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2012-10-08 05:45:19 AM
The student, 17-year-old Noah Archer, received and completed the assignment on September 28 at the school

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I would be much more upset that this was a math assignment for high school seniors in the first place.
 
2012-10-08 05:46:05 AM
Chief Short Cake? Was she killed by General Purple Pieman?
 
2012-10-08 05:53:12 AM
That's math homework for a 17 year old?
 
2012-10-08 05:59:58 AM

MissFeasance: That's math homework for a 17 year old?


Maybe he's a football player.
 
2012-10-08 06:36:32 AM

thamike: The student, 17-year-old Noah Archer, received and completed the assignment on September 28 at the school

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I would be much more upset that this was a math assignment for high school seniors in the first place.


This looks like it should be in middle school - 6th or 7th grade.
 
2012-10-08 06:38:32 AM
On the upside, the kids learned a new word.
 
2012-10-08 06:59:35 AM

MissFeasance: That's math homework for a 17 year old?


This. Granted my memories of highschool math are fuzzy, but at 17 I feel like we were beyond basic arithmetic and BEDMAS rules.

Also, I like how he tried two lines without the ruler and then caved. I can just imagine him hunkered over the test trying to draw a straight line and finally saying "fark it" and then searching for a straight edge.
 
2012-10-08 07:11:22 AM

FirstNationalBastard: MissFeasance: That's math homework for a 17 year old?

Maybe he's a football player.


Or a special ed student. But, I'm repeating myself.

AbbeySomeone: On the upside, the kids learned a new word.


There used to be a ski resort way up in the middle of nowhere in Maine called "Big Squaw Mountain." They changed it to Big Moose Mountain.
 
2012-10-08 07:15:19 AM

FirstNationalBastard: MissFeasance: That's math homework for a 17 year old?

Maybe he's a football player.


Ah, scroll down in TFA and you'll see a pic of the kid with what looks like a football helmet.

CASE SOLVED

/that looks like math homework for a fifth grader...
 
2012-10-08 07:42:23 AM

xanadian: /that looks like math homework for a fifth grader...


Yes, yes it does. This kid is very obviously in remedial. And I'm sorry, but we as a human race need to stop getting offended at every goddamned thing. It's getting old and we're running out of things to be offended by. And at the rate we're going, pretty soon we'll be born without skin as thin as some of the people who make it on Fark seem to have.
 
2012-10-08 07:51:18 AM

MissFeasance: That's math homework for a 17 year old?


It's Wisconsin
 
2012-10-08 07:51:43 AM

FriarReb98: And I'm sorry, but we as a human race need to stop getting offended at every goddamned thing.


I'm full-blooded injun and I agree, but squaw is a pretty bad one. It's not an issue of being offended, it's a safety issue. Folks running around natives saying that are likely to get knifed.
 
2012-10-08 07:51:52 AM
FTFA:

He didn't actually know what the word 'squaw' meant and he showed the lesson to his mother Abbey Thompson, who is a member of the Lac du Flambeau Band of Lake Superior Chippewa in Wisconsin.

The word is derived from the eastern Algonquian language and refers to women. It has previously been thought to be a derogatory term but recent historians claim it is a tribal term meaning female genitalia.


In other words, Chief Shortcake died of terminal Snu-Snu.

OTOH - she IS a member of an actual native-American tribe. That does give her some standing to be upset at the use of the term.
 
2012-10-08 07:55:16 AM
Since I've been a kid, it's always been acceptable to be racist against American Indians in this country. Why is that?
 
2012-10-08 07:56:10 AM
Squaw is not the preferred nomenclature, Larry.
 
2012-10-08 07:57:35 AM
The list of things you cannot say, allude to or even think about keeps growing.

Great work making us a free and open society, libs/fantasy-dwellers.
 
2012-10-08 07:58:49 AM
Squaw is the new n-word? Double plus good!
 
2012-10-08 08:01:22 AM

FriarReb98: xanadian: /that looks like math homework for a fifth grader...

Yes, yes it does. This kid is very obviously in remedial. And I'm sorry, but we as a human race need to stop getting offended at every goddamned thing. It's getting old and we're running out of things to be offended by. And at the rate we're going, pretty soon we'll be born without skin as thin as some of the people who make it on Fark seem to have.


No the teacher should have known better after all the farking his state's name came from Native Americans
/You really want a person who has no farking clue about their own state teaching your kids?
 
2012-10-08 08:01:49 AM

Subdue their bellies: Squaw is the new n-word? Double plus good!


Ummm.... no. Go back and RTFA. It's an ..ahem.. impolite reference to a female body part. Of course, I find it interesting to point out that, once again, one of the first things you learn in a foreign language is how to curse.
 
2012-10-08 08:01:57 AM
Did Dances With Wolves teach us nothing?

/tatonka
 
2012-10-08 08:03:08 AM
Subby is wrong. The parents are right.

I'm so glad that more and more white people are waking up to the fact that some words are pejorative and hurtful. I'm also very glad that there are white folks out there who are refusing to train their children to be racists.

Seems to me subby belongs to the realm of unenlightened white people who get butthurt when they can't say any insensitive effing thing they want without being called on it.

This is the hope and change I've been looking for. A bit of silver lining to start my day.
 
2012-10-08 08:03:45 AM
FTFA: The word is derived from the eastern Algonquian language and refers to women. It has previously been thought to be a derogatory term but recent historians claim it is a tribal term meaning female genitalia.

So, they're taking it back?
 
2012-10-08 08:05:28 AM

thamike: The student, 17-year-old Noah Archer, received and completed the assignment on September 28 at the school

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I would be much more upset that this was a math assignment for high school seniors in the first place.


MissFeasance: That's math homework for a 17 year old?


Totally this! And, when did Algonquian become derogatory? All around, this is some serious BS!

/native American
//why don't you all go back to your native countries, morans!
 
2012-10-08 08:06:03 AM
You know, if I were Native American, I'd be far more upset by what some tribal authorities hold to be acceptable living conditions in reservations. I'd be livid, actually.

FastJeff: FriarReb98: And I'm sorry, but we as a human race need to stop getting offended at every goddamned thing.

I'm full-blooded injun and I agree, but squaw is a pretty bad one. It's not an issue of being offended, it's a safety issue. Folks running around natives saying that are likely to get knifed.


Odds are, he didn't even know it was a bad word. I'm roughly around the kid's age (21) and had noooooooo idea that it was a bad thing until I read this article.

You can let the meaning of some words die out, or you can bring it up as offensive and kids learn how to use it as a weapon, if that makes sense. It's like n**ga was a few years ago. Do you think that 90% of the white kids who were using that word around their black friends meant it in a derrogatory manner? No. They saw it on Chappelle's Show, thought he was hilarious, and wanted to emulate him. Then African-Americans said, "No, that's our word, and it's offensive when it's used by you", even though the kids had no offensive intent when using it.
 
