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(Newsweek)   Many people have claimed near-death experiences, but few are as interesting or detailed as that of one neurosurgeon who describes seven days spent in Heaven while his brain was completely inactive   (thedailybeast.com) divider line 56
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2012-10-08 12:59:08 PM
24 votes:
I had a similar experience. I saw a soft light, and a beautiful blue sky, and swirling entities. I heard wonderful chimes, and then i seemed to see words that gave me great comfort:

blog.politekniktelkom.ac.id
2012-10-08 01:07:42 PM
8 votes:
I remember my experience perfectly. I knew that I was in a calm, peaceful place, but nothing quite like what we think of calm and peaceful on Earth. I knew I was happy, but again, it wasn't like any happiness I had felt before. This happiness was on another level, a level that is indescribable until you feel it. I wandered around for what seemed like days taking in the beauty that surrounded me. Angelic beings carried me to these vast, gorgeous gardens. I could see music in the air. The greatest pieces ever composed were nothing compared to the richness of the melodies of the afterlife. And then a being came to me, instantly recognizable as "God" or whomever one chooses as their God. He looked at me with the most caring eyes, and spoke in a voice more soothing than anything I could humanly comprehend. He asked me if I was scared, and I said I wasn't. He asked me why I was here, and I could not answer. Then he asked me if I wanted to go back. How could anyone truthfully say yes? This place was more perfect than perfect could be. And yet, I had this inner turmoil inside me. Just one little fight inside myself, and my mind got scared, and I said, "I'll move in with my auntie and uncle in Bel Air."
2012-10-08 10:44:55 AM
8 votes:
Higher than the clouds-immeasurably higher-flocks of transparent, shimmering beings arced across the sky, leaving long, streamerlike lines behind them. Birds? Angels? These words registered later, when I was writing down my recollections. But neither of these words do justice to the beings themselves, which were quite simply different from anything I have known on this planet. They were more advanced. Higher forms.


Streetlights?
2012-10-08 12:56:45 PM
6 votes:
RAAAARGH SHUT UP ALL YOU WEAK, SNIVELING BABIES WHO THINK LIFE HAS MEANING OR SOME GAY SHIAT LIKE THAT. WE ARE ANIMAL-MACHINES THAT SPRANG INEXPLICABLY FROM NOTHING AND WE EAT AND FARK AND DIE AND THAT IS ALL. NOTHING ELSE EXISTS AND ANYONE WHO SAYS OTHER WISE IS A LAME DICK WHO CANT DEAL WITH REALITY.

WHY DONT YOU FAIRIES GO BECOME REPUBLICANS AND VOTE FOR MITT ROMENY IF YOU BELIEVE THIS NANCY QUEER AND HIS HALLUCINATROY BULLSHIAT.
2012-10-08 01:15:43 PM
4 votes:
It gets stranger still. For most of my journey, someone else was with me. A woman. She was young, and I remember what she looked like in complete detail. She had high cheekbones and deep-blue eyes. Golden brown tresses framed her lovely face. When first I saw her, we were riding along together on an intricately patterned surface, which after a moment I recognized as the wing of a butterfly.

Tits or get off my butterfly wing, biatch.
2012-10-08 09:44:54 AM
4 votes:
i1.kym-cdn.com

Jesus, Aliens, whatever. A lack of evidence or understanding is not evidence of magic.
2012-10-08 01:03:23 PM
3 votes:

ELF Radio: RAAAARGH SHUT UP ALL YOU WEAK, SNIVELING BABIES WHO THINK LIFE HAS MEANING OR SOME GAY SHIAT LIKE THAT. WE ARE ANIMAL-MACHINES THAT SPRANG INEXPLICABLY FROM NOTHING AND WE EAT AND FARK AND DIE AND THAT IS ALL. NOTHING ELSE EXISTS AND ANYONE WHO SAYS OTHER WISE IS A LAME DICK WHO CANT DEAL WITH REALITY.

WHY DONT YOU FAIRIES GO BECOME REPUBLICANS AND VOTE FOR MITT ROMENY IF YOU BELIEVE THIS NANCY QUEER AND HIS HALLUCINATROY BULLSHIAT.


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2012-10-08 12:53:05 PM
3 votes:

Mr. Coffee Nerves: Sorry, folks. The afterlife is an eternity waiting on a Cinnabon line at O'Hare during a snowstorm on the day before Thanksgiving.


God closed that.

