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2012-10-08 01:04:36 AM  
As long as the people living in the future aren't Italian, they should have no trouble dominating the people from the past.
 
2012-10-08 01:07:07 AM  

Malivon: SyFy is a painful channel to watch now.

The only relatively decent show (which I've heard that they're killing next season) is Warehouse 13. It made the huge mistake of catering to a crowd that doesn't watch it anymore. They days of the good shows are long gone from that channel.

It's so absurd now.


Awww shiat, are you kidding me? Well it'll be down to 1 show I watch on Syfy then, if Alphas is still around that is. Seems to me things are building up to quite a head there.

/they better at least bring back a certain recently dead person before the show ends.
 
2012-10-08 01:14:19 AM  
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They gave up all pretenses the minute they aired wrestling picked up as spillover from USA.

Bonnie Hammer will burn in the deepest depths of hell for that crap.
 
2012-10-08 01:23:51 AM  
I liked that British show where the family had to live 10 days each with the technology of the 70s, then 80s and then 90s. Sometimes a joke gets told about various places in the world where one quips: "The 80s didn't get to [insert location] until 19XX"...its totally true.
 
2012-10-08 02:15:28 AM  

rickycal78: Malivon: SyFy is a painful channel to watch now.

The only relatively decent show (which I've heard that they're killing next season) is Warehouse 13. It made the huge mistake of catering to a crowd that doesn't watch it anymore. They days of the good shows are long gone from that channel.

It's so absurd now.

Awww shiat, are you kidding me? Well it'll be down to 1 show I watch on Syfy then, if Alphas is still around that is. Seems to me things are building up to quite a head there.

/they better at least bring back a certain recently dead person before the show ends.


I had heard they were doing a spinoff with the H. G. Wells character, but that doesn't seem to have gotten off the ground.
 
2012-10-08 02:36:17 AM  
Yeah, I'm with a number of folks on here. I only watch Warehouse 13, Haven (which I really like), Lost Girl, and Face Off (which is interesting and hilariously bad sometimes). I keep hoping that they'll actually come up with another good original series, a la Battlestar, Eureka, etc, which is the only thing they do well, but it always seems to be super cheap to produce junk now. Sad.
 
2012-10-08 02:59:12 AM  
I'm curious, is anyone but me watching Hot Set?
 
2012-10-08 03:28:21 AM  

Snarcoleptic_Hoosier: Snarcoleptic_Hoosier: Mugato: The Learning Channel airs shows about a day in the life of a morbidly obese toddler. Mtv hasn't played a music video in a decade. The History Channel is devoted to shows about people pawning and/or hoarding shiat. Yeah, it really sucks that "SyFy" doesn't actually put out the myriad of awesome science fiction that they could but there are very few cable channels that actually have anything to do with what their acronyms or logos suggest.



Check and mate


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Fark no like the link the first time.


GSN only airs game shows because every reality show they create and air bombs like the Enola Gay over Hiroshima.

But, they have a full slate of reality shows ready to roll out this season, and make no mistake... once GSN can find the right reality show, they will quickly start dropping game shows for the reality genre they so want to be a part of.
 
2012-10-08 04:25:59 AM  
Yeah, Lost Girl and Face Off here.
 
2012-10-08 05:00:53 AM  

Mugato: The Learning Channel airs shows about a day in the life of a morbidly obese toddler. Mtv hasn't played a music video in a decade. The History Channel is devoted to shows about people pawning and/or hoarding shiat. Yeah, it really sucks that "SyFy" doesn't actually put out the myriad of awesome science fiction that they could but there are very few cable channels that actually have anything to do with what their acronyms or logos suggest.


And?
 
2012-10-08 05:51:43 AM  
I can't find Ice Road Truckers any more. I can't remember, is it on the weather channel or ESPN?
 
2012-10-08 07:45:31 AM  

Vodka Zombie: Seriously, who watches that shiat? I've never met anyone who admits to watching anything other than Warehouse 13 on SyFy.


