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2012-10-08 10:22:58 AM

Magruda: Except the land grab that happend afterward.

Did you ever wonder how the United States was built from all that land occupied by native Americans?

/hint - it was mostly land grabs after hostilities

So they did it makes it ok?


Nope, but you don't get to criticize others for doing the exact same thing that made you powerful.
 
2012-10-08 10:23:13 AM

Tat'dGreaser: Well said, of course the people who need to read this are being oppressed enough that they'll never see it.


This sentence is well said? "And, isn't the Iraqis are the ones who are destroying their own country?"

C'mon.
 
2012-10-08 10:24:55 AM

s2s2s2: Magruda: Wonderful justification.

Actually, it is. If my neighbor plans to take my house, and I end up winning his. That is 100% his problem.


That just makes you the bigger bully.
 
2012-10-08 10:30:05 AM

madgonad: Magruda: Except the land grab that happend afterward.

Did you ever wonder how the United States was built from all that land occupied by native Americans?

/hint - it was mostly land grabs after hostilities

So they did it makes it ok?

Nope, but you don't get to criticize others for doing the exact same thing that made you powerful.


Wrong is wrong. Pointing fingers and saying "he did it too" is just childish.
 
2012-10-08 10:35:32 AM
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How dare the author make sense. Quick, kill some more people and we'll blame Americans and the Jews.
 
2012-10-08 10:38:32 AM

theteacher: This sentence is well said? "And, isn't the Iraqis are the ones who are destroying their own country?"

C'mon.


I have this crazy feeling that English isn't his first language, since it's on an Arab news site.....
 
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2012-10-08 10:39:51 AM
Was this article also published in Arabic?
 
2012-10-08 10:44:04 AM
I love how this guys pens a thoughtful and thought-provoking column that even translated into English gets people talking, and still the pedants on Fark have to waste their time picking apart the grammar flubs and translational errors.

theteacher: This sentence is well said? "And, isn't the Iraqis are the ones who are destroying their own country?"


Notice your poor use of grammar as well. Teacher: educate thyself.
 
2012-10-08 10:45:41 AM

LL316: But Saddam and Osama would still be alive. Money well spent.


Maybe, but who knows what an Arab Spring in Saddam's Iraq would have looked like. Arab Spring didn't work out so well for Gaddafi.
 
2012-10-08 10:48:49 AM

Smoking GNU: FTA: Finally, if many of the Arab states are in such disarray, then what happened to the Arabs' sworn enemy (Israel)? Israel now has the most advanced research facilities, top universities and advanced infrastructure. Many Arabs don't know that the life expectancy of the Palestinians living in Israel is far longer than many Arab states and they enjoy far better political and social freedom than many of their Arab brothers. Even the Palestinians living under Israeli occupation in the West Bank and Gaza Strip enjoy more political and social rights than some places in the Arab World. Wasn't one of the judges who sent a former Israeli president to jail is an Israeli-Palestinian?

I did not know that.

/Also, truth is a very bitter pill to swallow, especially if you've been living with the lie for more than half a century.


It's easier to control your populace when you can present a believable-enough bogeyman.
 
2012-10-08 10:50:10 AM

mauricecano: Alonjar: Why is it that Israel was given Jerusalem anyhow? Was it just a big middle finger from the catholic church in the power vacuum after WW2?

"Haha told you dirty arabs we'd take that shiat back one way or another!"

Had nothing to do with the catholic church and you might want to see a therapist if you see a catholic conspiracy everywhere.

But the reason Israel now has Jerusalem is because of the Palestinians and Arabs themselves. The initial Jewish boundary state of Israel was much smaller and Jerusalem was squarely in Palestine. However, the war of 1948 with the Arabs changed all that since the Israelis won and they decided to say "to the victors, spoils" and claimed virtually everything that is Israel today. Below is a good map showing the change in territory coverage from 1947-pre war to post-war and how Jerusalem became Israeli property.

