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2012-10-08 07:55:44 AM

stoli n coke: Mrbogey: padraig: Chavez more than halved the poverty rate in his country. How hard is it to believe that he's popular?

Mussolini got the trains to run on time. Hitler rebuilt the German nation. Mao advanced China into the industrial age. Lenin turned a country of serfs into a modern Republic.

Imagine how much progress we'd have in the world if we just let a single strong man do whatever he wanted?

Yes, a tinpot dictator in Venezuela is exactly the same as Hitler.

Are there any foreign leaders you guys don't shiat yourselves over?


Perhaps you should work on better understanding analogies. Analogies have limits and you're purposefully expanding mine past its limit.
 
2012-10-08 07:55:50 AM
B-b-b-b-ut Monroe Doctrine!

57% is more believable than "The vote was 51-49% Trust us! -- love, Diebold"
 
2012-10-08 08:04:00 AM
I hope you all realize the bullet we dodged here.

If Hugo had lost, Sean Penn, Danny Glover, Jon Voight and half of Hollywood might have mass suicided in mourning over his loss

/And nothing of value would have been lost
 
2012-10-08 08:04:09 AM
t1.gstatic.com
 
2012-10-08 08:05:19 AM

tomWright: I hope you all realize the bullet we dodged here.

If Hugo had lost, Sean Penn, Danny Glover, Jon Voight and half of Hollywood might have mass suicided in mourning over his loss

/And nothing of value would have been lost


wat
 
2012-10-08 08:15:50 AM

dickfreckle: tomWright: I hope you all realize the bullet we dodged here.

If Hugo had lost, Sean Penn, Danny Glover, Jon Voight and half of Hollywood might have mass suicided in mourning over his loss

/And nothing of value would have been lost

wat


Hey, some people need their boogie men more than others
 
2012-10-08 08:22:25 AM
relax...he's only president for life.
 
2012-10-08 08:24:46 AM
And dying of cancer.
 
2012-10-08 08:28:26 AM

Trapper439: I've never really understood why so many Americans would give the remotest flying shiat about who is in power in Venezuela. Or post-Cuban-Missile-Crisis Cuba for that matter.

Genuine question: Why do any of you care about Hugo Chavez? What differentiates Venezuela from, say, Paraguay?


The answer, as always, is OIL. Venezuela is part of OPEC and is sitting on a 350 BILLION barrel reserve and it chaps American big oil interest asses that not only has Chavez nationalized the industry rather than letting BIG OIL control it, but that it's on our own side of the globe, and yet they have yet to come up with a WMD type claim to validate conquering the nation for our own interests.
 
2012-10-08 08:30:22 AM
i.imgur.com
 
2012-10-08 08:36:46 AM
Lot of internet news on exit polls showing he lost. Also news that exit polling is illegal in Venezuela.

/how handy
 
2012-10-08 08:39:42 AM
Here's my surprise face

:-|
 
2012-10-08 08:47:10 AM
So, a leftist dictator was challenged by a rich, out-of-touch elitist douchebag?
 
2012-10-08 08:53:36 AM
I suppose the other guy possibly...maybe..could have been worse, but I somehow doubt it. Hugo is no Kim Jong Il, but I sure wouldn't want him running my country. :/

Link
 
2012-10-08 09:11:26 AM
Fark you subby, that guy's an asshole. Cancer or not.
 
2012-10-08 09:13:44 AM

Mrbogey: padraig: Chavez more than halved the poverty rate in his country. How hard is it to believe that he's popular?

Mussolini got the trains to run on time. Hitler rebuilt the German nation. Mao advanced China into the industrial age. Lenin turned a country of serfs into a modern Republic.

Imagine how much progress we'd have in the world if we just let a single strong man do whatever he wanted?


Assuming this is simply ill-informed instead of trolling...

The claim about Mussolini is an urban myth.

Mao led to mass famines in China - the industrial expansion occurred afterwards, i.e. when Deng Xiaoping took over.

Hitler's economic policies weren't as good as claimed.

Lenin didn't do much; Stalin was the main reason Russia/USSR modernised.
 
