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2012-10-07 11:00:16 PM  

Silverstaff: I had a transgendered friend back in college who transitioned from male to female.

She had to go through so much to do it, to make absolutely sure that there was no chance of going back. Years of meetings with a therapist, living full time as a woman for years, basically having to justify it to multiple medical/mental health professionals and jump through a series of hoops meant to make sure you were content with it being a one-way trip.


And yet, you know what? They still haven't actually developed any means to, you know, actually determine how people will feel in the future.
 
2012-10-07 11:00:59 PM  

RoyBatty: Bashar and Asma's Infinite Playlist: Well for one thing they'd have to go through a rigorous medical and psychological evaluation

Again, I am left wondering if people have different experiences and expectations of psychologists than I.


You know you can shop around, well unless you're in a mental institution :)
 
2012-10-07 11:02:01 PM  

RoyBatty: Bashar and Asma's Infinite Playlist: Well for one thing they'd have to go through a rigorous medical and psychological evaluation

Again, I am left wondering if people have different experiences and expectations of psychologists than I.


Well I did raise earlier as my major concern the fact that such a medical standard would be difficult to set and enforce. I think there is one out there that can help children become the people they were wired to be, but I'd hate to be the guy writing up the criteria.
 
2012-10-07 11:02:11 PM  

RealAmericanHero: The One True TheDavid:

Trangender does not have to equal transsexual. Stand up for your right to be a butch or a sissy. Make the world adapt to you for a change.

Being a sissy man does not at all correlate to being a female. It may make sense to you but to a transgender person it makes absolutely none.


That's because I'm not mentally ill and/or brain damaged enough to consider having my genitals permanantly re-arranged.

I was quite a swishy queen as a teenager and thought I might be a transsexual. Luckily I decided to keep on being a swishy queen instead of doing anything irreversible. Then I grew out of that.

Now people who haven't known me for a while have a hard time believing that: I'm too "straight-looking & -acting" these days, let alone womanly enough to dress up in public.

Tell me all about gender and sex. From my own personal experience I say they don't have to coincide. Do you disagree?

And you're right, it's not the same. In fact, a sissy man will never be a real woman, regardless of what mutilations s/he pays for. It's better to make the most of what you're born with instead.

In my humble opinion. Which nobody with that particular mental malfunction will ever listen to anyway.
 
2012-10-07 11:03:25 PM  

The One True TheDavid: doglover:

Humans cannot do a sex swap yet. It's just beyond our technical capacity.

If you are transgendered and confused, that's okay. Find yourself and come to grips with it. But be warned: if you actually go through with some kind of genital changing operations, there's no going back. EVER.

This is why I say live and dress as you feel, even take hormones, but don't have "sex-change" surgery. It's better to have some "non-fitting" parts than to have them removed and then regret it later.

Besides which, however you feel inside, once you get over say 16 most men make lousy-looking "women." Seriously. Having spent several of my formative years as a queer in the Francisco Bay area means I can almost always tell who wasn't born a woman if they decided to "transition" after they were old enough to vote. Sorry, but the vast majority of you will always be seen by anybody who knows what to look for as transsexuals, not women, regardless of which pronoun we use for you. (And the same goes for Thai ladyboys, by the way.)

Trangender does not have to equal transsexual. Stand up for your right to be a butch or a sissy. Make the world adapt to you for a change.


Remind me to take you with me on any trips to Thailand
 
2012-10-07 11:05:43 PM  

Verzio: And yet, you know what? They still haven't actually developed any means to, you know, actually determine how people will feel in the future.


If you undergo something permanent, you oughta be man enough to commit to it, even if you're a woman.

There's no going back from many things.
 
2012-10-07 11:07:21 PM  

UncleStumpy: cman


Why is that?
 
2012-10-07 11:08:49 PM  
sleeps in trees:

The operation fulfilled his wish to be a woman.

No, the operation fulfilled his wish to try and fail to become a woman. Which anyway was impossible the moment he developed into an XY fetus.

I used to want to look just like Michael Jackson back when he was black. Too bad for him he put himself through all that surgery to look more like me instead.

Some things are given: accept them and make the most of it.
 
2012-10-07 11:09:29 PM  

machoprogrammer: The One True TheDavid: doglover:

Humans cannot do a sex swap yet. It's just beyond our technical capacity.