[www.israpundit.com image 600x602]


What's with the word "Surrender" being written all over that map?
 
2012-10-08 10:50:29 AM

give me doughnuts: Rashnu: Much of the history of the world is writ through conquest and displacement. Damned Romans, how did they not realize that it's self-evidently wrong and acknowledge that it's only fair that the world stays in complete geopolitical stasis. I'm still worried about the Tibet. Did we free it yet? Fait accompli is obviously the best way to take land in the modern era. Demographic warfare is the new battlefront I suppose. If you can't outfight 'em, outbreed 'em (at some point in the nearish future we'll realize that expanding populations beyond replacement rates is an equally immoral form of resource theft).

Follow the "Featherston Doctrine" of excess population reduction.


Wait, did you just 'alternate timeline' Godwin me? Though there is actually a real Jake Featherston of the 19th century who, in respect to policy towards New Zealand's Maoris, advocated a policy of "wait" rather than conquest to obtain Maori lands. Temporizing and delaying he saw could only be a benefit in "dealing with a race that is continually decreasing on behalf of a race that is continually increasing. It is easier to grow into the undisturbed sovereignty of New Zealand than to conquer it." Something the Palestinians and La Raza crowd could keep in mind if they're feeling patient. Though I assume whitey ain't goin' out like that and will go all Republic of Gilead style.
 
2012-10-08 10:52:35 AM

Magruda: s2s2s2: Magruda: Wonderful justification.

Actually, it is. If my neighbor plans to take my house, and I end up winning his. That is 100% his problem.

That just makes you the bigger bully.


That's a pretty stupid thing to say. "Hey kids, if you end up getting the better of your aggressors, fnck you for being worse than them!"

So you are voting republican, this year?
 
2012-10-08 10:54:34 AM

s2s2s2: Magruda: s2s2s2: Magruda: Wonderful justification.

Actually, it is. If my neighbor plans to take my house, and I end up winning his. That is 100% his problem.

That just makes you the bigger bully.

That's a pretty stupid thing to say. "Hey kids, if you end up getting the better of your aggressors, fnck you for being worse than them!"

So you are voting republican, this year?


I will go on the record saying that the result of the Arab-Israeli War in 1948 is probably the single densest case of schadenfreude in recorded history.
 
2012-10-08 10:57:16 AM

s2s2s2: Magruda: s2s2s2: Magruda: Wonderful justification.

Actually, it is. If my neighbor plans to take my house, and I end up winning his. That is 100% his problem.

That just makes you the bigger bully.

That's a pretty stupid thing to say. "Hey kids, if you end up getting the better of your aggressors, fnck you for being worse than them!"

So you are voting republican, this year?


A lot of conjecture there. Bonus, perceived aggression is not aggression.
 
2012-10-08 10:58:03 AM

Giltric: On May 14, 1948 the state of Israel was declared. And just one day after that, on May 15, 1948 the Arabs declared war on Israel to get back Palestine.

They arabs were always keen on rescuing the land from the jews....but never keen on rescuing the Palestinians.


Why should they? Palestinians are more Jewish than Arab.

The dirty secret of the Middle East is that despite claims to the contrary, Palestinians are not Arab. They're Jewish converts to Islam. The story of the Jewish Diaspora in the 1st-2nd Centuries AD is only half-true; not all Jews were expelled. Some remained behind, and many had converted to Christianity by that time. When the armies of Islam marched in during the 7th Century AD, these quasi-Jewish/Christian Palestinians, wanting to get in good with their conquerors, started converting over to their religion.

Seriously, the whole Palestinian mess could be solved overnight if the Palestinians would convert back to the faith of their ancestors and re-adopt Judaism. The Israeli authorities could hardly discriminate against one of their own, now could they?
 
2012-10-08 11:01:07 AM

give me doughnuts: Philip Francis Queeg: We were rapidly building up forces in the Philippines, including long range bombers which could strike at Japaneses bases in Formosa, which had been under Japanese sovereignty since 1895.

