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(Newsweek)   Many people have claimed near-death experiences, but few are as interesting or detailed as that of one neurosurgeon who describes seven days spent in Heaven while his brain was completely inactive   (thedailybeast.com) divider line 543
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2012-10-08 12:55:53 PM
Oh Boy Time for Some Skeptoid.

http://skeptoid.com/episodes/4261 - Near Death Experiences

Link
A comparison of the effects of hypoxia to the reports of a brush with the afterlife.

tl;dr podcast link - http://skeptoid.com/audio/skeptoid-4261.mp3

Link

Penn and Teller Ouiji Board and Near Death Experiences

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zLFV4DTPCPc Full episode.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zLFV4DTPCPc
 
2012-10-08 12:56:45 PM
RAAAARGH SHUT UP ALL YOU WEAK, SNIVELING BABIES WHO THINK LIFE HAS MEANING OR SOME GAY SHIAT LIKE THAT. WE ARE ANIMAL-MACHINES THAT SPRANG INEXPLICABLY FROM NOTHING AND WE EAT AND FARK AND DIE AND THAT IS ALL. NOTHING ELSE EXISTS AND ANYONE WHO SAYS OTHER WISE IS A LAME DICK WHO CANT DEAL WITH REALITY.

WHY DONT YOU FAIRIES GO BECOME REPUBLICANS AND VOTE FOR MITT ROMENY IF YOU BELIEVE THIS NANCY QUEER AND HIS HALLUCINATROY BULLSHIAT.
 
2012-10-08 12:57:05 PM
I know how pronouncements like mine sound to skeptics, so I will tell my story with the logic and language of the scientist I am.
[...]
According to current medical understanding of the brain and mind, there is absolutely no way that I could have experienced even a dim and limited consciousness during my time in the coma, much less the hyper-vivid and completely coherent odyssey I underwent.
[...]
Higher than the clouds-immeasurably higher-flocks of transparent, shimmering beings arced across the sky, leaving long, streamerlike lines behind them.
[...]
Everything was distinct, yet everything was also a part of everything else, like the rich and intermingled designs on a Persian carpet ... or a butterfly's wing.


Yeah...thanks for that coherent and scientific account, doc.
 
2012-10-08 12:57:23 PM
There is no scientific explanation for the fact that while my body lay in coma, my mind-my conscious, inner self-was alive and well.

Obviously, then, it must be magic.
 
2012-10-08 12:57:58 PM

ELF Radio: RAAAARGH SHUT UP ALL YOU WEAK, SNIVELING BABIES WHO THINK LIFE HAS MEANING OR SOME GAY SHIAT LIKE THAT. WE ARE ANIMAL-MACHINES THAT SPRANG INEXPLICABLY FROM NOTHING AND WE EAT AND FARK AND DIE AND THAT IS ALL. NOTHING ELSE EXISTS AND ANYONE WHO SAYS OTHER WISE IS A LAME DICK WHO CANT DEAL WITH REALITY.

WHY DONT YOU FAIRIES GO BECOME REPUBLICANS AND VOTE FOR MITT ROMENY IF YOU BELIEVE THIS NANCY QUEER AND HIS HALLUCINATROY BULLSHIAT.


You've got my vote.
 
2012-10-08 12:58:10 PM

Canton: That struck me as interesting, too. The brain is a flexible organ. Granted, it's more flexible in childhood than adulthood, but even in adulthood it can learn, adapt, rewire itself, etc. Could it have adapted in interesting ways while the doctor was in a coma? The fact that he's a churchgoer means he already had some ingrained ideas about heaven and the afterlife that could easily have shaped his coma experiences.

Not judging, just questioning. The brain is a weird organ.


NDE type things happen to some people when their brain is subjected to stress. Trauma is one cause but it has been replicated in blackout centrifuges as well. As the blood drains away from the brain some people just pass out, others have hallucinations like NDEs. You don't have to actually be near death.

Thus far I'm not aware of any explanation as to why only some people are affected (about 10%).
 
