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(TaxProf)   1,400 pastors tell the IRS today to 'Go to Hell'   (taxprof.typepad.com) divider line 409
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2012-10-07 04:14:09 PM
and !4 bazillion people stay away from those churches today.
 
2012-10-07 04:22:30 PM
some days it's hard enough to sit there and listen to sermons that I don't agree with. I certainly don't want to listen to someone spout off their political beliefs as being sent from God
 
2012-10-07 04:22:55 PM
You don't challenge the IRS like that. They caught Al Capone, Ni*on and other criminals of that ilk. Don't think they won't go after Reverend Billy Bob.
 
2012-10-07 04:24:40 PM
I wish Christians/Conservatives would just stop beating around the bush and let everyone know that they just want the US to effectively have a theocracy like Iran.
 
2012-10-07 04:25:07 PM
The sad part is, there are too many servile f*ckwits in the country for anyone to take them on. By law, the IRS shoulde revoke their tax-exempt status for campaigning. But churches seem to get a pass on just about anything they damn well please.

Tax churches like any other business.
 
2012-10-07 04:25:49 PM

mrshowrules: I wish Christians/Conservatives would just stop beating around the bush and let everyone know that they just want the US to effectively have a theocracy like Iran.


Not like Iran! We have a totally different prophet telling us essentially the same thing about the same god, which means we hate each other so much we need to kill each other! Duh.
 
2012-10-07 04:26:32 PM
Tax every single one of those churches without exemptions.
 
2012-10-07 04:35:26 PM
Wanna be a sanctuary from the world, preach words of confort and salvation all contributing to the well being of the community and the world?

Enjoy your tax-free status.

Want to instill dogmatic absolutisms while telling your congregation that in order to stay true to said dogmatics that they need to vote in your preferred partisan manner?

Welcome to the tax base.
 
2012-10-07 04:41:45 PM

DeArmondVI: Wanna be a sanctuary from the world, preach words of confort and salvation all contributing to the well being of the community and the world?

Enjoy your tax-free status.

Want to instill dogmatic absolutisms while telling your congregation that in order to stay true to said dogmatics that they need to vote in your preferred partisan manner?

Welcome to the tax base.


Aren't Church employees/preachers taxed on their salaries already?
 
2012-10-07 04:45:21 PM

teto85: You don't challenge the IRS like that. They caught Al Capone, Ni*on and other criminals of that ilk. Don't think they won't go after Reverend Billy Bob.


Why do you have an aversion to typing "Nixon?"
 
2012-10-07 04:48:28 PM
IRS agents go to church, too, ya know
 
2012-10-07 04:48:36 PM

teto85: You don't challenge the IRS like that. They caught Al Capone, Ni*on and other criminals of that ilk. Don't think they won't go after Reverend Billy Bob.


never happen, at least not in an election year. Giving republicans ammunition like that would hand a lot of state and federal elecctions to them on a silver platter as they scream about gubbmit messing with their freedumbs..
 
2012-10-07 04:51:23 PM

GAT_00: Tax every single one of those churches without exemptions.


The're doing this right before the election for a reason. If the IRS goes after them now, they can scream that "WAAAAaaa Fartbongo's jackbooted thugs are waging a war on religion!!!" That will increase the turnout of the knuckle-draggers who would otherwise stay home rather than vote for a Mormon. It's win-win for them.
 
2012-10-07 04:51:45 PM
this situation has to be quite a difficult quandary for right wing authoritarians. on one hand, they're ideology says that anything anyone does to oppose Obama is good and noble and should be supported....but on the other hand, their authoritarian beliefs say that anyone who breaks the law for any reason MUST be crushed and/or smashed into atoms - NOBODY breaks the law, ever.

secular authoritarians, of course, will just say smash these pastors into the ground and not experience any sort of qualms about it whatsoever.
 
2012-10-07 04:52:38 PM

GAT_00: Tax every single one of those churches without exemptions.


I'm not sure what the end result of this action will be...but stripping tax exemptions from these churches would seem to be the least of their punishments.
 
2012-10-07 04:53:43 PM
IRS wont touch the church. Never have. Never will.