If you are transgendered and confused, that's okay. Find yourself and come to grips with it. But be warned: if you actually go through with some kind of genital changing operations, there's no going back. EVER.

This is why I say live and dress as you feel, even take hormones, but don't have "sex-change" surgery. It's better to have some "non-fitting" parts than to have them removed and then regret it later.

Besides which, however you feel inside, once you get over say 16 most men make lousy-looking "women." Seriously. Having spent several of my formative years as a queer in the Francisco Bay area means I can almost always tell who wasn't born a woman if they decided to "transition" after they were old enough to vote. Sorry, but the vast majority of you will always be seen by anybody who knows what to look for as transsexuals, not women, regardless of which pronoun we use for you. (And the same goes for Thai ladyboys, by the way.)

Trangender does not have to equal transsexual. Stand up for your right to be a butch or a sissy. Make the world adapt to you for a change.

Remind me to take you with me on any trips to Thailand


Here's an easy rule for Thailand. Treat anyone like a fruit vendor: If she's got an apple, she's got a banana.
 
2012-10-07 11:10:56 PM  
To me, the takeaway from this article is that I'm totally gonna use the term "tackle" for my junk at some point.
 
2012-10-07 11:13:35 PM  

The One True TheDavid: sleeps in trees:

The operation fulfilled his wish to be a woman.

No, the operation fulfilled his wish to try and fail to become a woman. Which anyway was impossible the moment he developed into an XY fetus.

I used to want to look just like Michael Jackson back when he was black. Too bad for him he put himself through all that surgery to look more like me instead.

Some things are given: accept them and make the most of it.


So become straight, it's more acceptable in our culture.
/Would you? Why, why not?
 
2012-10-07 11:15:27 PM  
Not many pics in this thread.

That is perfectly OK by me.
 
2012-10-07 11:18:59 PM  

tinfoil-hat maggie: RoyBatty: Bashar and Asma's Infinite Playlist: Well for one thing they'd have to go through a rigorous medical and psychological evaluation

Again, I am left wondering if people have different experiences and expectations of psychologists than I.

You know you can shop around, well unless you're in a mental institution :)


That's actually an interesting question for me.

I am curious when people test out new therapists, how long do they test drive them for? I've met many who seem reasonable, who I have openly discussed my concerns about therapists with, and yet, where I will go for quite a few sessions before realizing this person is far more screwed up than I.

So do people go for 1 session, 2, than they're gone, or for a month or so?

Anyway, since the mid 90s, and pushed by my wife (ex), and mostly relating to marriage [or divorce] I've probably seen on my own, half a dozen, and no, none of them have been very good for me, and some have been downright abusive of me. Add another half dozen that *we* met in marriage therapy and I am almost up to a reasonably sized sample set that informs me that people that have high expectations of rigorous testing from psychologists truly live in a different universe than mine.
 
2012-10-07 11:19:00 PM  

sleeps in trees:

I also feel for the guy but, he made his bed. That being said, I think the poor dude has issues in the noggin that have not been addressed. Apart from the obvious there are some huge tells like the idea that doing "female" things ie: yoga, will make him feel feel womanly. If that is how it works then I'm a man..


Yea, and how this person could contemplate having that kind of surgery while liking women and then saying "I was forced to live as a lesbian", WTF?
/Maybe he should Batboy
 
2012-10-07 11:20:02 PM  

SirHolo: Not many pics in this thread.


i.qkme.me
 
2012-10-07 11:22:51 PM  

Krymson Tyde: [i232.photobucket.com image 300x450]
Looks like David Attenbourough and Steve Buscemi got together and had an older man.


He's not a bad-looking fellow for an old guy, but sorry, you can just forget about sticking your dick in anything for the rest of your life.

jtown: Maybe he'd feel better if someone explained to him that, even if he still had his original equipment, it probably wouldn't work very well at his age.


That too. It sounds like maybe this man has more problems than just not knowing which sex he is.  How in the world did he get through a psych eval? They had to have given him some kind of counseling.
 
2012-10-07 11:27:43 PM  
What a dildon't.
 
2012-10-07 11:28:34 PM  
Not on my dime, thank you.
 
