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2012-10-08 03:55:56 AM
Clips to be sold at auction during a late night infomercial.
 
2012-10-08 04:06:24 AM
This is actually cool because Johnny's first few years of taps were erased and lost. His first show had Groucho Marx as a guest.
 
2012-10-08 04:49:32 AM
Storage Total War
 
2012-10-08 05:01:03 AM
They've been kept in a #2 mayonnaise jar on Funk and Wagnall's porch since noon today.
 
2012-10-08 06:55:44 AM
Sotzing said the film will be stored along with the other Carson archives at a former salt mine in Hutchinson, Kan., according to the report.

Whoever finds this in 2000 years is sure going to be befuddled.

Also, would it kill them to put it on YouTube first?
 
2012-10-08 07:57:46 AM
 
2012-10-08 08:01:42 AM
New clips would be better. Well if he were still alive.
 
2012-10-08 08:05:56 AM
sorry to get all 'get off my lawn/onion belt' but how about someone make TV production company owners and heads of cable & TV broadcasting in america sit the fark down and watch these reels? there was a time when late nite talk shows were incredibly high entertainment television. old farts like me who remember The Dick Cavett Show and Merv Griffin and Johnny know TV can be damn good. yup kids, there was a time when TV actually had shows that were intellectually stimulating and talk shows had guests that were insightful and literate. damn Morton Downey Jr. right to hell for bringing the shock trash gutter format about in the 1980's that made Jerry Springer a household name and litters modern day TV with the endless selection of mindless white trash reality shows we now have. i farking shudder to think what the bulk of the world thinks of the usa when they see our TV shows. pathetic.
 
2012-10-08 08:20:10 AM

Darth_Lukecash: This is actually cool because Johnny's first few years of taps were erased and lost. His first show had Groucho Marx as a guest.


IIRC, the preservation of everything from 1972 onward never would have happened if Carson hadn't wanted to do a 10th anniversary retrospective, only to find out that pretty much his entire first 10 years had been wiped by NBC.

A lot of stuff got wiped in that era to control costs for the networks. Everything from game shows to Super Bowls to Doctor Who to the first Moon Landing.
 
2012-10-08 08:34:37 AM

KrispyKritter: sorry to get all 'get off my lawn/onion belt' but how about someone make TV production company owners and heads of cable & TV broadcasting in america sit the fark down and watch these reels? there was a time when late nite talk shows were incredibly high entertainment television. old farts like me who remember The Dick Cavett Show and Merv Griffin and Johnny know TV can be damn good. yup kids, there was a time when TV actually had shows that were intellectually stimulating and talk shows had guests that were insightful and literate. damn Morton Downey Jr. right to hell for bringing the shock trash gutter format about in the 1980's that made Jerry Springer a household name and litters modern day TV with the endless selection of mindless white trash reality shows we now have. i farking shudder to think what the bulk of the world thinks of the usa when they see our TV shows. pathetic.


This.
 
2012-10-08 09:54:12 AM

KrispyKritter: sorry to get all 'get off my lawn/onion belt' but how about someone make TV production company owners and heads of cable & TV broadcasting in america sit the fark down and watch these reels? there was a time when late nite talk shows were incredibly high entertainment television. old farts like me who remember The Dick Cavett Show and Merv Griffin and Johnny know TV can be damn good. yup kids, there was a time when TV actually had shows that were intellectually stimulating and talk shows had guests that were insightful and literate. damn Morton Downey Jr. right to hell for bringing the shock trash gutter format about in the 1980's that made Jerry Springer a household name and litters modern day TV with the endless selection of mindless white trash reality shows we now have. i farking shudder to think what the bulk of the world thinks of the usa when they see our TV shows. pathetic.


I had a conversation with some 21-year olds a few days ago about pop culture across generations. The kids in school these days are wearing 80s clothes and listening to (essentially) 80s and 90s music stuck to dubstep. You turn on the radio and you may hear a 90s tune and nobody would be able to tell it's 20 years old. This isn't the usual "kids these days" story, it's all different. Play some Creedence to some kids in the 90s and watch them laugh at the caveman music. Play some Rage Against The Machine or Blackstreet now and watch the kids bob their head. Something has changed in pop culture.

