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(Daily Mail)   What happened after Chief Short Cake died? Some helicopter parents got all butthurt because a homework lesson used the word "Squaw"   (dailymail.co.uk) divider line 148
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2012-10-08 10:38:18 AM  

advex101: Nubianardly? Really? The filters need a dictionary.


I believe the politically correct form is "attractive and successful".
 
2012-10-08 10:39:48 AM  
man, the First Nations people here must really hate their town's name then:"

mw2.google.com
(just outside Vancouver, Canada)
 
2012-10-08 10:40:39 AM  

HST's Dead Carcass: thamike: The student, 17-year-old Noah Archer, received and completed the assignment on September 28 at the school

[i.dailymail.co.uk image 634x843]

I would be much more upset that this was a math assignment for high school seniors in the first place.

MissFeasance: That's math homework for a 17 year old?

Totally this! And, when did Algonquian become derogatory? All around, this is some serious BS!

/native American
//why don't you all go back to your native countries, morans!


I got a boat, You used to have a land bridge.... Get swimming. I hear Siberia is great this time of year.
 
2012-10-08 10:41:17 AM  

Deep Contact: Marine1: Deep Contact: Still OK that Europeans murdered thousands of Indians.

Uh... says who?

US Government


Uh... how?
 
2012-10-08 10:46:54 AM  

Marine1:
Uh... how?


That's racist.
 
2012-10-08 10:47:28 AM  

dittybopper: Marine1:
Uh... how?

That's racist.


Lulz.
 
2012-10-08 10:52:15 AM  
Uh-oh.

mappery.com
 
2012-10-08 10:53:42 AM  

Insatiable Jesus: What a squaw may look like:

[24.media.tumblr.com image 497x683]


Okay, who is she, and where did you find that picture?
/Save!
 
2012-10-08 10:54:51 AM  

Marine1: Deep Contact: Marine1: Deep Contact: Still OK that Europeans murdered thousands of Indians.

Uh... says who?

US Government

Uh... how?


i1136.photobucket.com

And how!
 
2012-10-08 10:58:19 AM  

airsupport: I will again lament the paltry lack of native American pornography out there.


You think that's bad? There is a dearth of good albino midget granny amputee porn out there.
 
2012-10-08 10:59:27 AM  
We are doing relatively well as a nation and society when this is sort of stuff that makes international news.

Middle East: Syria, Turkey, Isreal and Palestine still lobbing missiles at each other's civilian centers
Europe: Riots continue as rising debt problems threaten to destabilize region.
Africa: Child soldiers being used to fight brutal wars.
U.S.: Someone found the word squaw on their kids homework assignment and was offended.
 
2012-10-08 11:05:00 AM  

rewind2846: willfullyobscure:

Not sure of your point since according to that link there appears to dozens, if not hundreds of slurs for white people? Add in the Catholics and we're definitely into three digits.


"American origin". WASPs. Not foreign. "Compared to other races and ethnic groups".
Try reading what I wrote first before posting an answer next time.


America. Unclear on the concept? Or did you think we all got here by springing out of the sown earth, like Spartoi? "WASP" covers a landmass that extends from Budapest toHammerfest to Omagh, my boy.
 
2012-10-08 11:10:53 AM  

Hermione_Granger: Subby is wrong. The parents are right.

I'm so glad that more and more white people are waking up to the fact that some words are pejorative and hurtful. I'm also very glad that there are white folks out there who are refusing to train their children to be racists.

Seems to me subby belongs to the realm of unenlightened white people who get butthurt when they can't say any insensitive effing thing they want without being called on it.

This is the hope and change I've been looking for. A bit of silver lining to start my day.


Almost had it but for that last line.

6/10
 
2012-10-08 11:11:47 AM  

rufus-t-firefly: Subdue their bellies: Squaw is the new n-word? Double plus good!

White guys don't get to decide what what words are offensive to minorities.


Indians were calling their womenfolk "squaws" long before whitey picked up the term.

Being on the receiving end of racism doesn't absolve you of being on the giving end of sexism.
 
2012-10-08 11:26:38 AM  

ThrobblefootSpectre: We are doing relatively well as a nation and society when this is sort of stuff that makes international news.