This build-up never really got past the planning stages. Alternative plans were also drawn up for a complete abandonment of the Phillipines.


No, you don't understand: East Good, West, especially Jews, Bad. It's interesting to see the argument that the Japanese "pre-emptive strike" against Pearl Harbor was justified because they were entitled to protect the land they had stolen in 1895. Somebody bring up the Rape of Nanking; I want to hear PFQ justify that.
 
2012-10-08 11:02:49 AM
That article is, by far, the most anti-Zionist screed I have read in a long, long time.
 
2012-10-08 11:04:11 AM

clambam: give me doughnuts: Philip Francis Queeg: We were rapidly building up forces in the Philippines, including long range bombers which could strike at Japaneses bases in Formosa, which had been under Japanese sovereignty since 1895.

This build-up never really got past the planning stages. Alternative plans were also drawn up for a complete abandonment of the Phillipines.

No, you don't understand: East Good, West, especially Jews, Bad. It's interesting to see the argument that the Japanese "pre-emptive strike" against Pearl Harbor was justified because they were entitled to protect the land they had stolen in 1895. Somebody bring up the Rape of Nanking; I want to hear PFQ justify that.


You are truly a moron. I have repeatedly said that all three examples of "pre-emptive" war gave are utter bullshiat and completely unjustified.
 
2012-10-08 11:04:35 AM

Philip Francis Queeg: Uhh, no. Sorry, but Israel was the aggressor in 1967. "Preemptive war" is bullshiat whether it is 1941, 1967 or 2003.



What about 2012 / 2013?
 
2012-10-08 11:07:01 AM

clambam: give me doughnuts: Philip Francis Queeg: We were rapidly building up forces in the Philippines, including long range bombers which could strike at Japaneses bases in Formosa, which had been under Japanese sovereignty since 1895.

This build-up never really got past the planning stages. Alternative plans were also drawn up for a complete abandonment of the Phillipines.

No, you don't understand: East Good, West, especially Jews, Bad. It's interesting to see the argument that the Japanese "pre-emptive strike" against Pearl Harbor was justified because they were entitled to protect the land they had stolen in 1895. Somebody bring up the Rape of Nanking; I want to hear PFQ justify that.


you missed the point by a mile clambam. He is making a direct comparison between the claims of Japan in '41 to the claims of Israel in '67. He is not using them to justify anything, he is using it as an example of "This is unjust for the same reasons"
 
2012-10-08 11:12:43 AM
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no results.

meh.
 
2012-10-08 11:16:07 AM

Mouser: Giltric: On May 14, 1948 the state of Israel was declared. And just one day after that, on May 15, 1948 the Arabs declared war on Israel to get back Palestine.

They arabs were always keen on rescuing the land from the jews....but never keen on rescuing the Palestinians.

Why should they? Palestinians are more Jewish Jordanian than Arab.

The dirty secret of the Middle East is that despite claims to the contrary, Palestinians are not Arab. They're Jewish converts to IslamJordanian. The story of the Jewish Diaspora in the 1st-2nd Centuries AD is only half-true; not all Jews were expelled. Some remained behind, and many had converted to Christianity by that time. When the armies of Islam marched in during the 7th Century AD, these quasi-Jewish/Christian Palestinians, wanting to get in good with their conquerors, started converting over to their religion.

Seriously, the whole Palestinian mess could be solved overnight if the Palestinians would convert back to the faith of their ancestors and re-adopt Judaism. The Israeli authorities could hardly discriminate against one of their own, now could they? go back to Jordan or leave islam

 
2012-10-08 11:19:08 AM

Joe Blowme: Mouser: Giltric: On May 14, 1948 the state of Israel was declared. And just one day after that, on May 15, 1948 the Arabs declared war on Israel to get back Palestine.

They arabs were always keen on rescuing the land from the jews....but never keen on rescuing the Palestinians.