It's an Annie's Preztel's now I think.
2012-10-08 12:48:24 PM
3 votes:
Sorry, folks. The afterlife is an eternity waiting on a Cinnabon line at O'Hare during a snowstorm on the day before Thanksgiving.
2012-10-08 12:43:30 PM
3 votes:
Pics or it didn't happen
2012-10-08 03:22:30 PM
2 votes:
My near death experience was a vision of Zeus and Bigfoot locked in a passionate embrace. Lots of heavy petting, and some Scottish dudes playing bagpipes behind them. I know you think I'm joking, but I'm not, these are my personal beliefs therefore you're not allowed to laugh at me.
2012-10-08 02:47:24 PM
2 votes:

Jormungandr: This makes me think of that Dr. MacDougall and his measuring the weight of the dying back in 1907. Of the six tests he performed, four showed a drop in weight, one was interfered with by people opposed to his research and one patient died while he was still adjusting the scale. I wonder if such experiments could be repeated today, we have much more sensitive equipment now. People die all the time in hospitals of long term illness so it shouldn't be too hard to find someone who is both dying and willing to have their bed on a scale while they do it.

/I'd do it!


Maybe you could even capture these souls in jars and make them fight. Like Pokemon.
2012-10-08 01:24:29 PM
2 votes:

ELF Radio: RAAAARGH SHUT UP ALL YOU WEAK, SNIVELING BABIES WHO THINK LIFE HAS MEANING OR SOME GAY SHIAT LIKE THAT. WE ARE ANIMAL-MACHINES THAT SPRANG INEXPLICABLY FROM NOTHING AND WE EAT AND FARK AND DIE AND THAT IS ALL. NOTHING ELSE EXISTS AND ANYONE WHO SAYS OTHER WISE IS A LAME DICK WHO CANT DEAL WITH REALITY.

WHY DONT YOU FAIRIES GO BECOME REPUBLICANS AND VOTE FOR MITT ROMENY IF YOU BELIEVE THIS NANCY QUEER AND HIS HALLUCINATROY BULLSHIAT.


All CAPS strawman == weapon's grade stupidity == welcome to ignore
2012-10-08 01:01:07 PM
2 votes:
Hmm...man in Heaven while brain inactive? I've done that--it's called being in love with the wrong woman. When I woke up, I found myself in Hell.
/Now, I'm just in Purgatory.
2012-10-09 08:44:53 AM
1 votes:
I once went through this after dying on the operating table.

There was a huge room, only it seemed very little, with high expansive beams made out of some sort of transparent material, which was glowing. I was surrounded by dolls of various heights and colours. They began their revolting work. They resembled hideous torturers, blood flowing on their hands as they dug ever more deeply into the frigid corpse of a girrafe and pulled out its innards, like white cooks gutting a goose. Around their arms coiled the intestines-green-yellow snakes-and faeces dripped on their coats-a warm, putrid fluid.

They punctured the bladder, the cold urine in it glistening like yellow wine. They poured it in large bowls, and it reeked of pungent, acrid ammonia. Then suddenly, there was the sound of some angelic violin, only the violin was made out of the screams of a thousand tortured frogs.

There was a fog clearing, and suddenly I was surrounded by Justin Beibers, a trillion of them, shrieking the shriek of the damned, and then they merged into one while the room became like ice. The thing that lay half-bent on its side in a foetid pool of greenish-yellow ichor and tarry stickiness was almost nine feet tall, and a dog had torn off all the clothing and some of the skin. It was not quite dead, but twitched silently and spasmodically while its chest heaved in monstrous unison with the mad piping of the not-violins. Bits of shoe-leather and fragments of apparel were scattered about the room, and just inside the window an empty canvas sack lay where it had evidently been thrown.

Suddenly, the Beiber-thing spoke! "For the love of heaven,' he said nervously, 'don't give my idea such real importance! There's no proof that existence is possible outside of our three ordinary dimensions. Just as we've never discovered any two-dimensional beings from the world of surfaces, or one-dimensional beings from the linear world, we must be indiscernible to beings, if there are any, who live in worlds having more dimensions than ours. I'm in no mood to give you a lesson in hypergeometry, Paulseta, but I'm sure of one thing: there are spaces different from ours."

I wept at this. 'Oh, why did I have to listen to you?' I yelled at the Beiber-thing. 'Now I fear for you. That thing I see poking out of the floor and following me with it's shriek is not a thing. That is a Beiber! It's the thing people fear above all others, in every sea in the world. It's a dreadful and mysterious beast, more cunning than man. For reasons that perhaps no one will ever know, it chooses its victim, and when it has chosen a man, it pursues him for years and years, for a lifetime, until it devours him. And the strange thing is that nobody can see him but the victim himself and blood relations.'