2012-10-08 12:58:37 PM

xanadian: Quantum Apostrophe: xanadian: Ya know, I had always thought of the brain as little more than our own personal radio. It picks up transmissions from what we call "our soul" and interprets them in such a way that it manifests as what we think of as reality. Just because the radio's switched off (or run over because you left it out on the driveway while washing your car, then never bothered to pick it up before running it over) doesn't mean the transmissions aren't still there, nor that the signal isn't stored in some other way for future retrieval.

However, one doctor's anecdote does not constitute proof of anything, really, either my POV or anyone else's. We also may find that the "human" part of our brain is NOT the seat of consciousness, but it rests elsewhere, or it's a synergistic effect of many different parts of the brain.

The jury's still out.

Where are the new souls coming from?

The goff is empty, hence, the end of the world.

/or whatever it was called


Sounds like a bunch of guff to me.
 
kgf
2012-10-08 12:58:38 PM
Hmmm, a megalomaniac brain surgeon? Impossible!!!

So this guy is now a prophet too. Bet that sells a lot of books.
 
2012-10-08 12:58:46 PM
The brain tries to make sense of the data it receives. The result is always a subjective experience even while awake.
We are not souls observing a single universe through the windows of our eyes.
We are billions of brains developing billions of imperfect models from the incomplete reports of our senses.
 
2012-10-08 12:58:53 PM
Toward the beginning of my adventure, I was in a place of clouds. Big, puffy, pink-white ones that showed up sharply against the deep blue-black skHigher than the clouds-immeasurably higher-flocks of transparent, shimmering beings arced across the sky, leaving long, streamerlike lines behind them.

This is the most concerning part to me. Not only did he experience heaven, in his estimation, but he experienced the traditional description of heaven. He admits he was born and raised Christian, and remarkably his near-death experience happens to be exactly like everything he was (probably) told it would be like since he was a child. Angels? Check. Choirs? Check.

It makes me think about the rare times I actually take naps during the day. I'll sleep for maybe an hour or two, but I'll sometimes dream like I've been in school all day (high-school, sometimes, which is amusing since that's long-past), or at work all day. I know I couldn't possibly have dreamt a full 8-hour workday in the 90 minutes I was a sleep, but it sure feels like it. Why couldn't the same thing happened to him? 

Neat story regardless, just seems way too convenient.
 
2012-10-08 12:58:56 PM

RanDomino: There is no scientific explanation for the fact that while my body lay in coma, my mind-my conscious, inner self-was alive and well.

Obviously, then, it must be magic.


Magic, don't got to explain shiat!
 
2012-10-08 12:59:08 PM
I had a similar experience. I saw a soft light, and a beautiful blue sky, and swirling entities. I heard wonderful chimes, and then i seemed to see words that gave me great comfort:

blog.politekniktelkom.ac.id
 
2012-10-08 12:59:26 PM
So observable events like polar ice caps melting and rises in global temperature can be dismissed but some christian clown having a dream is PROOF that heaven exist?

Makes sense to me.
 
2012-10-08 01:00:02 PM
I hope he's right. His afterlife seems pretty damn cool.
 
2012-10-08 01:01:02 PM
I recall watching this Dr's experience on the TV show I Survived; Beyond & Back. I immediately thought the Dr was kind of coo coo but why on earth would anyone make this shiat up?



/Shrugs
 
2012-10-08 01:01:07 PM
Hmm...man in Heaven while brain inactive? I've done that--it's called being in love with the wrong woman. When I woke up, I found myself in Hell.
/Now, I'm just in Purgatory.
 
2012-10-08 01:01:10 PM
I hope he chokes on a cock and really dies this time.
 
2012-10-08 01:01:28 PM
I wonder if he would have seen something different during that time if he was not a Christian.
 
Slu
2012-10-08 01:01:56 PM
*cough*bullshiat*cough*
 
2012-10-08 01:02:11 PM

RanDomino: There is no scientific explanation for the fact that while my body lay in coma, my mind-my conscious, inner self-was alive and well.

Obviously, then, it must be magic.


Of course! Or those who say the mind is actually an electromagnetic field interfacing with the brain are on to something.
 
2012-10-08 01:02:21 PM
i can only hope that my brother went to that place a year and a month ago.
i can only hope i get to see him there when i am done.
 
