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(Salon)   President Obama's debate performance will soon be overshadowed by Joe "Wild Card" Biden, who might just be able to bring the campaign back where it belongs   (salon.com) divider line 49
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2012-10-08 10:14:58 AM
7 votes:
I've said it before folks. Keep painting Biden as a gaffe prone ignoramus. It'll be hilarious when the guy who is painted as a moron but actually is smart, kind, and experienced debates the guy who is painted as a genius but is actually a green, vindictive moron with no real plan. Can't wait.
2012-10-08 08:50:51 AM
4 votes:
I have a feeling Biden will hammer the hell out of Paul Ryan on Medicare and the comically inept Ryan Budget.

That's really all he needs to do.
2012-10-08 11:34:14 AM
3 votes:

Wicked Chinchilla: t3knomanser: Wicked Chinchilla: It really blindsided Obama.

To be fair, Obama prepared to debate the positions Romney had advocated during most of his campaign. He wasn't prepared for Romney to essentially steal Obama's positions, add in a bullet-pointed list, and throw in a layer of, "I can cut taxes better than him."

Oh, I fully realize that. My question is how, in fact, DO you respond to that effectively? I mean, its such a lie people who actually know the policy positions were all saying "who the fark is this guy and where did you put Mitt Romney?" You wouldn't think an adequate response would even be necessary since its so obviously ridiculous. But yet, here we are.


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2012-10-08 10:45:41 AM
3 votes:
The whole "Biden is a bad speaker/debtor" meme is hilarious. His best moments never receive any attention from the "Liberal" media. Only the "gaffes" do, which really aren't gaffes but a man who doesn't care speaking his mind. If the morons on the right actually listened to what he had to say instead of relying on Fatbaugh or Rupert Murdoch to translate they may actually realize that Paul "I can certainly tell several lies" Ryan isn't actually that great of the speaker, especially when most of his speeches are full of so much shiat the Roto-Rooter man would wince.

Relying on Ayn Rand and a few Onion articles for debate prep ain't gonna save his ass.
2012-10-08 10:41:27 AM
3 votes:
I"m a Stupid American who believes everything the corporate owned TV tells me.


i'm not going to look at the last 3.5 years of Obama's performance, i'm going to base my vote a 90 minute debate.

that's how stupid some americans are.

and THAT is why this nation is in the sh*thole its in that has its roots in the Reagan 80's.

anyone remember in the 80's when Ronnie, et al, allowed our Steel Industry to be shipped overseas??? that, among others, was the begining of what we see today.

but blame it on the black guy. so american. so easy. so convenient.

and the most pathetic thing is that Obama/Biden are two of the best things this Nation has going for it.

but go ahead, America, and listen to your corporate owners on the TV machine.

its worked so well for you in the past..................
2012-10-08 10:16:18 AM
3 votes:
I'm calling it now, Ryan will show up looking for a crazy time, and Biden will pull out "Serious Joe" like at the speech with the veterans or whatever it was, and it will be a slaughter.
2012-10-08 08:34:28 AM
3 votes:
Make sure you watch this debate on C-SPAN, which does the whole thing in close-up split screen. Biden's reactions to Ryan will be worth it.
2012-10-08 10:46:57 AM
2 votes:

EnviroDude: When you have to put your hope in a plagiarizing gaffe prone fool like Biden, give it up man....cause you are done.


God damn, son. Look at how stupid what you wrote is.
2012-10-08 10:33:35 AM
2 votes:

Notabunny: Ryan, who pretends to be a "Numbers Guy", but knows he's really nothing more than a polished ideologue who's afraid to tell anyone any actual numbers.


He likes to spout actual numbers: 6-8% body fat, marathon times under 3 hours, etc. But only when those numbers have no basis in reality. 

I don't think Biden is going to stand by and let him spew his bullshiat.
2012-10-08 10:30:01 AM
2 votes:

MFL: [assets.nydailynews.com image 635x569]


wat?

Dont you have some stupid cartoon where Obama has big ears to post?
2012-10-08 10:27:20 AM
2 votes:

Aarontology: That debate is going to be prime fap material for policy wonks.


Affirmative. Biden, a reality-based statesman who actually knows his stuff and is willing to go on for days telling you about it in excruciating detail, vs. Ryan, who pretends to be a "Numbers Guy", but knows he's really nothing more than a polished ideologue who's afraid to tell anyone any actual numbers.
2012-10-08 10:24:05 AM
2 votes:
Holy shiat, the number of back-handed swipes at the President's performance in TFA would make Free Republic proud.