Why should they? Palestinians are more Jewish Jordanian than Arab.

The dirty secret of the Middle East is that despite claims to the contrary, Palestinians are not Arab. They're Jewish converts to IslamJordanian. The story of the Jewish Diaspora in the 1st-2nd Centuries AD is only half-true; not all Jews were expelled. Some remained behind, and many had converted to Christianity by that time. When the armies of Islam marched in during the 7th Century AD, these quasi-Jewish/Christian Palestinians, wanting to get in good with their conquerors, started converting over to their religion.

Seriously, the whole Palestinian mess could be solved overnight if the Palestinians would convert back to the faith of their ancestors and re-adopt Judaism. The Israeli authorities could hardly discriminate against one of their own, now could they? go back to Jordan or leave islam


That's the other dirty secret of the Arab-Israeli Conflict. The Arab nations don't want the Palestinians.
 
2012-10-08 11:20:33 AM

give me doughnuts: Joe Blowme: The Evil That Lies In The Hearts Of Men: Girion47: Think about the money we've spent on wars outside our borders, what could it have gone to?

For the cost of the Iraq and Afghanistan wars the US could have fitted every house in the country with either solar power or a geothermal heating/cooling system and had a few hundred billion dollars left over for hookers and blow.

Instead we gave 39+million people a chance at freedom and self determination Why do you hate brown people?

So you think the only way Iraq and Afghanistan could have freed themselves from tyrannical governments and directed the course of their countries' future was by begging white people for help?

You racist.


Thousands of years of history tells us they cannot free themselves from a tyrannical government. Of coarse it also tells us that they will immediately install another tyrannical government at their earliest opportunity.
 
2012-10-08 11:27:22 AM

Philip Francis Queeg: You are truly a moron. I have repeatedly said that all three examples of "pre-emptive" war gave are utter bullshiat and completely unjustified.


Reduced to ad homninem attack. You lose, I win.

Wicked Chinchilla: you missed the point by a mile clambam. He is making a direct comparison between the claims of Japan in '41 to the claims of Israel in '67. He is not using them to justify anything, he is using it as an example of "This is unjust for the same reasons"


Israel did not pre-emptively attack the Arabs in 1967 to grab territory. Israel pre-emptively attacked the Arabs to prevent the Arab attack that was blatantly in the works given the scope and location of their military build-up. As far as the '67 War being an excuse for territorial aggrandizement, um, does "the Sinai peninsula" ring a bell with you? You know, that enormous piece of territory, complete with actual oil deposits, that Israel willingly gave back to Egypt in return for a peace treaty? The West Bank and Gaza weren't conquered by Israel; they were abandoned by the Jordanians and Egyptians, who frankly were no more interested in dealing with the Palestinians than the Israelis are (the Jordanians are already 60% Palestinian, so the royal family probably gave a huge sigh of relief when they were able to shuck off a chunk of territory filled with extremist kooks).

Mouser: Giltric: On May 14, 1948 the state of Israel was declared. And just one day after that, on May 15, 1948 the Arabs declared war on Israel to get back Palestine.

They arabs were always keen on rescuing the land from the jews....but never keen on rescuing the Palestinians.

Why should they? Palestinians are more Jewish than Arab.

The dirty secret of the Middle East is that despite claims to the contrary, Palestinians are not Arab. They're Jewish converts to Islam. The story of the Jewish Diaspora in the 1st-2nd Centuries AD is only half-true; not all Jews were expelled. Some remained behind, and many had converted to Christianity by that time. When the armies of Islam marched in during the 7th Century AD, these quasi-Jewish/Christian Palestinians, wanting to get in good with their conquerors, started converting over to their religion.

Seriously, the whole Palestinian mess could be solved overnight if the Palestinians would convert back to the faith of their ancestors and re-adopt Judaism. The Israeli authorities could hardly discriminate against one of their own, now could they?


What the... I don't even...