They have too many shared interests.
 
2012-10-07 04:54:05 PM

Benevolent Misanthrope: The sad part is, there are too many servile f*ckwits in the country for anyone to take them on. By law, the IRS shoulde revoke their tax-exempt status for campaigning. But churches seem to get a pass on just about anything they damn well please.

Tax churches like any other business.


The second they do, a certain cable news network will start screaming WAR ON CHRISTIANITY!!! 24 hours a day.
 
2012-10-07 04:54:15 PM

Weaver95: but on the other hand, their authoritarian beliefs say that anyone who breaks the law for any reason MUST be crushed and/or smashed into atoms - NOBODY breaks the law, ever.


they can probably justify it in their minds as not breaking the law
 
2012-10-07 04:58:07 PM

Sgt Otter: Benevolent Misanthrope: The sad part is, there are too many servile f*ckwits in the country for anyone to take them on. By law, the IRS shoulde revoke their tax-exempt status for campaigning. But churches seem to get a pass on just about anything they damn well please.

Tax churches like any other business.

The second they do, a certain cable news network will start screaming WAR ON CHRISTIANITY!!! 24 hours a day.


If only. I'd gladly man the guns in that shiat.
 
2012-10-07 04:58:52 PM

FloydA: GAT_00: Tax every single one of those churches without exemptions.

The're doing this right before the election for a reason. If the IRS goes after them now, they can scream that "WAAAAaaa Fartbongo's jackbooted thugs are waging a war on religion!!!" That will increase the turnout of the knuckle-draggers who would otherwise stay home rather than vote for a Mormon. It's win-win for them.


Winner.
 
2012-10-07 04:59:43 PM

Weaver95: GAT_00: Tax every single one of those churches without exemptions.

I'm not sure what the end result of this action will be...but stripping tax exemptions from these churches would seem to be the least of their punishments.


The chain reaction of backlashing mouthfrothing verbal fecality would make taxing those churches a poor punishment in every way.
 
2012-10-07 05:01:02 PM

TwistedIvory: teto85: You don't challenge the IRS like that. They caught Al Capone, Ni*on and other criminals of that ilk. Don't think they won't go after Reverend Billy Bob.

Why do you have an aversion to typing "Nixon?"


Because like Re*gan, Stal*n, Hi*ler and motherf*cker that is a swear word.
 
2012-10-07 05:01:30 PM

SilentStrider: Weaver95: but on the other hand, their authoritarian beliefs say that anyone who breaks the law for any reason MUST be crushed and/or smashed into atoms - NOBODY breaks the law, ever.

they can probably justify it in their minds as not breaking the law


i'm sure the evangelicals will ignore the law...but the IRS can't. if the churches were quietly (?) ignoring and/or flaunting the tax code restrictions on political speech from the pulpit, then the IRS might be able to sort of let things slide. But this was open defiance...and you don't go around openly defying the US government. not unless you WANT to get a beat down.
 
2012-10-07 05:02:40 PM

Weaver95: But this was open defiance...and you don't go around openly defying the US government. not unless you WANT to get a beat down.


like I said up thread though, the IRS can't do a thing right now, or the churches will scream that the government is waging war on christianity.
 
2012-10-07 05:03:14 PM

SilentStrider: teto85: You don't challenge the IRS like that. They caught Al Capone, Ni*on and other criminals of that ilk. Don't think they won't go after Reverend Billy Bob.

never happen, at least not in an election year. Giving republicans ammunition like that would hand a lot of state and federal elecctions to them on a silver platter as they scream about gubbmit messing with their freedumbs..


the problem, of course, is that this strategy only ends up weakening the authority of the Federal government.
 
2012-10-07 05:05:26 PM

Weaver95:
the problem, of course, is that this strategy only ends up weakening the authority of the current incarnation of the Federal government.


Once they get their hands on the big chair, you think they'll let a tax free atheist organization tell people to vote for a Democrat?

Oh helllll no.
 