I watch Alphas and I watched Lost Girl, though by the end of season 2 that was just out of sheer stubbornness to see how it ended. Don't think I'll watch season 3 unless I hear it improved. Alphas is actually a pretty good show, though. I love Gary, he has to be the more realistic representation of an autistic character I've ever seen, managing to show what his condition is without making him a stereotype. They made him funny, and kind of a domineering asshole which I think is a great choice.
 
2012-10-08 07:54:47 AM  
Haven is great. It's like Twin Peaks lite mixed with the X-Files and Heroes (without the suck factor). There's also the game of spotting the Stephen King references every episodes.
 
2012-10-08 07:55:15 AM  

propasaurus: I watch Face Off and now Hot Set on SyFy, but only because those are particular areas of interest for me.


Yeah, I work in film so as much as I hate reality shows, I watched Face/Off a few times. There are some really talented people on that show but at some point some suit must have gotten creatively involved and the show started to have the drama and bullshiat that all the other reality shows have so I tuned out. Haven't seen Hot Set yet.
 
2012-10-08 08:08:53 AM  

Mugato: The Learning Channel airs shows about a day in the life of a morbidly obese toddler. Mtv hasn't played a music video in a decade. The History Channel is devoted to shows about people pawning and/or hoarding shiat. Yeah, it really sucks that "SyFy" doesn't actually put out the myriad of awesome science fiction that they could but there are very few cable channels that actually have anything to do with what their acronyms or logos suggest.


NatGeo Wild comes close
 
2012-10-08 08:56:29 AM  

Doc Batarang: I liked that British show where the family had to live 10 days each with the technology of the 70s, then 80s and then 90s. Sometimes a joke gets told about various places in the world where one quips: "The 80s didn't get to [insert location] until 19XX"...its totally true.


That was a great show... but then, the BBC has a habit of creating excellent shows in that mold.

A recent favorite of mine is "The Supersizers Go..." on the Cooking Channel. Each episode has the two presenters (one is a food critic, and the other is a television writer/presenter) living - and eating - in different time periods for a week; The 40's, Renaissance, Middle Ages, 1920's, and so on.

The show is both highly informative, and extremely amusing. I recommend it.
 
2012-10-08 09:16:50 AM  

TappingTheVein: Haven is great. It's like Twin Peaks lite mixed with the X-Files and Heroes (without the suck factor). There's also the game of spotting the Stephen King references every episodes.


I only watched the first few episodes of Haven, but it didn't really grab me. It seems to be getting really great reviews and I'm thinking of getting back into it. Is it still episodic, or is there any serialization to it? In other words, can I just start watching new episodes and enjoy them just as well?

/Still miss Eureka, but WH13 does an alright job of providing fun and silly stories. Plus, it's cool to see Brent Spiner again.
 
2012-10-08 09:42:41 AM  

BarkingUnicorn: So, kinda like Romney's American, then.


Done in one. *motions to waiter* Check please.
 
2012-10-08 10:45:28 AM  

Sock Ruh Tease: Hopefully they don't go to war. 

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Is that Sid Meier's Civilization? Wow, I haven't played that since it was on floppy disk.
 
2012-10-08 10:49:02 AM  

Vodka Zombie: Seriously, who watches that shiat? I've never met anyone who admits to watching anything other than Warehouse 13 on SyFy.


warehouse 13 and alphas

I need to see if netflix has all the seasons of eureka on it

and is lost girl any good?
 
2012-10-08 10:52:56 AM  
people to live in "the past" and struggle for survival against people in "the future" who have it easy

As a programmer/analyst sitting in a cubicle writing software, and who occasionally looks like this:

i41.tinypic.com

I live that particular dichotomy, with the added burden of smileyfacitis.
 
2012-10-08 10:53:38 AM  

dittybopper: people to live in "the past" and struggle for survival against people in "the future" who have it easy

As a programmer/analyst sitting in a cubicle writing software, and who occasionally looks like this:

[i41.tinypic.com image 312x640]

I live that particular dichotomy, with the added burden of smileyfacitis.


the smileyfaceitis must make it difficult to hide in the woods
 
2012-10-08 10:57:17 AM  

NeoCortex42: I only watched the first few episodes of Haven, but it didn't really grab me. It seems to be getting really great reviews and I'm thinking of getting back into it. Is it still episodic, or is there any serialization to it? In other words, can I just start watching new episodes and enjoy them just as well?


it's mostly a major story arc now about the background of the Audrey Parker character. I suggest starting at the beginning of season 2.
 