2012-10-08 08:06:14 AM

Insatiable Jesus: Squaw is not the preferred nomenclature, Larry.


Vagina. Does that word make you uncomfortable?
 
2012-10-08 08:10:22 AM

AbbeySomeone: Insatiable Jesus: Squaw is not the preferred nomenclature, Larry.

Vagina. Does that word make you uncomfortable?


Just IM'd a Native American acquaintance.

"Squaw" means "coont" (in it's most derogatory), not "vagina".
 
2012-10-08 08:10:40 AM

FriarReb98: And I'm sorry, but we as a human race need to stop getting offended at every goddamned thing. It's getting old and we're running out of things to be offended by. And at the rate we're going, pretty soon we'll be born without skin as thin as some of the people who make it on Fark seem to have.


You think we are running out of things to be offended by? You have severly underestimated human imagination.

/And I am offended by your lack of faith in human imagination.
 
2012-10-08 08:11:01 AM

Marine1: You know, if I were Native American, I'd be far more upset by what some tribal authorities hold to be acceptable living conditions in reservations. I'd be livid, actually.

FastJeff: FriarReb98: And I'm sorry, but we as a human race need to stop getting offended at every goddamned thing.

I'm full-blooded injun and I agree, but squaw is a pretty bad one. It's not an issue of being offended, it's a safety issue. Folks running around natives saying that are likely to get knifed.

Odds are, he didn't even know it was a bad word. I'm roughly around the kid's age (21) and had noooooooo idea that it was a bad thing until I read this article.



I'll one up you on that... not only did I not know the word had magically turned offensive since I was in elementary school a couple decades ago, but I hadn't even thought of the word since then.

I don't think people are thinking their cunning plans all the way through, because by making light of how offended they are, they're doing nothing but bringing the newly offensive term back into the limelight and ensuring it will live on instead just disappearing.
 
2012-10-08 08:12:34 AM
Red people problems.
 
2012-10-08 08:13:26 AM
It's sad that so many native Americans assume that any reference to their culture is automatically a negative reference. In sports, there are protests of Chief Illini, The Redskins and The Braves - all of which convey admiration for the culture. Meanwhile, Irish Americans revel in Notre Dame's angry leprechaun and the Boston Celtic's vomiting Pope mascot
 
2012-10-08 08:14:35 AM
I would be really pissed if my kid had that as homework. As covered here, it's crap math for a 17 year old and it leads to an ignorant phrase. This paper virtually teaches nothing and in fact, more things need to be taught to make up for the crappy paper.
 
2012-10-08 08:14:48 AM

drjekel_mrhyde: MissFeasance: That's math homework for a 17 year old?

It's Wisconsin


It's Minocqua. Since Bosacki's Boathouse closed, that whole town has gone downhill. It was pretty much the only thing keeping the Yoopers at bay.
 
2012-10-08 08:14:53 AM

Subdue their bellies: Squaw is the new n-word? Double plus good!


White guys don't get to decide what what words are offensive to minorities.

Oh, and seeing it as offensive isn't new. You just haven't been paying attention.

Link

In some 19th- and 20th-century texts squaw is used or perceived as derogatory. Most of these uses are not sexual. One author, for example, referred to "the universal 'squaw' - squat, angular, pig-eyed, ragged, wretched, and insect-haunted" (Steele 1883). Squaw also became a derogatory adjective used against some men, in "squaw man," meaning either "a man who does woman's work" (similar to other languages) or "a white man married to an Indian woman and living with her people" (Hodge 1910). (This was a popular literary stereotype, as in The Squaw Man.)

In a western novel by Max Brand (1926), a male character asks a female character about her intentions:

"And follow this fortune hunter like a-like a squaw behind her man?"
"Like a squaw," she answered steadily, "if you choose to use that word!"

The writer Mourning Dove (1927), of Colville, Okanagan and Irish ancestry, showed her mixed-race heroine's opinion of the word:

"If I was to marry a white man and he would dare call me a 'squaw'-as an epithet with the sarcasm that we know so well-I believe that I would feel like killing him."

Perhaps in view of such uses as those above, one early-20th-century dictionary of American usage called squaw "a contemptuous term" (Crowell 1928).

The activist LaDonna Harris, telling of her work in empowering Native American schoolchildren in the 1960s at Ponca City, Oklahoma, recounted:

"We tried to find out what the children found painful about school [causing a very high dropout rate]. (...) The children said that they felt humiliated almost every day by teachers calling them "squaws" and using all those other old horrible terms" (Harris 2000).

In this case the term seems to have been regularly applied to girls in the lower grades of the elementary school, long before their puberty.
 
2012-10-08 08:15:31 AM

Hermione_Granger: Seems to me subby belongs to the realm of unenlightened white people who get butthurt when they can't say any insensitive effing thing they want without being called on it.


I think we should care about accuracy, not sensitivity. Sensitivity is in the eye of the beholder, which creates a surveillance state... in case anyone is offended.
 
2012-10-08 08:15:41 AM
Why is it that women find so many terms for "woman" to be derogatory? There are about 10 million ways to say "guy" and AFAIK men don't find any of them particularly offensive. Is it just bad to refer to someone as female? What's the deal, women?
 
2012-10-08 08:15:57 AM

G.I.R.B.: AbbeySomeone: Insatiable Jesus: Squaw is not the preferred nomenclature, Larry.

Vagina. Does that word make you uncomfortable?

Just IM'd a Native American acquaintance.

"Squaw" means "coont" (in it's most derogatory), not "vagina".


*woosh
 
2012-10-08 08:16:53 AM
So I can't say "coont bury shortcake?". Who knew?

/Yavapai definition - but my memory is weak

FirstNationalBastard: "...I not know the word had magically turned offensive"


Overcoming ignorance is usually called education, not magic.
 
2012-10-08 08:17:41 AM

FirstNationalBastard: Marine1: You know, if I were Native American, I'd be far more upset by what some tribal authorities hold to be acceptable living conditions in reservations. I'd be livid, actually.

FastJeff: FriarReb98: And I'm sorry, but we as a human race need to stop getting offended at every goddamned thing.

I'm full-blooded injun and I agree, but squaw is a pretty bad one. It's not an issue of being offended, it's a safety issue. Folks running around natives saying that are likely to get knifed.

Odds are, he didn't even know it was a bad word. I'm roughly around the kid's age (21) and had noooooooo idea that it was a bad thing until I read this article.



I'll one up you on that... not only did I not know the word had magically turned offensive since I was in elementary school a couple decades ago, but I hadn't even thought of the word since then.

I don't think people are thinking their cunning plans all the way through, because by making light of how offended they are, they're doing nothing but bringing the newly offensive term back into the limelight and ensuring it will live on instead just disappearing.


