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(ArabNews)   Arab countries: "So using the Palestinians as a distraction for our own problems wasn't a good idea after all"   (arabnews.com) divider line 240
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2012-10-08 04:50:32 AM
It would be great to see more introspective people in the Middle East raising questions like this man has.
 
2012-10-08 08:03:01 AM
+1

(darned no-voting phone app)
 
2012-10-08 08:29:24 AM

Therion: +1

(darned no-voting phone app)


I gotcha. Good article.
 
2012-10-08 08:43:59 AM
Well said, of course the people who need to read this are being oppressed enough that they'll never see it.
 
2012-10-08 08:44:54 AM

jenlen: It would be great to see more introspective people in the Middle East raising questions like this man has.


I'd say we need that everywhere, not just certain regions.
 
2012-10-08 08:48:19 AM
Sooner or later, the oil money is going to run out. Once that happens they won't be able to sell enough rugs. 90% of all exports from Saudi Arabia are petroleum products.

For starters, I can't think of one university in the Arab would that I would want to attend.
 
2012-10-08 08:48:22 AM
Arab spring good when over throwing Arab oppressors? Other oppressors ok? Why not give them their own state.
 
2012-10-08 08:49:35 AM
On May 14, 1948 the state of Israel was declared. And just one day after that, on May 15, 1948 the Arabs declared war on Israel to get back Palestine.

They arabs were always keen on rescuing the land from the jews....but never keen on rescuing the Palestinians.
 
2012-10-08 08:51:07 AM
ABDULATEEF AL-MULHIM this is an example of courage and honesty.

Now if we could only get Susan Rice and Hillary Clinton, to stop playing my princess pony with American lives and show the same integrity.
 
2012-10-08 08:52:05 AM

Giltric: On May 14, 1948 the state of Israel was declared. And just one day after that, on May 15, 1948 the Arabs declared war on Israel to get back Palestine.

They arabs were always keen on rescuing the land from the jews....but never keen on rescuing the Palestinians.


Why would one attempt to rescue the cannon fodder? As long as they can keep them oppressed and use them for photo ops, it's all good, no? Allah Akbar.
 
2012-10-08 08:52:14 AM
i.imgur.com
 
2012-10-08 08:56:24 AM

Giltric: They arabs were always keen on rescuing the land from the jews....


When was the last time an Arab country invaded Israel?
I don't think arab leaders are that keen on rescuing the land any more.
 
2012-10-08 08:56:31 AM
Hero tag out banging your mom? The author has some giant balls to write this.
 
2012-10-08 08:56:43 AM
*golf-clap*
 
2012-10-08 08:57:54 AM
wouldn't surprise me if this is written by the CIA
 
2012-10-08 08:58:15 AM
Think about the money we've spent on wars outside our borders, what could it have gone to?
 
2012-10-08 08:58:53 AM
This dude is toast. Or Pita.
 
2012-10-08 08:58:58 AM
I am sure no one in the arab world will over react to this... cooler heads will surely prevail...

/just kidding
//car bomb
 
2012-10-08 08:59:14 AM
FTA: Finally, if many of the Arab states are in such disarray, then what happened to the Arabs' sworn enemy (Israel)? Israel now has the most advanced research facilities, top universities and advanced infrastructure. Many Arabs don't know that the life expectancy of the Palestinians living in Israel is far longer than many Arab states and they enjoy far better political and social freedom than many of their Arab brothers. Even the Palestinians living under Israeli occupation in the West Bank and Gaza Strip enjoy more political and social rights than some places in the Arab World. Wasn't one of the judges who sent a former Israeli president to jail is an Israeli-Palestinian?

I did not know that.

/Also, truth is a very bitter pill to swallow, especially if you've been living with the lie for more than half a century.
 
2012-10-08 09:00:40 AM
Shouldn't there be an angry mob burning this guys house down about right now?
 
2012-10-08 09:01:38 AM

Muta: Giltric: They arabs were always keen on rescuing the land from the jews....

When was the last time an Arab country invaded Israel?
I don't think arab leaders are that keen on rescuing the land any more.


I forgot that invasions/war were like bankruptcies and after a certain number of years they are not on your record anymore.
 
2012-10-08 09:01:57 AM
Yeah they never helped their Arab brothers like building a sewage treatment plant that was destroyed by air force. Yeah that will teach them. Talk about collective punishment. I wonder if the Jews have ever experienced this?
 
2012-10-08 09:03:17 AM

LL316: Hero tag out banging your mom? The author has some giant balls to write this.


The hero tag is tired of this subject and went home.
 
2012-10-08 09:04:55 AM

Giltric: Muta: Giltric: They arabs were always keen on rescuing the land from the jews....

When was the last time an Arab country invaded Israel?
I don't think arab leaders are that keen on rescuing the land any more.

I forgot that invasions/war were like bankruptcies and after a certain number of years they are not on your record anymore.


The United States better hope that is true.
 