2012-10-08 09:16:46 AM

elementalogic: Trapper439: elementalogic: Trapper439: Genuine question: Why do any of you care about Hugo Chavez?

I like to keep tabs on former members of the Two Minute Hate club.

You seriously don't get the irony of that statement, do you? Let me give you a clue: Venezuela and Hugo Chavez are not in any conceivable way a threat to the United States. It just looks like mindless pantswetting to an outsider. Does China shiat its pants at the prospect of free elections in Burma?

Seriously, I'd like to hear more. How does Hugo Chavez threaten the US? Who exactly is indulging in Orwellian fear-mongering here?

I think your sarcasm meter might need retuning. Chavez isn't in any way a threat to the US, except in the fact that he's just another of the growing list of leaders in the Americas who are just not folding to US demands. Forty years ago he would have taken his marching orders from Washington or simply faced assassination or being overthrown in a US backed coup.

The fact that he's regularly trotted out as a boogie man by the US only makes sense when you regard it from the perspective of a nation who got accustomed to basically running the show in this hemisphere for nearly a century and now has to come to grips with the fact that it just doesn't hold as much geopolitical sway as it used to. Compared to many of the leaders that continent has had in the last 60 years Chavez, warts and all, is a farking saint.


I agree with you. How the hell you expected me to not see your Boobies as a prime example of Poe's Law is beyond me, but ultimately I agree with you.
 
2012-10-08 09:18:03 AM
Wow this is really sad. Because the rest of the Western hemisphere, except for Cuba, is a perfect democratic paradise, and then Chavez has to go and screw it all up.
 
2012-10-08 09:23:11 AM

WaitWhatWhy: stoli n coke: It's admirable that you let special needs folks be your Facebook friends.

Friend of a friend, but I'm still going to have a good time with the ol' fact bat tonight when I get on Facebook.


Oh, I thought that was one of those secret word posts.
 
2012-10-08 09:25:55 AM

Mrbogey: padraig: Chavez more than halved the poverty rate in his country. How hard is it to believe that he's popular?

Mussolini got the trains to run on time. Hitler rebuilt the German nation. Mao advanced China into the industrial age. Lenin turned a country of serfs into a modern Republic.

Imagine how much progress we'd have in the world if we just let a single strong man do whatever he wanted?


John Galt save us!
 
2012-10-08 09:29:49 AM

d-notice: Mrbogey: padraig: Chavez more than halved the poverty rate in his country. How hard is it to believe that he's popular?

Mussolini got the trains to run on time. Hitler rebuilt the German nation. Mao advanced China into the industrial age. Lenin turned a country of serfs into a modern Republic.

Imagine how much progress we'd have in the world if we just let a single strong man do whatever he wanted?

Assuming this is simply ill-informed instead of trolling...

The claim about Mussolini is an urban myth.

Mao led to mass famines in China - the industrial expansion occurred afterwards, i.e. when Deng Xiaoping took over.

Hitler's economic policies weren't as good as claimed.

Lenin didn't do much; Stalin was the main reason Russia/USSR modernised.


And Chavez hasn't been all that great for Venezuela's economy but popular perception rules. Also, I know that about Mussolini but it's a common enough praise of him. Considering Germany went from a failed hyperinflationary state to something somewhat functional its still an improvement. In regards to China and the Soviets, with where they were at the start to where they were the locals still give them lots of credit. Hell, Mao's failure is all but excused and blamed on others.

The point is strongmen take a lot of credit for success... Deservedly or not. Doesn't justify their autocracy.
 
2012-10-08 09:30:01 AM
People voted for socialism!? They obviously don't know what's good for them. We should send the CIA down there and fix this little problem. Allende style.
 
2012-10-08 09:37:03 AM

FarkedOver: People voted for socialism!? They obviously don't know what's good for them. We should send the CIA down there and fix this little problem. Allende style.


We may take their lives... But they'll never take our right to take their lives to give them... FREEDOM!

www.hotflick.net
 
2012-10-08 09:38:24 AM

Trapper439: FarkedOver: People voted for socialism!? They obviously don't know what's good for them. We should send the CIA down there and fix this little problem. Allende style.

