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2012-10-08 02:37:27 PM  

Langdon_777: I had actually hoped you would find it.

I never could and yet I have a physical in my hand magazine that talks about not only gills but fangs - the fact that I could never find the same on the net has made me even more fickle about information.


You've just taken me to a whole world of wtf. Just thought I'd let you know that.
 
2012-10-08 02:38:56 PM  

Langdon_777: bim1154: Richard Flaccid: My wife has pet cow that she treats like her kid. Still loves hamburger.

Growing up where we raised much of our meat, chicken, veggies and what not, I was always the one that got to kill the chickens or put the bullet between the pig's eyes. My step sisters raised fryers for 4H and they had to be dressed and the meat had to be flawless. In order to do that, I couldn't ring their necks as with normal every day eating chickens but instead hung them up by their feet, tied their wings so they couldn't flap and bruise their selves, then I would just grab the head, stretch it down, cut the throat and just let it bleed out. Have no regrets about it, never thought twice about it and if circumstances were the same, would do it no differently. We had plenty of pigs or chickens that were pet like and ended up on the table.

*sigh* and we wonder why peeps get stabbed or raped in dark alleys - "It is not a crime, if I get away with it!"


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Nooooooooooooooooooooo!
 
2012-10-08 02:39:56 PM  

ArcadianRefugee: Langdon_777: I had actually hoped you would find it.

I never could and yet I have a physical in my hand magazine that talks about not only gills but fangs - the fact that I could never find the same on the net has made me even more fickle about information.

You've just taken me to a whole world of wtf. Just thought I'd let you know that.


That's what I am here for :D *hugs*

But I really have never found the same article/thesis on the net, yet I do have it in my book/way-too-many-documents collection.
 
2012-10-08 02:49:53 PM  

mobombhead: So my daily breakfast of lobster omelet with a side of bacon, my daily lunch of shark fin soup and fois gras, and my steak dinner with a baked potato is bad? Why didn't anyone think of the potato? WHAT ABOUT THE POTATO???


I am counting to it right now
 
2012-10-08 02:59:37 PM  

pute kisses like a man: I remember going to a vegan cook-out once (I'm not vegan). I brought all these peppers, squashes and mushrooms. all stuff that's great on the grill.

everyone else brought some variation of a tofu dog or a vegan burger. (anecdotal) proof that vegans and vegetarians are just people who hate food.


You do get the fact that nothing you brought had any protein, and for people for whom this was their main lifestyle choice, not just one aberrant meal, they had to make sure that they were eating things with protein (like tofu or veggie burgers), right?
 
2012-10-08 03:03:52 PM  

Langdon_777:
The Buddhist at my fav restaurant understand that most of us were not bought up as conscious souls :D they understand what we have come to luv, and it is the TEXTURE of the food - and I have to say they perfected the texture of not only the salt & pepper squid but the wonderful meltingness of the beef in a great curry. It can be done.



Thanks for responding. I've had some excellent vegetarian (not vegan) meals at some friends'. While the food is very tasty and certainly has that mouthfeel to it, to me, it tastes nothing like meat, even though they will refer to it as "tofu chicken". They have instilled a trust in me when they are cooking for me that it won't be all crunchy wheatberries and celery. I don't trust any restaurant around here to do the same. But I've always just been curious as to why vegetarians/vegans would even refer to something as a substitute for meat, and not just say "tofu in sauce" or such. They're certainly not trying to convince me, (at least my friends aren't) so I think it rather "odd".

*shrug*
 
2012-10-08 03:04:25 PM  

KiplingKat872: It's the people that claim to be vegetarian "...but I eat fish" (I have even heard someone claim to be vegetarian but they eat chicken) that are unclear on the concept.



Sort of depends.  My wife doesn't eat red meat.  She doesn't necessarily self-identify as "vegitarian" of course, but when looking up restaruants the first thing she looks for is the vegitarian section... so she knows that there will absolutely be something she can eat if the chicken/turkey dishes unknowingly have bacon in them or something.
 
Also, she doesn't ever tell anyone else how they should eat.
 
