryan listens to. It's over.

Next week Townhall is going to take down the disco music fad with all of its quaaludes and polyester suits that the youth are into these days.


Attend any anti-war protest.
 
2012-10-08 01:11:52 PM

Pocket Ninja: colinspooky: Was this all true, or the exaggerated rantings of a non fan? Genuine question

As a general rule on the internet, it is safe to assume that the stronger the poster's opinions on the following three topics:

1) George Orwell
2) Ayn Rand
3) Che Guevera

the less likely it is that he or she actually knows anything about them beyond blind parrotry.

This rule applies generally to many other topics as well, but it's on these three subjects in particular that you will find its applicability rising to nearly 100 percent certainty.


Everything I need to know I read on Wikipedia. It gives me the ability to form all the close-minded, uneducated opinions I want, while feeling like I really stuck it to the person I'm talking to.
 
2012-10-08 01:12:18 PM
Stupid and ignorant people, making someone whose "noble" ideas were a complete failure into some type of a hero, an idol and a sacred icon after his death, someone who has been immortalized for things that he actually never did, accomplished or even promoted. But enough about Reagan, this thread is about Ché.
 
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