This! Also, i plan to start using it at work since nobody will know what I'm actually saying. Thanks helicopter mom!
 
2012-10-08 08:18:50 AM
Some of my ancestors were killed by native Americans back when we were still a British colony, killed by native Americans using bows and arrows. The name "Archer" is emotionally distressing to me, so much so that I will not be able to work today. What about my feelings, damn it?
 
2012-10-08 08:20:00 AM

Il Douchey: It's sad that so many native Americans assume that any reference to their culture is automatically a negative reference. In sports, there are protests of Chief Illini, The Redskins and The Braves - all of which convey admiration for the culture. Meanwhile, Irish Americans revel in Notre Dame's angry leprechaun and the Boston Celtic's vomiting Pope mascot


Well, to be fair, "squawbury shortcake" is definitely in very poor taste.
 
2012-10-08 08:22:15 AM
What a squaw may look like:

24.media.tumblr.com
 
2012-10-08 08:24:46 AM

Makh: I would be really pissed if my kid had that as homework. As covered here, it's crap math for a 17 year old and it leads to an ignorant phrase. This paper virtually teaches nothing and in fact, more things need to be taught to make up for the crappy paper.


Crap math for most 17 year old students, but it is very advanced for a 17 year old jock. I am actually surprised he did so well.
 
2012-10-08 08:25:59 AM

Insatiable Jesus: What a squaw may look like:

[24.media.tumblr.com image 497x683]

 

*datass.jpg*
 
2012-10-08 08:26:23 AM
Since I went to high school on a rez, I am pretty sure this is someone getting beaten material. That said, how the hell is this 12th grade level math?
 
2012-10-08 08:27:03 AM

masercot: Since I've been a kid, it's always been acceptable to be racist against American Indians in this country. Why is that?


The government needs to quit "helping"...

/Native
 
2012-10-08 08:28:42 AM
farm5.staticflickr.com

Image is hot like a settler burned alive.
 
2012-10-08 08:29:19 AM

sodomizer: The list of things you cannot say, allude to or even think about keeps growing.

Great work making us a free and open society, libs/fantasy-dwellers.


You are mistaken. You can say those things all you want. Go right ahead. Walk up to a Cherokee and say "squaw". While you're at it, find a large black man and call him "attractive and successful".
 
2012-10-08 08:30:01 AM
I'm at work so I can't get a screenshot, but a mom I know on FB posted a picture of her snowflake's homework last week. She was all upset that her 5th grader had an assignment to identify the suffix in a group of words, one of which was the word "sexuality." I really just don't understand how that is somehow a word a 10 or 11 year old should not ever see.
 
2012-10-08 08:32:17 AM

AbbeySomeone: G.I.R.B.: AbbeySomeone: Insatiable Jesus: Squaw is not the preferred nomenclature, Larry.

Vagina. Does that word make you uncomfortable?

Just IM'd a Native American acquaintance.

"Squaw" means "coont" (in it's most derogatory), not "vagina".

*woosh


I'm pretty sure it means a whales' vagina.
 
2012-10-08 08:32:18 AM

Il Douchey: It's sad that so many native Americans assume that any reference to their culture is automatically a negative reference. In sports, there are protests of Chief Illini, The Redskins and The Braves - all of which convey admiration for the culture. Meanwhile, Irish Americans revel in Notre Dame's angry leprechaun and the Boston Celtic's vomiting Pope mascot


I think the proper time for non-natives to appreciate native american culture was at some point before white men completely destroyed the native culture.

I'm disgusted at the things my white ancestors put my native american ancestors through.
 
2012-10-08 08:33:00 AM
Still OK that Europeans murdered thousands of Indians.
 
2012-10-08 08:34:17 AM
Subby forgot to say crotchfruit.
 
2012-10-08 08:35:25 AM

Deep Contact: Still OK that Europeans murdered thousands of Indians.


Uh... says who?
 
2012-10-08 08:35:45 AM
A Chippewa getting upset about an Algonquin term is akin to me getting upset by someone using "pirge".
 
2012-10-08 08:38:15 AM
The school suspended the teacher for a day for using squaw.

Did they tell him 'see you next tuesday'?
 
2012-10-08 08:38:16 AM

FastJeff: FriarReb98: And I'm sorry, but we as a human race need to stop getting offended at every goddamned thing.

I'm full-blooded injun and I agree, but squaw is a pretty bad one. It's not an issue of being offended, it's a safety issue. Folks running around natives saying that are likely to get knifed.


So what is the correct term to use?
 
2012-10-08 08:38:26 AM
Chief Short Cake? Must have been a member of one of those tribes that named their kids in Kindergarten. That all ended after Chief Runs Like a Girl came to power. He decreed that all tribal names are bestowed during Freshman high school. Later, Chief Dart Board Goalie pushed it back a few more years.
 
2012-10-08 08:40:14 AM
People get offended. There's a lot of "overoffense" that goes on with public melodramatic outrage. I don't the offense in this case is too over-the-top. A school teacher should show a higher level of cultural understanding, especially when he teaches in a school that is 22% Indian (feathered).

This is about as tactful as using "coont" in a play on words in a school assignment. It shows a remarkable level of ignorance. Not firing worthy, but certainly apology worthy.
 
2012-10-08 08:40:14 AM
Hiya! Howya doin'?
 
2012-10-08 08:41:10 AM

G.I.R.B.: AbbeySomeone: Insatiable Jesus: Squaw is not the preferred nomenclature, Larry.

Vagina. Does that word make you uncomfortable?

Just IM'd a Native American acquaintance.

"Squaw" means "coont" (in it's most derogatory), not "vagina".


Actually, no it doesn't.

It may still be offensive, in the same way that "retard" became offensive (once a non-derogatory description, a person whose development was retarded in the sense of held back compared to the norm that became derogatory through use), but it's a term for "coont".
 
2012-10-08 08:42:46 AM
i.dailymail.co.uk

Doesn't look like the Honors Trigonometry type.

Will be selling used cars out by the highway in 5 years. Will probably let a Chevy Traverse go for $5,600 below sticker.
 
2012-10-08 08:43:05 AM

Deep Contact: Still OK that Europeans murdered thousands of Indians.


Yep. But it was not murder. We fought them fair and square for the land. It was not our fault that they did not have guns when we showed up.
 
2012-10-08 08:46:03 AM
i.dailymail.co.uk
Members of the Lac du Flambeau Tribe (pictured at a community event) in northern Wisconsin

Looks like someone Flambeauing amiright? 

Actually a pretty cool tribe. Perfected color safe washing in cold water (whitey stole it from them, of course). Keeps the brights bright.
 
2012-10-08 08:48:57 AM

dittybopper: but it's a term for "coont".


sed 's/s a/s not a/'

It's *NOT* a term for "coont" is what I meant to say.
 