2012-10-08 01:02:32 PM

Quantum Apostrophe: Where are the new souls coming from?


i have a theory for that. At the death of the human body, the soul splits into innumerable bits which go back into the "supply" and meld up with other bits of souls. This is why so many people can claim to be famous people. They all have a bit of that "soul"

disclaimer: this is "My" religious belief, ymmv.
 
2012-10-08 01:03:05 PM
I find Atheists interesting. They dismiss anything that does not fit their narrow worldview out-of-hand and are generally mocking and condescending to the views of others.
 
2012-10-08 01:03:23 PM

ELF Radio: RAAAARGH SHUT UP ALL YOU WEAK, SNIVELING BABIES WHO THINK LIFE HAS MEANING OR SOME GAY SHIAT LIKE THAT. WE ARE ANIMAL-MACHINES THAT SPRANG INEXPLICABLY FROM NOTHING AND WE EAT AND FARK AND DIE AND THAT IS ALL. NOTHING ELSE EXISTS AND ANYONE WHO SAYS OTHER WISE IS A LAME DICK WHO CANT DEAL WITH REALITY.

WHY DONT YOU FAIRIES GO BECOME REPUBLICANS AND VOTE FOR MITT ROMENY IF YOU BELIEVE THIS NANCY QUEER AND HIS HALLUCINATROY BULLSHIAT.


images.sodahead.com
 
2012-10-08 01:03:53 PM
also, i'm glad to see the "this guy is full of shiate and wants to sell his book" is covered.
 
2012-10-08 01:04:41 PM
I experienced something so profound that it gave me a scientific reason to believe in consciousness after death.

You know how I know he isn't a scientist?


Hint: One personal subjective experience is NEVER a basis for science.
 
2012-10-08 01:05:25 PM
Can we get someone who has had an out of body experience to take DMT and then tell me. If it's the same, because I would really like to know. I mean sure, I can take some DMT and get my own experience, but I'm not all into having a near death experience. No matter how controlled, they make scary movies about that kind of thing.
 
2012-10-08 01:05:37 PM

cowsspinach: I recall watching this Dr's experience on the TV show I Survived; Beyond & Back. I immediately thought the Dr was kind of coo coo but why on earth would anyone make this shiat up?


To get on TV.
 
2012-10-08 01:05:50 PM

Poppa Boner: So observable events like polar ice caps melting and rises in global temperature can be dismissed but some christian clown having a dream is PROOF that heaven exist?

Makes sense to me.


well played
 
2012-10-08 01:06:58 PM

aelat: This is the most concerning part to me. Not only did he experience heaven, in his estimation, but he experienced the traditional description of heaven. He admits he was born and raised Christian, and remarkably his near-death experience happens to be exactly like everything he was (probably) told it would be like since he was a child. Angels? Check. Choirs? Check.

It makes me think about the rare times I actually take naps during the day. I'll sleep for maybe an hour or two, but I'll sometimes dream like I've been in school all day (high-school, sometimes, which is amusing since that's long-past), or at work all day. I know I couldn't possibly have dreamt a full 8-hour workday in the 90 minutes I was a sleep, but it sure feels like it. Why couldn't the same thing happened to him?

Neat story regardless, just seems way too convenient.



Exactly. Then he goes back to church and ADMITS the stained glass windows remind him of the "heaven" he just saw and the organ reminds him of the sounds he heard.
He seems like a smart enough guy...but not too logical.
 
2012-10-08 01:07:32 PM
Pleasant story - I hope that is how it all goes down in the end.
 
