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2012-10-08 12:33:16 AM

Britney Spear's Speculum: "I date women but once they find out I have a female body it always ends."

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Sir, I don't see any modifications there.
 
2012-10-08 12:53:06 AM

God-is-a-Taco: Sir, I don't see any modifications there.


It was brown, it's now white.
 
2012-10-08 12:55:21 AM

sleeps in trees:
I've often wondered, if we were all accepting, would these operations exist? I mean do the parts matter that much? Or, is it about society's traditional view and treatment of each sex that is what he/she is trying to attain.


I think they would still exist, maybe fewer people would go that far but I think it would happen. People have been using natural hormones for thousands of years to change their gender identity so why not surgery as well?
 
2012-10-08 01:07:01 AM

The One True TheDavid: So do people who hear voices telling them to kill themselves and so on, like I have every day since Feb. 16, 1992.


Dude, you really need to get some different roommates.



/sympathetic, just being a wise@ss
 
2012-10-08 01:12:25 AM
Its easier to make a hole than a pole. Buy a strap on and STFU.
 
2012-10-08 01:35:13 AM

MacEnvy: 23 years ago, he may not have gotten a psych eval.


Um, yeah, he would have; indeed, it's much easier to shop around for loosened psych standards nowadays than back then.

The thing is, psych evals have all the scientific rigor and predictive power of a horoscope or reading entrails.
 
2012-10-08 01:35:14 AM

tinfoil-hat maggie: sleeps in trees:
I've often wondered, if we were all accepting, would these operations exist? I mean do the parts matter that much? Or, is it about society's traditional view and treatment of each sex that is what he/she is trying to attain.

I think they would still exist, maybe fewer people would go that far but I think it would happen. People have been using natural hormones for thousands of years to change their gender identity so why not surgery as well?


I just wonder how many? I see too many kids that actually think there is something wrong with them because they don't fit in to our present day norms. Really great kids, smart, mature, compassionate kids that think they are damaged. They would take magic pill if it made them feel like they could fit in. I don't think that truly goes away as an adult.
 
2012-10-08 01:35:15 AM

MattyBlast: Sorry pal, there's no such procedure as an addadicktome.


Accccutalllllyyyy... There are phalloplasties.

/Also metoidoplasties, but they would not work in this case.
 
2012-10-08 01:39:32 AM

doglover: Humans cannot do a sex swap yet. It's just beyond our technical capacity.

If you are transgendered and confused, that's okay. Find yourself and come to grips with it. But be warned: if you actually go through with some kind of genital changing operations, there's no going back. EVER.


Wow, really? Interesting. You'd think that there'd be a whole community of medical and mental health professionals out there, who study this subject and might be there to help these folks, right? And then have them go through complicated and expensive therapy sessions, sometimes for years before allowing them to do anything permanent. After that, they might even have them go through hormone replacement therapy for a year or two, often while living in the gender role to which they intend to be, to make sure they know what they're getting into and such.

Might even require a couple psychiatrists to compose letters which confirm that they've evaluated the person and that the person has gone through a whole battery of tests, therapy and such in order to get the surgery done. Wow, if only there existed such standards, and if only such a medical and mental health community filled with such professionals existed.

Oh well, I guess such a thing is a far-off dream, and we'll have to live in this reality where transitioning from one gender to the other takes about 15 minutes, a whim and a small bit of pocket change, right?
 
2012-10-08 01:49:08 AM

sleeps in trees: tinfoil-hat maggie: sleeps in trees:
I've often wondered, if we were all accepting, would these operations exist? I mean do the parts matter that much? Or, is it about society's traditional view and treatment of each sex that is what he/she is trying to attain.

I think they would still exist, maybe fewer people would go that far but I think it would happen. People have been using natural hormones for thousands of years to change their gender identity so why not surgery as well?

I just wonder how many? I see too many kids that actually think there is something wrong with them because they don't fit in to our present day norms. Really great kids, smart, mature, compassionate kids that think they are damaged. They would take magic pill if it made them feel like they could fit in. I don't think that truly goes away as an adult.


I'd say most that go through it now and transition is anything but a magic pill. First off imagine how you feel being shot full of testosterone, it's not gonna feel right unless it is, then well for FTM's full mastectomy, how would you feel about that? And for MTF I've heard facial electrolysis is not quit nice because the article got one thing wrong for sure, hormones don't stop facial hair growth unless it's prepuberty. So no magic pill and I don't see how that would be a way to fit in.