Suddenly, almost on cue, a Nickleback CD began to play from some sort of celestial hi-fi.

To listen to The Nickleback was to lose one's will to the band and forever be the creature's slave. Obedient, the victims rise from the beds, leave the security of their homes and go out in nightclothes, like sleepwalkers, heading toward that band of Hell, which rejoiced in any new prey. The victims go to the band, oblivious of the mud that squelches under their feet, not realising they are padding through the marsh. And the creature will draw back, retreating further to lure its prey into the slimy depths that capture and swallow its victims without mercy.

It was like the noise of a million ears rupturing at once. Terrible, frantic, really annoying.

I started to drift back to the operating table then, and new with certainty that within every living thing is a starlike piece. Those within human beings are bright, and those within children are the brightest of all. As people age, the starlike parts grow dim as though with distance, except in the cases of certain geniuses and halfwits. As I awoke, I asked the surgeon what the time was.

He looked at me, and quietly mumbled: "It's Friday, Friday, gotta get down on Friday. Partying partying yeah. Partying partying yeah."

I am sometimes concerned that I never made it back from the afterlife at all.

My experience of the afterlife may not tie in with the good Doctor's, but it's perfectly valid.
2012-10-09 02:52:52 AM
1 votes:
I've experienced deja vu. Very weird. Until someone figured out that the brain normally routes sensations to short term memory and then picks and chooses which to pass on to long term memory. Except when this momentarily breaks down, and the experience is sent to long term memory in parallel, and saved while short term memory is still processing. Short term memory then tries to forward to long term memory except that the memory is already there, creating two copies of the same event in long term memory. Hence the deja vu effect. We haven't learned every thing about the brain, but my money is on science over religion.

My real question is this- If he really, really, really, believes 'heaven' is so wonderful, why didn't he
immediate kill himself to get back to it?
As a doctor, why is he still saving lives and denying his patients the peace of the afterlife?


Old joke, but makes my point

An 85-year-old couple, having been married almost 60 years, died in a car crash. They had been in good health the last 10 years, mainly due to the wife's interest in health food and exercise.

When they reached the Pearly Gates, St. Peter took them to their mansion, which was decked out with a beautiful kitchen and master bath suite and Jacuzzi.

As they "oohed and aahed," the old man asked Peter how much all this was going to cost.

"It's free," Peter replied, "this is Heaven."

Next they went out back to survey the championship golf course that the home backed up to. They would have golfing privileges every day, and each week the course changed to a new one, representing the great golf courses on Earth. The old man asked, "What are the green fees?"

Peter's reply, "This is Heaven, you play for free."

Next they went to the club house and saw the lavish buffet lunch with the cuisines of the world laid out.

"How much to eat?" asked the old man. "Don't you understand yet? This is Heaven, it's free!" Peter replied with some exasperation.

"Well, where are the low-fat and low-cholesterol tables?" the old man asked timidly.

Peter lectured, "That's the best part -- you can eat as much as you like of whatever you like, and you never get fat or sick. This is Heaven."

With that the old man went into a fit of anger, throwing down his hat and stomping on it, shrieking wildly.

Peter and his wife both tried to calm him down, asking him what was wrong.

The old man looked at his wife and said, "This is all your fault. If it weren't for your bran muffins, I could have been here 10 years ago!"
2012-10-09 01:37:55 AM
1 votes:
In a nutshell, the problem with trying to discuss this sort of thing, is this:

McCoy: Perhaps, we could cover a little philosophical ground. Life
[pause]
McCoy: Death
[pause]
McCoy: Life.
[pause]
McCoy: Things of that nature.
Spock: I did not have time on Vulcan to review the philosophical disciplines.
McCoy: C'mon, Spock, it's me, McCoy. You really have gone where no man's gone before. Can't you tell me what it felt like?
Spock: It would be impossible to discuss the subject without a common frame-of-reference.
McCoy: You're joking!
Spock: A joke
[pause]
Spock: is a story with a humorous climax.
McCoy: You mean I have to die to discuss your insights on death?
Spock: Forgive me, Doctor. I am receiving a number of distress calls.
McCoy: I don't doubt it.
2012-10-09 12:38:09 AM
1 votes:

DeadGeek: FTFA: "When first I saw her, we were riding along together on an intricately patterned surface"

[dettoldisney.files.wordpress.com image 399x236]


This one time, I did so many whippets...
2012-10-08 06:37:16 PM
1 votes:

BraveNewCheneyWorld: boyofd: BraveNewCheneyWorld: Poppa Boner: The only people who know what happens after you die are dead.