Middle East: Syria, Turkey, Isreal and Palestine still lobbing missiles at each other's civilian centers
Europe: Riots continue as rising debt problems threaten to destabilize region.
Africa: Child soldiers being used to fight brutal wars.
U.S.: Someone found the word squaw on their kids homework assignment and was offended.


six out of the last eight articles were from outside the US

England: Welsh man welshes on his hotel bill
England: people are calling 999 for silly things
England: Smoking-hot 18 year old drinks liquid nitrogen
England: Hand-Egg player has his balls removed
China: some Chinese guy is still there
US: New Hampshire hillbilly stabs another over a pile of tires in the front "yard"
England: Butterfaced goth really really likes corsets

England must be doing pretty well as a country
 
2012-10-08 11:27:35 AM  
Lots of people here missing the point entirely - shocking, I know.

It doesn't matter what the origins of the word 'squaw' are, or whether or not it's Oprah's fault it has negative connotations (disregarding the much older literary examples outlined by rufus-tfirefly above).

What matters is that many First Nations people, Algonquin and otherwise, take offense to the term. Trust me, I went to school with many Cree, Dene, and Lakota Sioux kids, among others, and let's just say they aren't fans.

So what's so difficult about avoiding the use of a term that has been established by its target group to be, in fact, offensive?

It's not about being "butthurt" or political correctness going overboard. It's about adapting our use of language to avoid unncessarily pissing off large groups of people. I think that's pretty easy to accomplish without limiting ourselves - this idea that somehow we'll run out of benign words is a laughable strawman argument at best.

In this particular case, I don't see an attention whore. I see a First Nations mother calling out a teacher for handing out an assignment (yes, a decidedly underwhelming one given the age of the student) that employs an outdated term considered offensive by the very group to which it refers.

I also see a teacher who clearly didn't work out the answer himself beforehand, but who realized his mistake and issued what appears to me to be a very sincere apology and immediately took steps to make amends.

So if all parties in the article seem to agree that this was a mistake - albeit a relatively minor one in the grand scheme of things - what's wrong with admitting that just might be the case?
 
2012-10-08 11:39:54 AM  

Rafe: Lots of people here missing the point entirely - shocking, I know.

It doesn't matter what the origins of the word 'squaw' are, or whether or not it's Oprah's fault it has negative connotations (disregarding the much older literary examples outlined by rufus-tfirefly above).

What matters is that many First Nations people, Algonquin and otherwise, take offense to the term. Trust me, I went to school with many Cree, Dene, and Lakota Sioux kids, among others, and let's just say they aren't fans.

So what's so difficult about avoiding the use of a term that has been established by its target group to be, in fact, offensive?

It's not about being "butthurt" or political correctness going overboard. It's about adapting our use of language to avoid unncessarily pissing off large groups of people. I think that's pretty easy to accomplish without limiting ourselves - this idea that somehow we'll run out of benign words is a laughable strawman argument at best.

In this particular case, I don't see an attention whore. I see a First Nations mother calling out a teacher for handing out an assignment (yes, a decidedly underwhelming one given the age of the student) that employs an outdated term considered offensive by the very group to which it refers.

I also see a teacher who clearly didn't work out the answer himself beforehand, but who realized his mistake and issued what appears to me to be a very sincere apology and immediately took steps to make amends.

So if all parties in the article seem to agree that this was a mistake - albeit a relatively minor one in the grand scheme of things - what's wrong with admitting that just might be the case?


weknowmemes.com
 
2012-10-08 11:42:36 AM  
FTA: It has previously been thought to be a derogatory term but recent historians claim it is a tribal term meaning female genitalia.

You gotta love the Daily Fail. "Sure, we thought it was a derogatory term, but it's just Indian for 'pussy'." So, according to the Daily Fail, we can call women "pussies" now, because it's not a derogatory term - just a term meaning female genitalia.

Assholes.
 
2012-10-08 11:46:18 AM  

AbbeySomeone: G.I.R.B.: AbbeySomeone: Insatiable Jesus: Squaw is not the preferred nomenclature, Larry.

Vagina. Does that word make you uncomfortable?

Just IM'd a Native American acquaintance.

"Squaw" means "coont" (in it's most derogatory), not "vagina".

*woosh


More like "sploosh" amirite?
 
2012-10-08 11:48:29 AM  

Insatiable Jesus: What a squaw may look like:

[24.media.tumblr.com image 497x683]


I'll be in my teepee.
 
2012-10-08 11:53:44 AM  
Khazar-Khum:

Sadly, no. Consider this my annual attempt to balance the scales of derp, as futile as it may be.
 
2012-10-08 11:54:55 AM  

thamike: The student, 17-year-old Noah Archer, received and completed the assignment on September 28 at the school

[i.dailymail.co.uk image 634x843]

I would be much more upset that this was a math assignment for high school seniors in the first place.