Actually, while it is true that the Jews have maintained a small presence in Israel since the Diaspora and of course for 1800 years before that, the vast majority of the inhabitants of Palestine at the time of the Arab Conquest were Christians. Jews tend to cling to their religion no matter what, which is why there are still Jews... and why there aren't more of them. However, I totally agree with you. Were the Palestinians to convert en masse to Judaism the Israelis would have no choice but to accept them as citizens. You have to understand though, it's not a matter of "I want to be a Jew." There is a lot of study and reading involved, there's a test, and spelling counts. Generally it takes about two years to convert to Orthodox Judaism if you devote yourself to it full time. The Palestinians are of course welcome to undertake this onerous task, as is anyone else sincerely interested in converting. By comparison:

Two Jews are walking past a Catholic church with a sign outside: "Convert and Get a Thousand Dollars." One of the Jews says "I'm going to check it out." An hour later he comes back and his friend says "Well? Did you get the thousand dollars?" and the other one says "Is that all you people think about?"
 
2012-10-08 11:28:47 AM

Wicked Chinchilla: Joe Blowme: Mouser: Giltric: On May 14, 1948 the state of Israel was declared. And just one day after that, on May 15, 1948 the Arabs declared war on Israel to get back Palestine.

They arabs were always keen on rescuing the land from the jews....but never keen on rescuing the Palestinians.

Why should they? Palestinians are more Jewish Jordanian than Arab.

The dirty secret of the Middle East is that despite claims to the contrary, Palestinians are not Arab. They're Jewish converts to IslamJordanian. The story of the Jewish Diaspora in the 1st-2nd Centuries AD is only half-true; not all Jews were expelled. Some remained behind, and many had converted to Christianity by that time. When the armies of Islam marched in during the 7th Century AD, these quasi-Jewish/Christian Palestinians, wanting to get in good with their conquerors, started converting over to their religion.

Seriously, the whole Palestinian mess could be solved overnight if the Palestinians would convert back to the faith of their ancestors and re-adopt Judaism. The Israeli authorities could hardly discriminate against one of their own, now could they? go back to Jordan or leave islam

That's the other dirty secret of the Arab-Israeli Conflict. The Arab nations don't want the Palestinians.


Look at how the UN defines and treats refugees everywhere else (UNHCR), and then look at how they define and treat "Palestinian" refugees (UNRWA).
 
2012-10-08 11:29:54 AM

Muta: So attitudes never change. The US is still at war with Canada over the invasion in 1812.


It's the incident with the pig back in 1859 that's the real motive for the ongoing strife. The US got distracted by some internal problems shortly after, but after we get the repercussions from that settled out, we'll be taking up the issue with Canada once more.
 
2012-10-08 11:48:15 AM

Giltric: On May 14, 1948 the state of Israel was declared. And just one day after that, on May 15, 1948 the Arabs declared war on Israel to get back Palestine.

They arabs were always keen on rescuing the land from the jews....but never keen on rescuing the Palestinians.


"Palestinians" are their own people, abandoned by their home nations when those nations who went after Israel were crushed. They abandoned their own citizens and Israel had to establish refugee camps to try and handle this vast human disaster created by Arab adventures.

But then, most people know nothing of Yuri Andropov's sworn Cause. What he lived for every day.

From Pavel Stroilov's Behind Desert Storm to Yuri Andropv's Incandescent Hatred of Jews to the Mitrokhin Archives the real truth is Red Russia's bloody hands all over the Middle East with intrigues, assassinations, political corruption, propaganda piled upon propaganda saturating our American MSM and it's willing sycophants who tout the Party line. 

To defeat America Andropov like his predecessors and his antecedents in the new, sanitized version of Russian Evil chose a course of deploying the massive, intractable, easily stirred up and mostly illiterate Muslim mob to conduct a proxy war for Russia. Tie hatred of Jews to America as the Great Satan and let nature take it's course. Andropov had 4,000 agents in Egypt alone spewing propaganda and manipulating Muslim sentiments behind the lines.

