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2012-10-08 01:22:23 PM
Why would Iraqi brains leave Iraq in a country that makes 110 billion dollars from oil export?

Zombies.
 
2012-10-08 01:24:29 PM

The Evil That Lies In The Hearts Of Men: 314/: Is there a widely-accepted standard of closure in territorial disputes? I mean, not many people are suggesting the Normans give England back to the Anglo-Saxons. And Panama probably won't stop being an independent country anytime soon. But in other cases, reparations are being paid, and "who rightfully owns what" is still under discussion.

Do the big brains provide any consistent guidance on this one?

The traditional methods are:

1. Wipe out the entire population that was there before you.
2. Assimilate the conquered group through inter-marriage with their women.
3. Hundreds of years of warfare and strife.


I like number 2, that results in people getting laid.
 
2012-10-08 01:25:52 PM

liam76: Philip Francis Queeg: s2s2s2: Philip Francis Queeg: Uhh, no. Sorry, but Israel was the aggressor in 1967. "Preemptive war" is bullshiat whether it is 1941, 1967 or 2003.

Pre-emptive in this case actually meant "Attacking a force that is preparing to attack us, and is currently at our door, not hiding their intentions at all."

If you see a guy coming at you with clinched fists about to punch your face, and you get the first/best hit in, few are going to whine about your hitting first.

You understand that was the exact justification that the Japanese felt they had for the attack on Pearl Harbor don't you?

What they 'felt' would have been the exact same if Pearl harbor was on Japans border. But why I mix up facts with your Japanese propaganda.


Ahh look another moron who failed to notice that I condemned all three instances of "pre-emptive" war.
 
2012-10-08 01:31:58 PM

Cast: Shouldn't there be an angry mob burning this guys house down about right now?


Or at least attacking an undefended US consulate.
 
2012-10-08 01:33:55 PM

Philip Francis Queeg: liam76: Philip Francis Queeg: s2s2s2: Philip Francis Queeg: Uhh, no. Sorry, but Israel was the aggressor in 1967. "Preemptive war" is bullshiat whether it is 1941, 1967 or 2003.

Pre-emptive in this case actually meant "Attacking a force that is preparing to attack us, and is currently at our door, not hiding their intentions at all."

If you see a guy coming at you with clinched fists about to punch your face, and you get the first/best hit in, few are going to whine about your hitting first.

You understand that was the exact justification that the Japanese felt they had for the attack on Pearl Harbor don't you?

What they 'felt' would have been the exact same if Pearl harbor was on Japans border. But why I mix up facts with your Japanese propaganda.

Ahh look another moron who failed to notice that I condemned all three instances of "pre-emptive" war.


Don't bother, there is a reason why Liam76 is the sole inhabitant of my ignore list.
 
2012-10-08 01:36:47 PM

Philip Francis Queeg: liam76: Philip Francis Queeg: s2s2s2: Philip Francis Queeg: Uhh, no. Sorry, but Israel was the aggressor in 1967. "Preemptive war" is bullshiat whether it is 1941, 1967 or 2003.

Pre-emptive in this case actually meant "Attacking a force that is preparing to attack us, and is currently at our door, not hiding their intentions at all."

If you see a guy coming at you with clinched fists about to punch your face, and you get the first/best hit in, few are going to whine about your hitting first.

You understand that was the exact justification that the Japanese felt they had for the attack on Pearl Harbor don't you?

What they 'felt' would have been the exact same if Pearl harbor was on Japans border. But why I mix up facts with your Japanese propaganda.

Ahh look another moron who failed to notice that I condemned all three instances of "pre-emptive" war.


I didn't say if you condemned it or not (but I have come to expect that level of dishonesty from you). I was just pointing out you are a moron for putting those in the same league. Doesn't matter if you buy Japan's justification, when you put it on the same level as amassing troops along their border you are supporting Japanese propaganda.
 