2012-10-08 09:06:34 AM
Yay. Sort of. I guess.

I have no farks left to give
 
2012-10-08 09:06:37 AM

Muta: Giltric: They arabs were always keen on rescuing the land from the jews....

When was the last time an Arab country invaded Israel?
I don't think arab leaders are that keen on rescuing the land any more.


Israel has served as a convenient distraction for the various leaders of the region and their mismanagement. It should be telling exactly how unstable the region is by the fact that Israel isn't enough anymore, and the various nations are collapsing on themselves.
 
2012-10-08 09:06:37 AM
Why is it that Israel was given Jerusalem anyhow? Was it just a big middle finger from the catholic church in the power vacuum after WW2?

"Haha told you dirty arabs we'd take that shiat back one way or another!"
 
2012-10-08 09:07:32 AM
It's the Israelis' fault the Arabs are self-destructive idiots. Somehow.
 
2012-10-08 09:12:01 AM
this article raises some good questions... then again, it raised some "huh?" questions:

In Syria, the atrocities are beyond anybody's imaginations? And, isn't the Iraqis are the ones who are destroying their own country?

Then again i hate reading an article that is composed 75% or more of rhetorical questions...

Dear Journalists,

Please stop asking rhetorical questions of your readers unless you plan on answering them with your own insight.

Then again, we will be discussing these questions on Fark, but I don't think Abdulateef Al-Mulhim had us in mind when he wrote his column.
 
2012-10-08 09:13:44 AM
FTA: "why didn't the Arab states spend their assets on education, health care and the infrastructures instead of wars?"

Death cults tend to have that effect on people, yea islam!!!
 
2012-10-08 09:14:01 AM
Excellent article, arab reporter actually acknowledging reality and also published by an arab news site ? in public ? This is extremely rare.
This guy has balls of steel. I hope he won't get hurt for speaking the truth.
 
2012-10-08 09:15:11 AM

TappingTheVein: Excellent article, arab reporter actually acknowledging reality and also published by an arab news site ? in public ? This is extremely rare.
This guy has balls of steel. I hope he won't get hurt for speaking the truth.


He won't feel a thing...
 
2012-10-08 09:15:11 AM

Joe Blowme: FTA: "why didn't the Arab states spend their assets on education, health care and the infrastructures instead of wars?"

Death cults tend to have that effect on people, yea islam!!!


yea USA!!!!!
 
2012-10-08 09:15:41 AM
Giltric: I forgot that invasions/war were like bankruptcies and after a certain number of years they are not on your record anymore.

So attitudes never change. The US is still at war with Canada over the invasion in 1812.
 
2012-10-08 09:15:56 AM

Alonjar: Why is it that Israel was given Jerusalem anyhow? Was it just a big middle finger from the catholic church in the power vacuum after WW2?

"Haha told you dirty arabs we'd take that shiat back one way or another!"


Had nothing to do with the catholic church and you might want to see a therapist if you see a catholic conspiracy everywhere.

But the reason Israel now has Jerusalem is because of the Palestinians and Arabs themselves. The initial Jewish boundary state of Israel was much smaller and Jerusalem was squarely in Palestine. However, the war of 1948 with the Arabs changed all that since the Israelis won and they decided to say "to the victors, spoils" and claimed virtually everything that is Israel today. Below is a good map showing the change in territory coverage from 1947-pre war to post-war and how Jerusalem became Israeli property.

www.israpundit.com
 
2012-10-08 09:18:29 AM

mauricecano: Alonjar: Why is it that Israel was given Jerusalem anyhow? Was it just a big middle finger from the catholic church in the power vacuum after WW2?

"Haha told you dirty arabs we'd take that shiat back one way or another!"

Had nothing to do with the catholic church and you might want to see a therapist if you see a catholic conspiracy everywhere.

But the reason Israel now has Jerusalem is because of the Palestinians and Arabs themselves. The initial Jewish boundary state of Israel was much smaller and Jerusalem was squarely in Palestine. However, the war of 1948 with the Arabs changed all that since the Israelis won and they decided to say "to the victors, spoils" and claimed virtually everything that is Israel today. Below is a good map showing the change in territory coverage from 1947-pre war to post-war and how Jerusalem became Israeli property.

[www.israpundit.com image 600x602]


So it's their own bloody fault.
 
2012-10-08 09:18:47 AM

Girion47: Joe Blowme: FTA: "why didn't the Arab states spend their assets on education, health care and the infrastructures instead of wars?"

Death cults tend to have that effect on people, yea islam!!!

yea USA!!!!!


Indeed



http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b283/Girion47/subiekayak.jpg
 
2012-10-08 09:23:44 AM
"So long as the Arabs fight tribe against tribe, so long will they be a little people, a silly people - greedy, barbarous, and cruel, as you are." - T.E. Lawrence
 
2012-10-08 09:23:45 AM

Girion47: Think about the money we've spent on wars outside our borders, what could it have gone to?