2012-10-08 01:07:42 PM
I remember my experience perfectly. I knew that I was in a calm, peaceful place, but nothing quite like what we think of calm and peaceful on Earth. I knew I was happy, but again, it wasn't like any happiness I had felt before. This happiness was on another level, a level that is indescribable until you feel it. I wandered around for what seemed like days taking in the beauty that surrounded me. Angelic beings carried me to these vast, gorgeous gardens. I could see music in the air. The greatest pieces ever composed were nothing compared to the richness of the melodies of the afterlife. And then a being came to me, instantly recognizable as "God" or whomever one chooses as their God. He looked at me with the most caring eyes, and spoke in a voice more soothing than anything I could humanly comprehend. He asked me if I was scared, and I said I wasn't. He asked me why I was here, and I could not answer. Then he asked me if I wanted to go back. How could anyone truthfully say yes? This place was more perfect than perfect could be. And yet, I had this inner turmoil inside me. Just one little fight inside myself, and my mind got scared, and I said, "I'll move in with my auntie and uncle in Bel Air."
 
2012-10-08 01:07:46 PM

ELF Radio: RAAAARGH SHUT UP ALL YOU WEAK, SNIVELING BABIES WHO THINK LIFE HAS MEANING OR SOME GAY SHIAT LIKE THAT. WE ARE ANIMAL-MACHINES THAT SPRANG INEXPLICABLY FROM NOTHING AND WE EAT AND FARK AND DIE AND THAT IS ALL. NOTHING ELSE EXISTS AND ANYONE WHO SAYS OTHER WISE IS A LAME DICK WHO CANT DEAL WITH REALITY.

WHY DONT YOU FAIRIES GO BECOME REPUBLICANS AND VOTE FOR MITT ROMENY IF YOU BELIEVE THIS NANCY QUEER AND HIS HALLUCINATROY BULLSHIAT.



2/10 I think the caps lock killed it.
 
2012-10-08 01:08:14 PM

SpectroBoy: I experienced something so profound that it gave me a scientific reason to believe in consciousness after death.

You know how I know he isn't a scientist?


Hint: One personal subjective experience is NEVER a basis for science.


I assume that, as a scientist, he'll be replicating the conditions to confirm his observations.
 
2012-10-08 01:08:47 PM

Keigh: Quantum Apostrophe: Where are the new souls coming from?

i have a theory for that. At the death of the human body, the soul splits into innumerable bits which go back into the "supply" and meld up with other bits of souls. This is why so many people can claim to be famous people. They all have a bit of that "soul"

disclaimer: this is "My" religious belief, ymmv.


Here's what I believe. You mix enough variety and quantity of atoms in a certain pattern and it can become self-referential and self-aware. As long as something like a star supplies energy to the system that allows such patterns to exist, there you are.

You are born, the processor gets more and more complex and can process more and of its own memories and you slowly become self-aware. Then you age and the systems that are designed to just keep you going to reproduction age fall apart and you slowly forget and get slower.

There was no you before, and there will be no you after. That's all.
 
2012-10-08 01:08:55 PM
Things Newsweek could have put on the front cover:

New Revelations about the Benghazi Attack

The Presidential Debate

Israel and Iran at the UN and Nuclear Brinksmanship

Turkey vs Syria

Spain and the European Economic Crisis

Venezuela's Election


Newsweek is worthless fishwrap.
 
2012-10-08 01:09:08 PM
This guys opinion is that a certain part of my brain was inoperable thus consciousness was impossible. Its probably not quite that black and white. Current scientific knowledge of the brain just isn't quite there yet.
 
2012-10-08 01:09:40 PM

nmemkha: I find Atheists interesting. They dismiss anything that does not fit their narrow worldview out-of-hand and are generally mocking and condescending to the views of others.


uh - no, those people are called assholes.
 
2012-10-08 01:10:48 PM
Newsweek needs to "Come to the Light"
 
2012-10-08 01:11:05 PM
blah blah blah...

new book
cdn.thedailybeast.com
blah blah blah..
 
2012-10-08 01:11:51 PM

xanadian: Ya know, I had always thought of the brain as little more than our own personal radio. It picks up transmissions from what we call "our soul" and interprets them in such a way that it manifests as what we think of as reality. Just because the radio's switched off (or run over because you left it out on the driveway while washing your car, then never bothered to pick it up before running it over) doesn't mean the transmissions aren't still there, nor that the signal isn't stored in some other way for future retrieval.

However, one doctor's anecdote does not constitute proof of anything, really, either my POV or anyone else's. We also may find that the "human" part of our brain is NOT the seat of consciousness, but it rests elsewhere, or it's a synergistic effect of many different parts of the brain.