2012-10-08 03:11:13 PM  

downstairs: Sort of depends. My wife doesn't eat red meat. She doesn't necessarily self-identify as "vegitarian" of course, but when looking up restaruants the first thing she looks for is the vegitarian section... so she knows that there will absolutely be something she can eat if the chicken/turkey dishes unknowingly have bacon in them or something.

Also, she doesn't ever tell anyone else how they should eat.


Nor do I, and I am sick to death of people assuming that I do just becuase I am a vegetarianism, no matter how many time iIsay I'm o.k. with people eating meat and hunting. I have said it six or seven times in the fakring thread and STILL people assume I am telling them what to eat.

If anything by this point, I am beginning to suspect meat eater s are developmentally disabled.

Well, since she does not identify as a vegetarian you brought her up why?

Just because someone eats a salad, that does not make them a vegetarian. Since she does not identify as one, I'm not sure why you brought her up.
 
2012-10-08 03:15:34 PM  
It has been said before, but it must be brought up again. The issue does not come down what we eat, but how much we are willing to pay to eat. This is the biggest concern. Provided that our meat is inexpensive, we are willing to look over the fact that it was raised in a factory farm. By the by, I worked in one and while I did work in the office, I have toured the facility several times in my time there and even visited my father when he worked there as the kill floor supervisor. I tell you nothing is funnier than seeing a guy not pay attention to where he is at and getting smacked in the face by a freshly de-hided carcass. I have seen the inside and outside of this place and to this day, I enjoy meat and will continue to do so. Your dog probably does as well.
Aside, aside, the point remains that money is the answer. Until organic foods can compete commercially, factory farming is going to remain best farming in the eyes of producers. If organic foods become much more commercially viable, then we can let the market decide on which one is better.
 
2012-10-08 03:16:53 PM  

mafiageek1980: Magnanimous_J: Get to know a few of us and you might be surprised that not all of us are so-called "pussies" that get upset by someone else's choice to eat animals.


I know quite a few, and I will say this...they are an uncooperative bunch. I have asked all of them that I was looking for vegan/veggie meals to supplement my diet (still eating meat of course), and ever one of their answers was very elitist, "Google it, also I wouldn't recommend any diet where you eat meat."

Thanks a lot jerkbags

/for honesty, asked 6 of them
 
2012-10-08 03:20:28 PM  

mcwehrle: Langdon_777:
The Buddhist at my fav restaurant understand that most of us were not bought up as conscious souls :D they understand what we have come to luv, and it is the TEXTURE of the food - and I have to say they perfected the texture of not only the salt & pepper squid but the wonderful meltingness of the beef in a great curry. It can be done.


Thanks for responding. I've had some excellent vegetarian (not vegan) meals at some friends'. While the food is very tasty and certainly has that mouthfeel to it, to me, it tastes nothing like meat, even though they will refer to it as "tofu chicken". They have instilled a trust in me when they are cooking for me that it won't be all crunchy wheatberries and celery. I don't trust any restaurant around here to do the same. But I've always just been curious as to why vegetarians/vegans would even refer to something as a substitute for meat, and not just say "tofu in sauce" or such. They're certainly not trying to convince me, (at least my friends aren't) so I think it rather "odd".

*shrug*


*hugs*

We aqre all in this together, by ourselves.
 
2012-10-08 03:22:44 PM  
Yes!

It is almost 6am,on my 'Saturday' morning (worked all weekend, two days off *dance*) but that was meant to be *are' :p
 
2012-10-08 03:23:42 PM  

KiplingKat872: downstairs: Sort of depends. My wife doesn't eat red meat. She doesn't necessarily self-identify as "vegitarian" of course, but when looking up restaruants the first thing she looks for is the vegitarian section... so she knows that there will absolutely be something she can eat if the chicken/turkey dishes unknowingly have bacon in them or something.

Also, she doesn't ever tell anyone else how they should eat.

Nor do I, and I am sick to death of people assuming that I do just becuase I am a vegetarianism, no matter how many time iIsay I'm o.k. with people eating meat and hunting. I have said it six or seven times in the fakring thread and STILL people assume I am telling them what to eat.

If anything by this point, I am beginning to suspect meat eater s are developmentally disabled.

Well, since she does not identify as a vegetarian you brought her up why?

Just because someone eats a salad, that does not make them a vegetarian. Since she does not identify as one, I'm not sure why you brought her up.


