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2012-10-07 09:20:09 PM
4 votes:
I had a transgendered friend back in college who transitioned from male to female.

She had to go through so much to do it, to make absolutely sure that there was no chance of going back. Years of meetings with a therapist, living full time as a woman for years, basically having to justify it to multiple medical/mental health professionals and jump through a series of hoops meant to make sure you were content with it being a one-way trip.

Is it easier to do in the UK? I couldn't imagine somebody who went through everything my friend went through, basically being interviewed and analyzed and counseled for hours a week, for years about motivation and reasons and feelings on the issue, while living as a woman full time the whole time. By the time she had the operation, she had changed her name legally well over a year prior, had been working at a job where everyone there only had ever known her as a woman, had not acted in a male gender role for two years, and had spent hundreds of hours between therapists, endocrinologists, and psychiatrists. She'd broken up with her longtime girlfriend/fiancee of several years, and been disowned by much of her family.

Seriously, I thought before they let you have irreversible surgery they made 100% sure you were committed to this, and knew beyond a shadow of a doubt it's what you want and there is no going back.
2012-10-07 08:50:25 PM
4 votes:
This is why children should not be ok'd to get the surgery or take hormones to stop puberty.
2012-10-07 08:52:36 PM
3 votes:
i232.photobucket.com
Looks like David Attenbourough and Steve Buscemi got together and had an older man.
2012-10-07 05:36:53 PM
3 votes:
So be a lesbian. Plenty of people get gender reassignment to female and still have sexual relations with women. Who you're attracted to has nothing to do with gender identity.
2012-10-07 09:26:14 PM
2 votes:

Ambivalence: RoyBatty: Ambivalence: So be a lesbian. Plenty of people get gender reassignment to female and still have sexual relations with women. Who you're attracted to has nothing to do with gender identity.

Regardless, he now feels trapped in the wrong body, no different than a 18 or 23 year old.

And he is probably attracted to women that are not lesbians so they have no attraction to him.

Being trapped in the wrong body is what would have made him switch in the first place. Maybe there is no "right" body for him.


This is also a possibility.
2012-10-07 08:46:32 PM
2 votes:
Has he checked down on Second Avenue towards St. Mark's Place, where all those people sell used books and other junk on the street?
2012-10-07 08:30:16 PM
2 votes:
Humans cannot do a sex swap yet. It's just beyond our technical capacity.

If you are transgendered and confused, that's okay. Find yourself and come to grips with it. But be warned: if you actually go through with some kind of genital changing operations, there's no going back. EVER.
2012-10-08 02:52:35 PM
1 votes:
fandomania.com

/now not so disappointed
2012-10-08 10:04:14 AM
1 votes:
These people are so farked in the head they can't even decide what sex they want to be. This is what happens when you let people under the influence of a mental illness undergo such pointless procedures. Ah well. Humans are stupid.
2012-10-08 12:22:24 AM
1 votes:

RoyBatty: tinfoil-hat maggie: You should have fired him then gone for a three-some :)
/Best thing to do with a failing relationship ;P

Perhaps not a bad idea.


If nothing else it can be fun ;)
2012-10-08 12:09:48 AM
1 votes:

sleeps in trees: Bashar and Asma's Infinite Playlist: The One True TheDavid: sleeps in trees: tinfoil-hat maggie: sleeps in trees:

I also feel for the guy but, he made his bed. That being said, I think the poor dude has issues in the noggin that have not been addressed. Apart from the obvious there are some huge tells like the idea that doing "female" things ie: yoga, will make him feel feel womanly. If that is how it works then I'm a man..

Yea, and how this person could contemplate having that kind of surgery while liking women and then saying "I was forced to live as a lesbian", WTF?
/Maybe he should Batboy

Not knowing the case I would go with body dismorphia. Unfortunately that was not a term readily used at the time he made his decision.

I don't see a major difference between "body dysmorphia" and "transsexuality." Rather I see the latter in many cases as a subset of the former, for those who say "This part doesn't really belong on me."

But would you deny that for certain people in certain situations, the best that could happen to them would be a complete, irreversible sex change?

Sorry, I don't understand your question.


I think we're just coming at the problem from a different angle. I want to prevent those children who are truly born into different bodies from suffering the stigma of looking like a trans, instead letting them get help pre-puberty. You are arguing for the case of "What if they change their mind?" I accept that certain people in certain circumstances will change their minds. Do you believe that certain people in certain circumstances will never change their minds?
2012-10-08 12:00:25 AM
1 votes:

The One True TheDavid: sleeps in trees: tinfoil-hat maggie: sleeps in trees:

I also feel for the guy but, he made his bed. That being said, I think the poor dude has issues in the noggin that have not been addressed. Apart from the obvious there are some huge tells like the idea that doing "female" things ie: yoga, will make him feel feel womanly. If that is how it works then I'm a man..

Yea, and how this person could contemplate having that kind of surgery while liking women and then saying "I was forced to live as a lesbian", WTF?
/Maybe he should Batboy

Not knowing the case I would go with body dismorphia. Unfortunately that was not a term readily used at the time he made his decision.

I don't see a major difference between "body dysmorphia" and "transsexuality." Rather I see the latter in many cases as a subset of the former, for those who say "This part doesn't really belong on me."