2012-10-08 01:39:42 PM

Magruda: Don't bother, there is a reason why Liam76 is the sole inhabitant of my ignore list


The reason is because you made a stupid argument that states being "required to allow x", equals "forced x", and were too dishonest to admit you were wrong.
 
2012-10-08 01:45:14 PM

liam76: Philip Francis Queeg: liam76: Philip Francis Queeg: s2s2s2: Philip Francis Queeg: Uhh, no. Sorry, but Israel was the aggressor in 1967. "Preemptive war" is bullshiat whether it is 1941, 1967 or 2003.

Pre-emptive in this case actually meant "Attacking a force that is preparing to attack us, and is currently at our door, not hiding their intentions at all."

If you see a guy coming at you with clinched fists about to punch your face, and you get the first/best hit in, few are going to whine about your hitting first.

You understand that was the exact justification that the Japanese felt they had for the attack on Pearl Harbor don't you?

What they 'felt' would have been the exact same if Pearl harbor was on Japans border. But why I mix up facts with your Japanese propaganda.

Ahh look another moron who failed to notice that I condemned all three instances of "pre-emptive" war.

I didn't say if you condemned it or not (but I have come to expect that level of dishonesty from you). I was just pointing out you are a moron for putting those in the same league. Doesn't matter if you buy Japan's justification, when you put it on the same level as amassing troops along their border you are supporting Japanese propaganda.


Tell us, would the presence of Israeli troops on their border be a justification for another nation to launch a pre-emptive war on Israel?
 
2012-10-08 01:46:20 PM
Fatwa on this guy in 3.... 2.... 1..
 
2012-10-08 01:51:10 PM

Joe Blowme: Mouser: Giltric: On May 14, 1948 the state of Israel was declared. And just one day after that, on May 15, 1948 the Arabs declared war on Israel to get back Palestine.

They arabs were always keen on rescuing the land from the jews....but never keen on rescuing the Palestinians.

Why should they? Palestinians are more Jewish Jordanian than Arab.

The dirty secret of the Middle East is that despite claims to the contrary, Palestinians are not Arab. They're Jewish converts to IslamJordanian. The story of the Jewish Diaspora in the 1st-2nd Centuries AD is only half-true; not all Jews were expelled. Some remained behind, and many had converted to Christianity by that time. When the armies of Islam marched in during the 7th Century AD, these quasi-Jewish/Christian Palestinians, wanting to get in good with their conquerors, started converting over to their religion.

Seriously, the whole Palestinian mess could be solved overnight if the Palestinians would convert back to the faith of their ancestors and re-adopt Judaism. The Israeli authorities could hardly discriminate against one of their own, now could they? go back to Jordan or leave islam


Go back to Jordan?

I'm guessing you aren't familiar with the phrase "Black September."
 
2012-10-08 01:53:23 PM

liam76: What they 'felt' would have been the exact same if Pearl harbor was on Japans border.


IIRC from my wiki-ing a few weeks ago, the wiki and/or people in real life do make a distinction between pre-emptive and preventive war.

And basically say that preemptive war (6 day war by most accounts or by my account) is justifiable. Preventive war (strike on Pearl Harbor by most accounts or by my account) is not.

Not that Old Yellow-Stain would acknowledge there was any difference to the Six day war and Pearl Harbor.
 
2012-10-08 01:55:33 PM
The Mullahs are so going to fatwa writers ass.
 
2012-10-08 01:58:18 PM
There is a reason why land grabs as a spoil of war were stopped after WWII. Because it just leads to more conflict. I can think of no better example than the Palestine issue.
 
2012-10-08 01:58:31 PM
You mean being a Fundie-Racist-Jackoff is actually bad for a country?
 
2012-10-08 02:37:27 PM

HeartBurnKid: Joe Blowme: HeartBurnKid: Joe Blowme: FTA: "why didn't the Arab states spend their assets on education, health care and the infrastructures instead of wars?"

Death cults tend to have that effect on people, yea islam!!!