2012-10-07 11:30:33 PM  

RoyBatty: tinfoil-hat maggie: RoyBatty: Bashar and Asma's Infinite Playlist: Well for one thing they'd have to go through a rigorous medical and psychological evaluation

Again, I am left wondering if people have different experiences and expectations of psychologists than I.

You know you can shop around, well unless you're in a mental institution :)

That's actually an interesting question for me.

I am curious when people test out new therapists, how long do they test drive them for? I've met many who seem reasonable, who I have openly discussed my concerns about therapists with, and yet, where I will go for quite a few sessions before realizing this person is far more screwed up than I.

So do people go for 1 session, 2, than they're gone, or for a month or so?

Anyway, since the mid 90s, and pushed by my wife (ex), and mostly relating to marriage [or divorce] I've probably seen on my own, half a dozen, and no, none of them have been very good for me, and some have been downright abusive of me. Add another half dozen that *we* met in marriage therapy and I am almost up to a reasonably sized sample set that informs me that people that have high expectations of rigorous testing from psychologists truly live in a different universe than mine.


Well, I've got a great therapist now ( I had/have a lot issues) I've been going to her off and on for oh, maybe ten years. It took me along time (many years ) to find one I sorta clicked with and she understood where I was coming from and I felt I could work with her. I went through many therapist before that and I'd fire them after going a few times becuase either they were more messed up than I was or we didn't relate, it's sorta like dating but you don't end up farking you're therapist.
/Well, unless they're not a good one :)
 
2012-10-07 11:31:19 PM  

JohnAnnArbor: No deposit, no return.


Oh, there was a deposit all right. In fact, it's the deposit that he's trying to get back.
 
2012-10-07 11:39:20 PM  

God-is-a-Taco: The One True TheDavid:

So where's my farking pity party? Who speaks up for my kind around here? It's obvious to me that I won't die of "natural causes"; while you're slopping love around on people whose brains don't work right you could squirt a bit in my direction.

Sheesh.

I've read about the rift between the LGB towards the T but this is the first time I've seen it "in person".


I'm sorry but what does my being a loony tune have to do with the gay community? Most gay people are saner than me, and I can prove it.


It's not a competition. You can champion gay rights and transgendered/sexual rights at the same time.

You're right, there is no competition: I champion those rights that make sense to me. Who says I have to support everything on your little list? Don't I get the right to be an individual with opinions of my own?

As for the other, put it this way: I can imagine what it must feel like to be a pedophile and I'm pretty sure it sucks; furthermore I say that if people can be born straight or gay then people can be born pedophiles as well. So should I champion the right of Uncle Ernie to fiddle about with 5 year olds, or should I use my empathy and compassion to help him deal with a temptation he should never act out?

And no, I didn't just equate transsexuals with pedophiles: adults should be allowed to have whatever operation they or their insurance will pay for. Even if you wind up like that poor whatever in the article.

Uncle Ernie OTOH is simply SOL.
 
2012-10-07 11:40:11 PM  

tinfoil-hat maggie: I went through many therapist before that and I'd fire them after going a few times becuase either they were more messed up than I was or we didn't relate, it's sorta like dating but you don't end up farking you're therapist.


Had a marriage therapist -- never sure he was any good as a therapist but he would be a great friend. Anyway, he took me aside one day and told me my wife wanted to sleep with him.

Looking back on it now, I probably should have given that the greenlite. (I don't think he was all that interested in losing his license regardless of my greenlite, and I think he had seen my wife or similar enough times before.)
 
2012-10-07 11:44:06 PM  

RoyBatty: Had a marriage therapist -- never sure he was any good as a therapist but he would be a great friend. Anyway, he took me aside one day and told me my wife wanted to sleep with him.

Looking back on it now, I probably should have given that the greenlite. (I don't think he was all that interested in losing his license regardless of my greenlite, and I think he had seen my wife or similar enough times before.)


Back alley Rub-n-Tug?
 
2012-10-07 11:44:35 PM  

sleeps in trees: The One True TheDavid: sleeps in trees:

The operation fulfilled his wish to be a woman.

No, the operation fulfilled his wish to try and fail to become a woman. Which anyway was impossible the moment he developed into an XY fetus.

I used to want to look just like Michael Jackson back when he was black. Too bad for him he put himself through all that surgery to look more like me instead.

