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2012-10-07 09:36:47 PM  
8 votes:
If you look at types of movies during the Great Depression you find musicals, gangster films, and romances. Which is pretty much what we have today. Most 'Grown Up' films are depressing in one form or another, and right now most people don't want to pay money to be reminded that times are bad. The economy improves and grown up films will become more popular.
2012-10-07 10:22:27 PM  
7 votes:
What happened was people realized film and other visual media is, for the almost completely most part, an inferior medium for presenting complex ideas, themes and stories. It's a great medium for presenting pretty ideas that require less thought than more to be plausible

Anyone that wants complexity, reads*.

*Books without pictures
2012-10-07 09:27:12 PM  
4 votes:
Soccer moms and hen pecked girly men decided to start rating movies "for the children" and made it unprofitable to get too high of a rating. Hence, PG-13 became the terminal illness of art in Hollywood and now the only good movies for mature audiences are foreign or indie.
2012-10-08 12:27:12 AM  
3 votes:
Guessing he didn't see The King's Speech, then.
2012-10-08 12:22:49 AM  
3 votes:

shower_in_my_socks: His bit about Lawrence of Arabia not being made now is because an epic drama with a huge budget is a giant risk. See: Cleopatra, Heavens Gate.


He's simply wrong about that. You want epics with huge budgets? Prometheus just came out this year! It wasn't brilliant, but not every epic will be. The Lord of the Rings movies. Kingdom of Heaven. Gladiator. Avatar. There Will Be Blood. The Assassination of Jesse James by the Coward Robert Ford. Apocalypto. The Last Samurai. Master and Commanders. Lots of others I'm just not thinking of.

This guy is a whiner.
2012-10-07 11:54:25 PM  
3 votes:
Articles like this are the equivalent of the size 0 woman complaining that everything is just too big and she can't find anything that fits.
2012-10-07 09:42:53 PM  
3 votes:
(out today from Simon & Schuster)

Ah. So this is a 'shiat I made up' article.
2012-10-08 07:41:21 AM  
2 votes:

shower_in_my_socks: He obviously knows what he's talking about, and I agree with a lot of it. His bit about Lawrence of Arabia not being made now is because an epic drama with a huge budget is a giant risk. See: Cleopatra, Heavens Gate.


Meh. It's not like every farking film in the 1960's was Lawrence of Arabia. Lawrence of Arabia stands out because it is exceptional, even for back then, not because it was the norm.
2012-10-08 12:12:47 AM  
2 votes:
He obviously knows what he's talking about, and I agree with a lot of it. His bit about Lawrence of Arabia not being made now is because an epic drama with a huge budget is a giant risk. See: Cleopatra, Heavens Gate.

There are plenty of "adult" movies still being made, and it's ironic that he used Clooney's photo at the top of the article and mentioned that Michael Clayton wouldn't be made today, because Clooney produced the excellent Argo, which is a "movie for grown-ups." I think that Michael Clayton would still get made today because the same people who made that are still making adult movies.

The only complaint that I have about films today is that the incredible rise of independent filmmaking in the 90's and 00's seems to have subsided a bit, and that's probably what he's getting at. I also agree that some of those great indie directors aren't working as much as they should. But a lot of that energy and originality has transferred to television dramas on the niche cable networks, which are akin to independent film studios, so I think it's a wash from an overall entertainment point of view.
2012-10-07 11:04:25 PM  
2 votes:
Nothing. Stop whining and go watch them, you idiot.
2012-10-08 06:22:41 PM  
1 vote:

Confabulat: I think there are more "movies for grown-ups" today than there were decades ago. You just don't see them making huge numbers at the box office. Doesn't mean they don't exist, lazy person.


Yeah, David Denby only knows about mainstream flicks.

ihopOVERpancakes: So any movie with an action sequence is unwatchable and worthless? This is exactly the kind of pretentious shiat that makes people hate the New Yorker.


You sound like you like the Transformers movies.
2012-10-08 01:09:43 PM  
1 vote:
The last film I actually bothered to go to the theater to see was the third Batman movie, and I think there's a case to be made that Nolan's Batman trilogy are pretty grown-up films. Sure, they have plenty of action sequences and suspense, but the underlying issues they address (the nature of evil, the natural of civil society, how far should a man go to protect those who he doesn't know, etc.) are pretty adult, and the films don't try to provide any easy answers.

The Prestige was definitely a movie for adults, and while Inception is more accessible, the basic philosophical question it poses (what is reality?) is one which has been with us since we started thinking about things beyond where our next meal was coming from.
2012-10-08 01:04:31 PM  
1 vote:
People in this thread are offended by the notion that making more 'grown-up' movies is a bad thing because everyone on Fark is a comic book dipshiat.

Of course there are still grown-up movies. ALL of you guys are GROWN-UP. It's simply the fact that the Avengers media.comicbookmovie.com is considered a grown-up movie these days.

So you guys are all grown-up watchng grown up movies talking about The Avengers media.comicbookmovie.com all day.

ALL OF YOU!