Yeah, we have the same problem with our local death cult in the States.

HHAHAHA yea, thats why we are a retarded 3rd world country living like its the 7th century.

Well, no, but we do spend a farkload more money on war than education, health care, or infrastructure. And it is the "conservative Christians" who are the impetus for that.


You have to keep in mind that America was founded by a bunch of try-hards. It took amazing drive for both the founders and immigrants to cross the Atlantic seeking a better life. America is a culture of working hard to benefit yourself (all jokes aside).

These cultures arent like that... they're living the same way they always have because.. well.. its what they've always done. Im not trying to insult middle eastern peoples or paint with a wide brush, but this IS a significant factor.
 
2012-10-08 02:46:51 PM

BarleyGnome: "So long as the Arabs fight tribe against tribe, so long will they be a little people, a silly people - greedy, barbarous, and cruel, as you are." - T.E. Lawrence


Turrists are destroying 'Murkia! And them Messicans are TAKING OUR JERBS!

/Sure, we're not as violent, but we ain't much better.
//And if you study history, you realize it's really a human problem.
///Ain't we humans grand?
 
2012-10-08 02:47:59 PM
You know the best thing we could do is get all of Islam to convert in mass to Judaism. That would solve all their problems pretty much.

I wonder why no one has tried to convince them of that.
 
2012-10-08 02:49:39 PM

Skraeling: Why would Iraqi brains leave Iraq in a country that makes 110 billion dollars from oil export?

wat?


Why would smart Iraqis leave Iraq when their country makes 110 billion dollars from oil export?
 
2012-10-08 02:55:43 PM

TheGreatGazoo: Sooner or later, the oil money is going to run out. Once that happens they won't be able to sell enough rugs. 90% of all exports from Saudi Arabia are petroleum products.

For starters, I can't think of one university in the Arab would that I would want to attend.


www.marketplace.org
 
2012-10-08 03:12:42 PM

PsiChick: BarleyGnome: "So long as the Arabs fight tribe against tribe, so long will they be a little people, a silly people - greedy, barbarous, and cruel, as you are." - T.E. Lawrence

Turrists are destroying 'Murkia! And them Messicans are TAKING OUR JERBS!

/Sure, we're not as violent, but we ain't much better. WTF does that even mean??
//And if you study history, you realize it's really a human problem.
///Ain't we humans grand?


Its an islam problem, and for you to support it or to justify it by denegrating your own country just shows how ignorant you are. "Aint much better" than a death cult? If you hate this country so much why are you still here? In islam you are property, here you have the right to say stupid things on fark with out wondering if you will lose your head. Come, join us in the real world.
 
2012-10-08 03:29:09 PM

Joe Blowme: PsiChick: BarleyGnome: "So long as the Arabs fight tribe against tribe, so long will they be a little people, a silly people - greedy, barbarous, and cruel, as you are." - T.E. Lawrence

Turrists are destroying 'Murkia! And them Messicans are TAKING OUR JERBS!

/Sure, we're not as violent, but we ain't much better. WTF does that even mean??
//And if you study history, you realize it's really a human problem.
///Ain't we humans grand?

Its an islam problem, and for you to support it or to justify it by denegrating your own country just shows how ignorant you are. "Aint much better" than a death cult? If you hate this country so much why are you still here? In islam you are property, here you have the right to say stupid things on fark with out wondering if you will lose your head. Come, join us in the real world.


...Wow, this was hard to decipher. I think you're confusing the theocratic-based problems of the Arabic nations in question with the racist ones.

Now, in my post, I was not talking about the theocratic-based problems, such as rampant sexism and killing others based on religion. Those are a different topic, although you'll be interested I'm sure to note that, um, actually those are features of every theocracy, not just Islam. What I was actually discussing, however, was the human habit of, during economic difficulties, blaming a foreign enemy.