Absodamnlutely
 
2012-10-08 12:23:20 PM  
What does "burys" mean? Is that also some kind of racial slur?
 
2012-10-08 12:27:08 PM  

Rafe: So what's so difficult about avoiding the use of a term that has been established by its target group to be, in fact, offensive?


Because it's an actual, normal, non-offensive word meaning precisely what its English equivalent is among a subset of that group. They merely imagine it to be offensive in all contexts, which it plainly isn't.

I propose renaming the Adirondack mountains to something else, perhaps the "Colvin-Sargeant Mountains", because "Adirondack" is a derogatory Mohawk name for Algonquins. Then again, "Mohawk" is a derogatory term used by Algonquins for the Kanien'kehá:ka.

It's like a perfect circle of butthurt!
 
2012-10-08 12:34:13 PM  

dittybopper: Rafe: So what's so difficult about avoiding the use of a term that has been established by its target group to be, in fact, offensive?

Because it's an actual, normal, non-offensive word meaning precisely what its English equivalent is among a subset of that group. They merely imagine it to be offensive in all contexts, which it plainly isn't.

I propose renaming the Adirondack mountains to something else, perhaps the "Colvin-Sargeant Mountains", because "Adirondack" is a derogatory Mohawk name for Algonquins. Then again, "Mohawk" is a derogatory term used by Algonquins for the Kanien'kehá:ka.

It's like a perfect circle of butthurt!


Squaw may have originated with the Algonquin, but its usage has evolved (I've personally heard it used many times in a derogatory context - not towards me, mind you; I'm a white man). As such, so should we. Again, it's not about being butthurt, it's about choosing not to adress people in a way they'd prefer not to be adressed. In my world anyway, that isn't terribly difficult.

But at the risk of repeating myself, what bugs me is this silly argument that we're somehow going to run out of words that aren't considered offensive. I agree that sometimes political correctness goes way too far - I just don't think that applies in this case.

Call a First Nations woman a squaw and get back to me.
 
2012-10-08 12:50:00 PM  

Guuberre: Ummm.... no. Go back and RTFA. It's an ..ahem.. impolite reference to a female body part.


Or rather it is claimed to be so by people trying to whip up some outrage. Linguists seems pretty unanimous that it actally just means "young woman".
 
2012-10-08 12:51:15 PM  

sodomizer: The list of things you cannot say, allude to or even think about keeps growing.

Great work making us a free and open society, libs/fantasy-dwellers.


To knuckle-dragging mouth-breathers, not being able to use words like "squaw", "n***er" and "c***k" = stifling political correctness. To grownups, this is simply called "having manners."

But no, we get it, you should be entitled to be as disrespectful to minorities as you please. After all, that's why their called "minorities".
 
2012-10-08 12:51:22 PM  

Hermione_Granger: I'm so glad that more and more white people are waking up to the fact that some words are pejorative and hurtful. I'm also very glad that there are white folks out there who are refusing to train their children to be racists.


The idea that "squaw" means "vagina" is a myth, just like the one about "nitty gritty". Some people just love looking for offence.
 
2012-10-08 01:03:42 PM  

Rafe: But at the risk of repeating myself, what bugs me is this silly argument that we're somehow going to run out of words that aren't considered offensive. I agree that sometimes political correctness goes way too far - I just don't think that applies in this case.


What bugs me is that someone can be labelled a racist based the use of language that isn't widely recognized as racist.

The mother in the article said that her own son didn't know the meaning of the word. Why should we expect a random white math teacher to know enough to avoid the word?

If I were german, I can't imagine caring if my son brought home an assignment whose key ended up being something like "sour kraut". I might recognize it as slightly racist, and quietly point out to the teacher that kraut is a slur. But I wouldn't take to FB, call my school system racist, and bemoan the state of racial affairs in the country.
 
2012-10-08 01:25:56 PM  

Babwa Wawa: What bugs me is that someone can be labelled a racist based the use of language that isn't widely recognized as racist.

The mother in the article said that her own son didn't know the meaning of the word. Why should we expect a random white math teacher to know enough to avoid the word?

If I were german, I can't imagine caring if my son brought home an assignment whose key ended up being something like "sour kraut". I might recognize it as slightly racist, and quietly point out to the teacher that kraut is a slur. But I wouldn't take to FB, call my school system racist, and bemoan the state of racial affairs in the country.