Some things are given: accept them and make the most of it.

I think you missed my point.


I don't. It's just that I didn't echo it, instead I used it for my own purpose.

But then now I'm more than half-drunk so YMMV.
 
2012-10-07 11:44:58 PM  

RoyBatty: tinfoil-hat maggie: I went through many therapist before that and I'd fire them after going a few times becuase either they were more messed up than I was or we didn't relate, it's sorta like dating but you don't end up farking you're therapist.

Had a marriage therapist -- never sure he was any good as a therapist but he would be a great friend. Anyway, he took me aside one day and told me my wife wanted to sleep with him.

Looking back on it now, I probably should have given that the greenlite. (I don't think he was all that interested in losing his license regardless of my greenlite, and I think he had seen my wife or similar enough times before.)


You should have fired him then gone for a three-some :)
/Best thing to do with a failing relationship ;P
 
2012-10-07 11:51:10 PM  

sleeps in trees: tinfoil-hat maggie: sleeps in trees:

I also feel for the guy but, he made his bed. That being said, I think the poor dude has issues in the noggin that have not been addressed. Apart from the obvious there are some huge tells like the idea that doing "female" things ie: yoga, will make him feel feel womanly. If that is how it works then I'm a man..

Yea, and how this person could contemplate having that kind of surgery while liking women and then saying "I was forced to live as a lesbian", WTF?
/Maybe he should Batboy

Not knowing the case I would go with body dismorphia. Unfortunately that was not a term readily used at the time he made his decision.


I don't see a major difference between "body dysmorphia" and "transsexuality." Rather I see the latter in many cases as a subset of the former, for those who say "This part doesn't really belong on me."
 
2012-10-07 11:55:35 PM  

The One True TheDavid: sleeps in trees: tinfoil-hat maggie: sleeps in trees:

I also feel for the guy but, he made his bed. That being said, I think the poor dude has issues in the noggin that have not been addressed. Apart from the obvious there are some huge tells like the idea that doing "female" things ie: yoga, will make him feel feel womanly. If that is how it works then I'm a man..

Yea, and how this person could contemplate having that kind of surgery while liking women and then saying "I was forced to live as a lesbian", WTF?
/Maybe he should Batboy

Not knowing the case I would go with body dismorphia. Unfortunately that was not a term readily used at the time he made his decision.

I don't see a major difference between "body dysmorphia" and "transsexuality." Rather I see the latter in many cases as a subset of the former, for those who say "This part doesn't really belong on me."


But would you deny that for certain people in certain situations, the best that could happen to them would be a complete, irreversible sex change?
 
2012-10-07 11:56:45 PM  

cman: I wonder if the people who gave him a sex change did a psych exam. That could have helped determine whether or not he would have been mentally fit to make such a discussion. From what I know of transgendered folk, when they have that surgery they 100% of the time keep it.

It is posible that his transgenderism came from mental illness, unlike the most common cause of genetics.

/Transgendered are the least represented in the LGBT group
//They need more people speaking up for them
///They are more likely to kill themselves, they need our love


23 years ago, he may not have gotten a psych eval. Nowadays you definitely do.

I would like to point out that there are some corners of the Internet where the "T" is LGBT has more e-power than the other three letters. Reddit, for example, has an extraordinarily strong trans* community. So much so that some LGBT subreddits have been completely subsumed by trans* issues and LGB folks have had to move elsewhere.
 
2012-10-07 11:57:29 PM  

ShobuZukuri: [ekonefe.files.wordpress.com image 325x326]

Mess with mother nature and this is what you get.


A picture is worth a 1000 words, this one just two: "sweet dreams."
 
2012-10-07 11:57:49 PM  

sleeps in trees: tinfoil-hat maggie: sleeps in trees:

I also feel for the guy but, he made his bed. That being said, I think the poor dude has issues in the noggin that have not been addressed. Apart from the obvious there are some huge tells like the idea that doing "female" things ie: yoga, will make him feel feel womanly. If that is how it works then I'm a man..

Yea, and how this person could contemplate having that kind of surgery while liking women and then saying "I was forced to live as a lesbian", WTF?
/Maybe he should Batboy

Not knowing the case I would go with body dismorphia. Unfortunately that was not a term readily used at the time he made his decision.