Although there is this she took a lot of heat from it from my understanding but I believe it's possible and something that therapist should know.
 
2012-10-08 01:59:02 AM

tinfoil-hat maggie: sleeps in trees: tinfoil-hat maggie: sleeps in trees:
I've often wondered, if we were all accepting, would these operations exist? I mean do the parts matter that much? Or, is it about society's traditional view and treatment of each sex that is what he/she is trying to attain.

I think they would still exist, maybe fewer people would go that far but I think it would happen. People have been using natural hormones for thousands of years to change their gender identity so why not surgery as well?

I just wonder how many? I see too many kids that actually think there is something wrong with them because they don't fit in to our present day norms. Really great kids, smart, mature, compassionate kids that think they are damaged. They would take magic pill if it made them feel like they could fit in. I don't think that truly goes away as an adult.

I'd say most that go through it now and transition is anything but a magic pill. First off imagine how you feel being shot full of testosterone, it's not gonna feel right unless it is, then well for FTM's full mastectomy, how would you feel about that? And for MTF I've heard facial electrolysis is not quit nice because the article got one thing wrong for sure, hormones don't stop facial hair growth unless it's prepuberty. So no magic pill and I don't see how that would be a way to fit in.

Although there is this she took a lot of heat from it from my understanding but I believe it's possible and something that therapist should know.


Huh? I'm saying - which I did not say was a "disorder" - that some of these kids would do anything to fit into society's normal. Sometimes it isn't needed. All they need is acceptance.

As for the author that wrote that article, in my clinical opinion she is a twatwaffle.
 
2012-10-08 02:10:47 AM

sleeps in trees: tinfoil-hat maggie: sleeps in trees:
I've often wondered, if we were all accepting, would these operations exist? I mean do the parts matter that much? Or, is it about society's traditional view and treatment of each sex that is what he/she is trying to attain.

I think they would still exist, maybe fewer people would go that far but I think it would happen. People have been using natural hormones for thousands of years to change their gender identity so why not surgery as well?

I just wonder how many? I see too many kids that actually think there is something wrong with them because they don't fit in to our present day norms. Really great kids, smart, mature, compassionate kids that think they are damaged. They would take magic pill if it made them feel like they could fit in. I don't think that truly goes away as an adult.


Pro-tip: It's not a lack of "acceptance" that leads to transition. People go through therapy before they're allowed to do anything towards transitionin. For most folks who transition, it's a general feeling of dysphoria with the physical parameters of their form. It's more akin to waking up one morning and finding out you're missing a leg or tongue. There are folks who transgress gender norms to varying degrees and find communities of acceptance; they do not transition. A lot of folks who do transition attempt that first, and it doesn't work.

Because there is a whole community of medical and mental health professionals who do make a considerable amount of effort at studying the issue and in fact don't hand out surgery and hormones. In fact, a debate exists within the medical and psychiatric community over whether the process currently in place is too restrictive in that it has in the past held transitioning individuals to unrealistic standards of "normality" they wouldn't apply otherwise to people who are not trans.
 
2012-10-08 02:10:55 AM

sleeps in trees: tinfoil-hat maggie: sleeps in trees: tinfoil-hat maggie: sleeps in trees:
I've often wondered, if we were all accepting, would these operations exist? I mean do the parts matter that much? Or, is it about society's traditional view and treatment of each sex that is what he/she is trying to attain.

I think they would still exist, maybe fewer people would go that far but I think it would happen. People have been using natural hormones for thousands of years to change their gender identity so why not surgery as well?

I just wonder how many? I see too many kids that actually think there is something wrong with them because they don't fit in to our present day norms. Really great kids, smart, mature, compassionate kids that think they are damaged. They would take magic pill if it made them feel like they could fit in. I don't think that truly goes away as an adult.

I'd say most that go through it now and transition is anything but a magic pill. First off imagine how you feel being shot full of testosterone, it's not gonna feel right unless it is, then well for FTM's full mastectomy, how would you feel about that? And for MTF I've heard facial electrolysis is not quit nice because the article got one thing wrong for sure, hormones don't stop facial hair growth unless it's prepuberty. So no magic pill and I don't see how that would be a way to fit in.