Liberals really need to get their anger-management in check, and I'm saying this as a 100% sincere left-of-centrist. I know Obama represents the last best hope to keep Conservatives from running roughshod over the country, but if you want him to start acting like a petulant, combative message board user don't hold your breath.

Liberals are supposed to be the ones with facts and reason on their side. Now they want to be the ones who play in the muck of lies and empty bluster against those with far more experience? I expected better.
2012-10-08 10:17:54 AM
2 votes:
farm7.staticflickr.com 
Biden's debate prep
2012-10-08 10:12:49 AM
2 votes:
Paul Ryan is going to make fact checkers work over time.

www.usnews.com
2012-10-08 10:02:14 AM
2 votes:
The problem is that you do not "win" the debate by being correct. I think we learned this lesson the other night. So Biden will get pwned like a n00b.

/Is that still hip to say? I've turned into my father.
2012-10-08 09:46:56 AM
2 votes:
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I seriously doubt people will be that interested in the VP debate except for policy wonk types. That being said, it was sad to watch Biden obviously restraining himself against Sarah Palin last time.
2012-10-08 09:06:52 AM
2 votes:
Yes, because Biden is definitely the master debater.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA.

...

Anyway, I do suspect that Biden will mop the floor with Ryan, but then again, Ryan isn't a complete tard like Palin. Even Bowles says Ryan's good at math-ing things and stuff...
2012-10-08 09:00:59 AM
2 votes:
When you have to put your hope in a plagiarizing gaffe prone fool like Biden, give it up man....cause you are done.
2012-10-08 08:51:45 AM
2 votes:
That debate is going to be prime fap material for policy wonks.
2012-10-08 08:31:58 AM
2 votes:
By all means, raise expectations.
2012-10-08 04:35:19 PM
1 votes:

MFL: When all else fails.....call you opponent a liar and pout.


BUT HE DID LIE ON A NUMBER OF ISSUES.

We're calling him a liar BECAUSE HE IS ONE.
2012-10-08 12:53:38 PM
1 votes:

MFL: Wyalt Derp "Mr Moderator, please could I get some more paper? I'm trying to keep a count of all Mr Ryan's lies, and I've run out of space."

When all else fails.....call you opponent a liar and pout. 
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Both Romney and Ryan have lied. Romney lied through his teeth at the debate. He said the exact opposite of more than one of his previous positions.

Both of them are objectively liars, in that they have repeatedly made statements that they knew or should have known to be totally false.

You cannot escape this fact, regardless of how many pictures you post.
2012-10-08 12:28:03 PM
1 votes:

Jiro Dreams Of McRibs: Could Biden just walk over, grab Ryan, slam Ryan over his knee--breaking Ryan's back, then throw the still warm body into the crowd?

Talk about sending a message.

/this entry is in no way a suggestion, urging, demand or plan to have anyone hurt or killed


in a fight I have to go with Ryan over Biden. However, if they race for pink slips, I am pretty sure Joey B has the upper hand

i1.nyt.com
2012-10-08 12:21:20 PM
1 votes:
Could Biden just walk over, grab Ryan, slam Ryan over his knee--breaking Ryan's back, then throw the still warm body into the crowd?

Talk about sending a message.

/this entry is in no way a suggestion, urging, demand or plan to have anyone hurt or killed
2012-10-08 12:17:09 PM
1 votes:

MFL: Wyalt Derp "Mr Moderator, please could I get some more paper? I'm trying to keep a count of all Mr Ryan's lies, and I've run out of space."

When all else fails.....call you opponent a liar and pout. 
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He was lying, objectively speaking. shiat he contradicted himself in the same farking debate.

I mean, what do you want, that we pretend he wasn't?
MFL
2012-10-08 11:55:51 AM
1 votes:
Cuthbert Allgood
I said I was nervous before the presidential debate but I tried to convince myself to relax by saying, "don't worry, Obama's got this!" and look how that worked out....

/I'm concerned for this one too... They both seem like wildcards to me when it comes to the debate. It seems Biden kept it pretty simple when debating Palin, not sure how he's going to handle the streaming lies coming from Ryan...