Then there's Iran. And Syria, both client states. The tussle between the US and Russia over Turkey and Pakistan. Wherever you look the red hands of Russia are at work, or as Gorbachev said just this past week, the Arab Spring is the last act of our Cold War.

Or, we could just read Laura Logan's speech in Chicago Link October 07, 2012 

Meanwhile, me and my house say ...

i1.cpcache.com

It will always be Six Days, no matter what they try.
 
2012-10-08 11:49:47 AM

Joe Blowme: FTA: "why didn't the Arab states spend their assets on education, health care and the infrastructures instead of wars?"

Death cults tend to have that effect on people, yea islam!!!


Yeah, we have the same problem with our local death cult in the States.
 
2012-10-08 11:51:18 AM

clambam: Philip Francis Queeg: You are truly a moron. I have repeatedly said that all three examples of "pre-emptive" war gave are utter bullshiat and completely unjustified.

Reduced to ad homninem attack. You lose, I win.


In that case you lost when when you began by claiming I hate Jews.
 
2012-10-08 11:51:24 AM

The Stealth Hippopotamus: LL316: Hero tag out banging your mom? The author has some giant balls to write this.

The hero tag is tired of this subject and went home.


Dad? Is that you?
 
2012-10-08 11:57:02 AM

Philip Francis Queeg: clambam: Philip Francis Queeg: You are truly a moron. I have repeatedly said that all three examples of "pre-emptive" war gave are utter bullshiat and completely unjustified.

Reduced to ad homninem attack. You lose, I win.

In that case you lost when when you began by claiming I hate Jews.




Welcome to the "dark side", PFQ.

Bwwwaahahahahahaha! 


/there is no escape
 
2012-10-08 12:06:21 PM

Philip Francis Queeg: clambam: Philip Francis Queeg: You are truly a moron. I have repeatedly said that all three examples of "pre-emptive" war gave are utter bullshiat and completely unjustified.

Reduced to ad homninem attack. You lose, I win.

In that case you lost when when you began by claiming I hate Jews.


Noo, because you do hate Jews. You called me a moron, which is obviously untrue. I called you an anti-semite, which is apparent with every word that comes out of your mouth.
 
2012-10-08 12:08:31 PM

HeartBurnKid: Joe Blowme: FTA: "why didn't the Arab states spend their assets on education, health care and the infrastructures instead of wars?"

Death cults tend to have that effect on people, yea islam!!!

Yeah, we have the same problem with our local death cult in the States.


HHAHAHA yea, thats why we are a retarded 3rd world country living like its the 7th century.
 
2012-10-08 12:09:28 PM

abb3w: Muta: So attitudes never change. The US is still at war with Canada over the invasion in 1812.

It's the incident with the pig back in 1859 that's the real motive for the ongoing strife. The US got distracted by some internal problems shortly after, but after we get the repercussions from that settled out, we'll be taking up the issue with Canada once more.


Celine Dion was alive in 1859?
 
2012-10-08 12:20:53 PM

clambam: Noo, because you do hate Jews.


This is a nasty and unfounded attack.

I've seen this guy PFQ call out real anti-Semites, many times. He's one of the good guys and they deserve to be praised, not libeled.
 
2012-10-08 12:21:40 PM
san juan islands, something about a pig.
 
2012-10-08 12:31:45 PM

Joe Blowme: HeartBurnKid: Joe Blowme: FTA: "why didn't the Arab states spend their assets on education, health care and the infrastructures instead of wars?"

Death cults tend to have that effect on people, yea islam!!!

Yeah, we have the same problem with our local death cult in the States.

HHAHAHA yea, thats why we are a retarded 3rd world country living like its the 7th century.


Well, no, but we do spend a farkload more money on war than education, health care, or infrastructure. And it is the "conservative Christians" who are the impetus for that.
 