Well, the article says 23 years ago it wasn't exactly the dark ages and he was a "secret" cross-dresser. I'm thinking he's just an idiot that thought that that's not right or normal and went through with something that was totally wrong for him trying to be "normal". This is why it's important to accept everyone as they are and wanna be. If he had felt comfortable just cross-dressing that's what he should have stuck with.
/And I use he because that seems to be how he identifies.
 
2012-10-08 12:00:25 AM  

The One True TheDavid: sleeps in trees: tinfoil-hat maggie: sleeps in trees:

I also feel for the guy but, he made his bed. That being said, I think the poor dude has issues in the noggin that have not been addressed. Apart from the obvious there are some huge tells like the idea that doing "female" things ie: yoga, will make him feel feel womanly. If that is how it works then I'm a man..

Yea, and how this person could contemplate having that kind of surgery while liking women and then saying "I was forced to live as a lesbian", WTF?
/Maybe he should Batboy

Not knowing the case I would go with body dismorphia. Unfortunately that was not a term readily used at the time he made his decision.

I don't see a major difference between "body dysmorphia" and "transsexuality." Rather I see the latter in many cases as a subset of the former, for those who say "This part doesn't really belong on me."


You've said here you're gay. Why can't you be straight? You still haven't answered me :)
 
2012-10-08 12:06:20 AM  

tinfoil-hat maggie: You should have fired him then gone for a three-some :)
/Best thing to do with a failing relationship ;P


Perhaps not a bad idea.
 
2012-10-08 12:09:48 AM  

sleeps in trees: Bashar and Asma's Infinite Playlist: The One True TheDavid: sleeps in trees: tinfoil-hat maggie: sleeps in trees:

I also feel for the guy but, he made his bed. That being said, I think the poor dude has issues in the noggin that have not been addressed. Apart from the obvious there are some huge tells like the idea that doing "female" things ie: yoga, will make him feel feel womanly. If that is how it works then I'm a man..

Yea, and how this person could contemplate having that kind of surgery while liking women and then saying "I was forced to live as a lesbian", WTF?
/Maybe he should Batboy

Not knowing the case I would go with body dismorphia. Unfortunately that was not a term readily used at the time he made his decision.

I don't see a major difference between "body dysmorphia" and "transsexuality." Rather I see the latter in many cases as a subset of the former, for those who say "This part doesn't really belong on me."

But would you deny that for certain people in certain situations, the best that could happen to them would be a complete, irreversible sex change?

Sorry, I don't understand your question.


I think we're just coming at the problem from a different angle. I want to prevent those children who are truly born into different bodies from suffering the stigma of looking like a trans, instead letting them get help pre-puberty. You are arguing for the case of "What if they change their mind?" I accept that certain people in certain circumstances will change their minds. Do you believe that certain people in certain circumstances will never change their minds?
 
2012-10-08 12:14:19 AM  
Bashar and Asma's Infinite Playlist asked me:

But would you deny that for certain people in certain situations, the best that could happen to them would be a complete, irreversible sex change?

I'd hate to meet somebody in that certain situation. That sounds pretty farked up indeed.

And for that matter, every time I leave home I see people for whom the best thing that could happen would be a rifled slug to the back of the head.

So what's your point?
 
2012-10-08 12:16:15 AM  
FTA: "I date women but once they find out I have a female body it always ends."

Ummm... you don't have a female body; you have a mutilated male body.
 
2012-10-08 12:20:11 AM  
"I date women but once they find out I have a female body it always ends."

upload.wikimedia.org
 
2012-10-08 12:21:25 AM  

sleeps in trees: tinfoil-hat maggie: sleeps in trees: tinfoil-hat maggie: sleeps in trees:

I also feel for the guy but, he made his bed. That being said, I think the poor dude has issues in the noggin that have not been addressed. Apart from the obvious there are some huge tells like the idea that doing "female" things ie: yoga, will make him feel feel womanly. If that is how it works then I'm a man..

Yea, and how this person could contemplate having that kind of surgery while liking women and then saying "I was forced to live as a lesbian", WTF?
/Maybe he should Batboy

Not knowing the case I would go with body dismorphia. Unfortunately that was not a term readily used at the time he made his decision.