2012-10-07 05:06:12 PM

SilentStrider: Weaver95: But this was open defiance...and you don't go around openly defying the US government. not unless you WANT to get a beat down.

like I said up thread though, the IRS can't do a thing right now, or the churches will scream that the government is waging war on christianity.


the IRS doesn't care. look, they only worry about what Congress tells them to do. the IRS is *used* to being the bad guys and hated for just doing their jobs. Fox news screaming bloody murder would barely register on their radar. the IRS is going to have to go after these churches. you don't openly flaunt the IRS rules because the IRS will come for you and they're gonna win. they aren't going to even consider letting the churches off the hook, because that would make them look weak...and the IRS can't afford that sort of thing.
 
2012-10-07 05:06:57 PM

TwistedIvory: teto85: You don't challenge the IRS like that. They caught Al Capone, Ni*on and other criminals of that ilk. Don't think they won't go after Reverend Billy Bob.

Why do you have an aversion to typing "Nixon?"



i105.photobucket.com
 
2012-10-07 05:08:13 PM

logistic: Weaver95:
the problem, of course, is that this strategy only ends up weakening the authority of the current incarnation of the Federal government.

Once they get their hands on the big chair, you think they'll let a tax free atheist organization tell people to vote for a Democrat?

Oh helllll no.


won't matter - once you weaken the authority of the Federal government, the GOP won't be able to get it back. not that I believe for one second that the Republicans actually understand the long term implications of their 'anything to get Obama' strategy...
 
2012-10-07 05:08:53 PM

Weaver95: the problem, of course, is that this strategy only ends up weakening the authority of the Federal government.


which is what they want anyway.

Weaver95: the IRS doesn't care. look, they only worry about what Congress tells them to do. the IRS is *used* to being the bad guys and hated for just doing their jobs. Fox news screaming bloody murder would barely register on their radar. the IRS is going to have to go after these churches. you don't openly flaunt the IRS rules because the IRS will come for you and they're gonna win. they aren't going to even consider letting the churches off the hook, because that would make them look weak...and the IRS can't afford that sort of thing.


I'm not saying they won't ever, but not now.
 
2012-10-07 05:23:39 PM
I think all tax-exempt organizations, including churches, should be free to endorse candidates for political office. The right to participate in political life is not contingent upon whether you pay taxes. The purpose of tax-exempt status is not to buy silence.
 
2012-10-07 05:28:59 PM

FloydA: GAT_00: Tax every single one of those churches without exemptions.

The're doing this right before the election for a reason. If the IRS goes after them now, they can scream that "WAAAAaaa Fartbongo's jackbooted thugs are waging a war on religion!!!" That will increase the turnout of the knuckle-draggers who would otherwise stay home rather than vote for a Mormon. It's win-win for them.


Sgt Otter: Benevolent Misanthrope: The sad part is, there are too many servile f*ckwits in the country for anyone to take them on. By law, the IRS shoulde revoke their tax-exempt status for campaigning. But churches seem to get a pass on just about anything they damn well please.

Tax churches like any other business.

The second they do, a certain cable news network will start screaming WAR ON CHRISTIANITY!!! 24 hours a day.


Like Fox doesn't do that anyway.
 
2012-10-07 05:42:22 PM

BarkingUnicorn: I think all tax-exempt organizations, including churches, should be free to endorse candidates for political office. The right to participate in political life is not contingent upon whether you pay taxes. The purpose of tax-exempt status is not to buy silence.


Prepare to be flamed
 
2012-10-07 05:45:31 PM
It's not freedom of religion, it's freedom FROM religion.

Motherfarkers want to play, they should be made to pay.
 
2012-10-07 05:47:47 PM
You want the tax break? Simply refrain from endorsing candidates for office. That's it. If you can't handle it then pay your own damn way. You don't get to endorse candidates on someone else's dime.

Grow up, theocrats.
 
2012-10-07 05:49:49 PM

FirstNationalBastard: It's not freedom of religion, it's freedom FROM religion.

Motherfarkers want to play, they should be made to pay.


You have totally misread the First Amendment. It protects religion from government. It does not protect anything from religion.

As for "pay to play," that sounds like a poll tax.
 
2012-10-07 05:54:44 PM
In related news, 1400 pastors were arrested today for crimes ranging from sexual abuse of a child to embezzling to terroristic threats.
 