2012-10-08 08:54:10 AM

FastJeff: FriarReb98: And I'm sorry, but we as a human race need to stop getting offended at every goddamned thing.

I'm full-blooded injun and I agree, but squaw is a pretty bad one. It's not an issue of being offended, it's a safety issue. Folks running around natives saying that are likely to get knifed.


Squaw better get her ass in the kitchen and make me a maize-sammich.


/I keed.
 
2012-10-08 08:54:47 AM

lizyrd: This is about as tactful as using "coont" in a play on words in a school assignment.


No it isn't: The two don't compare. The origin of the word comes from the Eastern Algonquin tribes that were first contacted by Europeans, and as documented by linguists since the 17th Century, the term merely mean "woman" in those languages. There is no evidence it was derogatory in nature.

The idea that it was a derogatory term for female genitalia didn't surface until the 1970's. Like much of the 1970's, that idea is just plain wrong. That theory didn't gain much traction until an Oprah show in 1992.
 
2012-10-08 08:59:38 AM

Mock26: Makh: I would be really pissed if my kid had that as homework. As covered here, it's crap math for a 17 year old and it leads to an ignorant phrase. This paper virtually teaches nothing and in fact, more things need to be taught to make up for the crappy paper.

Crap math for most 17 year old students, but it is very advanced for a 17 year old jock. I am actually surprised he did so well.


I suspect the crooked lines were drawn by him, and the rest were filled in later, by his parents.
 
2012-10-08 09:01:35 AM
Too many of you are being dumb squaws.
 
2012-10-08 09:03:11 AM
I guess some guys just need something to squaw-k about.
 
2012-10-08 09:04:16 AM
I'd be more offended by the clipped pidgen English in that joke.
 
2012-10-08 09:06:11 AM
So people get offended because the puzzle maker could insert a pun. Lesson learned: puns are bad.
 
2012-10-08 09:07:37 AM

thamike: I would be much more upset that this was a math assignment for high school seniors in the first place.


This.

xanadian: Or a special ed student. But, I'm repeating myself.


That's racist.

drjekel_mrhyde: /You really want a person who has no farking clue about their own state teaching your kids?


Which would you rather have: A good teacher willing to teach 6th grade math to high school seniors in bumf*ck Wisconsin and has no f*cking clue about the state? Or a sh*tty teacher who's in tune with all the obscure social mores within the society?
 
2012-10-08 09:08:46 AM

xanadian: FirstNationalBastard: MissFeasance: That's math homework for a 17 year old?

Maybe he's a football player.

Ah, scroll down in TFA and you'll see a pic of the kid with what looks like a football helmet.

CASE SOLVED

/that looks like math homework for a fifth grader...


5th?
they rally are dumbing down education.
 
2012-10-08 09:13:11 AM

xenophon10k: sodomizer: The list of things you cannot say, allude to or even think about keeps growing.

Great work making us a free and open society, libs/fantasy-dwellers.

You are mistaken. You can say those things all you want. Go right ahead. Walk up to a Cherokee and say "squaw". While you're at it, find a large black man and call him "attractive and successful".


Then walk up to a white person and say "honky" or "cracker" and watch nothing happen.

Solving problems without violence is AWESOME!
 
2012-10-08 09:24:33 AM

Marine1: Deep Contact: Still OK that Europeans murdered thousands of Indians.

Uh... says who?


US Government
 
2012-10-08 09:36:33 AM

Scorpio Rex: So people get offended because the puzzle maker could insert a pun. Lesson learned: puns are bad.


but it's a terrible pun.
 
2012-10-08 09:37:42 AM
www.gossipetv.com

RIP SHORTCAKE
 
2012-10-08 09:38:36 AM

dittybopper: lizyrd: This is about as tactful as using "coont" in a play on words in a school assignment.

No it isn't: The two don't compare. The origin of the word comes from the Eastern Algonquin tribes that were first contacted by Europeans, and as documented by linguists since the 17th Century, the term merely mean "woman" in those languages. There is no evidence it was derogatory in nature.

The idea that it was a derogatory term for female genitalia didn't surface until the 1970's. Like much of the 1970's, that idea is just plain wrong. That theory didn't gain much traction until an Oprah show in 1992.


Yet again, Oprah is revealed to be he one pulling the strings.

Wake up, sheeple!
 
2012-10-08 09:38:55 AM

rufus-t-firefly: In some 19th- and 20th-century texts squaw is used or perceived as derogatory.


Today, class, we learn the difference between "some" and "all."

We also learn that finding a few radicals who were offended by something doesn't make them experts, or indicative of the knowledge of a time.
 
2012-10-08 09:47:43 AM

BigEd: I'm at work so I can't get a screenshot, but a mom I know on FB posted a picture of her snowflake's homework last week. She was all upset that her 5th grader had an assignment to identify the suffix in a group of words, one of which was the word "sexuality." I really just don't understand how that is somehow a word a 10 or 11 year old should not ever see.


So which answers were acceptable? "-ity", "-uality", and "ual"?

/waiting for an interesting word to replace the word which is prohibited
 
2012-10-08 09:53:04 AM
I'm disturbed by the fact that the teacher making up that assignment used the word "burys" rather than the correct spelling of "buries".
 
2012-10-08 09:55:16 AM
http://www.nativeweb.org/pages/legal/squaw.html
 
2012-10-08 09:55:20 AM

thamike: The student, 17-year-old Noah Archer, received and completed the assignment on September 28 at the school

[i.dailymail.co.uk image 634x843]

I would be much more upset that this was a math assignment for high school seniors in the first place.


This looks like what my 4th and 5th grade children are doing.
 
2012-10-08 09:57:01 AM
 
2012-10-08 09:59:51 AM

Hermione_Granger: Subby is wrong. The parents are right.

I'm so glad that more and more white people are waking up to the fact that some words are pejorative and hurtful. I'm also very glad that there are white folks out there who are refusing to train their children to be racists.

Seems to me subby belongs to the realm of unenlightened white people who get butthurt when they can't say any insensitive effing thing they want without being called on it.

This is the hope and change I've been looking for. A bit of silver lining to start my day.



THIS.
The people who seem to complain and whine the most about "political correctness" are the assholes who are butthurt that they can't just spew any racist thing they want from their pieholes anymore without someone actually taking them to task for their ignorance. Those people are also the ones for whom these epithets have no real meaning, since they are the ones who made them up in the first place.

How many derogatory names of american origin are there for WASPs anyway compared to other races and ethnic groups?
Racial Slur Database


Think first, then speak. not that difficult.
 
2012-10-08 10:02:23 AM
The word "squaw" merely means "woman" in Eastern Algonquin languages. The idea that it means "vagina" is an urban legend. You know what pisses me off? PEOPLE PASSING AROUND BULLshiat ETYMOLOGY IN ORDER TO ACT OFFENDED.
 
