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(Wired)   Hey, want to see the recently declassified schematics for a 'UFO' the US government tried to build in the '50? Complete with Holodeck? Full disclosure, there's actually no Holodeck   (wired.com) divider line 50
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2012-10-07 11:06:03 PM
Wait, what? Seriously, WTF? Why didn't they disclose this eons ago in the face of the Disclosure Project, millions of sightings, international concerns....

Releasing it now, randomly....seriously...WTF?
 
2012-10-07 11:14:40 PM

logistic: Wait, what? Seriously, WTF? Why didn't they disclose this eons ago in the face of the Disclosure Project, millions of sightings, international concerns....

Releasing it now, randomly....seriously...WTF?


I'm pretty sure this project has been known about for quite some time. I think maybe just these particular schematics were recently released.
 
2012-10-07 11:21:52 PM
Pretty cool. Too bad they couldn't figure out how to make them work.
 
2012-10-07 11:26:20 PM
They finally got it right in the 70s.

gerrysvinyl.com
 
2012-10-08 12:37:12 AM
Avro again?

*checks TFA*

Yep, Avro.
 
2012-10-08 12:53:02 AM
userserve-ak.last.fm

/Das UFO!
 
2012-10-08 01:03:03 AM
"The '50"? Looks like aliens abducted the letter "s".
 
2012-10-08 01:25:41 AM
No holodeck? Bah, those are obsolete anyways. We need a 3D printerdeck.
 
2012-10-08 01:30:09 AM
I wonder how hard it would be to find someone who can make this into a reasonable facsimile of a real mission doc type blueprint... It'd be cool to have up on the wall next to my other oh-dear-god-how-did-I-end-up-being-such-a-geek? stuff in the office.
 
2012-10-08 01:57:21 AM
Something like this probably accounts for nearly all of the UFO sightings from around that time and probably even today. Then you have to wonder how they got the idea to begin with.
 
2012-10-08 02:43:52 AM
Or perhaps development was never really stopped but just hidden in some budget like Area 51. Just thinking out loud... Who knows what actually goes on there or just how close they might be to having a working craft.

After all, while "Person of Interest" is a fictional TV show, project Trapwire, which is very similar is real and operational. According to what I have read, any camera with an IP address anywhere can be monitored by this project which has ties to the CIA. If you are curious just 'Google' "Project Trapwire" for yourself. If you have read this message to this point I think you will find the results quiet interesting.
 
2012-10-08 02:44:14 AM

ParagonComplex: Something like this probably accounts for nearly all of the UFO sightings from around that time and probably even today. Then you have to wonder how they got the idea to begin with.


Because round might be a good aerodynamic choice? Sure, in the front it might cause some resistance as opposed to more sharper-nosed aircraft, but it being round and not having various straight out sticky bits like WINGS, it has no weird corners and similar that can cause airflow eddies which themselves cut down speed dramatically. You know how a lot of passenger airlines have those small vertical fins on the end of the big wings? To cut down on an aerodynamic eddy that was caused by the wingtip that had a big drag effect on the airliner, significantly increasing fuel consumption.

But that's just a guess, since i'm not actually learned on the subject and just guessing on a few details that i do know.
 
2012-10-08 02:48:49 AM

timujin: I wonder how hard it would be to find someone who can make this into a reasonable facsimile of a real mission doc type blueprint... It'd be cool to have up on the wall next to my other oh-dear-god-how-did-I-end-up-being-such-a-geek? stuff in the office.


It starts with a small action figure of your favorite mech....
 
2012-10-08 02:49:23 AM

Smoking GNU: t it being round and not having various straight out sticky bits like WINGS


Who needs LIFT when we have IMAGINATION!? Stupid WINGS!
 
2012-10-08 02:54:23 AM

Quantum Apostrophe: Smoking GNU: t it being round and not having various straight out sticky bits like WINGS

Who needs LIFT when we have IMAGINATION!? Stupid WINGS!


the whole thing about round also includes that the entire BODY provides lift when in flight so you don't actually need wings for that.
 
2012-10-08 02:55:18 AM

Smoking GNU: Quantum Apostrophe: Smoking GNU: t it being round and not having various straight out sticky bits like WINGS

Who needs LIFT when we have IMAGINATION!? Stupid WINGS!

the whole thing about roundsaucer-shape also includes that the entire BODY provides lift when in flight so you don't actually need wings for that.


Fixed
 
2012-10-08 03:20:46 AM
What's the music with the video? I know I've heard it but I'm drawing a blank.
 
2012-10-08 03:38:02 AM

Khazar-Khum: What's the music with the video? I know I've heard it but I'm drawing a blank.


Ask and yea shall receive

Linkage
 
2012-10-08 04:04:24 AM
Those are schematics for a 1950s street light not a UFO.
 