Although there is this she took a lot of heat from it from my understanding but I believe it's possible and something that therapist should know.

Huh? I'm saying - which I did not say was a "disorder" - that some of these kids would do anything to fit into society's normal. Sometimes it isn't needed. All they need is acceptance.

As for the author that wrote that article, in my clinical opinion she is a twatwaffle.


Sorry I'm getting tired and didn't catch that. Yes , people need acceptance and it would be nice if there weren't rigid social constructs trying to fit everyone into one or two molds.

I have no opinion on the author of that, I will say she's a trans woman, sites kind of interesting but... oh well it's late and been along day.
 
2012-10-08 02:14:10 AM

Ambivalence: Who you're attracted to has nothing to do with gender identity.


Indeed. That's why the idea of LGBT groups is so odd. You might as well include euphonium players in there.
 
2012-10-08 02:16:26 AM

ColdFusion: sleeps in trees: tinfoil-hat maggie: sleeps in trees:
I've often wondered, if we were all accepting, would these operations exist? I mean do the parts matter that much? Or, is it about society's traditional view and treatment of each sex that is what he/she is trying to attain.

I think they would still exist, maybe fewer people would go that far but I think it would happen. People have been using natural hormones for thousands of years to change their gender identity so why not surgery as well?

I just wonder how many? I see too many kids that actually think there is something wrong with them because they don't fit in to our present day norms. Really great kids, smart, mature, compassionate kids that think they are damaged. They would take magic pill if it made them feel like they could fit in. I don't think that truly goes away as an adult.

Pro-tip: It's not a lack of "acceptance" that leads to transition. People go through therapy before they're allowed to do anything towards transitionin. For most folks who transition, it's a general feeling of dysphoria with the physical parameters of their form. It's more akin to waking up one morning and finding out you're missing a leg or tongue. There are folks who transgress gender norms to varying degrees and find communities of acceptance; they do not transition. A lot of folks who do transition attempt that first, and it doesn't work.

Because there is a whole community of medical and mental health professionals who do make a considerable amount of effort at studying the issue and in fact don't hand out surgery and hormones. In fact, a debate exists within the medical and psychiatric community over whether the process currently in place is too restrictive in that it has in the past held transitioning individuals to unrealistic standards of "normality" they wouldn't apply otherwise to people who are not trans.


Well thanks for the tip. I'll take that to work with me.
 
2012-10-08 02:18:16 AM

tinfoil-hat maggie: sleeps in trees: tinfoil-hat maggie: sleeps in trees: tinfoil-hat maggie: sleeps in trees:
I've often wondered, if we were all accepting, would these operations exist? I mean do the parts matter that much? Or, is it about society's traditional view and treatment of each sex that is what he/she is trying to attain.

I think they would still exist, maybe fewer people would go that far but I think it would happen. People have been using natural hormones for thousands of years to change their gender identity so why not surgery as well?

I just wonder how many? I see too many kids that actually think there is something wrong with them because they don't fit in to our present day norms. Really great kids, smart, mature, compassionate kids that think they are damaged. They would take magic pill if it made them feel like they could fit in. I don't think that truly goes away as an adult.

I'd say most that go through it now and transition is anything but a magic pill. First off imagine how you feel being shot full of testosterone, it's not gonna feel right unless it is, then well for FTM's full mastectomy, how would you feel about that? And for MTF I've heard facial electrolysis is not quit nice because the article got one thing wrong for sure, hormones don't stop facial hair growth unless it's prepuberty. So no magic pill and I don't see how that would be a way to fit in.

Although there is this she took a lot of heat from it from my understanding but I believe it's possible and something that therapist should know.

Huh? I'm saying - which I did not say was a "disorder" - that some of these kids would do anything to fit into society's normal. Sometimes it isn't needed. All they need is acceptance.

As for the author that wrote that article, in my clinical opinion she is a twatwaffle.

Sorry I'm getting tired and didn't catch that. Yes , people need acceptance and it would be nice if there weren't rigid social constructs trying to fit everyone into one or two molds.

I have no opinion on the author of that, I will say she's a trans woman, sites kind of interesting but... oh well it's late and been along day.