You can tell when someone is losing because they bring out the whole "pack of lies" defense.
Princeton Economist: Obama Campaign Is Misrepresenting My Study on Romney's Tax Plan

Link

Mitt shattered 6 months and millions of dollars worth of negative campaign adds the Obama administration had been running in one night with a record number of people watching.

Mitt Romney is now not only seen as that dreaded "acceptable alternative"....To anyone who isn't drinking Obama cool-aid He is the superior of the two and the president now has to throw as much shiat at the wall as he can and some of it hope it sticks to slow down the erosion of a lead that was never there to begin with.

Hype will only get you so far without results.
2012-10-08 11:40:03 AM
1 votes:
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2012-10-08 11:31:25 AM
1 votes:
Everyone knows that Biden says crazy shiat.....wouldn't be surprised if he does flat out call Ryan a liar. Obama couldn't get away with it against Mitt, but the news results of Bidden calling Ryan a liar would put all of their debate claims under closer scrutiny and get it far enough into the mainstream to reach the Honey Boo Boo voters.
2012-10-08 11:28:04 AM
1 votes:

t3knomanser: Wicked Chinchilla: It really blindsided Obama.

To be fair, Obama prepared to debate the positions Romney had advocated during most of his campaign. He wasn't prepared for Romney to essentially steal Obama's positions, add in a bullet-pointed list, and throw in a layer of, "I can cut taxes better than him."


Oh, I fully realize that. My question is how, in fact, DO you respond to that effectively? I mean, its such a lie people who actually know the policy positions were all saying "who the fark is this guy and where did you put Mitt Romney?" You wouldn't think an adequate response would even be necessary since its so obviously ridiculous. But yet, here we are.
2012-10-08 11:25:16 AM
1 votes:

Wicked Chinchilla: It really blindsided Obama.


To be fair, Obama prepared to debate the positions Romney had advocated during most of his campaign. He wasn't prepared for Romney to essentially steal Obama's positions, add in a bullet-pointed list, and throw in a layer of, "I can cut taxes better than him."
MFL
2012-10-08 11:24:09 AM
1 votes:
The Great EZE SmartestFunniestLook, Obama's not going to win by playing Romney's game. He needs to get back to being himself. Even when he doesn't debate well, he still connects to the middle class, shows them who's holding them back, and offers a clear understandable path to upward mobility. He lost Wednesday because he didn't do that, not because he wasn't the bigger bully. Stop trying to turn a finesse tactician into a pit fighter.

Obama lost this debate because as Newt said so elequently yesterday on meet the press "17 words than an attack on Mitt Romney is not a vision for the future for a sitting president."

1. He has no vision.
2. He has a record that is almost impossible to defend.
3. He has to stand there fully exposed and completely himself - a cypher, facing a superior man and candidate. 

Obama is like Notre Dame in a BCS bowl.
2012-10-08 11:01:13 AM
1 votes:

EvilEgg: The Great EZE: Holy shiat, the number of back-handed swipes at the President's performance in TFA would make Free Republic proud.

Liberals really need to get their anger-management in check, and I'm saying this as a 100% sincere left-of-centrist. I know Obama represents the last best hope to keep Conservatives from running roughshod over the country, but if you want him to start acting like a petulant, combative message board user don't hold your breath.

Liberals are supposed to be the ones with facts and reason on their side. Now they want to be the ones who play in the muck of lies and empty bluster against those with far more experience? I expected better.

Well, we want to win too. It'd be nice to win cleanly, but a win is a win.


OK, let's boil it down to cavemen.

You have two cavemen and one dead wildebeest (or whatever it was they ate). One caveman has a big club and is not afraid to use it. The other one is the same size, has a club but is loathe to use it, and observes that the wildebeest is big enough to share.

See if you can guess what happens to the wildebeest.

I too would hate to see a win by Obama by being as venal and mendacious as the GOP.
2012-10-08 10:58:16 AM
1 votes:

vegasj: So liberals are hoping for Biden to pull out a V and good debate to help Obama look good?!

BWAHAHAHAHHAAAA HAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAA HAHAHAHHAHAAAHAHAH

oh man.


Actually, I'm hoping Biden start to curse Ryan out like the whipping boy he is. They don't have time delay censors on VP debates :)
2012-10-08 10:48:06 AM
1 votes:

Cyclometh: EnviroDude: When you have to put your hope in a plagiarizing gaffe prone fool like Biden, give it up man....cause you are done.