Louis XIV, the Sun King, blamed the Protestants when France started heading downhill due to his horrible policies. Germany, during World War II, blamed the Jewish people. In modern times, the Arab nations blame America\Israel, and America in turn blames the Arabs (under the moniker of 'terrorists') and Mexico.

That doesn't mean I support it, quite the opposite--I find it disgusting and shameful that we are so damned stupid we keep doing this. But calling it an Islamic or Arabic problem means you're trying to treat bronchitis when your patient is missing a limb. It's not just futile, it causes new problems that we'll spend decades solving.
 
2012-10-08 04:00:06 PM
And basically say that preemptive war (6 day war by most accounts or by my account) is justifiable. Preventive war (strike on Pearl Harbor by most accounts or by my account) is not.


You're missing a slight detail here.

1967 was not a preemptive war.

In May, weeks beforehand, Egypt placed Israel's port of Eilat under a blockade.

That's an act of war. Ergo, Egypt had started the war weeks beforehand.

Egypt wanted a simmering war.

Israel decided on a boiling hot war.

Once you decide to make war, you don't get to set the terms under which the war will be fought.
 
2012-10-08 04:13:04 PM
Both Israel and the Palestinians are equally bad, so let Palestinians blow up Israeli school children!
 
2012-10-08 04:19:18 PM

ocschwar: You're missing a slight detail here.

1967 was not a preemptive war.

In May, weeks beforehand, Egypt placed Israel's port of Eilat under a blockade.

That's an act of war.


I think that's a reasonable position. But either the Six Day War was a justifiable reaction to Egypt's War, or a justifiable pre-emptive war, it was certainly not an unjustifiable preventive war like Pearl Harbor.

But convince Old Yellow-Stain of that.
 
2012-10-08 04:59:14 PM

beta_plus: Both Israel and the Palestinians are equally bad, so let Palestinians blow up Israeli school children!


I'm pretty sure WAY more Palestinian children have been blown up in the past decade.
 
2012-10-08 06:17:12 PM

LibertyHiller: Celine Dion was alive in 1859?


No, no; this was about an American pig.
 
2012-10-08 06:26:21 PM

Magruda: I'm pretty sure WAY more Palestinian children have been blown up in the past decade.


This logic always astounds me. How dare Israel build fortified bomb shelters and sophisticated alarm systems in the towns and cities bombed by the palestinians! they should march the israelis to the street so they can die and even up the numbers. The palestinians do the opposite: march their children to be human shields for the courageous mujaheddin. This is propaganda gold, you see.
 
2012-10-08 06:39:55 PM

TappingTheVein: Magruda: I'm pretty sure WAY more Palestinian children have been blown up in the past decade.

This logic always astounds me. How dare Israel build fortified bomb shelters and sophisticated alarm systems in the towns and cities bombed by the palestinians! they should march the israelis to the street so they can die and even up the numbers. The palestinians do the opposite: march their children to be human shields for the courageous mujaheddin. This is propaganda gold, you see.


Too bad the IDF uses Palestinian children as human shields as well. I guess neither side thinks Palestinian children's lives are worth very much, do they?
 
2012-10-08 06:46:04 PM

Philip Francis Queeg: Too bad the IDF uses Palestinian children as human shields as well. I guess neither side thinks Palestinian children's lives are worth very much, do they?


If an israeli soldier does it there is an investigation and a trial and the israeli public like myself think he's a piece of shiat, the israeli court itself forbids it (nohal shachen). The palestinians do it as part of their training and warfare, it's their tactic. Do you understand the difference ?
 
2012-10-08 06:46:22 PM

Magruda: s2s2s2: Magruda: s2s2s2: Magruda: Wonderful justification.

Actually, it is. If my neighbor plans to take my house, and I end up winning his. That is 100% his problem.

That just makes you the bigger bully.

That's a pretty stupid thing to say. "Hey kids, if you end up getting the better of your aggressors, fnck you for being worse than them!"

So you are voting republican, this year?

A lot of conjecture there. Bonus, perceived aggression is not aggression.