For the cost of the Iraq and Afghanistan wars the US could have fitted every house in the country with either solar power or a geothermal heating/cooling system and had a few hundred billion dollars left over for hookers and blow.
 
2012-10-08 09:24:48 AM

kungfu jesus with a side of lime: I am sure no one in the arab world will over react to this... cooler heads will surely prevail...

/just kidding
//car bomb


cps-static.rovicorp.com

/hot
//If we don't ask rhetorical questions, won't the terrorists have already won?
 
2012-10-08 09:25:02 AM

Giltric: On May 14, 1948 the state of Israel was declared. And just one day after that, on May 15, 1948 the Arabs declared war on Israel to get back Palestine.

They arabs were always keen on rescuing the land from the jews....but never keen on rescuing the Palestinians Jordanians.


FTFY
 
2012-10-08 09:25:09 AM
B...but...we have to keep those womens' heads covered and uneducated, so "vote" for the dictator.
 
2012-10-08 09:27:51 AM
I had no idea the Palestinians were being treated so fairly by the Israelis, thank you sunny for helping me to see past the Arab lies.
 
2012-10-08 09:28:11 AM

The Evil That Lies In The Hearts Of Men: Girion47: Think about the money we've spent on wars outside our borders, what could it have gone to?

For the cost of the Iraq and Afghanistan wars the US could have fitted every house in the country with either solar power or a geothermal heating/cooling system and had a few hundred billion dollars left over for hookers and blow.


Instead we gave 39+million people a chance at freedom and self determination Why do you hate brown people?
 
2012-10-08 09:28:52 AM

The Evil That Lies In The Hearts Of Men: Girion47: Think about the money we've spent on wars outside our borders, what could it have gone to?

For the cost of the Iraq and Afghanistan wars the US could have fitted every house in the country with either solar power or a geothermal heating/cooling system and had a few hundred billion dollars left over for hookers and blow.


The other major tragedy of war: Opportunity Cost
In reality if we didn't go to war that money would probably not have been spent. But, if we wound back the clock and were told we absolutely HAD to spend the money, major infrastructure improvements would have been the way to go.

/I always thought the criticism that solar is not a good power source because of the space requirements and transmission difficulty was a ridiculous argument when there are vast amounts of surface area on the roofs of millions of homes... Sure, it can't be your only power source, but who the hell was saying that?
 
2012-10-08 09:28:55 AM

The Evil That Lies In The Hearts Of Men: Girion47: Think about the money we've spent on wars outside our borders, what could it have gone to?

For the cost of the Iraq and Afghanistan wars the US could have fitted every house in the country with either solar power or a geothermal heating/cooling system and had a few hundred billion dollars left over for hookers and blow.


But Saddam and Osama would still be alive. Money well spent.
 
2012-10-08 09:29:38 AM

Magruda: I had no idea the Palestinians were being treated so fairly by the Israelis, thank you sunny for helping me to see past the Arab lies.


That's not what he said but don't let that fact distract you.
 
2012-10-08 09:30:41 AM
Yes, the Middle East has violent oppressive dictators. Yes, these dictators commit horrible human rights violations. Yes, the Holy Land was violently taken away from the Arabs (which, if the tables were turned, Christians and Jews would react with the same righteous indignation).
Lets not pretend though these dictators maintain power through their hatred of Israel. The countries with oppressive dictators also contain the world's most precious commodity.....oil. The rest of the world tolerates the actions of these dictators because oil drives the global economy, and the rest of the world refuses to move beyond fossil fuels. As long as we continue to purchase fossil fuels from countries with oppressive regimes, the oppressive regimes will continue to exist. Oil is power. Money is power. Yeah, we like to run around saying, "Look how horrible these leaders treat their people", but it's just lip service. These countries turn off the spigot and life as we know it is much harder. We all have our cross to bear regarding Middle Eastern dictators.
 
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2012-10-08 09:30:48 AM

Muta: Giltric: They arabs were always keen on rescuing the land from the jews....

When was the last time an Arab country invaded Israel?
I don't think arab leaders are that keen on rescuing the land any more.


Europeans held the land between the Jordan river and the Med for more than 200 years before the Arabs drove them into the sea. Israel has 140 years to go before even matching that record.
 
2012-10-08 09:31:29 AM

Joe Blowme: Girion47: Joe Blowme: FTA: "why didn't the Arab states spend their assets on education, health care and the infrastructures instead of wars?"

Death cults tend to have that effect on people, yea islam!!!

yea USA!!!!!

Indeed



http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b283/Girion47/subiekayak.jpg


I fail to see what a pic of my car and kayak have to do with the U.S. wasting trillions of dollars killing people on the opposite side of the globe, developing fighter jets that will never be used, maintaining tanks that will rust, and keeping ww2 era boats in combat condition when a speedboat with C4 will take them out, or strip searching people at airports.
 
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