Well, the article says 23 years ago it wasn't exactly the dark ages and he was a "secret" cross-dresser. I'm thinking he's just an idiot that thought that that's not right or normal and went through with something that was totally wrong for him trying to be "normal". This is why it's important to accept everyone as they are and wanna be. If he had felt comfortable just cross-dressing that's what he should have stuck with.
/And I use he because that seems to be how he identifies.

Valid. I suppose we both have the same idea. Regardless of what/who he is it really has nothing to do with gender. It has to do with his self acceptance.


Yep, that really is the thing, everyone has to accept themselves no matter who they are and I really do hope society continues to move in a direction where that gets easier.
 
2012-10-08 12:22:24 AM  

RoyBatty: tinfoil-hat maggie: You should have fired him then gone for a three-some :)
/Best thing to do with a failing relationship ;P

Perhaps not a bad idea.


If nothing else it can be fun ;)
 
2012-10-08 12:22:38 AM  

sleeps in trees: Bashar and Asma's Infinite Playlist: sleeps in trees: Bashar and Asma's Infinite Playlist: The One True TheDavid: sleeps in trees: tinfoil-hat maggie: sleeps in trees:

I also feel for the guy but, he made his bed. That being said, I think the poor dude has issues in the noggin that have not been addressed. Apart from the obvious there are some huge tells like the idea that doing "female" things ie: yoga, will make him feel feel womanly. If that is how it works then I'm a man..

Yea, and how this person could contemplate having that kind of surgery while liking women and then saying "I was forced to live as a lesbian", WTF?
/Maybe he should Batboy

Not knowing the case I would go with body dismorphia. Unfortunately that was not a term readily used at the time he made his decision.

I don't see a major difference between "body dysmorphia" and "transsexuality." Rather I see the latter in many cases as a subset of the former, for those who say "This part doesn't really belong on me."

But would you deny that for certain people in certain situations, the best that could happen to them would be a complete, irreversible sex change?

Sorry, I don't understand your question.

I think we're just coming at the problem from a different angle. I want to prevent those children who are truly born into different bodies from suffering the stigma of looking like a trans, instead letting them get help pre-puberty. You are arguing for the case of "What if they change their mind?" I accept that certain people in certain circumstances will change their minds. Do you believe that certain people in certain circumstances will never change their minds?

I've never argued your point. Nor did I argue "what if they change their mind". Each person is an individual. This gentleman was poorly counselled, in my opinion. Mind you 23 years ago there wasn't the openness regarding sexuality there is now.

That being said, he has every right to do what he wants with his body. I'm great with paying for it... the first time. After that it is on his dime. As I said before, the article (although sensational) is about him wanting it payed for by the general public - again.


That's fine. I wouldn't want to pay for the reversal either. I'm on my phone and it's difficult to follow the thread, so I may be making an ideological stand where none is warranted, since I have to quote two-thousand words in order to respond.
 
2012-10-08 12:23:09 AM  

Britney Spear's Speculum: "I date women but once they find out I have a female body it always ends."

[upload.wikimedia.org image 500x1203]


Wow, just wow :)
 
2012-10-08 12:33:16 AM  

Britney Spear's Speculum: "I date women but once they find out I have a female body it always ends."

[upload.wikimedia.org image 500x1203]


Sir, I don't see any modifications there.
 
2012-10-08 12:53:06 AM  

God-is-a-Taco: Sir, I don't see any modifications there.


It was brown, it's now white.
 
2012-10-08 12:55:21 AM  

sleeps in trees:
I've often wondered, if we were all accepting, would these operations exist? I mean do the parts matter that much? Or, is it about society's traditional view and treatment of each sex that is what he/she is trying to attain.


I think they would still exist, maybe fewer people would go that far but I think it would happen. People have been using natural hormones for thousands of years to change their gender identity so why not surgery as well?
 
2012-10-08 01:07:01 AM  

The One True TheDavid: So do people who hear voices telling them to kill themselves and so on, like I have every day since Feb. 16, 1992.


Dude, you really need to get some different roommates.



/sympathetic, just being a wise@ss
 
2012-10-08 01:12:25 AM  
Its easier to make a hole than a pole. Buy a strap on and STFU.
 
2012-10-08 01:35:13 AM  

MacEnvy: 23 years ago, he may not have gotten a psych eval.