Then they shouldn't have put on aggressor airs so hard.
 
2012-10-08 06:52:48 PM

Wicked Chinchilla: Joe Blowme: Mouser: Giltric: On May 14, 1948 the state of Israel was declared. And just one day after that, on May 15, 1948 the Arabs declared war on Israel to get back Palestine.

They arabs were always keen on rescuing the land from the jews....but never keen on rescuing the Palestinians.

Why should they? Palestinians are more Jewish Jordanian than Arab.

The dirty secret of the Middle East is that despite claims to the contrary, Palestinians are not Arab. They're Jewish converts to IslamJordanian. The story of the Jewish Diaspora in the 1st-2nd Centuries AD is only half-true; not all Jews were expelled. Some remained behind, and many had converted to Christianity by that time. When the armies of Islam marched in during the 7th Century AD, these quasi-Jewish/Christian Palestinians, wanting to get in good with their conquerors, started converting over to their religion.

Seriously, the whole Palestinian mess could be solved overnight if the Palestinians would convert back to the faith of their ancestors and re-adopt Judaism. The Israeli authorities could hardly discriminate against one of their own, now could they? go back to Jordan or leave islam

That's the other dirty secret of the Arab-Israeli Conflict. The Arab nations don't want the Palestinians.


Its not a secret, they are pretty clear
 
2012-10-08 07:02:24 PM

TappingTheVein: Philip Francis Queeg: Too bad the IDF uses Palestinian children as human shields as well. I guess neither side thinks Palestinian children's lives are worth very much, do they?

If an israeli soldier does it there is an investigation and a trial and the israeli public like myself think he's a piece of shiat, the israeli court itself forbids it (nohal shachen). The palestinians do it as part of their training and warfare, it's their tactic. Do you understand the difference ?


So why do you guys use white phosphorus?
 
2012-10-08 07:07:43 PM

Alonjar: HeartBurnKid: Joe Blowme: HeartBurnKid: Joe Blowme: FTA: "why didn't the Arab states spend their assets on education, health care and the infrastructures instead of wars?"

Death cults tend to have that effect on people, yea islam!!!

Yeah, we have the same problem with our local death cult in the States.

HHAHAHA yea, thats why we are a retarded 3rd world country living like its the 7th century.

Well, no, but we do spend a farkload more money on war than education, health care, or infrastructure. And it is the "conservative Christians" who are the impetus for that.

You have to keep in mind that America was founded by a bunch of try-hards. It took amazing drive for both the founders and immigrants to cross the Atlantic seeking a better life. America is a culture of working hard to benefit yourself (all jokes aside).

These cultures arent like that... they're living the same way they always have because.. well.. its what they've always done. Im not trying to insult middle eastern peoples or paint with a wide brush, but this IS a significant factor.


I wouldn't say they've always been like that. After all, they're the ones who kept learning alive when Europe was going through its dark age.

My personal opinion is that there's really no intrinsic difference between the Middle East and us. What you see in the ME today is the result of giving political power to religious fundamentalists for long periods of time. Meanwhile, I'm seeing the beginnings of that practice right here, right now. If the "religious right" were to hold power for a few decades or so, I doubt we'd be much different from them.
 
2012-10-08 07:18:20 PM

Girion47: So why do you guys use white phosphorus?


Not for the reasons the palestinians use white phosphorus.
 
2012-10-08 07:33:27 PM

TappingTheVein: Philip Francis Queeg: Too bad the IDF uses Palestinian children as human shields as well. I guess neither side thinks Palestinian children's lives are worth very much, do they?

If an israeli soldier does it there is an investigation and a trial and the israeli public like myself think he's a piece of shiat, the israeli court itself forbids it (nohal shachen). The palestinians do it as part of their training and warfare, it's their tactic. Do you understand the difference ?


A trial at which they get slapped firmly on the wrist and are returned to duty.