Hey, I just like to use the term twatwaffle.
 
2012-10-08 02:22:19 AM

tinfoil-hat maggie: Well, I've got a great therapist now ( I had/have a lot issues) I've been going to her off and on for oh, maybe ten years.


Wouldn't a great therapist have cured you in less than ten years?
 
2012-10-08 02:24:20 AM

sleeps in trees: ColdFusion: sleeps in trees: tinfoil-hat maggie: sleeps in trees:
I've often wondered, if we were all accepting, would these operations exist? I mean do the parts matter that much? Or, is it about society's traditional view and treatment of each sex that is what he/she is trying to attain.

I think they would still exist, maybe fewer people would go that far but I think it would happen. People have been using natural hormones for thousands of years to change their gender identity so why not surgery as well?

I just wonder how many? I see too many kids that actually think there is something wrong with them because they don't fit in to our present day norms. Really great kids, smart, mature, compassionate kids that think they are damaged. They would take magic pill if it made them feel like they could fit in. I don't think that truly goes away as an adult.

Pro-tip: It's not a lack of "acceptance" that leads to transition. People go through therapy before they're allowed to do anything towards transitionin. For most folks who transition, it's a general feeling of dysphoria with the physical parameters of their form. It's more akin to waking up one morning and finding out you're missing a leg or tongue. There are folks who transgress gender norms to varying degrees and find communities of acceptance; they do not transition. A lot of folks who do transition attempt that first, and it doesn't work.

Because there is a whole community of medical and mental health professionals who do make a considerable amount of effort at studying the issue and in fact don't hand out surgery and hormones. In fact, a debate exists within the medical and psychiatric community over whether the process currently in place is too restrictive in that it has in the past held transitioning individuals to unrealistic standards of "normality" they wouldn't apply otherwise to people who are not trans.

Well thanks for the tip. I'll take that to work with me.


No problem. Be sure to bring it up during lunch time, too.

(Sorry if it comes off like I was jumping down your throat or anything. I'm just tired of people, mostly others in this thread besides you, acting like there's a quick and easy "fix" for at least some who transition, that scientists, doctors, psychiatrists and others just haven't thought up over the past century of studying it.)
 
2012-10-08 02:24:47 AM

orbister: tinfoil-hat maggie: Well, I've got a great therapist now ( I had/have a lot issues) I've been going to her off and on for oh, maybe ten years.

Wouldn't a great therapist have cured you in less than ten years?


If a tx says they can cure you, run! It's not about "curing" it's about giving you the tools that you don't have.
 
2012-10-08 02:28:47 AM

orbister: Wouldn't a great therapist have cured you in less than ten years?


Nobody wants to be cured. Everybody wants to be happily broken while making others celebrate their cracks.
 
2012-10-08 02:29:49 AM

ColdFusion: sleeps in trees: ColdFusion: sleeps in trees: tinfoil-hat maggie: sleeps in trees:
I've often wondered, if we were all accepting, would these operations exist? I mean do the parts matter that much? Or, is it about society's traditional view and treatment of each sex that is what he/she is trying to attain.

I think they would still exist, maybe fewer people would go that far but I think it would happen. People have been using natural hormones for thousands of years to change their gender identity so why not surgery as well?

I just wonder how many? I see too many kids that actually think there is something wrong with them because they don't fit in to our present day norms. Really great kids, smart, mature, compassionate kids that think they are damaged. They would take magic pill if it made them feel like they could fit in. I don't think that truly goes away as an adult.

Pro-tip: It's not a lack of "acceptance" that leads to transition. People go through therapy before they're allowed to do anything towards transitionin. For most folks who transition, it's a general feeling of dysphoria with the physical parameters of their form. It's more akin to waking up one morning and finding out you're missing a leg or tongue. There are folks who transgress gender norms to varying degrees and find communities of acceptance; they do not transition. A lot of folks who do transition attempt that first, and it doesn't work.

Because there is a whole community of medical and mental health professionals who do make a considerable amount of effort at studying the issue and in fact don't hand out surgery and hormones. In fact, a debate exists within the medical and psychiatric community over whether the process currently in place is too restrictive in that it has in the past held transitioning individuals to unrealistic standards of "normality" they wouldn't apply otherwise to people who are not trans.

Well thanks for the tip. I'll take that to work with me.