I brought her up (and maybe should have elaborated) for a similar reason to what you said about your experiences.
 
Some people call her "vegitarian" and at times have assumed she was uppity about it.  Some people just assume you either eat everything, or you're "vegitarian".
 
My family, for one, just could never understand that chicken was cool with her... just not steak.
 
Funny thing is she's never, ever said anything if there was nothing at a BBQ she could eat.  She'd just hang out until we were done and make something at home.
 
2012-10-08 03:27:27 PM  

downstairs: I brought her up (and maybe should have elaborated) for a similar reason to what you said about your experiences.

Some people call her "vegitarian" and at times have assumed she was uppity about it. Some people just assume you either eat everything, or you're "vegitarian".

My family, for one, just could never understand that chicken was cool with her... just not steak.

Funny thing is she's never, ever said anything if there was nothing at a BBQ she could eat. She'd just hang out until we were done and make something at home.


Ahh, got it. Sorry for leaping down your throat there.

Yes, dietary choices are much more nuanced than vegetarians/carnivores and sane people recognize it is a personal choice (if not a medical proscription).
 
2012-10-08 03:33:45 PM  

KiplingKat872: downstairs: I brought her up (and maybe should have elaborated) for a similar reason to what you said about your experiences.

Some people call her "vegitarian" and at times have assumed she was uppity about it. Some people just assume you either eat everything, or you're "vegitarian".

My family, for one, just could never understand that chicken was cool with her... just not steak.

Funny thing is she's never, ever said anything if there was nothing at a BBQ she could eat. She'd just hang out until we were done and make something at home.

Ahh, got it. Sorry for leaping down your throat there.

Yes, dietary choices are much more nuanced than vegetarians/carnivores and sane people recognize it is a personal choice (if not a medical proscription).



Nah, you didn't.  Its all good.
 
2012-10-08 03:37:33 PM  
Sometimes I think vegeterians have a good point.

But then I eat some bacon.
 
2012-10-08 03:39:35 PM  

KiplingKat872: downstairs: Sort of depends. My wife doesn't eat red meat. She doesn't necessarily self-identify as "vegitarian" of course, but when looking up restaruants the first thing she looks for is the vegitarian section... so she knows that there will absolutely be something she can eat if the chicken/turkey dishes unknowingly have bacon in them or something.

Also, she doesn't ever tell anyone else how they should eat.

Nor do I, and I am sick to death of people assuming that I do just becuase I am a vegetarianism, no matter how many time iIsay I'm o.k. with people eating meat and hunting. I have said it six or seven times in the fakring thread and STILL people assume I am telling them what to eat.

If anything by this point, I am beginning to suspect meat eater s are developmentally disabled.

Well, since she does not identify as a vegetarian you brought her up why?

Just because someone eats a salad, that does not make them a vegetarian. Since she does not identify as one, I'm not sure why you brought her up.


I believe in the Eternal Return - those who do not, will.
Because the simply fact is - None of US are getting out of this alive.
And yet WE are ALL in it together (including that succulent Lobster) - so be understanding and respectful.

And remember just how hard it is to get into 'Heaven' - because "We are all in this together, by Ourselves."

Nite nite.
 
2012-10-08 03:46:01 PM  
I've said it before and I'll say it again: I didn't spend 3 million years climbing to the top of the food chain to become a farking vegetarian.

"Vegetables are what food eats." Doc, The Whiteboard
 
2012-10-08 03:49:57 PM  

MycroftHolmes: pute kisses like a man: I remember going to a vegan cook-out once (I'm not vegan). I brought all these peppers, squashes and mushrooms. all stuff that's great on the grill.

everyone else brought some variation of a tofu dog or a vegan burger. (anecdotal) proof that vegans and vegetarians are just people who hate food.

You do get the fact that nothing you brought had any protein, and for people for whom this was their main lifestyle choice, not just one aberrant meal, they had to make sure that they were eating things with protein (like tofu or veggie burgers), right?


so, you're defending the cook-out of tofu dogs and tofu burgers? i guess I can apply the people who hate food moniker to you as well.

/ i've known other vegans who actually cook good food, and try to find pleasure in their dietary restrictions. the tofu dog is not the answer.
 