Um, yeah, he would have; indeed, it's much easier to shop around for loosened psych standards nowadays than back then.

The thing is, psych evals have all the scientific rigor and predictive power of a horoscope or reading entrails.
 
2012-10-08 01:35:15 AM  

MattyBlast: Sorry pal, there's no such procedure as an addadicktome.


Accccutalllllyyyy... There are phalloplasties.

/Also metoidoplasties, but they would not work in this case.
 
2012-10-08 01:39:32 AM  

doglover: Humans cannot do a sex swap yet. It's just beyond our technical capacity.

If you are transgendered and confused, that's okay. Find yourself and come to grips with it. But be warned: if you actually go through with some kind of genital changing operations, there's no going back. EVER.


Wow, really? Interesting. You'd think that there'd be a whole community of medical and mental health professionals out there, who study this subject and might be there to help these folks, right? And then have them go through complicated and expensive therapy sessions, sometimes for years before allowing them to do anything permanent. After that, they might even have them go through hormone replacement therapy for a year or two, often while living in the gender role to which they intend to be, to make sure they know what they're getting into and such.

Might even require a couple psychiatrists to compose letters which confirm that they've evaluated the person and that the person has gone through a whole battery of tests, therapy and such in order to get the surgery done. Wow, if only there existed such standards, and if only such a medical and mental health community filled with such professionals existed.

Oh well, I guess such a thing is a far-off dream, and we'll have to live in this reality where transitioning from one gender to the other takes about 15 minutes, a whim and a small bit of pocket change, right?
 
2012-10-08 01:49:08 AM  

sleeps in trees: tinfoil-hat maggie: sleeps in trees:
I've often wondered, if we were all accepting, would these operations exist? I mean do the parts matter that much? Or, is it about society's traditional view and treatment of each sex that is what he/she is trying to attain.

I think they would still exist, maybe fewer people would go that far but I think it would happen. People have been using natural hormones for thousands of years to change their gender identity so why not surgery as well?

I just wonder how many? I see too many kids that actually think there is something wrong with them because they don't fit in to our present day norms. Really great kids, smart, mature, compassionate kids that think they are damaged. They would take magic pill if it made them feel like they could fit in. I don't think that truly goes away as an adult.


I'd say most that go through it now and transition is anything but a magic pill. First off imagine how you feel being shot full of testosterone, it's not gonna feel right unless it is, then well for FTM's full mastectomy, how would you feel about that? And for MTF I've heard facial electrolysis is not quit nice because the article got one thing wrong for sure, hormones don't stop facial hair growth unless it's prepuberty. So no magic pill and I don't see how that would be a way to fit in.

Although there is this she took a lot of heat from it from my understanding but I believe it's possible and something that therapist should know.
 
2012-10-08 02:10:47 AM  

sleeps in trees: tinfoil-hat maggie: sleeps in trees:
I've often wondered, if we were all accepting, would these operations exist? I mean do the parts matter that much? Or, is it about society's traditional view and treatment of each sex that is what he/she is trying to attain.

I think they would still exist, maybe fewer people would go that far but I think it would happen. People have been using natural hormones for thousands of years to change their gender identity so why not surgery as well?

I just wonder how many? I see too many kids that actually think there is something wrong with them because they don't fit in to our present day norms. Really great kids, smart, mature, compassionate kids that think they are damaged. They would take magic pill if it made them feel like they could fit in. I don't think that truly goes away as an adult.


Pro-tip: It's not a lack of "acceptance" that leads to transition. People go through therapy before they're allowed to do anything towards transitionin. For most folks who transition, it's a general feeling of dysphoria with the physical parameters of their form. It's more akin to waking up one morning and finding out you're missing a leg or tongue. There are folks who transgress gender norms to varying degrees and find communities of acceptance; they do not transition. A lot of folks who do transition attempt that first, and it doesn't work.

Because there is a whole community of medical and mental health professionals who do make a considerable amount of effort at studying the issue and in fact don't hand out surgery and hormones. In fact, a debate exists within the medical and psychiatric community over whether the process currently in place is too restrictive in that it has in the past held transitioning individuals to unrealistic standards of "normality" they wouldn't apply otherwise to people who are not trans.
 
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