You could always invest your time into learning astral projection. The information on how to do so is out there for free, if you want to make an actual study of the phenomena yourself (that is, if you trust your own perception). If you're willing to dedicate a couple hours a day over the course of a year at most to discover the answer to the biggest mystery in the universe, you could do worse.

"Trusting your own perception" is the first step down the road to all kinds of wrong conclusions. Until you understand just how easily your own perceptions can be fooled and manipulated (or just how often they are fooled and manipulated during the course of an ordinary day), you are just going to spin your wheels. I guess my metaphors are at a crossroads.

Like I said, it's illegal and unethical to bring other people, even if they willingly volunteer to the brink of death. Do you propose some alternative experiment?

No, really, what evidence within the realm of law would be acceptable as proof?


upload.wikimedia.org
2012-10-08 05:15:30 PM
1 votes:
The message had three parts, and if I had to translate them into earthly language, I'd say they ran something like this:

"You are loved and cherished, dearly, forever."

"You have nothing to fear."

"There is nothing you can do wrong."


Heaven is Zombo.com????????
GBB [TotalFark]
2012-10-08 04:38:41 PM
1 votes:
I don't know about you, but I can't trust a guy that got kicked out of heaven within a week.
2012-10-08 04:05:56 PM
1 votes:

The Billdozer: Gaius: Following a car accident, I spent a week in an induced coma. The coma is so deep that there is virtually no brain activity so you are put on life support. I don't remember a damn thing about it; no lights, no voices, nothing.

That's what makes these experiences of NDEs (and Out of Body experiences, especially when they have verified information) so interesting. To our understanding of science and neuroscience in particular, they absolutely should not happen. Period. When people are conscious during life-threatening situations or just after being resuscitated, they usually are distressed, jumbled, groggy, disorganized and unaware of events. The NDE experiences describe experiences that are completely coherent, aware, and more real than reality itself. When people go on DMT trips, they experience a distorted view of reality and are aware that it is distorted. NDE experiences describe something that feels realer than real and nothing that would be out of the ordinary (distorted body image, elongated limbs, etc.) aside from being dead. And while there are a few negative ones, most have certain basic similarities about knowledge of existence, universal love and acceptance, etc and although some do have eastern/western religious influence, not many are "Ok, here's Jesus taking me to see St. Peter in heaven" but of something that is basically a universal feeling of love and oneness. Or, at least that is what is reported.


I had a religious upbringing, although I never truly believed. Studying philosophy in college further reinforced that feeling, and instilled in me an Epicurean view on death; that there is nothing after life. Perhaps my views on life and death influenced me on the most basic of subconscious levels, preventing a NDE.

Whatever the case, after reading this article I feel jipped.
2012-10-08 04:00:27 PM
1 votes:

Poppa Boner:
t1.gstatic.com
THE BIBLE ISN'T FREAKING SCIENCE AND NEITHER IS THIS GUY'S DREAM!


Dude.
2012-10-08 03:38:11 PM
1 votes:

czetie: Again: show me the verified instance where somebody having an out-of-body experience described what was unexpectedly on the top shelf and you have something more than the subjective experience of the brain messing around.


Too bad he has me on ignore, I posted exactly this.
2012-10-08 03:21:40 PM
1 votes:
Heaven Is Real: A Doctor's Experience With the Afterlife

Sounds like something a braindead person would say.
2012-10-08 03:04:10 PM
1 votes:
It bugs me that a person (or soul) who isn't actually dead would be allowed into Heaven. It goes against my imaginary conception of Heaven to think that you could sneak in while in a coma, and then be let back out.

You'd think they'd have some policies in place around that situation.
2012-10-08 02:36:17 PM
1 votes:

nmemkha: Now who is the one being pedantic?


No one. They're generally meaningless words. You could've said "blompablump" instead and made yourself approximately as clear. "Spirituality" seems to encompass everything from feeling good on a sunny day to communing with alien mind energy crystals.