No problem. Be sure to bring it up during lunch time, too.

(Sorry if it comes off like I was jumping down your throat or anything. I'm just tired of people, mostly others in this thread besides you, acting like there's a quick and easy "fix" for at least some who transition, that scientists, doctors, psychiatrists and others just haven't thought up over the past century of studying it.)


Hey, no harm. I'm not saying an easy fix, that is why my thoughts ended in question marks.

Unfortunately using fark as a citation is not universally accepted in my line of work. But, I'll throw it in as a "friend of a friend".
 
2012-10-08 02:41:53 AM

orbister: Ambivalence: Who you're attracted to has nothing to do with gender identity.

Indeed. That's why the idea of LGBT groups is so odd. You might as well include euphonium players in there.


LGBTQIAE

Noted. 

In the future this will be referred to as the L25 community.
 
2012-10-08 04:06:49 AM

sleeps in trees: Hey, no harm. I'm not saying an easy fix, that is why my thoughts ended in question marks.

Unfortunately using fark as a citation is not universally accepted in my line of work. But, I'll throw it in as a "friend of a friend".


Well, before I replied, I did comment with link the prevailing standards directly from the organization that specializes in this sort of thing. Might be more suitable.

And trust me, I understand citations being necessary. Spent a good chunk of this weekend missing some great games while I churned out a Lit Review section for a paper I'm working on. Once I'm done, I don't think I'll ever wanna look at JSTOR or the General Social Survey for a year...
 
2012-10-08 04:18:02 AM

ColdFusion: sleeps in trees: Hey, no harm. I'm not saying an easy fix, that is why my thoughts ended in question marks.

Unfortunately using fark as a citation is not universally accepted in my line of work. But, I'll throw it in as a "friend of a friend".

Well, before I replied, I did comment with link the prevailing standards directly from the organization that specializes in this sort of thing. Might be more suitable.

And trust me, I understand citations being necessary. Spent a good chunk of this weekend missing some great games while I churned out a Lit Review section for a paper I'm working on. Once I'm done, I don't think I'll ever wanna look at JSTOR or the General Social Survey for a year...


No, I was actually serious. You made valid points. I would love to be able to quote people. To give an honest, I mean unabashed, dirty honest opinion.
 
2012-10-08 04:40:44 AM
Just to be kinda logical here, "he" never lost his "tackle".

It was essentially modified surgically to create a vagina, clitoris and vulva.

Kinda hard to reverse the process.

When a person born female undergoes gender re-assignment surgery, the clitoris is released to form a (small) penis and the vulva is used to make a scrotal sack.

/the moreyouknowjpg
 
2012-10-08 05:14:29 AM

sleeps in trees: If a tx says they can cure you, run! It's not about "curing" it's about giving you the tools that you don't have making as much money as possible from you over as many years as possible.


FTFY. Same time next week. That'll be $500, thank you.
 
2012-10-08 05:16:24 AM

ColdFusion: People go through therapy before they're allowed to do anything towards transitionin.


Really? The one person I know who is transitioning seems to have done no more than think "I want to be a woman", bought some hormone pills on the internet and started swallowing.
 
2012-10-08 05:43:38 AM

orbister: sleeps in trees: If a tx says they can cure you, run! It's not about "curing" it's about giving you the tools that you don't have making as much money as possible from you over as many years as possible.

FTFY. Same time next week. That'll be $500, thank you.


Sure, unless you do it pro bono. But hey, it's a big brush. I'm sure you do your job for free. Right?
 
2012-10-08 09:24:02 AM
I like to play dress up as much as the next gal, but I don't need to chop my dork off to feel like a lady. Even Frank N. Furter kept his boy parts intact.
 
2012-10-08 10:01:11 AM
So she wants an addadicktomy?
 
2012-10-08 10:04:14 AM
These people are so farked in the head they can't even decide what sex they want to be. This is what happens when you let people under the influence of a mental illness undergo such pointless procedures. Ah well. Humans are stupid.
 
2012-10-08 10:50:08 AM
Not only is he stupid enough to think you get to pick your sex and can just switch at will, he's also stupid enough to think that taxpayers should have to pay for it every time he changes his mind.
 
2012-10-08 11:15:14 AM
Gives a whole new meaning to the phrase, "buyer's remorse"...
 