We may take their lives... But they'll never take our right to take their lives to give them... FREEDOM!

[www.hotflick.net image 720x540]


Exactly! Some times you have to force people to be "free".
 
2012-10-08 09:39:01 AM

jso2897: Is this the thread where citizens of a nation that Elected George Bush to a second term make fun of Venezualan voters for being so dumb?


You expected people to elect Kerry? Seriously? Bush won by default. I guess you could call that "elected".
 
2012-10-08 09:39:08 AM

elementalogic: Only 57% of the vote? You're slipping, Chavs.


Nah, this is the 21st Century. 99% for party candidate with 99% turnout is so 70s USSR.
 
2012-10-08 09:39:08 AM

erik-k: Ugh, this a-hole is still around? <sadface>

It's sort of sad that we have here an actual example of what "socialist thuggery" looks like, yet GOPers are too brainwashed to see it doesn't remotely resemble anything what passes for the left in the US does or supports.


Meh. Don't be mad because Chavez can create what you FarkLIbs would love to have happen here in the U.S.

Vote Hart.
 
2012-10-08 09:42:19 AM
I don't have a ton to add about the political situation. I just thought I'd point out that having my clock radio set to NPR and then falling back asleep after it goes off causes me to have some freaking bizarre dreams. This morning, I wound up dreaming that Hugo Chavez had coerced me into taking a job delivering a cooler of chocolate ice cream to a Venezuelan space station, but that the mission was delayed because one of the rocket boosters was stuck in traffic on I-93.
 
2012-10-08 09:42:31 AM
Subby, you should have put the ''s around 'election', not 'wins'.

You did nail the part about the Fark Politics tab salivating over this guy, though.
 
2012-10-08 09:43:09 AM

Teresaol31: Trapper439: I've never really understood why so many Americans would give the remotest flying shiat about who is in power in Venezuela. Or post-Cuban-Missile-Crisis Cuba for that matter.

Genuine question: Why do any of you care about Hugo Chavez? What differentiates Venezuela from, say, Paraguay?

The answer, as always, is OIL. Venezuela is part of OPEC and is sitting on a 350 BILLION barrel reserve and it chaps American big oil interest asses that not only has Chavez nationalized the industry rather than letting BIG OIL control it, but that it's on our own side of the globe, and yet they have yet to come up with a WMD type claim to validate conquering the nation for our own interests.


Err, not really. Venezuela is completely dependent on the US to process their extra heavy sulfur polluted crude.

As far as caring, he love to vocally shiat on the US, so we'll vocally shiat on him. Not liking the douche says nothing about oil.
 
2012-10-08 09:44:38 AM

bhcompy: Teresaol31: Trapper439: I've never really understood why so many Americans would give the remotest flying shiat about who is in power in Venezuela. Or post-Cuban-Missile-Crisis Cuba for that matter.

Genuine question: Why do any of you care about Hugo Chavez? What differentiates Venezuela from, say, Paraguay?

The answer, as always, is OIL. Venezuela is part of OPEC and is sitting on a 350 BILLION barrel reserve and it chaps American big oil interest asses that not only has Chavez nationalized the industry rather than letting BIG OIL control it, but that it's on our own side of the globe, and yet they have yet to come up with a WMD type claim to validate conquering the nation for our own interests.

Err, not really. Venezuela is completely dependent on the US to process their extra heavy sulfur polluted crude.

As far as caring, he love to vocally shiat on the US, so we'll vocally shiat on him. Not liking the douche says nothing about oil.


I wonder why he shiats on the US so much. Oh wait.....

Link
 
2012-10-08 09:48:06 AM

padraig: Chavez more than halved the poverty rate in his country. How hard is it to believe that he's popular?


I believe the answer has two parts: because we don't like him and more importantly because SOCIALIUZM!

/yes I'm sure he doesn't run clean elections; every outside observer has accused him of fraud
//but he's good for the people of his country and bad for foreign business interests.
 
2012-10-08 09:56:19 AM

Trapper439: I've never really understood why so many Americans would give the remotest flying shiat about who is in power in Venezuela. Or post-Cuban-Missile-Crisis Cuba for that matter.