2012-10-08 04:01:35 PM  

Haoie: Sometimes I think vegeterians have a good point.

But then I eat some bacon.


If we can just get bacon classified as a vegetable, imagine how happy we could all be.

/It worked for pizza
 
2012-10-08 04:05:30 PM  

ProfessorOhki: /It worked for pizza


Pizza Sauce. The Pizza itself was still carbs.
 
2012-10-08 04:08:57 PM  
That we're uneasy about the origins of our food is no surprise.

No biatch, it just you and your group of like-minded idiot friends who feel this way. Stop projecting your insecurities upon everyone else.
 
2012-10-08 04:09:30 PM  

KiplingKat872: ProfessorOhki: /It worked for pizza

Pizza Sauce. The Pizza itself was still carbs.


I'm confused as to what you mean. I was referring to Link. Even ignoring that, I'm still missing it: pizza Sauce has carbs, the pizza that's not sauce has carbs, vegetables have carbs...
 
2012-10-08 04:14:47 PM  

ProfessorOhki: KiplingKat872: ProfessorOhki: /It worked for pizza

Pizza Sauce. The Pizza itself was still carbs.

I'm confused as to what you mean. I was referring to Link. Even ignoring that, I'm still missing it: pizza Sauce has carbs, the pizza that's not sauce has carbs, vegetables have carbs...


Oh, I see what you mean. Yeah. Actually it was just tomato paste that was a vegetable, obviously the entire thing didn't count as servings of vegetable.

Still sort of absurd that a peperoni and cheese pizza is considered to contain vegetables when it's made of meat, carb, fruit, and dairy...
 
2012-10-08 04:21:04 PM  

ProfessorOhki: Oh, I see what you mean. Yeah. Actually it was just tomato paste that was a vegetable, obviously the entire thing didn't count as servings of vegetable.

Still sort of absurd that a peperoni and cheese pizza is considered to contain vegetables when it's made of meat, carb, fruit, and dairy...


I was thinking Regan administration, when they declared tomato sauce was a vegetable in school lunches.
 
2012-10-08 04:24:58 PM  

NashMcNash: FTA: "Shark finning was banned in Hawaii in 2010, and it's since been made illegal in Washington, Oregon, California, and Illinois"

...destroying the thriving Shark Hunting industry in Illinois.


Some other article says "Illinois became the first inland state, fifth in the U.S., to pass a comprehensive ban against the trade, sale or distribution of shark fins on Sunday." Makes a lot more sense when you put it that way.

Although it makes regular shark harvesting completely waste the most valuable part of the shark.
 
2012-10-08 04:32:42 PM  

Langdon_777: Cept for one flaw - the amount of food needed to produce meat is greater than the amount of food we get from a carcass (there are not meant to be sooooo many cows, chickens, pigs, sheep ... last time I heard there is only ONE naturally living cow herd on this planet (its India ... surprise). It is an inefficient way of using our limited resources. As for hunting WILD animals ... lets be honest we have dominated this planet like a cancer, there is very little room left for our cousins.


Human civilization is the only worthwhile thing that this planet has produced. If we are some cancer of the planet, then by all means, please show us through example the enlightened path. Help us all remove this cancer, starting with you, oh teacher of the faith!
 
2012-10-08 04:34:52 PM  

KidneyStone: Although it makes regular shark harvesting completely waste the most valuable part of the shark.


If finners didn't waste the rest of the shark, I might be concerned. But Truly? Fark 'em.

They are directly contributing the extinction of species for a luxury item.
 
2012-10-08 04:42:43 PM  
I know I am way late to this party, but my two cents:

My only problem with this article is the veal. I have no problem with veal from a cruelty angle but more from a culinary angle.

People/chefs or whatever describe veal as having a delicate flavor and oh so tender. Let me translate: Veal is tasteless mush. Open up your pallete to some real food with a kick. Really, I am surprised veal's weak flavor and costliness survives in this day and age when the coolest food a restaurant can serve is the newest peasant food from some non-popular part of the world.