The court ruling, which demoted two staff sergeants to the rank of sergeant and gave them suspended three-month sentences, sends a dangerous signal that the Israeli military justice system will not seriously sanction soldiers convicted for offenses that are war crimes under international law, Human Rights Watch said.

The military court ruling took into consideration the sergeants' records of good military service and "the difficult conditions in which [they] had to operate." Israeli media reports said that both soldiers, whose identities have not been made public, had completed their mandatory military service but will still be able to serve as commanders when called for reserve duty


This for ordering a 9 year old boy to open packages they thought contained explosives at gunpoint.

Oh but I'm sure you frowned disapprovingly when you read that.
 
2012-10-08 07:35:54 PM

Mouser:
Why should they? Palestinians are more Jewish than Arab.
The dirty secret of the Middle East is that despite claims to the contrary, Palestinians are not Arab.


Don't the uhh... pigmentally-challenged Jews have a minority control of the country over the umm... more sunlight resistant Jews?
It's not apartheid levels, but it's not like the native people are the ones calling the shots.
 
2012-10-08 07:39:58 PM

Philip Francis Queeg: liam76: Philip Francis Queeg: liam76: Philip Francis Queeg: s2s2s2: Philip Francis Queeg: Uhh, no. Sorry, but Israel was the aggressor in 1967. "Preemptive war" is bullshiat whether it is 1941, 1967 or 2003.

Pre-emptive in this case actually meant "Attacking a force that is preparing to attack us, and is currently at our door, not hiding their intentions at all."

If you see a guy coming at you with clinched fists about to punch your face, and you get the first/best hit in, few are going to whine about your hitting first.

You understand that was the exact justification that the Japanese felt they had for the attack on Pearl Harbor don't you?

What they 'felt' would have been the exact same if Pearl harbor was on Japans border. But why I mix up facts with your Japanese propaganda.

Ahh look another moron who failed to notice that I condemned all three instances of "pre-emptive" war.

I didn't say if you condemned it or not (but I have come to expect that level of dishonesty from you). I was just pointing out you are a moron for putting those in the same league. Doesn't matter if you buy Japan's justification, when you put it on the same level as amassing troops along their border you are supporting Japanese propaganda.

Tell us, would the presence of Israeli troops on their border be a justification for another nation to launch a pre-emptive war on Israel?




It wasn't just the "presence" it was the unparalleled massing of troops by every surrounding nation.


Still having trouble seeing how it is absolutely nothing like what went on with Japan?
 
2012-10-08 07:48:46 PM

Philip Francis Queeg: TappingTheVein: Philip Francis Queeg: Too bad the IDF uses Palestinian children as human shields as well. I guess neither side thinks Palestinian children's lives are worth very much, do they?

If an israeli soldier does it there is an investigation and a trial and the israeli public like myself think he's a piece of shiat, the israeli court itself forbids it (nohal shachen). The palestinians do it as part of their training and warfare, it's their tactic. Do you understand the difference ?

A trial at which they get slapped firmly on the wrist and are returned to duty.

The court ruling, which demoted two staff sergeants to the rank of sergeant and gave them suspended three-month sentences, sends a dangerous signal that the Israeli military justice system will not seriously sanction soldiers convicted for offenses that are war crimes under international law, Human Rights Watch said.

The military court ruling took into consideration the sergeants' records of good military service and "the difficult conditions in which [they] had to operate." Israeli media reports said that both soldiers, whose identities have not been made public, had completed their mandatory military service but will still be able to serve as commanders when called for reserve duty


This for ordering a 9 year old boy to open packages they thought contained explosives at gunpoint.

Oh but I'm sure you frowned disapprovingly when you read that.


Palestinians encourage stuff like that, Israel punishes it (but not to your satisfaction) and somehow that makes Israel the bad guy in the equation.
 
2012-10-08 08:05:18 PM

liam76: Philip Francis Queeg: TappingTheVein: Philip Francis Queeg: Too bad the IDF uses Palestinian children as human shields as well. I guess neither side thinks Palestinian children's lives are worth very much, do they?