2012-10-08 04:55:20 AM
Article cited for improper begging the question.

Throw it back.
 
2012-10-08 05:42:09 AM
Heh, US Military thought they could break the law of aerodynamics. Well, the US Military can break a lot of laws, but this one is not one of em
 
2012-10-08 06:31:42 AM
Well, to state the obvious we know exactly what it is. It's as identified as is possible to be.
 
2012-10-08 07:23:41 AM

cman: Heh, US Military thought they could break the law of aerodynamics. Well, the US Military can break a lot of laws, but this one is not one of em


It's news to me that there is a single law of aerodynamics.
 
2012-10-08 07:26:21 AM
Screw a holodeck, give me that machine from the 5th Element and a lock of Kate Upton's hair.
 
2012-10-08 07:37:19 AM
About the same time, the US played around with flying wings. Those designs didn't work with the technology of the time. However, a few decades latter the problems were overcome, and the B-2 bomber was designed. I wonder if these designs were looked at today, what could be done with modern technology. VTOL and mach 4? I want one!
 
2012-10-08 08:13:53 AM

wildcardjack: Khazar-Khum: What's the music with the video? I know I've heard it but I'm drawing a blank.

Ask and yea shall receive

Linkage


Wow.

I think I'm in love.
 
2012-10-08 08:27:19 AM
wpc.556e.edgecastcdn.net
gamingshogun.com
images2.wikia.nocookie.net

Run! Run for your lives!
 
2012-10-08 08:39:15 AM

logistic: Wait, what? Seriously, WTF? Why didn't they disclose this eons ago in the face of the Disclosure Project, millions of sightings, international concerns....

Releasing it now, randomly....seriously...WTF?


It was classified. That just wore off.
 
2012-10-08 08:47:27 AM
People still wonder about all the secrecy with UFOs back in the day.

People readily accept that the military is all about secrecy regarding it's top secret flying machines (UFOs).

I want to believe... but it's all the same old DOD money wasting.
 
2012-10-08 09:05:01 AM
"there's actually no Holodeck"

WHY MUST YOU CRUSH MY DREAMS?!

*shoots subby*
 
2012-10-08 09:12:29 AM

Quantum Apostrophe: Smoking GNU: t it being round and not having various straight out sticky bits like WINGS

Who needs LIFT when we have IMAGINATION!? Stupid WINGS!




So lifting bodies don't work in your universe?
That's one crazy place you got going there.
 
2012-10-08 09:29:00 AM

Quantum Apostrophe: Smoking GNU: t it being round and not having various straight out sticky bits like WINGS

Who needs LIFT when we have IMAGINATION!? Stupid WINGS!


Ever thrown a frisbee?
 
2012-10-08 09:29:53 AM

costermonger: Avro again?

*checks TFA*

Yep, Avro.


Came for this
/Leaving spent
 
2012-10-08 09:58:20 AM
ufossupernaturalmagazine.com
 
2012-10-08 09:58:37 AM

Quantum Apostrophe: Smoking GNU: t it being round and not having various straight out sticky bits like WINGS

Who needs LIFT when we have IMAGINATION!? Stupid WINGS!


Lift is just a theory anyway... no one knows how or why it works.
 
2012-10-08 10:26:07 AM

Smoking GNU: the whole thing about round also includes that the entire BODY provides lift when in flight so you don't actually need wings for that.


Which is why the sky is filled with the damn things. Who needs practical reality when we have artist's impressions!
 
2012-10-08 10:42:29 AM
Well, what's missing from the article is the fact that we were going to power it with pealmeal bacon, maple glazed Tim Hortons donuts, and it was going to shoot nuclear tipped hockey pucks. Also, we never did figure out how to board our dog sleds and keep our igloos from melting over the nice Corinthian leather flight deck.
 
2012-10-08 11:18:40 AM

ParagonComplex: Something like this probably accounts for nearly all of the UFO sightings from around that time and probably even today.


Yes, because they were at the flying-over-inhabited-areas stage of testing.

Check out the video in the article. They had a working prototype aircar that got three feet off the ground and was tethered to external power. There's no way that this stuff was responsible for even a single UFO sighting.
 
2012-10-08 11:19:27 AM

dittybopper: cman: Heh, US Military thought they could break the law of aerodynamics. Well, the US Military can break a lot of laws, but this one is not one of em

It's news to me that there is a single law of aerodynamics.


What goes up, must come down?
 
2012-10-08 12:21:25 PM

ParagonComplex: Something like this probably accounts for nearly all of the UFO sightings from around that time and probably even today. Then you have to wonder how they got the idea to begin with.


Yeah. "It begs the question - why was the project dropped?"
 
