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(New Europe)   Does Germany want Greece back on its feet or not?   (neurope.eu) divider line 18
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2012-10-08 08:48:25 AM
Feet, knees, whatever.
 
2012-10-08 08:56:00 AM
The Germans have always wanted close relations with Greece.
www.bookdrum.com
 
2012-10-08 08:56:55 AM
Nein. If Germany wanted the PIIGS to bounce back, they'd quit trying to enforce austerity measures that are crippling any chance of recovery. Now, there's widespread corruption in the institutions that are supposed to be helping to keep these countries afloat. Huge surprise. It's almost as though surrendering your national sovereignty and handing an entire continent over to bureaucrats under the control of the banking cartel was a bad idea.
 
2012-10-08 09:02:11 AM
No.
 
2012-10-08 09:41:52 AM

Philip Francis Queeg: The Germans have always wanted close relations with Greece.
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WTF is up with the guy with the pistol? Is it the starting gun for a marathon? Getting the drop on Apollo?
 
2012-10-08 10:10:40 AM
Uh...no. They don't give a flying f*ck.

(duh)
 
2012-10-08 10:57:52 AM
A low Euro benefits export heavy Germany. There seems to be quite a few people that don't get that the crisis is good for Germany.
 
2012-10-08 11:02:15 AM
The Greeks are going to have to, you know, get jobs and work.
 
2012-10-08 11:06:17 AM
they might wanna drop the 3 hour mid day lunch break :p
 
2012-10-08 11:09:35 AM
I thought on-all-fours was the national posture of Greece?
 
2012-10-08 12:02:51 PM

Philip Francis Queeg: The Germans have always wanted close relations with Greece.
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For which the residents of Moscow should be grateful.
 
mhd
2012-10-08 12:25:12 PM

Lupine Chemist: A low Euro benefits export heavy Germany.


But you'd be pretty crazy to think that you could ride that horse and not crash in the end. And come one, megalomaniac Germans?
 
2012-10-08 12:34:25 PM

miniflea: Philip Francis Queeg: The Germans have always wanted close relations with Greece.
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For which the residents of Moscow should be grateful.


The diversion for Marita etc. made little difference; as I recall from Alan Clark's work, the spring of 1941 was too muddy for operations in Belorussia and the Ukraine, no matter what. The only game-changer to come out of the Balkan campaign was the destruction of the German airborne forces on Crete; those would have come in handy in Russia, but I don't think you can call them "necessary" to success.

What was necessary was a clear objective; the Germans changed their objective enough times that they squandered most of a month dithering over which target (Moscow, Leningrad or the Crimea) was their most important goal for the 1941 campaign.

On top of that, there's the question of whether the German Army could have been supplied given the deficiencies in the Russian transport network of the day. Even if there had been a single focus of the effort, I doubt if the logistical capacity to accomplish that goal existed.
 
2012-10-08 02:52:04 PM
Warning: WILDLY nsfw language!

Don't worry, it's all a plot the Greeks to save us from the next German empire.

/such hilariously-awesome satire
/it's genius! GENIUS!
 
2012-10-08 03:09:46 PM

pdkl95: Warning: WILDLY nsfw language!

Don't worry, it's all a plot the Greeks to save us from the next German empire.

/such hilariously-awesome satire
/it's genius! GENIUS!


zee JEENyus Greek peepuh
 
2012-10-08 04:30:23 PM

LibertyHiller: The diversion for Marita etc. made little difference; as I recall from Alan Clark's work, the spring of 1941 was too muddy for operations in Belorussia and the Ukraine, no matter what.


This I have not heard before, but I suppose it makes sense. As for the lack of focus, you are right about that. The more I read about the eastern front the more Hitler looks like that micromanaging boss that has no idea what he's doing but fires anyone who has the gall to disagree with him. Just ask Guderian.

My own opinion is that even if things had gone perfectly for Germany and they had captured Moscow (lets even assume here that they capture it with a few weeks before winter sets in) the Red army would have encircled them during the winter, naturally Hitler would have refused retreat, and Stalingrad would have come a year early. Again, just my opinion.
 
2012-10-08 09:42:36 PM
Because 21st German middle class tax payers are just like the Waffen SS.
 
2012-10-08 10:50:12 PM

imontheinternet: Nein. If Germany wanted the PIIGS to bounce back, they'd quit trying to enforce austerity measures that are crippling any chance of recovery. Now, there's widespread corruption in the institutions that are supposed to be helping to keep these countries afloat. Huge surprise. It's almost as though surrendering your national sovereignty and handing an entire continent over to bureaucrats under the control of the banking cartel was a bad idea.


Oh yeah, because Greece did so well before (with its own legendary corruption), so the best way would be to throw money at them so they can continue as they please. Come on, they would be knocking on our doors again in a few years.
The problem with Greece is that most wealthy people don't pay their taxes. Doesn't really matter if their economy booms or not if it doesn't translate into more tax money. It would be stupid to give them farktons of money to stimulate their economy before they sort their shiat out.
 
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