If an israeli soldier does it there is an investigation and a trial and the israeli public like myself think he's a piece of shiat, the israeli court itself forbids it (nohal shachen). The palestinians do it as part of their training and warfare, it's their tactic. Do you understand the difference ?

A trial at which they get slapped firmly on the wrist and are returned to duty.

The court ruling, which demoted two staff sergeants to the rank of sergeant and gave them suspended three-month sentences, sends a dangerous signal that the Israeli military justice system will not seriously sanction soldiers convicted for offenses that are war crimes under international law, Human Rights Watch said.

The military court ruling took into consideration the sergeants' records of good military service and "the difficult conditions in which [they] had to operate." Israeli media reports said that both soldiers, whose identities have not been made public, had completed their mandatory military service but will still be able to serve as commanders when called for reserve duty


This for ordering a 9 year old boy to open packages they thought contained explosives at gunpoint.

Oh but I'm sure you frowned disapprovingly when you read that.

Palestinians encourage stuff like that, Israel punishes it (but not to your satisfaction) and somehow that makes Israel the bad guy in the equation.


I condemn both sides acts. Do you? Do you condemn the actions and lack of punishment on this case?

I have yet to find an Israeli act which you have felt is worthy of the slightest criticism.
 
2012-10-08 08:09:37 PM

Girion47: TappingTheVein: Philip Francis Queeg: Too bad the IDF uses Palestinian children as human shields as well. I guess neither side thinks Palestinian children's lives are worth very much, do they?

If an israeli soldier does it there is an investigation and a trial and the israeli public like myself think he's a piece of shiat, the israeli court itself forbids it (nohal shachen). The palestinians do it as part of their training and warfare, it's their tactic. Do you understand the difference ?

So why do you guys use white phosphorus?


Burn!!
 
2012-10-08 08:13:09 PM

Philip Francis Queeg: I condemn both sides acts.


For all the times you cry about people seeing things in black and white you have a real hard time seeing any grey when it comes to Israel. We have a clear case of one side endorsing the use of human shields and the other actively trying to stop it, yet you pretend they are the same.



Philip Francis Queeg: Do you? Do you condemn the actions and lack of punishment on this case?

There was punishment, you may not agree with the level of punishment but don't lie about there not being one.

I don't agree with what they did, and I think their punishment should have been more severe.

Philip Francis Queeg: I have yet to find an Israeli act which you have felt is worthy of the slightest criticism


That is because you seem to rarely read what I actually write just pull BS positions out of your ass.
 
2012-10-08 08:13:24 PM

Philip Francis Queeg: liam76: Philip Francis Queeg: TappingTheVein: Philip Francis Queeg: Too bad the IDF uses Palestinian children as human shields as well. I guess neither side thinks Palestinian children's lives are worth very much, do they?

If an israeli soldier does it there is an investigation and a trial and the israeli public like myself think he's a piece of shiat, the israeli court itself forbids it (nohal shachen). The palestinians do it as part of their training and warfare, it's their tactic. Do you understand the difference ?

A trial at which they get slapped firmly on the wrist and are returned to duty.

The court ruling, which demoted two staff sergeants to the rank of sergeant and gave them suspended three-month sentences, sends a dangerous signal that the Israeli military justice system will not seriously sanction soldiers convicted for offenses that are war crimes under international law, Human Rights Watch said.

The military court ruling took into consideration the sergeants' records of good military service and "the difficult conditions in which [they] had to operate." Israeli media reports said that both soldiers, whose identities have not been made public, had completed their mandatory military service but will still be able to serve as commanders when called for reserve duty


This for ordering a 9 year old boy to open packages they thought contained explosives at gunpoint.

Oh but I'm sure you frowned disapprovingly when you read that.

Palestinians encourage stuff like that, Israel punishes it (but not to your satisfaction) and somehow that makes Israel the bad guy in the equation.

I condemn both sides acts. Do you? Do you condemn the actions and lack of punishment on this case?