2012-10-08 12:34:13 PM

pdee: The Evil That Lies In The Hearts Of Men: Girion47: Think about the money we've spent on wars outside our borders, what could it have gone to?

For the cost of the Iraq and Afghanistan wars the US could have fitted every house in the country with either solar power or a geothermal heating/cooling system and had a few hundred billion dollars left over for hookers and blow.

Or it could have been spent on something useful.


But The Evil _did_ say "hookers and blow"...
 
2012-10-08 12:35:40 PM
Ok, lets see some real history. And not that white washed pile of crap that good little slaves of propaganda are taught by the Israel.

/Freedom shall be ours and our land shall be returned. 
//This message brought to you by the humanity fund.
 
2012-10-08 12:38:30 PM

Wooly Bully: clambam: Noo, because you do hate Jews.

This is a nasty and unfounded attack.

I've seen this guy PFQ call out real anti-Semites, many times. He's one of the good guys and they deserve to be praised, not libeled.


Thank you kind Sir or Madam.
 
2012-10-08 12:41:54 PM

Philip Francis Queeg: Wooly Bully: clambam: Noo, because you do hate Jews.

This is a nasty and unfounded attack.

I've seen this guy PFQ call out real anti-Semites, many times. He's one of the good guys and they deserve to be praised, not libeled.

Thank you kind Sir or Madam.



LOL!

He's probably talking about when you tell lies about me for brownie points, PFQ.

How's them apples?
 
2012-10-08 12:47:14 PM
As with almost every major issue:

"We have met the enemy, and he is us."

Good Guy Greg calls peace summit with Alright Arab Abulateef? I guess.
 
2012-10-08 12:55:36 PM

sheep snorter: Ok, lets see some real history. And not that white washed pile of crap that good little slaves of propaganda are taught by the Israel.

/Freedom shall be ours and our land shall be returned. 
//This message brought to you by the humanity fund.


Ah, the always authoritative Reddit thread.
 
2012-10-08 12:56:21 PM
Is there a widely-accepted standard of closure in territorial disputes? I mean, not many people are suggesting the Normans give England back to the Anglo-Saxons. And Panama probably won't stop being an independent country anytime soon. But in other cases, reparations are being paid, and "who rightfully owns what" is still under discussion.

Do the big brains provide any consistent guidance on this one?
 
2012-10-08 01:07:54 PM

Magruda: I had no idea the Palestinians were being treated so fairly by the Israelis, thank you sunny for helping me to see past the Arab lies.


Read up on the UN hdi.
 
2012-10-08 01:08:51 PM
Why would Iraqi brains leave Iraq in a country that makes 110 billion dollars from oil export?


wat?
 
2012-10-08 01:12:31 PM

Philip Francis Queeg: s2s2s2: Philip Francis Queeg: Uhh, no. Sorry, but Israel was the aggressor in 1967. "Preemptive war" is bullshiat whether it is 1941, 1967 or 2003.

Pre-emptive in this case actually meant "Attacking a force that is preparing to attack us, and is currently at our door, not hiding their intentions at all."

If you see a guy coming at you with clinched fists about to punch your face, and you get the first/best hit in, few are going to whine about your hitting first.

You understand that was the exact justification that the Japanese felt they had for the attack on Pearl Harbor don't you?


What they 'felt' would have been the exact same if Pearl harbor was on Japans border. But why I mix up facts with your Japanese propaganda.
 
2012-10-08 01:13:56 PM

314/: Is there a widely-accepted standard of closure in territorial disputes? I mean, not many people are suggesting the Normans give England back to the Anglo-Saxons. And Panama probably won't stop being an independent country anytime soon. But in other cases, reparations are being paid, and "who rightfully owns what" is still under discussion.

Do the big brains provide any consistent guidance on this one?


The traditional methods are:

1. Wipe out the entire population that was there before you.
2. Assimilate the conquered group through inter-marriage with their women.
3. Hundreds of years of warfare and strife.
 
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