I certainly don't think the teacher is a racist, but he clearly made an error in judgment. That much is apparent by his seemingly sincere and swift apology. And perhaps the mother overreacted, but at the very least this story has generated a bit of discussion on whether or not 'squaw' is still a term people should be using.

Of course, said discussion is based on a Daily Fail article, so ymmv. That rag never found a molehill out of which it couldn't make a mountain.
 
2012-10-08 01:28:03 PM  
image.retrojunk.com
/hot like a biscuit right out of the oven.
 
2012-10-08 01:57:15 PM  

Rafe: I agree that sometimes political correctness goes way too far - I just don't think that applies in this case.


See, that's the problem: No one single thing sounds like it goes to far in isolation.

I personally don't have a problem with avoiding derogatory uses of a word. In this case, however, the word was used in a pun, and not in an offensive or derogatory way, unless you consider all possible uses of the word offensive and/or derogatory. We can't consider that to be true, however: I could write a story and use the word "squaw" when talking about a female bark-eater and it would be perfectly correct and inoffensive.
 
2012-10-08 02:07:57 PM  

G.I.R.B.: AbbeySomeone: Insatiable Jesus: Squaw is not the preferred nomenclature, Larry.

Vagina. Does that word make you uncomfortable?

Just IM'd a Native American acquaintance.

"Squaw" means "coont" (in it's most derogatory), not "vagina".


NO, it DOESN'T. Straight Dope: Is "squaw" an obscene insult?

Which can all be summarized in this one quote: "It is as certain as any historical fact can be that the word squaw that the English settlers in Massachusetts used for 'Indian woman' in the early 1600s was adopted by them from the word squa that their Massachusett-speaking neighbors used in their own language to mean 'female, younger woman,' and not from Mohawk ojiskwa', 'vagina,' which has the wrong shape [sound], the wrong meaning, and was used by people with whom they then had no contact. The resemblance that might be perceived between squaw and the last syllable of the Mohawk word is coincidental."

Also scant evidence that anyone ever THOUGHT it was derogatory.

However, such culture-specific broken-English gags (not "the squaw buried Short Cake") rarely go over well, about like "Me love you long time". Charlie Chan's style of broken English might be borderline-acceptable, hard to predict. Odd that Charlie Chan was supposed to be such a brilliant, perceptive, learning character who spent much of his life among English-speakers, and had fine pronunciation, yet never mastered English syntax.
 
2012-10-08 02:21:44 PM  

orbister: Hermione_Granger: I'm so glad that more and more white people are waking up to the fact that some words are pejorative and hurtful. I'm also very glad that there are white folks out there who are refusing to train their children to be racists.

The idea that "squaw" means "vagina" is a myth, just like the one about "nitty gritty". Some people just love looking for offence.


Hey, you leave the Nitty Gritty out of this! They have delicious burgers!!
 
2012-10-08 02:30:16 PM  

Mouser: rufus-t-firefly: Subdue their bellies: Squaw is the new n-word? Double plus good!

White guys don't get to decide what what words are offensive to minorities.

Indians were calling their womenfolk "squaws" long before whitey picked up the term.

Being on the receiving end of racism doesn't absolve you of being on the giving end of sexism.


Imagine if some douchebags came to your continent, sneezed on you and wiped out 90% of your population, killed some of you, shoved the rest onto reservations, and then declared that your word meaning "woman" was highly offensive and that you should feel ashamed for using it.
 
2012-10-08 02:32:50 PM  

SevenT: What does "burys" mean? Is that also some kind of racial slur?


Shorthand for these guys.

upload.wikimedia.org
 
2012-10-08 02:35:29 PM  
This right here is why the teacher is a complete idiot:

the school, where 22 per cent of the student body is Native American.  

It didn't even occur to him to give this worksheet a second glance?
 
2012-10-08 02:45:10 PM  
It's sad that so many native Americans assume that any reference to their culture is automatically a negative reference. In sports, there are protests of Chief Illini, The Redskins and The Braves - all of which convey admiration for the culture. Meanwhile, Irish Americans revel in Notre Dame's angry leprechaun and the Boston Celtic's vomiting Pope mascot

Really, you honestly think that? The term redskin originated when women got the vapors because Indian scalps were being sold with beaver skins (pelts), so they started calling the scalps redskins.

Chief Illini, yeah, it's offensive that the morons think that the Ilini Indians wore the headdress the put the "chief" in. That headdress is from the plains Indians, and it isn't from the Illini culture. Neither is the so called dance that the U of ILL claims is a respectful dance native dance. Right, like the any American Indians did jumping split eagles. Morons.