/Starbucks has kicked in
 
2012-10-08 09:57:08 AM

theurge14: KrispyKritter: sorry to get all 'get off my lawn/onion belt' but how about someone make TV production company owners and heads of cable & TV broadcasting in america sit the fark down and watch these reels? there was a time when late nite talk shows were incredibly high entertainment television. old farts like me who remember The Dick Cavett Show and Merv Griffin and Johnny know TV can be damn good. yup kids, there was a time when TV actually had shows that were intellectually stimulating and talk shows had guests that were insightful and literate. damn Morton Downey Jr. right to hell for bringing the shock trash gutter format about in the 1980's that made Jerry Springer a household name and litters modern day TV with the endless selection of mindless white trash reality shows we now have. i farking shudder to think what the bulk of the world thinks of the usa when they see our TV shows. pathetic.

I had a conversation with some 21-year olds a few days ago about pop culture across generations. The kids in school these days are wearing 80s clothes and listening to (essentially) 80s and 90s music stuck to dubstep. You turn on the radio and you may hear a 90s tune and nobody would be able to tell it's 20 years old. This isn't the usual "kids these days" story, it's all different. Play some Creedence to some kids in the 90s and watch them laugh at the caveman music. Play some Rage Against The Machine or Blackstreet now and watch the kids bob their head. Something has changed in pop culture.

/Starbucks has kicked in


You'll get over it.

OK, just kidding. But seriously, I'm not defending the aesthetic choices of the "kids these days", but time inevitably marches on, things change, nothing lasts forever, blah blah blah. You might as well yell at a cloud.
 
2012-10-08 10:10:35 AM
Uh, that's kinda my point. Things didn't change. But I will go yell at a cloud now.
 
2012-10-08 10:21:52 AM

theurge14: KrispyKritter: sorry to get all 'get off my lawn/onion belt' but how about someone make TV production company owners and heads of cable & TV broadcasting in america sit the fark down and watch these reels? there was a time when late nite talk shows were incredibly high entertainment television. old farts like me who remember The Dick Cavett Show and Merv Griffin and Johnny know TV can be damn good. yup kids, there was a time when TV actually had shows that were intellectually stimulating and talk shows had guests that were insightful and literate. damn Morton Downey Jr. right to hell for bringing the shock trash gutter format about in the 1980's that made Jerry Springer a household name and litters modern day TV with the endless selection of mindless white trash reality shows we now have. i farking shudder to think what the bulk of the world thinks of the usa when they see our TV shows. pathetic.

I had a conversation with some 21-year olds a few days ago about pop culture across generations. The kids in school these days are wearing 80s clothes and listening to (essentially) 80s and 90s music stuck to dubstep. You turn on the radio and you may hear a 90s tune and nobody would be able to tell it's 20 years old. This isn't the usual "kids these days" story, it's all different. Play some Creedence to some kids in the 90s and watch them laugh at the caveman music. Play some Rage Against The Machine or Blackstreet now and watch the kids bob their head. Something has changed in pop culture.

/Starbucks has kicked in


In popular music (at least within the last 100 years), there has always been a new style to emerge every 8-10 years... In the 30's it was Big Band jazz, Bop came along in the 40's, Rock And Roll hit in the 50's, Pop in the early 60's, Hard Rock in the late 60's, Punk and Disco in the middle of the 70's, New Wave and Rap in the 80's, Grunge in the early 90's. It has always re-invented itself but for some reason. there has been nothing new in the last 20 years; Nirvana/Grunge/Mainstream Punk was the last time it flipped over.
 
2012-10-08 10:31:37 AM

theurge14: KrispyKritter: sorry to get all 'get off my lawn/onion belt' but how about someone make TV production company owners and heads of cable & TV broadcasting in america sit the fark down and watch these reels? there was a time when late nite talk shows were incredibly high entertainment television. old farts like me who remember The Dick Cavett Show and Merv Griffin and Johnny know TV can be damn good. yup kids, there was a time when TV actually had shows that were intellectually stimulating and talk shows had guests that were insightful and literate. damn Morton Downey Jr. right to hell for bringing the shock trash gutter format about in the 1980's that made Jerry Springer a household name and litters modern day TV with the endless selection of mindless white trash reality shows we now have. i farking shudder to think what the bulk of the world thinks of the usa when they see our TV shows. pathetic.