2012-10-08 10:09:20 AM
Why so serious?

It's fun to stay at the Y.M.C.A......

i.dailymail.co.uk

They may be the most flambeauing tribe evah...NTTAWWT
 
2012-10-08 10:11:44 AM
Ugh! Squaw sound heap angry! Maybe smokem' peace pipe!
 
2012-10-08 10:11:46 AM
i will go with tard
he erased the first line and then did a horrible job on two of them
but did anyone notice he erased his first name!!!!

of course he didn't know the S word
 
2012-10-08 10:13:54 AM
strawberry shortcake
 
2012-10-08 10:14:13 AM

rewind2846: Hermione_Granger: Subby is wrong. The parents are right.
...
How many derogatory names of american origin are there for WASPs anyway compared to other races and ethnic groups?
Racial Slur Database


Think first, then speak. not that difficult.



Not sure of your point since according to that link there appears to dozens, if not hundreds of slurs for white people? Add in the Catholics and we're definitely into three digits.
 
2012-10-08 10:16:31 AM
The correct way:

Lady: Excuse me Mr. principal..... My son got a math homework assignment that used a controversial word in a foreign language.

Principal: I see, well, that teacher didn't write the assignment, and isn't an expert in foreign languages.... but, I'll mention it to him so that he knows in the future that it isn't a good idea to use that sheet as homework in the future. And obviously I won't be disciplining my teacher for anything, because that would be dumb.

Lady: Thank you. I will in no way be going to the press to attention whore myself over this.
 
2012-10-08 10:16:48 AM
How Language Changes:

1620-1900 Squaw means 'woman'

1900-1992 Squaw means 'woman', not always as a compliment

1992 OPRAH gives activist a platform; activist declares 'squaw' evil

Never mind that actual linguists don't find an evil origin for the word. OPRAH has spoken: The word is now banned.
 
2012-10-08 10:20:46 AM
If you had asked me what a squaw was I would have professed my ignorance and then guessed that it was something like a concubine or the chief's wife.

Now I know It is a phoenetic rendering of an Algonkian word that does NOT translate to "a woman's private parts." The word "squaw" - as "esqua," "squa," "skwa," "skwe" and other variants - traditionally means the totality of being female

So they should be offended
 
2012-10-08 10:21:40 AM

willfullyobscure:

Not sure of your point since according to that link there appears to dozens, if not hundreds of slurs for white people? Add in the Catholics and we're definitely into three digits.



"American origin". WASPs. Not foreign. "Compared to other races and ethnic groups".
Try reading what I wrote first before posting an answer next time.
 
2012-10-08 10:22:36 AM
Really putting the AW in squaw, there, Chief Butthurtsalot.
 
2012-10-08 10:24:23 AM

Makh: I would be really pissed if my kid had that as homework. As covered here, it's crap math for a 17 year old and it leads to an ignorant phrase. This paper virtually teaches nothing and in fact, more things need to be taught to make up for the crappy paper.


I used to tutor physics at a 'good' liberal arts school. All the pre-meds had to take one year of physics (the real class, not physics appreciation). I would help these people (most of whom wanted to be doctors) set up their problem, and get it down to two equations and two variables. I would look up in triumph, only to see a complete lack of comprehension.

I heard a lot of complaints from students that Doctors shouldn't need math or physics. My argument was that if you were too dumb to grasp simple algebra or simple mechanics, I did not want you making life or death decisions.
 
2012-10-08 10:29:55 AM
I will again lament the paltry lack of native American pornography out there. Them wimminz is hot, and I like seeing hot women en flagrante delecto, if you get my drift.


On the other hand, though, I applaud the native Americans for keeping their dignity.
 
2012-10-08 10:33:03 AM
My question is: Did the Algonquins use this term to refer to Algonquin women generically? Or does the "N" word rule apply here. Seems like the writer was being a little nubianrdly with that information in the article.
 
2012-10-08 10:33:22 AM

Sammichless: The correct way:

Lady: Excuse me Mr. principal..... My son got a math homework assignment that used a controversial word in a foreign language.

Principal: I see, well, that teacher didn't write the assignment, and isn't an expert in foreign languages.... but, I'll mention it to him so that he knows in the future that it isn't a good idea to use that sheet as homework in the future. And obviously I won't be disciplining my teacher for anything, because that would be dumb.

Lady: Thank you. I will in no way be going to the press to attention whore myself over this.


See, for all we know this exact exchange happened in a dozen other school districts and we don't know a thing about it.
 
2012-10-08 10:34:46 AM
Nubianardly? Really? The filters need a dictionary.
 
2012-10-08 10:38:18 AM

advex101: Nubianardly? Really? The filters need a dictionary.


I believe the politically correct form is "attractive and successful".
 
2012-10-08 10:39:48 AM
man, the First Nations people here must really hate their town's name then:"

mw2.google.com
(just outside Vancouver, Canada)
 
2012-10-08 10:40:39 AM

HST's Dead Carcass: thamike: The student, 17-year-old Noah Archer, received and completed the assignment on September 28 at the school

[i.dailymail.co.uk image 634x843]

I would be much more upset that this was a math assignment for high school seniors in the first place.

MissFeasance: That's math homework for a 17 year old?

Totally this! And, when did Algonquian become derogatory? All around, this is some serious BS!

/native American
//why don't you all go back to your native countries, morans!


I got a boat, You used to have a land bridge.... Get swimming. I hear Siberia is great this time of year.
 
2012-10-08 10:41:17 AM

Deep Contact: Marine1: Deep Contact: Still OK that Europeans murdered thousands of Indians.

Uh... says who?

US Government


Uh... how?
 
2012-10-08 10:46:54 AM

Marine1:
Uh... how?


That's racist.
 
2012-10-08 10:47:28 AM

dittybopper: Marine1:
Uh... how?

That's racist.


Lulz.
 
2012-10-08 10:52:15 AM
Uh-oh.

mappery.com
 
2012-10-08 10:53:42 AM

Insatiable Jesus: What a squaw may look like:

[24.media.tumblr.com image 497x683]


Okay, who is she, and where did you find that picture?
/Save!
 
2012-10-08 10:54:51 AM

Marine1: Deep Contact: Marine1: Deep Contact: Still OK that Europeans murdered thousands of Indians.

Uh... says who?

US Government

Uh... how?


i1136.photobucket.com

And how!
 
2012-10-08 10:58:19 AM

airsupport: I will again lament the paltry lack of native American pornography out there.


You think that's bad? There is a dearth of good albino midget granny amputee porn out there.
 
2012-10-08 10:59:27 AM
We are doing relatively well as a nation and society when this is sort of stuff that makes international news.