/braising some oxtails at the time of this post.
//making a soup with oxtails, onion, garlic, barley, carrots and leeks, HELL YEAH
/// can make a good Osso Bucco, but still pales when compared to when I make Hungarian Goolash
 
2012-10-08 04:45:15 PM  
Why not send animals to jail? Lions brutally murder deer and other animals for each meal. Snakes swallow eggs and other small animals that can get scared and distressed. Birds violently pluck worms and other little animals and insects out of their natural habitats and plop them in their nest for their young ones to mercilessly peck and eat to death. Spiders trap both insects and animals in their webs, sometimes preserving them while they're still alive. This scares the crap out of them and they don't know when the spiders would finally eat them.

The animal kingdom is far worse than us. The animals don't give crap about living conditions and treating other animals in a "kind and gentle" manner. They just kill to eat. It doesn't matter if their target's pregnant or if their future meal is just a kid. They devour them and rip them apart to satisfy their hunger.

We should just accept that we survive because animals, insects, and plants die for us. It's not wrong, it's just survival, it's about living.
 
2012-10-08 04:52:36 PM  

ArcadianRefugee: "Healthier" as in the meat itself (higher omega-3s, lower saturated fats); does not address the E coli issue.


It was one study, and even that study found that it creates a million times more e coli. If its in a processing facility like ones described in the movie, there is a high chance for cross contamination.

ArcadianRefugee: Would you? Giving them anything would never have worked for the companies; the movie had an agenda. You really think they'd air something positive about the companies?


I said in my post that I understand that. You can't answer those questions without looking bad or at fault, even if they are the wildest accusations.

Please read my entire post next time, or at least quote the whole thing.

ArcadianRefugee: I just can't deal with 99% of the foodies who biatch about modern practices. They have this unfortunate habit of lying ("stretching") and just being propagandist.


Yeah, I'm definitely not on that side of it. I thought food inc gave logical arguments and addressed a lot of problems that our current system ignores. There are idiots on both sides of every issue. I think that the organic craze as a whole is a bit of a crock. The food doesn't taste better, and pesticides are fine. Monsanto's work is pretty cool, they are a little dickish and ridiculous patent trolls though (pretty much like an modern R&D firm but on a higher level).
 
2012-10-08 04:57:58 PM  

KiplingKat872: TheHappyDrinker: Yes, that's called a hobby farm. A nice place for people to visit and see what a farm is like, pick some strawberries in the spring, pumpkins and apples in the fall. I bet you can get a hay rack ride there too. Those cattle walking around are for calving, not beef.

Want to know how I know you did not read the description?


You know nothing about agriculture, so I really don't care about your uninformed opinions.
 
2012-10-08 04:58:50 PM  

GreenSun: The animal kingdom is far worse than us. The animals don't give crap about living conditions and treating other animals in a "kind and gentle" manner. They just kill to eat. It doesn't matter if their target's pregnant or if their future meal is just a kid. They devour them and rip them apart to satisfy their hunger.


This is not about animal dying for human consumption, it is about how they are treated before they die. Again, what happens in nature is no excuse for how we chose to behave. Humans beings have free will and can chose to be humane or not. If we chose to be cruel, that is our responsibility, not nature.
 
2012-10-08 05:00:55 PM  

TheHappyDrinker: You know nothing about agriculture, so I really don't care about your uninformed opinions.


So a statement from the farm on what it sells is "my opinion?

Gotcha.
 
2012-10-08 05:15:48 PM  
Are we anthropomorphizing animal thoughts and feeling bad for them because as humans we think it would suck? I'm not condoning physical torture in the killing process; pain is pain to any life form. But does a chicken know it has a shatty life if it spends it in a cage? Do cows yearn to run free if they've never been allowed to? Are a pig's dreams dashed to pieces when it doesn't get to become a movie star?
 
2012-10-08 05:21:22 PM  
 
2012-10-08 05:21:56 PM  

thomps: why would we rename them "chicken abortions," subby? the eggs we eat (with a few disgusting exceptions) are unfertilized. they are cruel because of the abhorrent living conditions of most egg-producing chickens. maybe instead, we should name them "chicken torture nuggets."


Ovary kittens?
 
2012-10-08 05:22:28 PM  
Well, i know what im having for dinner.