I had a conversation with some 21-year olds a few days ago about pop culture across generations. The kids in school these days are wearing 80s clothes and listening to (essentially) 80s and 90s music stuck to dubstep. You turn on the radio and you may hear a 90s tune and nobody would be able to tell it's 20 years old. This isn't the usual "kids these days" story, it's all different. Play some Creedence to some kids in the 90s and watch them laugh at the caveman music. Play some Rage Against The Machine or Blackstreet now and watch the kids bob their head. Something has changed in pop culture.

/Starbucks has kicked in


i don't know if i can blame coffee joints but yes, things have changed. and that's okay but in a country like america we should be moving forward, progressing. instead it seems like we are dumbing down on a national level. it's scary as hell. i talk to school teachers and they see a trend. with all the wonderful technology, access to knowledge and schooling we have there still seems to be a chunk of the young population that is heading high speed to Idiocracy. ack!

as for music - sadly many schools no longer have music electives, or there is only band for the sake of the football team half time. on top of that a generation of youngsters that were given console game toy substitutes of real musical instruments and the damage takes its toll. in our day we had Eddy VanHalen inspiring millions of kids to buy their first electric guitar. i hope we see his kind again, and soon.
 
2012-10-08 11:08:42 AM
I heard they'll be auctioning off the clips at some facility near the Slausson cut off. I just wish I knew how to get there
 
2012-10-08 11:12:02 AM
CSB:

Years ago I needed to take a defensive driving class to take care of a ticket. Signed up for one of those "comedy" defensive driving classes.... the comedy part was showing "best of" collections of old Tonight Shows hosted by Carson during our breaks. Which, while they were funny, seemed like a cheap way out.

/The class was at a restaurant, and we were allowed to order beers during the class. That probably should have been the selling point of the ad.
 
2012-10-08 11:32:53 AM

knoxvelour: I heard they'll be auctioning off the clips at some facility near the Slausson cut off. I just wish I knew how to get there


Take the fork in the road.
 
2012-10-08 11:36:20 AM
Any of those old clips would be better than watching Late Night with David Maher.
 
2012-10-08 12:10:04 PM

flushdepot: Any of those old clips would be better than watching Late Night with David Maher.


Don't even compare them. I'm as liberal as it gets but when Maher outed himself as anti-vaccination or (at least anti-vac-curious) I realized he should get himself connected to reality before he criticizes anyone else.

Besides, when a conservative is offended by a liberal TV personality that is a problem with the receiver, not the source.
 
2012-10-08 12:12:28 PM

KrispyKritter: sorry to get all 'get off my lawn/onion belt' but how about someone make TV production company owners and heads of cable & TV broadcasting in america sit the fark down and watch these reels? there was a time when late nite talk shows were incredibly high entertainment television. old farts like me who remember The Dick Cavett Show and Merv Griffin and Johnny know TV can be damn good. yup kids, there was a time when TV actually had shows that were intellectually stimulating and talk shows had guests that were insightful and literate. damn Morton Downey Jr. right to hell for bringing the shock trash gutter format about in the 1980's that made Jerry Springer a household name and litters modern day TV with the endless selection of mindless white trash reality shows we now have. i farking shudder to think what the bulk of the world thinks of the usa when they see our TV shows. pathetic.


You also have to remember the quality of the guests. They weren't political Nazi talking heads who, when asked a question, recited their memorized (or in some cases palmed) talking points, regardless whether their response actually answered the host's question.
 
2012-10-08 12:38:31 PM
 
2012-10-08 01:09:19 PM
Can't wait for these to come out on VHS.
 
2012-10-08 02:37:45 PM

KrispyKritter: sorry to get all 'get off my lawn/onion belt' but how about someone make TV production company owners and heads of cable & TV broadcasting in america sit the fark down and watch these reels? there was a time when late nite talk shows were incredibly high entertainment television. old farts like me who remember The Dick Cavett Show and Merv Griffin and Johnny know TV can be damn good. yup kids, there was a time when TV actually had shows that were intellectually stimulating and talk shows had guests that were insightful and literate. damn Morton Downey Jr. right to hell for bringing the shock trash gutter format about in the 1980's that made Jerry Springer a household name and litters modern day TV with the endless selection of mindless white trash reality shows we now have. i farking shudder to think what the bulk of the world thinks of the usa when they see our TV shows. pathetic.