Middle East: Syria, Turkey, Isreal and Palestine still lobbing missiles at each other's civilian centers
Europe: Riots continue as rising debt problems threaten to destabilize region.
Africa: Child soldiers being used to fight brutal wars.
U.S.: Someone found the word squaw on their kids homework assignment and was offended.
 
2012-10-08 11:05:00 AM

rewind2846: willfullyobscure:

Not sure of your point since according to that link there appears to dozens, if not hundreds of slurs for white people? Add in the Catholics and we're definitely into three digits.


"American origin". WASPs. Not foreign. "Compared to other races and ethnic groups".
Try reading what I wrote first before posting an answer next time.


America. Unclear on the concept? Or did you think we all got here by springing out of the sown earth, like Spartoi? "WASP" covers a landmass that extends from Budapest toHammerfest to Omagh, my boy.
 
2012-10-08 11:10:53 AM

Hermione_Granger: Subby is wrong. The parents are right.

I'm so glad that more and more white people are waking up to the fact that some words are pejorative and hurtful. I'm also very glad that there are white folks out there who are refusing to train their children to be racists.

Seems to me subby belongs to the realm of unenlightened white people who get butthurt when they can't say any insensitive effing thing they want without being called on it.

This is the hope and change I've been looking for. A bit of silver lining to start my day.


Almost had it but for that last line.

6/10
 
2012-10-08 11:11:47 AM

rufus-t-firefly: Subdue their bellies: Squaw is the new n-word? Double plus good!

White guys don't get to decide what what words are offensive to minorities.


Indians were calling their womenfolk "squaws" long before whitey picked up the term.

Being on the receiving end of racism doesn't absolve you of being on the giving end of sexism.
 
2012-10-08 11:26:38 AM

ThrobblefootSpectre: We are doing relatively well as a nation and society when this is sort of stuff that makes international news.

Middle East: Syria, Turkey, Isreal and Palestine still lobbing missiles at each other's civilian centers
Europe: Riots continue as rising debt problems threaten to destabilize region.
Africa: Child soldiers being used to fight brutal wars.
U.S.: Someone found the word squaw on their kids homework assignment and was offended.


six out of the last eight articles were from outside the US

England: Welsh man welshes on his hotel bill
England: people are calling 999 for silly things
England: Smoking-hot 18 year old drinks liquid nitrogen
England: Hand-Egg player has his balls removed
China: some Chinese guy is still there
US: New Hampshire hillbilly stabs another over a pile of tires in the front "yard"
England: Butterfaced goth really really likes corsets

England must be doing pretty well as a country
 
2012-10-08 11:27:35 AM
Lots of people here missing the point entirely - shocking, I know.

It doesn't matter what the origins of the word 'squaw' are, or whether or not it's Oprah's fault it has negative connotations (disregarding the much older literary examples outlined by rufus-tfirefly above).

What matters is that many First Nations people, Algonquin and otherwise, take offense to the term. Trust me, I went to school with many Cree, Dene, and Lakota Sioux kids, among others, and let's just say they aren't fans.

So what's so difficult about avoiding the use of a term that has been established by its target group to be, in fact, offensive?

It's not about being "butthurt" or political correctness going overboard. It's about adapting our use of language to avoid unncessarily pissing off large groups of people. I think that's pretty easy to accomplish without limiting ourselves - this idea that somehow we'll run out of benign words is a laughable strawman argument at best.

In this particular case, I don't see an attention whore. I see a First Nations mother calling out a teacher for handing out an assignment (yes, a decidedly underwhelming one given the age of the student) that employs an outdated term considered offensive by the very group to which it refers.

I also see a teacher who clearly didn't work out the answer himself beforehand, but who realized his mistake and issued what appears to me to be a very sincere apology and immediately took steps to make amends.

So if all parties in the article seem to agree that this was a mistake - albeit a relatively minor one in the grand scheme of things - what's wrong with admitting that just might be the case?
 
2012-10-08 11:39:54 AM

Rafe: Lots of people here missing the point entirely - shocking, I know.

It doesn't matter what the origins of the word 'squaw' are, or whether or not it's Oprah's fault it has negative connotations (disregarding the much older literary examples outlined by rufus-tfirefly above).

What matters is that many First Nations people, Algonquin and otherwise, take offense to the term. Trust me, I went to school with many Cree, Dene, and Lakota Sioux kids, among others, and let's just say they aren't fans.

So what's so difficult about avoiding the use of a term that has been established by its target group to be, in fact, offensive?

It's not about being "butthurt" or political correctness going overboard. It's about adapting our use of language to avoid unncessarily pissing off large groups of people. I think that's pretty easy to accomplish without limiting ourselves - this idea that somehow we'll run out of benign words is a laughable strawman argument at best.

In this particular case, I don't see an attention whore. I see a First Nations mother calling out a teacher for handing out an assignment (yes, a decidedly underwhelming one given the age of the student) that employs an outdated term considered offensive by the very group to which it refers.

I also see a teacher who clearly didn't work out the answer himself beforehand, but who realized his mistake and issued what appears to me to be a very sincere apology and immediately took steps to make amends.

So if all parties in the article seem to agree that this was a mistake - albeit a relatively minor one in the grand scheme of things - what's wrong with admitting that just might be the case?


weknowmemes.com
 
2012-10-08 11:42:36 AM
FTA: It has previously been thought to be a derogatory term but recent historians claim it is a tribal term meaning female genitalia.

You gotta love the Daily Fail. "Sure, we thought it was a derogatory term, but it's just Indian for 'pussy'." So, according to the Daily Fail, we can call women "pussies" now, because it's not a derogatory term - just a term meaning female genitalia.

Assholes.
 
2012-10-08 11:46:18 AM

AbbeySomeone: G.I.R.B.: AbbeySomeone: Insatiable Jesus: Squaw is not the preferred nomenclature, Larry.

Vagina. Does that word make you uncomfortable?

Just IM'd a Native American acquaintance.

"Squaw" means "coont" (in it's most derogatory), not "vagina".

*woosh


More like "sploosh" amirite?
 
2012-10-08 11:48:29 AM

Insatiable Jesus: What a squaw may look like:

[24.media.tumblr.com image 497x683]


I'll be in my teepee.
 
2012-10-08 11:53:44 AM
Khazar-Khum:

Sadly, no. Consider this my annual attempt to balance the scales of derp, as futile as it may be.
 
2012-10-08 11:54:55 AM

thamike: The student, 17-year-old Noah Archer, received and completed the assignment on September 28 at the school

[i.dailymail.co.uk image 634x843]

I would be much more upset that this was a math assignment for high school seniors in the first place.


Absodamnlutely
 
2012-10-08 12:23:20 PM
What does "burys" mean? Is that also some kind of racial slur?
 