/cept the balut, gross
//and shark fin soup, but more for the environmental impact than the cruelty
///eat sustainable seafood
 
2012-10-08 05:29:21 PM  

grinnel: Are we anthropomorphizing animal thoughts and feeling bad for them because as humans we think it would suck? I'm not condoning physical torture in the killing process; pain is pain to any life form. But does a chicken know it has a shatty life if it spends it in a cage? Do cows yearn to run free if they've never been allowed to? Are a pig's dreams dashed to pieces when it doesn't get to become a movie star?



Yeah, I've always kinda wondered.  How much of this stuff is projection (beyond pain, which its pretty clear most or all animals feel.)?
 
2012-10-08 05:30:20 PM  
I think baby back ribs are the cruelest food I eat, but that's only because I use real babies.
 
2012-10-08 05:31:22 PM  

Gonz: I don't have the exact quote in front of me, but the Dalai Lama said something along the lines of, from a karmic perspective, if you're going to eat meat, eat beef. One cow dies, and it feeds many people. A shrimp cocktail, on the other hand, is like a culinary holocaust.


*grabbing my favorite whaling harpoon*
 
2012-10-08 05:36:44 PM  

downstairs: grinnel: Are we anthropomorphizing animal thoughts and feeling bad for them because as humans we think it would suck? I'm not condoning physical torture in the killing process; pain is pain to any life form. But does a chicken know it has a shatty life if it spends it in a cage? Do cows yearn to run free if they've never been allowed to? Are a pig's dreams dashed to pieces when it doesn't get to become a movie star?


Yeah, I've always kinda wondered.  How much of this stuff is projection (beyond pain, which its pretty clear most or all animals feel.)?


Most I can say is that a lot of animals will become agitated if you confine them in too small a space for too long. Lack of exercise or even movement leads to bad health and bad health leads to discomfort and/or pain. That one doesn't seem like too much of a stretch. Does the cow actually know that it wants to run free vs. just feeling discomfort as a result of being confined? No clue.
 
2012-10-08 05:40:02 PM  

Lor M. Ipsum: *grabbing my favorite whaling harpoon*


i0.kym-cdn.com
 
2012-10-08 05:42:13 PM  

thecpt: Please read my entire post next time, or at least quote the whole thing.


Why? I don't see any reason to quote a quoted quoted quote etc. I'm having a conversation with you: do you tend to forget what you've said? And for others, there is that handy-dandy linkification of your username they can refer to.

Perhaps a "...snip..." to indicate verbosity?

If its in a processing facility like ones described in the movie, there is a high chance for cross contamination.

Then that's an issue with the facility and not the meat.

Aside: according to the Cornell study that cites grass feeding as reducing E coli, switching to grass for even just a few days prior to slaughter has the same effect (altering the pH of the cows' stomachs), meaning we can happily corn feed (yummier cows) and still have "safe" beef.

I only mention this because I could swear the movie made it sound like it had to be some much longer period (months?), but I don't have the movie with me now so can't verify.
 
2012-10-08 05:43:56 PM  

proteus_b: indylaw: But nature is not nice. If we stopped the practice of eating meat and set all the livestock free, they'd be eaten by predators who would cause them just as much pain, if not worse, than we inflict.

No, they wouldn't exist in the first place. I'm not a PETA fanatic, nor even a lib-tard, but the logic of KiplingKat is more or less sound here. Your view that "well, life is bad anyways so what does it matter if we raise life-forms only to serve us in dire, dreary ways" is rather fatalist, and could easily be godwinned...


Nice try, but they'd exist NOW. There are lots of livestock that, if we all stopped eating meat today, would exist today because they wouldn't all just vanish overnight. There are feedlots full of cattle that would have to be dealt with one way or another if the eating of meat were abruptly banned, and sheds filled with chickens that would need to be either killed or fed till they died. You can't just turn these creatures loose and say "Run free, little chicken!" because they don't know how to survive in the wild--these are domestic animals that have to have food and water provided to them. Never mind the incredible damage they would do to the ecosystem.

So if we do ever stop eating meat, the vast overage of livestock is going to have to be tapered down to manageable levels. Otherwise the cure would be worse than the disease.
 
2012-10-08 05:51:22 PM  

ArcadianRefugee: Why? I don't see any reason to quote a quoted quoted quote etc. I'm having a conversation with you: do you tend to forget what you've said? And for others, there is that handy-dandy linkification of your username they can refer to.