It's becoming rather clear that you're just a moron. I'm sorry about this, but everything you write seems to have a slick layer of "not quite up to the level of discussion" smeared all over it, which considering the level of discussion is rather sad. Maybe you'll be reincarnated as something smarter in the future.
2012-10-08 02:31:51 PM
1 votes:
FTFA: "When first I saw her, we were riding along together on an intricately patterned surface"

dettoldisney.files.wordpress.com
2012-10-08 02:26:28 PM
1 votes:
Tweet of God:
99.9999% of all near death experiences end in death.
2012-10-08 01:54:50 PM
1 votes:

meta1hed: xanadian: Mugato: /how come no one has near death experiences of Hell, anyway?

Because *that* is truly an invention of man, meant to keep us under the thumbs of the ruling elite.

23 Minutes in Hell


So please...remember to give money to your church, or you're going to hell.
2012-10-08 01:45:10 PM
1 votes:
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The doctor in question and his companion.

FTFA: For most of my journey, someone else was with me. A woman. She was young, and I remember what she looked like in complete detail. She had high cheekbones and deep-blue eyes. Golden brown tresses framed her lovely face.  

I'm sorry, doctor, slashie fan-fiction doesn't really cut it as science. Unless it's C3P0/Chewie
2012-10-08 01:40:49 PM
1 votes:
Based on the teachings of Belinda Carlisle during my formative teenage years, I was led to believe that heaven is a place on earth. Now this?
2012-10-08 01:38:27 PM
1 votes:
I look forward to a multi-locational, double-blind experiment, with a significant number of subjects, to replicate these findings.
2012-10-08 01:34:23 PM
1 votes:
As after-death experience reports go, I give it a C-. I mean really--blue eyes and golden brown tresses? If he'd told me it was a short, fat, balding man of vaguely Mediterranean experience with a raspy voice and a goiter, it might have been a C. You give me axe-swinging Vikings and endless hallowed fields of ice and crystal, we're maybe talking B-. You tell me you had to stand in line at something like a DMV, and they told you that you had the wrong form--now I'm a believer.

But a lovely young woman with blue eyes and golden brown tresses? That booming sound you heard was the sound of a dozen laptops banging out the script for the inevitable TV series based on the bestseller book THIS FALL ON FOX. "America's Got Angels." "So You Think You Can Vegetate." "Angels Gone Wild."
2012-10-08 01:19:05 PM
1 votes:
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Neelix calls bullshiat.
2012-10-08 01:15:12 PM
1 votes:

ELF Radio: RAAAARGH SHUT UP ALL YOU WEAK, SNIVELING BABIES WHO THINK LIFE HAS MEANING OR SOME GAY SHIAT LIKE THAT. WE ARE ANIMAL-MACHINES THAT SPRANG INEXPLICABLY FROM NOTHING AND WE EAT AND FARK AND DIE AND THAT IS ALL. NOTHING ELSE EXISTS AND ANYONE WHO SAYS OTHER WISE IS A LAME DICK WHO CANT DEAL WITH REALITY.

WHY DONT YOU FAIRIES GO BECOME REPUBLICANS AND VOTE FOR MITT ROMENY IF YOU BELIEVE THIS NANCY QUEER AND HIS HALLUCINATROY BULLSHIAT.


Lucid and logical counterpoint, presented politely and with civility. You've convinced me with your persuasiveness.

/assbag
2012-10-08 01:14:42 PM
1 votes:

kombat_unit: "the human part of my brain"

So, he's a cyborg?


Doctors often refer to the more 'primitive" brain stem, the part which controls automatic functions such as heart rate and breathing, as the "lizard brain". So he's a lizard-cyborg. Mecha-Godzilla?
2012-10-08 01:08:55 PM
1 votes:
Things Newsweek could have put on the front cover:

New Revelations about the Benghazi Attack

The Presidential Debate

Israel and Iran at the UN and Nuclear Brinksmanship

Turkey vs Syria

Spain and the European Economic Crisis

Venezuela's Election


Newsweek is worthless fishwrap.
2012-10-08 01:08:14 PM
1 votes:

SpectroBoy: I experienced something so profound that it gave me a scientific reason to believe in consciousness after death.

You know how I know he isn't a scientist?


Hint: One personal subjective experience is NEVER a basis for science.


I assume that, as a scientist, he'll be replicating the conditions to confirm his observations.
2012-10-08 01:03:53 PM
1 votes:
also, i'm glad to see the "this guy is full of shiate and wants to sell his book" is covered.
Slu
2012-10-08 01:01:56 PM
1 votes:
*cough*bullshiat*cough*
2012-10-08 01:01:10 PM
1 votes:
I hope he chokes on a cock and really dies this time.
2012-10-08 12:59:26 PM
1 votes:
So observable events like polar ice caps melting and rises in global temperature can be dismissed but some christian clown having a dream is PROOF that heaven exist?