2012-10-07 05:56:19 PM
Today? You mean like every other Sunday since back in the olden times?
 
2012-10-07 05:56:47 PM

Godscrack: IRS wont touch the church. Never have. Never will.

They have too many shared interests.


The IRS HAS gone after scofflaw churches before.
 
2012-10-07 05:59:16 PM
The IRS needs to raid 1,400 churches on Monday.
 
2012-10-07 06:00:27 PM

FloydA: GAT_00: Tax every single one of those churches without exemptions.

The're doing this right before the election for a reason. If the IRS goes after them now, they can scream that "WAAAAaaa Fartbongo's jackbooted thugs are waging a war on religion!!!" That will increase the turnout of the knuckle-draggers who would otherwise stay home rather than vote for a Mormon. It's win-win for them.


Good thing he will already be re-elected by the time tax season comes.

/still won't happen....and it should
 
2012-10-07 06:00:53 PM
I'm in the category that says if a church wants to delve into politics, go for it. Open up the books then, the tax man cometh
 
2012-10-07 06:01:36 PM
So the churches are flat out saying "vote Republican" instead of saying "we can't by law tell you who to vote for, but Democrats are probably messengers of the antichrist. Just FYI".

How brave of them
 
2012-10-07 06:01:44 PM

BarkingUnicorn: I think all tax-exempt organizations, including churches, should be free to endorse candidates for political office. The right to participate in political life is not contingent upon whether you pay taxes. The purpose of tax-exempt status is not to buy silence.


Then you'd better be prepared to have every political PAC and party decide that they're a religious organization who also happens to be pumping millions of tax free dollars into the system. Why should I subsidize the Church by giving letting them spend pre-tax dollars to campaign against my own interests? Do you really want the federal government more involved in deciding who is a "legitimate" church? They currently give pretty wide leeway... open up the floodgates and you're begging for more scrutiny.

I'd like to see them taxed like any other corporation. Let them deduct money that's spent on actual charity work, but they can pay taxes on their buildings and non-charity related activities just like IBM, GM and the rest.
 
2012-10-07 06:02:16 PM

BarkingUnicorn: . The right to participate in political life is not contingent upon whether you pay taxes.


No, but the privilege of tax exemption is contingent upon being apolitical. This isn't a farking right, if you want to be a political organization then you can follow the rules about those, and one of those rules is you pay taxes like any other political club.
 
2012-10-07 06:02:22 PM
Wouldn't an Amendment barring government from making any laws respecting religion mean it would be illegal to treat religious establishments any different from any other entity, and thus having special tax exempt status in and of itself would be a violation of the First Amendment?
 
2012-10-07 06:02:51 PM

teto85: You don't challenge the IRS like that. They caught Al Capone, Ni*on and other criminals of that ilk. Don't think they won't go after Reverend Billy Bob.


Sure you do. They do, in fact, all the farking time. And why? Because going after Reverend Billy Bob for his political views is a PR nightmare. Doesn't matter what side you pick, the IRS let you do this sort of shiat, because 'Merica.
 
2012-10-07 06:03:15 PM
Separation of church and state is actually a GOOD thing, Churchtards.
 
2012-10-07 06:04:13 PM
Almost to a state, the Christian Coalition™ lost its non-profit status after a thorough and very overdue IRS investigation for the same abuse.

About the same time, the IRS appeared to go after some very staid main line, non-evangelical churches, to the point that some clergy got lawyered up and and as a result kept away from any semblance of political acknowledgement, much less endorsement. It had a chilling effect.

I wonder what those protesting today would do if their entire congregation were threatened with audit since they couldn't get deductions for any donations.

For a religion that legend says arose from the ashes of persecution by a very brutal government of occupation it's hard to believe that openly defying the government is a theological imperative.
 
2012-10-07 06:04:38 PM

mrshowrules: I wish Christians/Conservatives would just stop beating around the bush and let everyone know that they just want the US to effectively have a theocracy like Iran.


Not like Iran they use the wrong book, they want a theocracy like England, under bloody Mary except not so Catholic.
 
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