No it just rustled my jimmies that I discredited it, then you added to it further. That's stupid on a nss level

ArcadianRefugee: Then that's an issue with the facility and not the meat.

Aside: according to the Cornell study that cites grass feeding as reducing E coli, switching to grass for even just a few days prior to slaughter has the same effect (altering the pH of the cows' stomachs), meaning we can happily corn feed (yummier cows) and still have "safe" beef.

I only mention this because I could swear the movie made it sound like it had to be some much longer period (months?), but I don't have the movie with me now so can't verify.


The facility is what the movie was saying was a problem, and if they wouldn't change the facility then they wouldn't change the feed either. I remember the movie covering why it happened a lot more than how long it takes to reduce e coli after switching. The idea was that there was something that could be done and that it wasn't mandated.
 
2012-10-08 05:51:53 PM  

KiplingKat872: TheHappyDrinker: You know nothing about agriculture, so I really don't care about your uninformed opinions.

So a statement from the farm on what it sells is "my opinion?

Gotcha.



Pretty much. You don't have a small herd with calves like that for beef production. They may sell a bit of beef from it, but that's not the purpose. Stay in the city, you'll do better there.
 
2012-10-08 05:56:36 PM  

TheHappyDrinker: KiplingKat872: TheHappyDrinker: You know nothing about agriculture, so I really don't care about your uninformed opinions.

So a statement from the farm on what it sells is "my opinion?

Gotcha.


Pretty much. You don't have a small herd with calves like that for beef production. They may sell a bit of beef from it, but that's not the purpose. Stay in the city, you'll do better there.


Please keep egging her on. I've watched her in action over the months and I find her banter and logic comedy gold at best. I even have her down as a favorite so I can point and laugh.
 
2012-10-08 06:16:25 PM  

mcwehrle: mafiageek1980:

Portabella mushroom burgers are GOOD, but If I want a real "beefy" taste (burger wise) without the blood/having to eat faux meats, my go-to is a "burger" made with chickpeas or another similar bean. Hell, throw a couple of drops of "liquid smoke"/right seasonings/veggies/good BBQ sauce, throw that bad boy on the grill, and you got yourself a tasty bean-burger! If I want fries, I make my own. If I want mac and cheese, I make my own (Nutritional yeast is a Vegan's best friend if you want a chessy taste, fark those fake vegan cheeses), etc.


Serious, not in any way meant to be snarky question:

Vegetarians/Vegans....since you have made your decision to forego meat for your reasons, WHY would you want anything that remotely resembles the taste of meat? Wouldn't that creep you out if you've made the decision to not "eat anything with a face"?

Again, I'm not being snarky.....this has always truely confused me. I know I make comments about meat is tasty murder and all that, and I'm a true carnivore, but I respect those who have made their own choices for their own reasons.

Thanks to anyone who answers.


It's an honest question with an honest answer: sometimes you miss the taste of meat/texture/smell and have a craving (living in Austin Texas and smelling BBQ a lot reminds you what you used to have), but don't want consume animal parts. Another way to look at it is like someone who gave up eating junk food, and has been doing great without it, but gets a craving out of the blue for it. Instead of eating a dozen donuts, they eat 1, thus they were able to satisfy that craving WITHOUT going nuts. Personally, I've had to give up Vegan junk food, but that doesn't stop me from eating one of my husband's Oreos (yes, they are Vegan) every now and then if I have a craving.
 
2012-10-08 06:29:30 PM  

bim1154: TheHappyDrinker: KiplingKat872: TheHappyDrinker: You know nothing about agriculture, so I really don't care about your uninformed opinions.

So a statement from the farm on what it sells is "my opinion?

Gotcha.


Pretty much. You don't have a small herd with calves like that for beef production. They may sell a bit of beef from it, but that's not the purpose. Stay in the city, you'll do better there.

Please keep egging her on. I've watched her in action over the months and I find her banter and logic comedy gold at best. I even have her down as a favorite so I can point and laugh.


Thanks, but I'm really not even egging. She's an uninformed vegetarian trying to say how farms run by reading an about page from a website. Reality isn't always pretty, but there are a lot of people who stick their head in the sand to avoid it.
 
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