2012-10-08 11:00:34 AM  

dittybopper: As a programmer/analyst sitting in a cubicle writing software, and who occasionally looks like this:


Oh boy, dittybopper's showing off his Magua cosplay again...
 
2012-10-08 11:06:37 AM  
fark that network.

Science channel has more SciFi on it than that stupid bullshiat network.
 
2012-10-08 11:40:25 AM  

Mentalpatient87: dittybopper: As a programmer/analyst sitting in a cubicle writing software, and who occasionally looks like this:

Oh boy, dittybopper's showing off his Magua cosplay again...


You don't happen to have gray hair, do you?
 
2012-10-08 11:41:48 AM  

loonatic112358: the smileyfaceitis must make it difficult to hide in the woods


Yeah, but the chicks dig it.
 
2012-10-08 11:49:30 AM  
Faceoff, Hot Set, SOMETIMES Ghost Hunters, and that's it.

This reminds me of The Colony on Discovery - Can normal morons survive an apocalypse?

The answer was largely "No", especially Season 2.
 
2012-10-08 11:52:16 AM  

malaktaus: This would be cool if the "past" people had to survive as hunter-gatherers using stone tools, with no help available whatsoever, while the "future" people lived in an arcology and hunted the "past" people for sport, preferably with lasers. It would be the best reality show ever.


I'ad watch that, but you'd have to balance it out a little. Maybe the "past" folks could outnumber the "future" folks 10 to 1. Then we'd see some real bloodsport.
 
2012-10-08 12:00:06 PM  

ambercat: Vodka Zombie: Seriously, who watches that shiat? I've never met anyone who admits to watching anything other than Warehouse 13 on SyFy.

I watch Alphas and I watched Lost Girl, though by the end of season 2 that was just out of sheer stubbornness to see how it ended. Don't think I'll watch season 3 unless I hear it improved. Alphas is actually a pretty good show, though. I love Gary, he has to be the more realistic representation of an autistic character I've ever seen, managing to show what his condition is without making him a stereotype. They made him funny, and kind of a domineering asshole which I think is a great choice.


I like Gary, Bill, Kat, and the girl with the super senses that I can't remember the name of right now. I was a bit disappointed they sent Kat away, she's much more interesting to me than Cameron or the girl that "pushes" people.

The biggest problem I seem to have with the show is that it picks up threads and occasionally just drops them. Things like super senses girl bringing that guy with the scars to meet her parents. They spent a good bit of time showing her worrying about it, and we don't hear how it goes for 3 or so episodes. Gary's mom is another one. You would think she'd visit or that Gary would visit, but you never hear anything after he moved into the offices. The girl who "pushes" people, she had her issue and stopped pushing people when it's not needed, so she got kicked out of her ritzy place. So now what? Little things like that. I think it's mostly due to the shows writers trying to show too much at once, and they still haven't gotten that balance between character development and main plot development down just yet, which is a shame.
 
2012-10-08 12:13:21 PM  

dittybopper: Mentalpatient87: dittybopper: As a programmer/analyst sitting in a cubicle writing software, and who occasionally looks like this:

Oh boy, dittybopper's showing off his Magua cosplay again...

You don't happen to have gray hair, do you?


www.alldaypharmacy.co.uk
Nope!

ConConHead: This reminds me of The Colony on Discovery - Can normal morons survive an apocalypse?

The answer was largely "No", especially Season 2.

From the episodes I watched, it seemed their major problem was being a big group of pussies and hippies. They tried to negotiate out of everything instead of just gearing up and kicking some ass. Sure, they took one or two swings to defend their home base, but they needed to just straight conquer the area.
 
2012-10-08 12:16:56 PM  

Mentalpatient87: Sure, they took one or two swings to defend their home base, but they needed to just straight conquer the area.