2012-10-08 12:27:08 PM

Rafe: So what's so difficult about avoiding the use of a term that has been established by its target group to be, in fact, offensive?


Because it's an actual, normal, non-offensive word meaning precisely what its English equivalent is among a subset of that group. They merely imagine it to be offensive in all contexts, which it plainly isn't.

I propose renaming the Adirondack mountains to something else, perhaps the "Colvin-Sargeant Mountains", because "Adirondack" is a derogatory Mohawk name for Algonquins. Then again, "Mohawk" is a derogatory term used by Algonquins for the Kanien'kehá:ka.

It's like a perfect circle of butthurt!
 
2012-10-08 12:34:13 PM

dittybopper: Rafe: So what's so difficult about avoiding the use of a term that has been established by its target group to be, in fact, offensive?

Because it's an actual, normal, non-offensive word meaning precisely what its English equivalent is among a subset of that group. They merely imagine it to be offensive in all contexts, which it plainly isn't.

I propose renaming the Adirondack mountains to something else, perhaps the "Colvin-Sargeant Mountains", because "Adirondack" is a derogatory Mohawk name for Algonquins. Then again, "Mohawk" is a derogatory term used by Algonquins for the Kanien'kehá:ka.

It's like a perfect circle of butthurt!


Squaw may have originated with the Algonquin, but its usage has evolved (I've personally heard it used many times in a derogatory context - not towards me, mind you; I'm a white man). As such, so should we. Again, it's not about being butthurt, it's about choosing not to adress people in a way they'd prefer not to be adressed. In my world anyway, that isn't terribly difficult.

But at the risk of repeating myself, what bugs me is this silly argument that we're somehow going to run out of words that aren't considered offensive. I agree that sometimes political correctness goes way too far - I just don't think that applies in this case.

Call a First Nations woman a squaw and get back to me.
 
2012-10-08 12:50:00 PM

Guuberre: Ummm.... no. Go back and RTFA. It's an ..ahem.. impolite reference to a female body part.


Or rather it is claimed to be so by people trying to whip up some outrage. Linguists seems pretty unanimous that it actally just means "young woman".
 
2012-10-08 12:51:15 PM

sodomizer: The list of things you cannot say, allude to or even think about keeps growing.

Great work making us a free and open society, libs/fantasy-dwellers.


To knuckle-dragging mouth-breathers, not being able to use words like "squaw", "n***er" and "c***k" = stifling political correctness. To grownups, this is simply called "having manners."

But no, we get it, you should be entitled to be as disrespectful to minorities as you please. After all, that's why their called "minorities".
 
2012-10-08 12:51:22 PM

Hermione_Granger: I'm so glad that more and more white people are waking up to the fact that some words are pejorative and hurtful. I'm also very glad that there are white folks out there who are refusing to train their children to be racists.


The idea that "squaw" means "vagina" is a myth, just like the one about "nitty gritty". Some people just love looking for offence.
 
2012-10-08 01:03:42 PM

Rafe: But at the risk of repeating myself, what bugs me is this silly argument that we're somehow going to run out of words that aren't considered offensive. I agree that sometimes political correctness goes way too far - I just don't think that applies in this case.


What bugs me is that someone can be labelled a racist based the use of language that isn't widely recognized as racist.

The mother in the article said that her own son didn't know the meaning of the word. Why should we expect a random white math teacher to know enough to avoid the word?

If I were german, I can't imagine caring if my son brought home an assignment whose key ended up being something like "sour kraut". I might recognize it as slightly racist, and quietly point out to the teacher that kraut is a slur. But I wouldn't take to FB, call my school system racist, and bemoan the state of racial affairs in the country.
 
2012-10-08 01:25:56 PM

Babwa Wawa: What bugs me is that someone can be labelled a racist based the use of language that isn't widely recognized as racist.

The mother in the article said that her own son didn't know the meaning of the word. Why should we expect a random white math teacher to know enough to avoid the word?

If I were german, I can't imagine caring if my son brought home an assignment whose key ended up being something like "sour kraut". I might recognize it as slightly racist, and quietly point out to the teacher that kraut is a slur. But I wouldn't take to FB, call my school system racist, and bemoan the state of racial affairs in the country.


I certainly don't think the teacher is a racist, but he clearly made an error in judgment. That much is apparent by his seemingly sincere and swift apology. And perhaps the mother overreacted, but at the very least this story has generated a bit of discussion on whether or not 'squaw' is still a term people should be using.

Of course, said discussion is based on a Daily Fail article, so ymmv. That rag never found a molehill out of which it couldn't make a mountain.
 
2012-10-08 01:28:03 PM
image.retrojunk.com
/hot like a biscuit right out of the oven.
 
2012-10-08 01:57:15 PM

Rafe: I agree that sometimes political correctness goes way too far - I just don't think that applies in this case.


See, that's the problem: No one single thing sounds like it goes to far in isolation.

I personally don't have a problem with avoiding derogatory uses of a word. In this case, however, the word was used in a pun, and not in an offensive or derogatory way, unless you consider all possible uses of the word offensive and/or derogatory. We can't consider that to be true, however: I could write a story and use the word "squaw" when talking about a female bark-eater and it would be perfectly correct and inoffensive.
 
2012-10-08 02:07:57 PM

G.I.R.B.: AbbeySomeone: Insatiable Jesus: Squaw is not the preferred nomenclature, Larry.

Vagina. Does that word make you uncomfortable?

Just IM'd a Native American acquaintance.

"Squaw" means "coont" (in it's most derogatory), not "vagina".


NO, it DOESN'T. Straight Dope: Is "squaw" an obscene insult?

Which can all be summarized in this one quote: "It is as certain as any historical fact can be that the word squaw that the English settlers in Massachusetts used for 'Indian woman' in the early 1600s was adopted by them from the word squa that their Massachusett-speaking neighbors used in their own language to mean 'female, younger woman,' and not from Mohawk ojiskwa', 'vagina,' which has the wrong shape [sound], the wrong meaning, and was used by people with whom they then had no contact. The resemblance that might be perceived between squaw and the last syllable of the Mohawk word is coincidental."

Also scant evidence that anyone ever THOUGHT it was derogatory.

However, such culture-specific broken-English gags (not "the squaw buried Short Cake") rarely go over well, about like "Me love you long time". Charlie Chan's style of broken English might be borderline-acceptable, hard to predict. Odd that Charlie Chan was supposed to be such a brilliant, perceptive, learning character who spent much of his life among English-speakers, and had fine pronunciation, yet never mastered English syntax.
 
2012-10-08 02:21:44 PM

orbister: Hermione_Granger: I'm so glad that more and more white people are waking up to the fact that some words are pejorative and hurtful. I'm also very glad that there are white folks out there who are refusing to train their children to be racists.

The idea that "squaw" means "vagina" is a myth, just like the one about "nitty gritty". Some people just love looking for offence.