You've said here you're gay. Why can't you be straight? You still haven't answered me :)
2012-10-07 10:53:54 PM
1 votes:

The One True TheDavid: Bashar and Asma's Infinite Playlist: attention span of a retarded fruit fly:

This is why children should not be ok'd to get the surgery or take hormones to stop puberty.

I disagree. Children should have priority because once they hit puberty, there's no turning back and they end up looking like a man with breasts in a bikini.

That's disgusting. I hope you're being sarcastic.

We don't let prepubescent children decide to smoke pot, drive, vote, buy bourbon, quit school or have sex with Uncle Ernie, why should we let them decide to have irreversible elective surgery?


Well for one thing they'd have to go through a rigorous medical and psychological evaluation, so it's a few more hoops than a kid deciding to drink bourbon. However if bourbon were considered the best diagnosis by a panel of physicians and psychologists, I'd be fine with the kid having a swig every now and then also.
2012-10-07 10:33:12 PM
1 votes:
Maybe he'd feel better if someone explained to him that, even if he still had his original equipment, it probably wouldn't work very well at his age.
2012-10-07 10:06:19 PM
1 votes:
www.vitalbodies.net
2012-10-07 09:51:45 PM
1 votes:
doglover:

Humans cannot do a sex swap yet. It's just beyond our technical capacity.

If you are transgendered and confused, that's okay. Find yourself and come to grips with it. But be warned: if you actually go through with some kind of genital changing operations, there's no going back. EVER.


This is why I say live and dress as you feel, even take hormones, but don't have "sex-change" surgery. It's better to have some "non-fitting" parts than to have them removed and then regret it later.

Besides which, however you feel inside, once you get over say 16 most men make lousy-looking "women." Seriously. Having spent several of my formative years as a queer in the Francisco Bay area means I can almost always tell who wasn't born a woman if they decided to "transition" after they were old enough to vote. Sorry, but the vast majority of you will always be seen by anybody who knows what to look for as transsexuals, not women, regardless of which pronoun we use for you. (And the same goes for Thai ladyboys, by the way.)

Trangender does not have to equal transsexual. Stand up for your right to be a butch or a sissy. Make the world adapt to you for a change.
2012-10-07 09:43:22 PM
1 votes:
i306.photobucket.com
2012-10-07 09:25:59 PM
1 votes:

attention span of a retarded fruit fly: This is why children should not be ok'd to get the surgery or take hormones to stop puberty.


I disagree. Children should have priority because once they hit puberty, there's no turning back and they end up looking like a man with breasts in a bikini.
2012-10-07 09:22:25 PM
1 votes:

Silverstaff: Seriously, I thought before they let you have irreversible surgery they made 100% sure you were committed to this, and knew beyond a shadow of a doubt it's what you want and there is no going back.


I know next to nothing about it, but surfing the net, it's not clear this is true anymore, or that people can't relatively easily self-medicate their own hormone treatments, or that doctors make it much easier to transition.
2012-10-07 09:17:47 PM
1 votes:

Ambivalence: So be a lesbian. Plenty of people get gender reassignment to female and still have sexual relations with women. Who you're attracted to has nothing to do with gender identity.


Regardless, he now feels trapped in the wrong body, no different than a 18 or 23 year old.

And he is probably attracted to women that are not lesbians so they have no attraction to him,

ecmoRandomNumbers: At his age, what would be the point?



From that one picture, he looks to be in pretty good health. People's desires or desire for love and companionship don't magically stop.

attention span of a retarded fruit fly:
This is why children should not be ok'd to get the surgery or take hormones to stop puberty.

At this stage in our knowledge of biology, neuroscience, and surgery, I'd say this is pretty much true. There are many reasons we don't allow children to make decisions on their own, even decisions that ostensibly might be good for them.

We don't let them decide not to go to school. Is it really right to agree with a 6 year old when they insist they are of the wrong sex? http://abcnews.go.com/2020/story?id=3088298&page=1

I do understand the reasoning that if they are of the wrong gender it's much much better to switch before puberty.
2012-10-07 09:13:00 PM
1 votes:

attention span of a retarded fruit fly: This is why children should not be ok'd to get the surgery or take hormones to stop puberty.


I agree. It's a shame that that position is treated as being bigoted though.
2012-10-07 09:10:49 PM
1 votes:
Hasn't South Park done this already?
2012-10-07 08:58:15 PM
1 votes:

Ambivalence: So be a lesbian. Plenty of people get gender reassignment to female and still have sexual relations with women. Who you're attracted to has nothing to do with gender identity.


Considering most examples of 'British hot' look like I'd hate to see 'British Bulldyke'. They took his penis, not his standards.
2012-10-07 08:55:52 PM
1 votes:
Women. They can never make up their minds.
2012-10-07 08:50:24 PM
1 votes:
Wait, so there's some confusion around a sex change?!?
2012-10-07 08:50:15 PM
1 votes:
Was there a need to blow up the picture so large you could see the grain? At best that image should, by law, be postage stamp size or smaller.
2012-10-07 08:45:43 PM
1 votes:
Never has this been soooo true

It's a man baby!!

img.thesun.co.uk
2012-10-07 08:43:37 PM
1 votes:
At his age, what would be the point?
2012-10-07 05:27:33 PM
1 votes:
NHS sex-change policy: "Limit one per customer."
 
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