Yep.
 
2012-10-08 03:04:29 PM
We will never have a show like Johnny's or Dick Cavett's again. The relentless push to make culture as crass as possible which began in the late 60's has accelerated to the point where we now trade in sound bites and the illiterate red-neck culture is exalted as king. People like to point to the 80's as when this started but it is actually far older. There had always been attempts to put the boobs in control of culture but once upon a time they were laughed at. The Three Stooges were once marginal comedians of low class B movie shorts. Now Curly is the heights of sophistication.
Yes there were always sitcoms that celebrated back woods "culture" like The Beverly Hillbillies and Hee Haw but those shows were far more sophisticated and took far longer to put together than some stupid "reality" show like Jersey Shore or Honey Boo Boo.

You can NOT argue that our culture hasn't changed in a lot of profound ways over the last fifty years.
 
2012-10-08 03:35:55 PM
Sotzing said the film will be stored along with the other Carson archives at a former salt mine in Hutchinson, Kan., according to the report.

WTF?
 
2012-10-08 03:44:43 PM

boyvoyeur: Sotzing said the film will be stored along with the other Carson archives at a former salt mine in Hutchinson, Kan., according to the report.

WTF?


Link

Former Salt Mines are apparently very good for preservation and storage.
 
2012-10-08 03:51:35 PM
This is awesome. Those of us old enough to remember a time before cable tv and home video lived for the Tonight Show with Johnny Carson. The first time I ever saw George Carlin/Robin Williams/Andy Kaufman/Steve Martin and scores of other comedians perform. No one has even come close to combining the entertainment/intelligence/comedy Johnny brought to the talk show format. Truly a legend
 
2012-10-08 04:29:19 PM

KrispyKritter: sorry to get all 'get off my lawn/onion belt' ...there was a time when late nite talk shows were incredibly high entertainment television. old farts like me who remember The Dick Cavett Show and Merv Griffin and Johnny know TV can be damn good. yup kids, there was a time when TV actually had shows that were intellectually stimulating and talk shows had guests that were insightful and literate.


2.bp.blogspot.com

/fire up a simultini
//awesome interviewer
 
2012-10-08 04:49:00 PM
i291.photobucket.com
 
2012-10-08 04:51:58 PM

peewinkle: theurge14: KrispyKritter: sorry to get all 'get off my lawn/onion belt' but how about someone make TV production company owners and heads of cable & TV broadcasting in america sit the fark down and watch these reels? there was a time when late nite talk shows were incredibly high entertainment television. old farts like me who remember The Dick Cavett Show and Merv Griffin and Johnny know TV can be damn good. yup kids, there was a time when TV actually had shows that were intellectually stimulating and talk shows had guests that were insightful and literate. damn Morton Downey Jr. right to hell for bringing the shock trash gutter format about in the 1980's that made Jerry Springer a household name and litters modern day TV with the endless selection of mindless white trash reality shows we now have. i farking shudder to think what the bulk of the world thinks of the usa when they see our TV shows. pathetic.

I had a conversation with some 21-year olds a few days ago about pop culture across generations. The kids in school these days are wearing 80s clothes and listening to (essentially) 80s and 90s music stuck to dubstep. You turn on the radio and you may hear a 90s tune and nobody would be able to tell it's 20 years old. This isn't the usual "kids these days" story, it's all different. Play some Creedence to some kids in the 90s and watch them laugh at the caveman music. Play some Rage Against The Machine or Blackstreet now and watch the kids bob their head. Something has changed in pop culture.

/Starbucks has kicked in

In popular music (at least within the last 100 years), there has always been a new style to emerge every 8-10 years... In the 30's it was Big Band jazz, Bop came along in the 40's, Rock And Roll hit in the 50's, Pop in the early 60's, Hard Rock in the late 60's, Punk and Disco in the middle of the 70's, New Wave and Rap in the 80's, Grunge in the early 90's. It has always re-invented itself but for some reason. there has been nothing new in ...


Convincing argument. Although during the entire Sixties, there were the Beatles, and then there was everyone else I'm not saying they were space aliens from an advanced, ancient civilization, but look at the evidence.