I have yet to find an Israeli act which you have felt is worthy of the slightest criticism.


Your problem is that you are trying to reason with him. This is not something he responds too.
 
2012-10-08 08:17:11 PM

Magruda: Your problem is that you are trying to reason with him. This is not something he responds too


Tell me again how a state allowing something means people are forced to do it.
 
2012-10-08 08:21:20 PM

liam76: Philip Francis Queeg: I condemn both sides acts.

For all the times you cry about people seeing things in black and white you have a real hard time seeing any grey when it comes to Israel. We have a clear case of one side endorsing the use of human shields and the other actively trying to stop it, yet you pretend they are the same.



Philip Francis Queeg: Do you? Do you condemn the actions and lack of punishment on this case?

There was punishment, you may not agree with the level of punishment but don't lie about there not being one.

I don't agree with what they did, and I think their punishment should have been more severe.

Philip Francis Queeg: I have yet to find an Israeli act which you have felt is worthy of the slightest criticism

That is because you seem to rarely read what I actually write just pull BS positions out of your ass.


I sense your deep outrage at this heinous war crime.

I bet that you were incensed at the Israel prior to 2005 when using Palestinian human shields was perfectly legal policy rather than the wink and a nudge practice it is now.
 
2012-10-08 08:30:35 PM

Philip Francis Queeg: I sense your deep outrage at this heinous war crime.


I sense your indifference to much more egregious actions by Palestinians.



Philip Francis Queeg: I bet that you were incensed at the Israel prior to 2005 when using Palestinian human shields was perfectly legal policy rather than the wink and a nudge practice it is now


You are fine making shiat up about how I feel now, why not make up shiat from 7 years ago?
 
2012-10-08 08:32:26 PM

Philip Francis Queeg: I have yet to find an Israeli act which you have felt is worthy of the slightest criticism.


Oddly, I am hopeful you can point me to numerous Israeli acts that here at FARK you have agreed with and complimented.
 
2012-10-08 08:37:19 PM

RoyBatty: Philip Francis Queeg: I have yet to find an Israeli act which you have felt is worthy of the slightest criticism.

Oddly, I am hopeful you can point me to numerous Israeli acts that here at FARK you have agreed with and complimented.


Personally I agree with their peace activists. Much like in the USA they tend to be marginalized.
 
2012-10-08 08:39:57 PM

Magruda: RoyBatty: Philip Francis Queeg: I have yet to find an Israeli act which you have felt is worthy of the slightest criticism.

Oddly, I am hopeful you can point me to numerous Israeli acts that here at FARK you have agreed with and complimented.

Personally I agree with their peace activists. Much like in the USA they tend to be marginalized.


That's fantastic. Terrific even. Can you show me any times when you have agreed with their government and mentioned it here?
 
2012-10-08 08:42:57 PM

RoyBatty: Magruda: RoyBatty: Philip Francis Queeg: I have yet to find an Israeli act which you have felt is worthy of the slightest criticism.

Oddly, I am hopeful you can point me to numerous Israeli acts that here at FARK you have agreed with and complimented.

Personally I agree with their peace activists. Much like in the USA they tend to be marginalized.

That's fantastic. Terrific even. Can you show me any times when you have agreed with their government and mentioned it here?


Not really, but I can't do the same for the USA, so I guess it evens out.
 
2012-10-08 08:45:10 PM

RoyBatty: Magruda: RoyBatty: Philip Francis Queeg: I have yet to find an Israeli act which you have felt is worthy of the slightest criticism.

Oddly, I am hopeful you can point me to numerous Israeli acts that here at FARK you have agreed with and complimented.

Personally I agree with their peace activists. Much like in the USA they tend to be marginalized.

That's fantastic. Terrific even. Can you show me any times when you have agreed with their government and mentioned it here?


Oh wait, there was that one time they released that political prisoner who was on hunger strike before he died, that was nice of them.
 
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