The Braves, not so offensive, until they start doing that stupid tomahawk chop.

Now I haven't seen the Celtics mascot. But the leprechaun? You do realize a leprechaun is a mythical being.
 
2012-10-08 03:07:36 PM  
There is a mountain in Phoenix that was named Squaw Peak. About 10 years ago our Governor bypassed USGS regulations and renamed it Piestewa Peak, after the female guardsman who was killed in Iraq. Despite the illegality of the action, the name remains Piestewa Peak.

Local radio DJ's kept referring to it as the peak formerly known as Squaw Peak.
 
2012-10-08 03:17:18 PM  

Oznog: Charlie Chan's style of broken English might be borderline-acceptable, hard to predict. Odd that Charlie Chan was supposed to be such a brilliant, perceptive, learning character who spent much of his life among English-speakers, and had fine pronunciation, yet never mastered English syntax.


Well, I know some pretty brilliant people for whom English is a second language, and it happens, even after decades of exposure, especially with languages that are as different in structure from English as Chinese. The distaffbopper and I are friends with some immigrant Chinese. They've been here for almost 20 years, running a business, and their syntax is still interesting.

Also, I was always under the impression that Charlie Chan's pidgen-ish grammar was disarming, an affectation to keep others from taking him too seriously as a threat.
 
2012-10-08 03:29:22 PM  
So the 1960 Winter Olympics were held in a place called Coont Valley? Was there any controversy around the word back then?
 
2012-10-08 03:59:30 PM  

Need_MindBleach: Mouser: rufus-t-firefly: Subdue their bellies: Squaw is the new n-word? Double plus good!

White guys don't get to decide what what words are offensive to minorities.

Indians were calling their womenfolk "squaws" long before whitey picked up the term.

Being on the receiving end of racism doesn't absolve you of being on the giving end of sexism.

Imagine if some douchebags came to your continent, sneezed on you and wiped out 90% of your population, killed some of you, shoved the rest onto reservations, and then declared that your word meaning "woman" was highly offensive and that you should feel ashamed for using it.


They're free to borrow some of our words for "woman".
 
2012-10-08 05:59:52 PM  

Whodat: A Chippewa getting upset about an Algonquin term is akin to me getting upset by someone using "pirge".


Chippewa and Algonquin are either barely distinct languages or just divergent dialects. Seems fine to me.
 
2012-10-08 06:47:24 PM  
The legend lives on from the Chippewa on down of the bad word they now call the "S" word.
Although ti's been shown to be obscure and unknown, it's as harmless as calling one a turd.
And FARK on a lark had a thread about it and nothing of strong sauce accomplished
The whites and the reds both went to their beds and tried to figure out Squamish
 
2012-10-09 11:29:26 AM  

Hermione_Granger: Subby is wrong. The parents are right.

I'm so glad that more and more white people are waking up to the fact that some words are pejorative and hurtful. I'm also very glad that there are white folks out there who are refusing to train their children to be racists.

Seems to me subby belongs to the realm of unenlightened white people who get butthurt when they can't say any insensitive effing thing they want without being called on it.

This is the hope and change I've been looking for. A bit of silver lining to start my day.


Or maybe the teacher isn't a walking dictionary of vaginal euphemisms? Did he write the math lesson, or merely hand it out?
 
2012-10-09 11:32:16 AM  

masercot: Since I've been a kid, it's always been acceptable to be racist against American Indians in this country. Why is that?


When Native Americans stop joining the US Army and Marines and go off to fark over Vietnamese, Iraqis, Afghans, etc., then I'll listen to the sob stories about Wounded Knee. Oh right, they're Proud Warriors when they light up natives overseas.
 
2012-10-09 01:20:55 PM  

BolshyGreatYarblocks: masercot: Since I've been a kid, it's always been acceptable to be racist against American Indians in this country. Why is that?

When Native Americans stop joining the US Army and Marines and go off to fark over Vietnamese, Iraqis, Afghans, etc., then I'll listen to the sob stories about Wounded Knee. Oh right, they're Proud Warriors when they light up natives overseas.


Are you retarded, son? The poorest go off to fight wars because those are the jobs they can get. A lot of American Indians live in poverty...

Guess you'll be doin' a minstrel show next, eh boy?
 
2012-10-09 04:07:31 PM  
Don't be Wisconsin Don't be Wisconsin Don't be Wisconsin
...damnit
we are THIS close to getting our own tag.
 
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