/baits hook, sets float on line and casts into Fark pond; watches for a bite

//musician - a pretty ancient one, at that
 
2012-10-08 08:06:08 PM

theurge14: KrispyKritter: sorry to get all 'get off my lawn/onion belt' but how about someone make TV production company owners and heads of cable & TV broadcasting in america sit the fark down and watch these reels? there was a time when late nite talk shows were incredibly high entertainment television. old farts like me who remember The Dick Cavett Show and Merv Griffin and Johnny know TV can be damn good. yup kids, there was a time when TV actually had shows that were intellectually stimulating and talk shows had guests that were insightful and literate. damn Morton Downey Jr. right to hell for bringing the shock trash gutter format about in the 1980's that made Jerry Springer a household name and litters modern day TV with the endless selection of mindless white trash reality shows we now have. i farking shudder to think what the bulk of the world thinks of the usa when they see our TV shows. pathetic.

I had a conversation with some 21-year olds a few days ago about pop culture across generations. The kids in school these days are wearing 80s clothes and listening to (essentially) 80s and 90s music stuck to dubstep. You turn on the radio and you may hear a 90s tune and nobody would be able to tell it's 20 years old. This isn't the usual "kids these days" story, it's all different. Play some Creedence to some kids in the 90s and watch them laugh at the caveman music. Play some Rage Against The Machine or Blackstreet now and watch the kids bob their head. Something has changed in pop culture.

/Starbucks has kicked in


Actually, there is a good hypothesis about this phenomena, and will continue. Audio and video recording are increasing preserving "now" so it does not age. If you were a kid in the the 1980's, oldies from the 50's and 60's sounded old. Television and movies looked old.

This is changing. I think music production started to be perfected in the late 1970's. I think "Boston" was the real turning point in capturing audio performance and production.

Jurassic Park and T2 might be the turning point for movies.

For television, it is really anything recorded in HDTV. Want to watch Brett Favre's last playoff win against Dallas? You can watch it in HDTV, and it will look exactly like the day it was broadcast...forever.

My point is that we are getting to the point where we can experience yesterday as now in terms of media quality and retention, and this will only get better. It is no wonder kids are experiencing yesterday as now.
 
2012-10-09 02:12:48 AM

Darth_Lukecash: This is actually cool because Johnny's first few years of taps were erased and lost. His first show had Groucho Marx as a guest.


I wrote the TS a few years before Carson left. I requested a copy of a 1968 appearance by Lennon and MaCartney, who were probably promoting the white album, and received a letter back stating that they had a fire at some point, and lost that, and many more episodes as a result. /would have liked to seen that interview/ //Wish I would have kept the TS with J.Carson letterhead//
 
2012-10-09 10:14:52 AM

hasty ambush: One of the best Johnny Carson shows did not even have Johnny Carson on it


And nobody under the age of 40 will have any idea who any of those men are, or why the audience is cheering so loudly for them.
 
2012-10-09 02:09:53 PM

KrispyKritter: sorry to get all 'get off my lawn/onion belt' but how about someone make TV production company owners and heads of cable & TV broadcasting in america sit the fark down and watch these reels? there was a time when late nite talk shows were incredibly high entertainment television. old farts like me who remember The Dick Cavett Show and Merv Griffin and Johnny know TV can be damn good. yup kids, there was a time when TV actually had shows that were intellectually stimulating and talk shows had guests that were insightful and literate. damn Morton Downey Jr. right to hell for bringing the shock trash gutter format about in the 1980's that made Jerry Springer a household name and litters modern day TV with the endless selection of mindless white trash reality shows we now have. i farking shudder to think what the bulk of the world thinks of the usa when they see our TV shows. pathetic.


I would argue that TV is as good as it has ever been. I mean sure the worst stuff on TV right now is really really bad, but the best stuff is really good, so I think it averages out (yes there were no shows in the 70's as bad as Honey Boo Boo, but were there any shows as good as Breaking Bad?).

As far as talk shows go, yes Carson was good, but I think a lot of people when they remember shows seem to have selective memories and only remember the awesome stuff. I am too young to remember Carson's tonight show, but I do know he is funny. But I ask you was he funny every single night, or do you only remember the classic really funny stuff? I can easily see it being like how people say that SNL was only funny back when they were 21 and their favourite cast member was in it and they were up to speed on pop culture. Forgetting that back then, like now there was a ton of crap being produced.
 
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