I know ALL of your Fark handles and you ALL splooged on that stupid shiat all day long for farking months.
2012-10-08 08:07:36 AM  
1 vote:
Elderly New Yorker is upset at something, news at eleven
2012-10-08 07:59:19 AM  
1 vote:
I blame part of the problem of sequil-itis. If something does well, guarenteed a sequil is being looked at. Instead of working on new material, time/money are spent on milking more profit from something that more times than not, lowers the bar set by the original and waters down the other movies out there.
2012-10-08 07:35:07 AM  
1 vote:
the author is right, but most farkers have the intellect of a five year old with autism and therefore adore comic book movies... hence the author gets flamed...
2012-10-08 07:03:15 AM  
1 vote:
Like everything else that has disappeared, they are still there but you have to actually find them but that takes work so just sit back and complain.
2012-10-08 04:39:46 AM  
1 vote:

doglover: Soccer moms and hen pecked girly men decided to start rating movies "for the children" and made it unprofitable to get too high of a rating. Hence, PG-13 became the terminal illness of art in Hollywood and now the only good movies for mature audiences are foreign or indie.


A lot of that also had to do with the fact that since the late 90s, budgets have skyrocketed.

Case in point, The Godfather. Had a budget of $6 million. I know the was 1971 dollars, but even adjusted for inflation, it was cheaper than your average Katherine Heigl flick. 

Since a lot of actors now command huge salaries, any major studio event movie will run upwards of 70 million, and studios insist on a PG-13 to even have a chance being profitable.
2012-10-08 04:23:36 AM  
1 vote:
This article written the same week The Master opens wide release?

Is the author retarded?
2012-10-08 04:20:34 AM  
1 vote:

propasaurus: DamnYankees: coco ebert: DamnYankees: coco ebert: I think romances and romantic comedies though tend to be awful and not geared towards anything close to the reality for grownups.

This isn't true either. The problem David Denby has is that he's no longer just a grown-up; he's a senior citizen. Most of the big comedies made these days are for grown ups - Denby just doesn't like the fact that grown-ups are 25 years younger than him, and he doesn't like their humor, so he tries to take the bullshiat high ground by defining that comedy as not "grown-up".

That may be. I just can't think of the last time I saw a romantic comedy I could remotely relate to and I'm 32.

(500) Days of Summer
The 40 Year-Old Virgin
Lars and the Real Girl
High Fidelity

Keep in mind, romantic comedies have ALWAYS been a genre of shiat. How many legitimately great romantic comedies are there, ever? Harry Met Sally and Annie Hall? That's, like, the whole list.

Just off the top of my head: The Awful Truth, Philadelphia Story, Bringing Up Baby, Ball of Fire.


Princess Bride?
2012-10-08 04:19:36 AM  
1 vote:
Dear article writer,

This Film Is Not Yet Rated came out six years ago. You're late to the party on this argument.

Signed,
Guy not reading your upcoming book
2012-10-08 01:10:31 AM  
1 vote:
Did that dude do a "they'd NEVER make that today!" with a movie that's 5 years old?
2012-10-08 12:28:39 AM  
1 vote:

coco ebert: I think romances and romantic comedies though tend to be awful and not geared towards anything close to the reality for grownups.


This isn't true either. The problem David Denby has is that he's no longer just a grown-up; he's a senior citizen. Most of the big comedies made these days are for grown ups - Denby just doesn't like the fact that grown-ups are 25 years younger than him, and he doesn't like their humor, so he tries to take the bullshiat high ground by defining that comedy as not "grown-up".
2012-10-08 12:26:43 AM  
1 vote:

DamnYankees: shower_in_my_socks: His bit about Lawrence of Arabia not being made now is because an epic drama with a huge budget is a giant risk. See: Cleopatra, Heavens Gate.

He's simply wrong about that. You want epics with huge budgets? Prometheus just came out this year! It wasn't brilliant, but not every epic will be. The Lord of the Rings movies. Kingdom of Heaven. Gladiator. Avatar. There Will Be Blood. The Assassination of Jesse James by the Coward Robert Ford. Apocalypto. The Last Samurai. Master and Commanders. Lots of others I'm just not thinking of.

This guy is a whiner.


I agree with you when to comes to epic movies. I think romances and romantic comedies though tend to be awful and not geared towards anything close to the reality for grownups.
2012-10-08 12:05:20 AM  
1 vote:
I think there are more "movies for grown-ups" today than there were decades ago. You just don't see them making huge numbers at the box office. Doesn't mean they don't exist, lazy person.
2012-10-07 11:40:54 PM  
1 vote:
They all have subtitles.
2012-10-07 11:28:09 PM  
1 vote:
So any movie with an action sequence is unwatchable and worthless? This is exactly the kind of pretentious shiat that makes people hate the New Yorker.
2012-10-07 11:26:23 PM  
1 vote:

GAT_00: (out today from Simon & Schuster)

Ah. So this is a 'shiat I made up' article.


Yeah, I got that "Look at me, I have a new book out!" vibe pretty much right away.
2012-10-07 10:48:29 PM  
1 vote:
They're called "adult films" now please move on to some other subject, I've got some fapping to do.
ZAZ [TotalFark]
2012-10-07 09:34:36 PM  
1 vote:
doglover

Around the 1980s it also became unprofitable to get too low a rating. Studios would throw in a few swear words to boost the "children only" G rating to a "fun for all ages" PG.
 
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