Yeah, they were pretty pathetic. "Oh noes, we lost our useless pretty blonde girl! Let's go trade our food to get her back."

Correct answer is either A. You leave her ass behind or B. You find out where she is, who has her, what resources they have, and you make an attack plan to get her back.
 
2012-10-08 12:17:18 PM  
Sounds like the Fringe final season.
 
2012-10-08 12:17:46 PM  

rickycal78: ambercat: Vodka Zombie: Seriously, who watches that shiat? I've never met anyone who admits to watching anything other than Warehouse 13 on SyFy.

I watch Alphas and I watched Lost Girl, though by the end of season 2 that was just out of sheer stubbornness to see how it ended. Don't think I'll watch season 3 unless I hear it improved. Alphas is actually a pretty good show, though. I love Gary, he has to be the more realistic representation of an autistic character I've ever seen, managing to show what his condition is without making him a stereotype. They made him funny, and kind of a domineering asshole which I think is a great choice.

I like Gary, Bill, Kat, and the girl with the super senses that I can't remember the name of right now. I was a bit disappointed they sent Kat away, she's much more interesting to me than Cameron or the girl that "pushes" people.

The biggest problem I seem to have with the show is that it picks up threads and occasionally just drops them. Things like super senses girl bringing that guy with the scars to meet her parents. They spent a good bit of time showing her worrying about it, and we don't hear how it goes for 3 or so episodes. Gary's mom is another one. You would think she'd visit or that Gary would visit, but you never hear anything after he moved into the offices. The girl who "pushes" people, she had her issue and stopped pushing people when it's not needed, so she got kicked out of her ritzy place. So now what? Little things like that. I think it's mostly due to the shows writers trying to show too much at once, and they still haven't gotten that balance between character development and main plot development down just yet, which is a shame.


I'm pretty sure that Kat is back tonight. When they sent her away, they said she could probably finish the training in only a couple of weeks. Also, if they kept her away any longer, she'd forget everybody on the team.

Gary and Bill is one of the best pairings on television right now. They have really good chemistry.

As for the super-senses girl (I can never remember her name, so I just refer to her as The Sentinel), I'm not a fan of her sudden office romance. The first few episodes of it felt really forced and none of it seemed natural at all. I get what the show was going for with character development, but something about it just seems "off".

I'm excited to see what the show will be like with Rosen and Hicks going rogue.
 
2012-10-08 12:26:51 PM  

ConConHead: Correct answer is either A. You leave her ass behind or B. You find out where she is, who has her, what resources they have, and you make an attack plan to get her back.


Excactly! Oh, you took our pretty blond girl? Well, now your base is on fire.. Your move.
 
2012-10-08 12:31:46 PM  

LesserEvil: Bonnie Hammer will burn in the deepest depths of hell for that crap.

 
2012-10-08 12:58:20 PM  

Apos: From TFA,it sounds as if this is simply the reality TV version of:

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which doesn't bode well for it. At all.


Why don't they have steam power?
 
2012-10-08 01:10:28 PM  

Sock Ruh Tease: Hopefully they don't go to war. 

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You bastard.
/there goes my afternoon and evenings this week.

Fury Pilot: How is it possible to get two cities that close together?
I thought Civ had a rule that required at least 2 squares..


The tile the tank is sitting on is an resource square for the city that's been developed as a village improvement, they grow over time into hamlets etc and provide primarily coin.
 
2012-10-08 01:29:09 PM  

NeoCortex42: I'm pretty sure that Kat is back tonight. When they sent her away, they said she could probably finish the training in only a couple of weeks. Also, if they kept her away any longer, she'd forget everybody on the team.

Gary and Bill is one of the best pairings on television right now. They have really good chemistry.

As for the super-senses girl (I can never remember her name, so I just refer to her as The Sentinel), I'm not a fan of her sudden office romance. The first few episodes of it felt really forced and none of it seemed natural at all. I get what the show was going for with character development, but something about it just seems "off".

I'm excited to see what the show will be like with Rosen and Hicks going rogue.


Judging by the preview for tonight's episode it looks like Kat is back, and looks like Rosen has the team being a bit more cavalier.