Hey, you leave the Nitty Gritty out of this! They have delicious burgers!!
 
2012-10-08 02:30:16 PM

Mouser: rufus-t-firefly: Subdue their bellies: Squaw is the new n-word? Double plus good!

White guys don't get to decide what what words are offensive to minorities.

Indians were calling their womenfolk "squaws" long before whitey picked up the term.

Being on the receiving end of racism doesn't absolve you of being on the giving end of sexism.


Imagine if some douchebags came to your continent, sneezed on you and wiped out 90% of your population, killed some of you, shoved the rest onto reservations, and then declared that your word meaning "woman" was highly offensive and that you should feel ashamed for using it.
 
2012-10-08 02:32:50 PM

SevenT: What does "burys" mean? Is that also some kind of racial slur?


Shorthand for these guys.

upload.wikimedia.org
 
2012-10-08 02:35:29 PM
This right here is why the teacher is a complete idiot:

the school, where 22 per cent of the student body is Native American.  

It didn't even occur to him to give this worksheet a second glance?
 
2012-10-08 02:45:10 PM
It's sad that so many native Americans assume that any reference to their culture is automatically a negative reference. In sports, there are protests of Chief Illini, The Redskins and The Braves - all of which convey admiration for the culture. Meanwhile, Irish Americans revel in Notre Dame's angry leprechaun and the Boston Celtic's vomiting Pope mascot

Really, you honestly think that? The term redskin originated when women got the vapors because Indian scalps were being sold with beaver skins (pelts), so they started calling the scalps redskins.

Chief Illini, yeah, it's offensive that the morons think that the Ilini Indians wore the headdress the put the "chief" in. That headdress is from the plains Indians, and it isn't from the Illini culture. Neither is the so called dance that the U of ILL claims is a respectful dance native dance. Right, like the any American Indians did jumping split eagles. Morons.

The Braves, not so offensive, until they start doing that stupid tomahawk chop.

Now I haven't seen the Celtics mascot. But the leprechaun? You do realize a leprechaun is a mythical being.
 
2012-10-08 03:07:36 PM
There is a mountain in Phoenix that was named Squaw Peak. About 10 years ago our Governor bypassed USGS regulations and renamed it Piestewa Peak, after the female guardsman who was killed in Iraq. Despite the illegality of the action, the name remains Piestewa Peak.

Local radio DJ's kept referring to it as the peak formerly known as Squaw Peak.
 
2012-10-08 03:17:18 PM

Oznog: Charlie Chan's style of broken English might be borderline-acceptable, hard to predict. Odd that Charlie Chan was supposed to be such a brilliant, perceptive, learning character who spent much of his life among English-speakers, and had fine pronunciation, yet never mastered English syntax.


Well, I know some pretty brilliant people for whom English is a second language, and it happens, even after decades of exposure, especially with languages that are as different in structure from English as Chinese. The distaffbopper and I are friends with some immigrant Chinese. They've been here for almost 20 years, running a business, and their syntax is still interesting.

Also, I was always under the impression that Charlie Chan's pidgen-ish grammar was disarming, an affectation to keep others from taking him too seriously as a threat.
 
2012-10-08 03:29:22 PM
So the 1960 Winter Olympics were held in a place called Coont Valley? Was there any controversy around the word back then?
 
2012-10-08 03:59:30 PM

Need_MindBleach: Mouser: rufus-t-firefly: Subdue their bellies: Squaw is the new n-word? Double plus good!

White guys don't get to decide what what words are offensive to minorities.

Indians were calling their womenfolk "squaws" long before whitey picked up the term.

Being on the receiving end of racism doesn't absolve you of being on the giving end of sexism.

Imagine if some douchebags came to your continent, sneezed on you and wiped out 90% of your population, killed some of you, shoved the rest onto reservations, and then declared that your word meaning "woman" was highly offensive and that you should feel ashamed for using it.


They're free to borrow some of our words for "woman".
 
2012-10-08 05:01:49 PM

ThrobblefootSpectre: We are doing relatively well as a nation and society when this is sort of stuff that makes international news.

Middle East: Syria, Turkey, Isreal and Palestine still lobbing missiles at each other's civilian centers
Europe: Riots continue as rising debt problems threaten to destabilize region.
Africa: Child soldiers being used to fight brutal wars.
U.S.: Someone found the word squaw on their kids homework assignment and was offended.


Don't get too proud of us yet. We're only weeks removed from a few violent murderous rampages in our own backyards.
 
2012-10-08 05:59:52 PM

Whodat: A Chippewa getting upset about an Algonquin term is akin to me getting upset by someone using "pirge".


Chippewa and Algonquin are either barely distinct languages or just divergent dialects. Seems fine to me.
 
2012-10-08 06:47:24 PM
The legend lives on from the Chippewa on down of the bad word they now call the "S" word.
Although ti's been shown to be obscure and unknown, it's as harmless as calling one a turd.
And FARK on a lark had a thread about it and nothing of strong sauce accomplished
The whites and the reds both went to their beds and tried to figure out Squamish
 
2012-10-09 11:29:26 AM

Hermione_Granger: Subby is wrong. The parents are right.

I'm so glad that more and more white people are waking up to the fact that some words are pejorative and hurtful. I'm also very glad that there are white folks out there who are refusing to train their children to be racists.

Seems to me subby belongs to the realm of unenlightened white people who get butthurt when they can't say any insensitive effing thing they want without being called on it.

This is the hope and change I've been looking for. A bit of silver lining to start my day.


Or maybe the teacher isn't a walking dictionary of vaginal euphemisms? Did he write the math lesson, or merely hand it out?
 
2012-10-09 11:32:16 AM

masercot: Since I've been a kid, it's always been acceptable to be racist against American Indians in this country. Why is that?


When Native Americans stop joining the US Army and Marines and go off to fark over Vietnamese, Iraqis, Afghans, etc., then I'll listen to the sob stories about Wounded Knee. Oh right, they're Proud Warriors when they light up natives overseas.
 
2012-10-09 01:20:55 PM

BolshyGreatYarblocks: masercot: Since I've been a kid, it's always been acceptable to be racist against American Indians in this country. Why is that?

When Native Americans stop joining the US Army and Marines and go off to fark over Vietnamese, Iraqis, Afghans, etc., then I'll listen to the sob stories about Wounded Knee. Oh right, they're Proud Warriors when they light up natives overseas.


Are you retarded, son? The poorest go off to fight wars because those are the jobs they can get. A lot of American Indians live in poverty...

Guess you'll be doin' a minstrel show next, eh boy?
 
2012-10-09 04:07:31 PM
Don't be Wisconsin Don't be Wisconsin Don't be Wisconsin
...damnit
we are THIS close to getting our own tag.
 
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