Genuine question: Why do any of you care about Hugo Chavez? What differentiates Venezuela from, say, Paraguay?


Honestly? Besides the obvious economic tie (oil which is processed exclusively in the US), Chavez provides a model for other Latin American nations (Bolivia comes immediately to mind) who are following his plundering methodology in their own economies. In the long run, a country which forces workers to produce goods (such as food) for less than the cost of production is going to cannibalize itself into the sort of mess that Allende caused in Chile, with hyper-inflation and a meal costing as much as a month's salary. This means yet another, even more brutal dictator ala Pinochet, or, even worse, large-scale famine. And before you start the silliness about the US not caring about brown people, remember that Hispanics constitute the largest minority group in the US and both parties consider them up for grabs.

In addition, while definitely the lesser party, Chavez is tied himself up with the Axis of Assholes - Iran, North Korea, China, Syria, and the like. In addition, he is spending massive amounts of money in funding a really nasty terrorist organization (FARC) that threatens our ally, Colombia. Which means we have to spend more money helping out in that mess.

/Love the idea of fair elections with government troops deployed at all polling places.
 
2012-10-08 10:06:26 AM

FarkedOver: I wonder why he shiats on the US so much. Oh wait.....


America the boogeyman. It was very convenient for Chavez to blame the US considering what happened decades ago and the political climate at the time. Doesn't mean they had anything to do with it, and no compelling evidence has ever come out suggesting anything other than our ears picked up word of it happening and did nothing to do stop it.
 
2012-10-08 10:21:37 AM

bhcompy: FarkedOver: I wonder why he shiats on the US so much. Oh wait.....

America the boogeyman. It was very convenient for Chavez to blame the US considering what happened decades ago and the political climate at the time. Doesn't mean they had anything to do with it, and no compelling evidence has ever come out suggesting anything other than our ears picked up word of it happening and did nothing to do stop it.


2002 wasn't exactly "decades ago".
 
2012-10-08 10:25:06 AM

bhcompy: FarkedOver: I wonder why he shiats on the US so much. Oh wait.....

America the boogeyman. It was very convenient for Chavez to blame the US considering what happened decades ago and the political climate at the time. Doesn't mean they had anything to do with it, and no compelling evidence has ever come out suggesting anything other than our ears picked up word of it happening and did nothing to do stop it.


As soon as the US heard there was a coup, they immediately recognized the new government. It was then awesome to see the people of Venezuela demonstrate and bring their ousted leader back from the clutches of pro-business ass wipes.
 
2012-10-08 10:27:59 AM

Moopy Mac: 2002 wasn't exactly "decades ago".


Decades ago being Bay of Pigs and other actual US backed coup attempts. Comprehension.
 
2012-10-08 10:30:35 AM
Hugo Chavez wins "election" in Venezuela...
 
2012-10-08 10:34:13 AM

FarkedOver: As soon as the US heard there was a coup, they immediately recognized the new government. It was then awesome to see the people of Venezuela demonstrate and bring their ousted leader back from the clutches of pro-business ass wipes.


What does that have to do with anything? There also is limited recognition of the junta in Burma and there was limited recognition of the Taliban as leaders of their nations. That's not a coup.

As far as the Venezuelan people, for every positive demonstrator there are ones demonstrating against, though the ones demonstrating for don't become political prisoners
 
2012-10-08 10:35:27 AM
Meh, I have a feeling he won't finish his term this time.
 
2012-10-08 10:39:37 AM

bhcompy: FarkedOver: As soon as the US heard there was a coup, they immediately recognized the new government. It was then awesome to see the people of Venezuela demonstrate and bring their ousted leader back from the clutches of pro-business ass wipes.

What does that have to do with anything? There also is limited recognition of the junta in Burma and there was limited recognition of the Taliban as leaders of their nations. That's not a coup.

As far as the Venezuelan people, for every positive demonstrator there are ones demonstrating against, though the ones demonstrating for don't become political prisoners


The U.S. administration actually met with the leaders of the coup just weeks before the actual coup. There was at least tacit approval by the United States Government at the time. Lord knows we won't know the full extent of US actions for years once everything is declassified.