2012-10-08 11:17:03 AM

The One True TheDavid: Trangender does not have to equal transsexual. Stand up for your right to be a butch or a sissy. Make the world adapt to you for a change.


It's true that transgender does not have to equal transsexual; however, for many TG people, it does. Whether or not it does is what all those years of therapy and jumping through hoops are meant to find out. However, there's a big difference between a sissy and a M2F transsexual, or a butch and a F2M transsexual. I was going to write a long, possibly entertaining post about my several differently-gendered friends, but instead I'll just say that 23 years ago people were a bit less enlightened about these things, and even now there are plenty of people who don't understand how fluid gender identity can be.

That said, this guy needs to buy a strap-on and get over it, because the chances of his ever having a working penis again are slim to none, and at his age, any surgery could be life-threatening. Even as a commie pinko fan of socialized healthcare, I don't think anyone's entitled to more than one sex change on the public dime.
 
2012-10-08 12:30:10 PM

L.D. Ablo: MattyBlast: Sorry pal, there's no such procedure as an addadicktome.

Sure there is.

Get him a strap-on.


Yeah...and a pair of Lee Press-on Balls.
 
2012-10-08 01:18:49 PM
Sorry Gramps--once it's gone it's gone

Just like the SS trust fund.
 
2012-10-08 02:22:20 PM

sleeps in trees: Sure, unless you do it pro bono. But hey, it's a big brush. I'm sure you do your job for free. Right?


My job is not one in which we claim that no legitimate practitioner is ever successful. It's only therapists who claim that an indefinitely continued need for their services is a satisfactory outcome.
 
2012-10-08 02:32:40 PM

orbister: sleeps in trees: Sure, unless you do it pro bono. But hey, it's a big brush. I'm sure you do your job for free. Right?

My job is not one in which we claim that no legitimate practitioner is ever successful. It's only therapists who claim that an indefinitely continued need for their services is a satisfactory outcome.


I have no idea where you get this.
 
2012-10-08 02:52:35 PM
fandomania.com

/now not so disappointed
 
2012-10-08 09:38:35 PM
ColdFusion:

Because there is a whole community of medical and mental health professionals who do make a considerable amount of effort at studying the issue and in fact don't hand out surgery and hormones.

Right, they don't hand them out. They charge money for them, and for the consultation, and the counseling, and....


In fact, a debate exists within the medical and psychiatric community over whether the process currently in place is too restrictive in that it has in the past held transitioning individuals to unrealistic standards of "normality" they wouldn't apply otherwise to people who are not trans.

So in other words they want to make it easier for people who are even more lacking in reality testing to "transition."

Gotcha. "It's all about the Benjamins." 

I doubt many "helping professionals" who specialize in "trans" people are going to tell many potential customers "You're not transsexual, you're just farked in the head."

Dentists will tell me when I don't have any cavities and my gum disease is improving, that's objectively verifiable. But I've never once had a shrink tell me I'm not mentally ill and don't need his/her services.

Caveat emptor.
 
2012-10-08 09:42:24 PM
Bashar and Asma's Infinite Playlist:

I want to prevent those children who are truly born into different bodies

Huh? You're born into the body you're born into.

from suffering the stigma of looking like a trans, instead letting them get help pre-puberty.

Right. Let a 9 year old make that decision. Or let his mommy make it for him and convince him it's his idea. Uh-huh.
 
2012-10-08 09:46:23 PM
sleeps in trees:


orbister: sleeps in trees: Sure, unless you do it pro bono. But hey, it's a big brush. I'm sure you do your job for free. Right?

My job is not one in which we claim that no legitimate practitioner is ever successful. It's only therapists who claim that an indefinitely continued need for their services is a satisfactory outcome.

I have no idea where you get this.


Maybe from seeing a few "therapists?"
 
2012-10-08 10:54:50 PM

The One True TheDavid: I doubt many "helping professionals" who specialize in "trans" people are going to tell many potential customers "You're not transsexual, you're just farked in the head."

Dentists will tell me when I don't have any cavities and my gum disease is improving, that's objectively verifiable. But I've never once had a shrink tell me I'm not mentally ill and don't need his/her services.

Caveat emptor.


Well, if he was in the US, he could sue the doctor for malpractice.
 
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