Makes sense to me.
2012-10-08 12:58:46 PM
1 votes:
The brain tries to make sense of the data it receives. The result is always a subjective experience even while awake.
We are not souls observing a single universe through the windows of our eyes.
We are billions of brains developing billions of imperfect models from the incomplete reports of our senses.
2012-10-08 12:57:58 PM
1 votes:

ELF Radio: RAAAARGH SHUT UP ALL YOU WEAK, SNIVELING BABIES WHO THINK LIFE HAS MEANING OR SOME GAY SHIAT LIKE THAT. WE ARE ANIMAL-MACHINES THAT SPRANG INEXPLICABLY FROM NOTHING AND WE EAT AND FARK AND DIE AND THAT IS ALL. NOTHING ELSE EXISTS AND ANYONE WHO SAYS OTHER WISE IS A LAME DICK WHO CANT DEAL WITH REALITY.

WHY DONT YOU FAIRIES GO BECOME REPUBLICANS AND VOTE FOR MITT ROMENY IF YOU BELIEVE THIS NANCY QUEER AND HIS HALLUCINATROY BULLSHIAT.


You've got my vote.
2012-10-08 12:55:33 PM
1 votes:
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I've been to hell. That is Satan's V6 Mustang. He's the manager.
2012-10-08 12:55:00 PM
1 votes:

EyeballKid: Newsweek: Just Throwing Some Shiat on a Wall and Seeing What Will Stick.


Newsweek: Oh God Please Buy A Copy We're Starving Here. Jerry Mows Lawns on the Weekend Just To Get By. I Have 9 Credit Cards Maxed. We'll Talk About God, Sex, Football, American Idol, Whatever You Want
2012-10-08 12:54:56 PM
1 votes:
I remember heaven. She was a petite blonde with eyes the color of a spring morning. She had freckles on her nose and an infectious smile. She is the one I will always regret losing, the one that haunts my dreams and makes me melancholy even on the brightest day. I remember heaven.
2012-10-08 12:50:46 PM
1 votes:
"the human part of my brain"

So, he's a cyborg?
2012-10-08 12:50:42 PM
1 votes:
I had the exact same experience where i realized that the whole universe was less than a speck. It happened in a second. I was tripping balls
2012-10-08 12:48:25 PM
1 votes:
Newsweek: Just Throwing Some Shiat on a Wall and Seeing What Will Stick.
2012-10-08 12:44:01 PM
1 votes:
Spent time in heaven....

encrypted-tbn1.gstatic.com


Spent time in hell...

encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com


Didn't need a coma to see either.
2012-10-08 11:24:28 AM
1 votes:

AbbeySomeone: Attitudes like yours are why more people don't share their experiences. If it hasn't happened to you or it's something you can't imagine or understand it isn't real, right?



And by "share" you mean charging $10 on Amazon, correct?
2012-10-08 10:26:21 AM
1 votes:

logistic: Although I considered myself a faithful Christian

Loses any trace of credibility at this precise point. Not arguing one way or another, but his opinion is nixed by this statement.


You didn't finish the sentence. I was so more in name than in actual belief. So according to the Bible, he wouldn't be in heaven, he'd be in Hell!

/how come no one has near death experiences of Hell, anyway?
2012-10-08 09:42:23 AM
1 votes:

Babwa Wawa: You're not going to know jack sh*t until you are dead. Dead-dead, not "turned-off dead". Anyone claiming certainty on the matter is either delusional or a charlatan. When you've got a book deal like TFA, I'm banking on the latter.


Just the fact that he didnt "Die Die" as you'd have it doesnt mean that just him surviving alone is a miraculous outcome. (notice, I didnt use the word "miracle"). As a fellow scientist by education, I found the article to be at the very least interesting and I have no reason to attack him or others for his change of belief based on his own individual observation.

You've posted twice in this discussion already - are you so afraid of something you cannot believe or so angry that you dont want to let people find calming words about their own death, even if it is misguided? What's the harm in letting others have their own beliefs, even you must acknowledge that after death it wont matter and wont change the outcome of their beliefs they hold while alive?
2012-10-08 09:05:14 AM
1 votes:
Interesting article. Good find, subby
 
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