God damn, son. Look at how stupid what you wrote is.



excessive drug use will do that. it kills brain cells.
2012-10-08 10:47:46 AM
1 votes:

Cletus C.: The fact is, Ryan is much younger, a fitness freak and the macho animal killer guy. Biden likes to come across as the tough guy but Ryan should kick his butt.

The debate will be in an octagon, won't it?


Ryan could tell him about the time he ran NY Marathon in 2:05.
2012-10-08 10:44:49 AM
1 votes:

czei: Good thing Biden has a secret weapon...


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2012-10-08 10:37:40 AM
1 votes:

madgonad: The debate should be great.


I have my doubts. Ryan is even better at talking in circles than Romney. I expect another train wreck of rehtorical nonsense that the punditry will call "winning."
2012-10-08 10:37:28 AM
1 votes:

Cletus C.: The fact is, Ryan is much younger, a fitness freak and the macho animal killer guy. Biden likes to come across as the tough guy but Ryan should kick his butt.

The debate will be in an octagon, won't it?


BIden has actually boxed, and Ryan has a glass jaw.
2012-10-08 10:36:47 AM
1 votes:

madgonad: If a candidate was ever to accuse his opponent of being a lying sack of shiat on national TV, it would be Biden. He is a loose canon that gets away with telling the truth when every other candidate will waffle.


I don't know if you noticed, but Romney flat-out called Obama a liar several times during his debate.

Of course, Romney was actually lying when he said that the President was lying, but I guess he figured it would somehow cancel things out.
2012-10-08 10:34:42 AM
1 votes:

Cletus C.: The fact is, Ryan is much younger, a fitness freak and the macho animal killer guy. Biden likes to come across as the tough guy but Ryan should kick his butt.

The debate will be in an octagon, won't it?


His marathon time is amazing.

myfivebest.com
2012-10-08 10:32:41 AM
1 votes:
The debate should be great.

If a candidate was ever to accuse his opponent of being a lying sack of shiat on national TV, it would be Biden. He is a loose canon that gets away with telling the truth when every other candidate will waffle.

Biden should also take the opportunity to focus on the 35-55 age group who Romney/Ryan want to disclude from Medicare and give a tiny voucher to pay for overpriced insurance which will absolutely screw them over. Ryan already has seniors scared over this and they aren't even the target. The big losers in the Ryan plan are Gen-X and younger Boomers.
2012-10-08 10:26:26 AM
1 votes:
Politically apathetic people generally don't watch VP debates.
MFL
2012-10-08 10:25:31 AM
1 votes:
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2012-10-08 10:24:27 AM
1 votes:

dehehn: NateGrey: Paul Ryan is going to make fact checkers work over time.

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So that no one can pay attention to them or have their opinion swayed by the tidal wave of lies. In American politics nice guys finish last, we want the bad boy who will lie and bully and make up the rules as he goes.


So you are for Chris Christie? He thinks he tough, but he is really just pushing around people who can't push back.
2012-10-08 10:19:51 AM
1 votes:

KrispyKritter: enjoy your smoke & mirrors, folks. election 2012 debate theatre is merely the most expensive pay-per-view event in history and the pugilists are making sure those ringside are getting plenty of entertainment for their dollar.

those cocksuckers don't fool me for one damn minute.


Right. Both sides are bad so vote Miss Piggy.
2012-10-08 10:18:45 AM
1 votes:
Noticed there's been a big upswing on "biden is stupid" rhetoric coming from a few of my co-workers. From overheard conversations, Rush and Michael Berry have been doing a massive amount of this the past week.
2012-10-08 10:17:36 AM
1 votes:
Odds are that the VP debate will simply be a mirror of the Presidential debate. It almost always is. Expect the Romney team to score 2-3 more points
2012-10-08 10:13:42 AM
1 votes:
enjoy your smoke & mirrors, folks. election 2012 debate theatre is merely the most expensive pay-per-view event in history and the pugilists are making sure those ringside are getting plenty of entertainment for their dollar.

those cocksuckers don't fool me for one damn minute.
2012-10-08 10:11:35 AM
1 votes:
If he shows up drinking a beer, I'll vote twice!

"Hold on, I gotta wipe the floor with this guy."

*belch*

"Go get some more cold ones."
 
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