The U.S. has been farking around in central and south america for years. The U.S. will continue to do so for years to come.
 
2012-10-08 10:42:43 AM

FarkedOver: bhcompy: FarkedOver: As soon as the US heard there was a coup, they immediately recognized the new government. It was then awesome to see the people of Venezuela demonstrate and bring their ousted leader back from the clutches of pro-business ass wipes.

What does that have to do with anything? There also is limited recognition of the junta in Burma and there was limited recognition of the Taliban as leaders of their nations. That's not a coup.

As far as the Venezuelan people, for every positive demonstrator there are ones demonstrating against, though the ones demonstrating for don't become political prisoners

The U.S. administration actually met with the leaders of the coup just weeks before the actual coup. There was at least tacit approval by the United States Government at the time. Lord knows we won't know the full extent of US actions for years once everything is declassified.

The U.S. has been farking around in central and south america for years. The U.S. will continue to do so for years to come.


And every source from every side of the political arena, even ones that would benefit from claiming what you claim, have stated that there is no evidence of anything other than some moral support for their cause and strong suggestions they should pursue their ends through legal means.
 
2012-10-08 11:08:51 AM
why the sarcasm subby? I have it on good authority that Venezuela is VERY good at counting.
 
2012-10-08 11:16:00 AM
I'm not saying the election was rigged, but...

Until former President Carter certifies the results we should be a bit skeptical.
 
d23 [TotalFark]
2012-10-08 11:45:17 AM
This will shock a lot of people on Fark, but you know it is possible to think Romney is an idiot and not be a communist.
 
F42
2012-10-08 11:46:55 AM
Subby, what's with the quotes around the word 'wins'?

Can't bring yourself to write it down?
 
2012-10-08 12:09:17 PM

theknuckler_33: GAT_00: xanadian: elementalogic: Only 57% of the vote? You're slipping, Chavs.

Well, at least he made the voter fraud more believable...

/was expecting at *least* 90% of the vote...

He had to make it believable. With Bush yelling at everybody, he could cast himself as a shield against the outrageous slings of America, and that kept his popularity up for years. Since Obama has rightly pretty much ignored him, most of his popular support system has collapsed to where it's obvious that he is hated. He had to make it a win, but only a small one, to make the election seem legitimate.

I think the election, in general, was probably pretty fair. Where Chavez has the advantage is that he controls the media and most major industries, so he controls the narrative and essentially buys the votes of the poor.


It's also not his style. As a rule he doesn't operate his oppression like a state actor, he operates it like a religious leader. Angry mobs of "Chavistas" will do pretty much all the voter suppression and violent thuggeyr he needs done WITHOUT direct orders. He just uses the local equivalent of the emergency broadcast system to give some long speeches and propaganda who "the enemy" is and who "shouldn't vote" and then it happens because the peasants who were starving are now being fed.

Why dirty your hands with assassinations and targeted beatings when you can just have angry mobs do it for you because they have no fear of arrest and you can still deny responsibility because you never gave them direct orders? Sure it means all kinds of problems with social disorder but as long as you got the oil still flowing (production has not increased but it has stopped falling) you can make up for the lack of internal development.
 
2012-10-08 01:50:36 PM
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d23: This will shock a lot of people on Fark, but you know it is possible to think Romney is an idiot and not be a communist.


It will shock them. They can't remember anything before the primary. They are often shocked to see a ball of fire in the sky each morning.
 
2012-10-08 02:46:53 PM

Moopy Mac:
2002 wasn't exactly "decades ago".


Dog years: Multiply by 7, eg if your dog is 3 years old it's 21 in human terms.

Democrat years as seen by Republicans: Multiply by 0.1, eg The Carter Admin happened around 3 years ago. Everything bad is still Carter's fault.

Republican years as seen by Republicans: Multiply by 20, eg the Bush/Cheney Admin happened back in the dark depths of history, around or even before the time of WWII. Nothing is Bush's fault. Actually, who is this "Bush" character you're speaking of anyway? Was he that Persian guy that fought Alexander the Great?
 
2012-10-08 02:57:10 PM
what happens to Henrique Capriles now? Labor camp?
 
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