The jury's still out.


You don't have to die to shut down those transmissions. You should try it:

www.keeptalkinggreece.com
 
2012-10-08 01:12:54 PM
Atheism is a Religion.
 
2012-10-08 01:13:27 PM

Pathman: nmemkha: I find Atheists interesting. They dismiss anything that does not fit their narrow worldview out-of-hand and are generally mocking and condescending to the views of others.

uh - no, those people are called assholes.


There's a difference?
 
2012-10-08 01:14:28 PM
hmmmm... wonder if this guy read 'Heaven is for real'?

"Heaven Is for Real" was published in late 2010, became a word-of-mouth best seller and has spent 59 (nonconsecutive) weeks as the No. 1 nonfiction paperback on The New York Times's best-seller list. Recently the publisher, Thomas Nelson, spun off a children's picture book, now also a best seller, with illustrations verified by Colton. And sometime in 2014, courtesy of DeVon Franklin, vice president of production at Columbia Pictures, who considers his faith "a professional asset," a movie version should be released in theaters.
 
2012-10-08 01:14:32 PM

Kyro: [i1.kym-cdn.com image 200x200]

Jesus, Aliens, whatever. A lack of evidence or understanding is not evidence of magic.


Dudes,
You don't get hair like that unless you believe in god...
\s'all I'm sayin'
 
2012-10-08 01:14:42 PM

kombat_unit: "the human part of my brain"

So, he's a cyborg?


Doctors often refer to the more 'primitive" brain stem, the part which controls automatic functions such as heart rate and breathing, as the "lizard brain". So he's a lizard-cyborg. Mecha-Godzilla?
 
2012-10-08 01:14:56 PM

bwilson27: I hope he chokes on a cock and really dies this time.


Watch out everyone, we've got a real badass here!
 
2012-10-08 01:15:12 PM

ELF Radio: RAAAARGH SHUT UP ALL YOU WEAK, SNIVELING BABIES WHO THINK LIFE HAS MEANING OR SOME GAY SHIAT LIKE THAT. WE ARE ANIMAL-MACHINES THAT SPRANG INEXPLICABLY FROM NOTHING AND WE EAT AND FARK AND DIE AND THAT IS ALL. NOTHING ELSE EXISTS AND ANYONE WHO SAYS OTHER WISE IS A LAME DICK WHO CANT DEAL WITH REALITY.

WHY DONT YOU FAIRIES GO BECOME REPUBLICANS AND VOTE FOR MITT ROMENY IF YOU BELIEVE THIS NANCY QUEER AND HIS HALLUCINATROY BULLSHIAT.


Lucid and logical counterpoint, presented politely and with civility. You've convinced me with your persuasiveness.

/assbag
 
2012-10-08 01:15:41 PM

H31N0US: ELF Radio: RAAAARGH SHUT UP ALL YOU WEAK, SNIVELING BABIES WHO THINK LIFE HAS MEANING OR SOME GAY SHIAT LIKE THAT. WE ARE ANIMAL-MACHINES THAT SPRANG INEXPLICABLY FROM NOTHING AND WE EAT AND FARK AND DIE AND THAT IS ALL. NOTHING ELSE EXISTS AND ANYONE WHO SAYS OTHER WISE IS A LAME DICK WHO CANT DEAL WITH REALITY.

WHY DONT YOU FAIRIES GO BECOME REPUBLICANS AND VOTE FOR MITT ROMENY IF YOU BELIEVE THIS NANCY QUEER AND HIS HALLUCINATROY BULLSHIAT.

[images.sodahead.com image 350x233]


Of the few pictures on the internet that make me actually 'laugh out loud'... that is one of them.
 
2012-10-08 01:15:43 PM
It gets stranger still. For most of my journey, someone else was with me. A woman. She was young, and I remember what she looked like in complete detail. She had high cheekbones and deep-blue eyes. Golden brown tresses framed her lovely face. When first I saw her, we were riding along together on an intricately patterned surface, which after a moment I recognized as the wing of a butterfly.

Tits or get off my butterfly wing, biatch.
 
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