2012-10-08 12:52:05 PM

Quantum Apostrophe: No holodeck? Bah, those are obsolete anyways. We need a 3D printerdeck.


isn't that just a Holodeck with the safeties off?
 
2012-10-08 12:59:50 PM

andrewagill: I think I'm in love.


Is your life looking up?
 
2012-10-08 01:03:06 PM

ParagonComplex: Something like this probably accounts for nearly all of the UFO sightings from around that time and probably even today. Then you have to wonder how they got the idea to begin with.


www.enterprisemission.com
"Back in those glory days, I was very uncomfortable when they asked us to say things we didn't want to say and deny other things. Some people asked, you know, were you alone out there? We never gave the real answer, and yet we see things out there, strange things, but we know what we saw out there. And we couldn't really say anything. The bosses were really afraid of this, they were afraid of the War of the Worlds type stuff, and about panic in the streets. So, we had to keep quiet. And now we only see these things in our nightmares or maybe in the movies, and some of them are pretty close to being the truth."
 
2012-10-08 01:07:44 PM

Just Another OC Homeless Guy: ParagonComplex: Something like this probably accounts for nearly all of the UFO sightings from around that time and probably even today. Then you have to wonder how they got the idea to begin with.

Yeah. "It begs the question - why was the project dropped?"


The answer is: "Germany".
WW2 Germany was a very progressive place when it came to technology. They developed aircraft and weapons that could have handed us our asses if mass produced.
After WW2, the allies found all manner of test program and documentation that entirely rewrote the theories behind how a flying machine could work.
The German scientists brought a wealth of knowledge and, with the communist threat rising, the Americans were desperate to find an edge.

They built and tested all manner of crazy contraption. Some worked, some didn't.

I'd file the Avro car in with the latter. There was probably a very viable theory buried behind their reasoning for building it. But the execution was flawed or they just didn't have enough horsepower.

As time went buy and we got a better idea of what kinds of aircraft we needed, these side projects were simply shelved.
Maybe they could now build a flying saucer that can zip around in any direction at supersonic speeds... but with guided missiles, what would it matter?
A more traditional aircraft does as good a job with less reliance an aerodynamic voodoo.
 
2012-10-08 02:38:08 PM
Working prototypes were built and tested from the Niagara Falls AFB in the early 1960s. Project Bluebird? something like that. My Dad's mentor was working on the project at the time, and while he took the details to his grave, after my Dad sighted one of the "UFOs" one night while out on a hot date, old Danny would only smile and nod and say nothing. It wasn't like Danny to say *nothing*.

Every time Dad tells the story of seeing the thing, then trying to get away at top speed, he gets goosebumps on his arms. I remember back in the early '90s Pop Sci or Pop Mechanics had an issue with all the declassified UFO stuff in it, and there it was, plain as day. I bought a copy for Dad to read, just to confirm what we pretty much already knew after the fact.
UFOs are man-made X Project rejects, nothing more.

I wonder if it could be done now with modern computerized controls...
 
2012-10-08 03:23:11 PM

way south: WW2 Germany was a very progressive place when it came to technology.


Actually, it was a mixed bag. They only started getting really progressive when they stopped winning. Look at the development of their high-tech weaponry, and it was all either started or kicked into high gear in 1942.
 
2012-10-08 04:13:05 PM

Just Another OC Homeless Guy: Yeah. "It begs the question - why was the project dropped?"


power constraints and aerodynamics
 
2012-10-08 04:14:53 PM

dittybopper: way south: WW2 Germany was a very progressive place when it came to technology.

Actually, it was a mixed bag. They only started getting really progressive when they stopped winning. Look at the development of their high-tech weaponry, and it was all either started or kicked into high gear in 1942.


The more extreme stuff like the flying wings and rocket fighters, yes. Some of those were stupidly dangerous flying machines and only wartime desperation made them seem reasonable.
...But the Germans were always forward thinking and generous in their development spending. They were leading the way long before WWII kicked into high gear.
Its a pattern you can see in their early fighters. The Eindecker and its Interrupter gear, the Albatross and its monocoque body, The Junkers and its metal construction.

Not that other nations didn't have smart people or good technology. But when the British made their first jet engine, a conservative mindset made them shelf the project. The Germans put their jet in a plane that flew in 39.

Hitler wanted things to bomb London with, which helped to weaponize alot of technology, but the Germans progressive attitude towards engineering is what enabled these projects from decades before.
 
2012-10-08 05:28:46 PM

costermonger: Avro again?

*checks TFA*

Yep, Avro.


Thanks for saving me the trouble. I thought it would be the Avrocar.

/recently?
//nobody ever brings up this
 
2012-10-10 03:52:50 PM
We'ren't dozens of saucer-like craft experimented with in the quest for a VTOL platform?


//there's a reason the B2 stealth bomber produced so many UFO reports itself..
 
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