I'm kind of curious why they sent Kat to the training if she's just going to forget the non-physical aspects of it in a month or so.
 
2012-10-08 01:31:38 PM  
SevenizGud: I can't find Ice Road Truckers any more. I can't remember, is it on the weather channel or ESPN?

Honey Boo Boo is on the Learning Channel, that is about all you need to know about how much the bar has been lowered.
 
2012-10-08 02:33:03 PM  
I think Haven is a decent show. Just started watching it though. I don't watch anything else on that channel.
 
2012-10-08 03:43:56 PM  

Mentalpatient87: dittybopper: Mentalpatient87: dittybopper: As a programmer/analyst sitting in a cubicle writing software, and who occasionally looks like this:

Oh boy, dittybopper's showing off his Magua cosplay again...

You don't happen to have gray hair, do you?


Nope!


I always thought it would be funny for Wes Studi to do a commercial for Grecian Formula: "If you hate gray hair as much as I do..."
 
2012-10-08 04:18:44 PM  
I do wish the Syfy channel didn't feel the need to cut out a few scenes on every episode of Lost Girl so they could fit in more commercials. Then again they do that with pretty much every show they bring in. It was really annoying the crap they cut out of Doctor Who before cancelling the show to fit in more reality shows.
 
2012-10-08 05:12:38 PM  

narkor: SyFy made 500 million last year - by not putting on shows that people torrent and instead putting on shows that people tune in to at broadcast time. That's why you don't see traditional Science Fiction shows anymore. The audience for those shows don't watch them when they are broadcast. Stargate Universe and Eureka killed it on the rankings on Torrentfreak - but couldn't get enough *real* viewers to justify their production costs.


I'm gonna go out on a limb and guess Stargate dvd sales are about 4,000 times higher than Ghost Wrasslin' dvd sales. I alone have well over a thousand dollars worth of great television shows sitting on my shelves. While they may be torrented up front, a lot of scifi fans like owning the dvd's of their favorite shows for rewatching, knowing damn well it could be another 10 years before another decent scifi show comes on.

If an executive of a major television network can't be bothered to factor dvd sales into his profitability, he doesn't deserve his bloated salary.
 
2012-10-08 05:15:58 PM  
The bottom line is that reality shows are 10x cheaper to make and run about the same risk of bombing as a fully hashed out big-budget series, and that just tickles these networks silly.

My wife watches a lot of these shows like Face Off and ... um ... names, names ... Project Runway? ... the creative type shows ... I actually don't mind them so much, but I wish the show would give them about twice as much time to really give the artists ample allowance to let their creativity roar so we could see what they could REALLY do. I mean, I LOVE seeing the final product a lot more than whatever squabbles or manufactured drama they come up with while making stuff. Also, the hosts coming in halfway and criticizing their work/redirecting their creativity nags the hell out of me for some reason.
 
2012-10-08 05:19:51 PM  

Spaced Cowboy: narkor: SyFy made 500 million last year - by not putting on shows that people torrent and instead putting on shows that people tune in to at broadcast time. That's why you don't see traditional Science Fiction shows anymore. The audience for those shows don't watch them when they are broadcast. Stargate Universe and Eureka killed it on the rankings on Torrentfreak - but couldn't get enough *real* viewers to justify their production costs.

I'm gonna go out on a limb and guess Stargate dvd sales are about 4,000 times higher than Ghost Wrasslin' dvd sales. I alone have well over a thousand dollars worth of great television shows sitting on my shelves. While they may be torrented up front, a lot of scifi fans like owning the dvd's of their favorite shows for rewatching, knowing damn well it could be another 10 years before another decent scifi show comes on.

If an executive of a major television network can't be bothered to factor dvd sales into his profitability, he doesn't deserve his bloated salary.


Yah but for every one of you there's 10 of us basement dwellers that can't afford both their wow subscription and the outrageous prices of TV series on DVD/Bluray, allowances only go so far. I buy movies but I draw the line at $90 per season of a show. Its just so easy to steal those shows off of torrent sites within hours of them airing. Meanwhile if syfy ever got their heads out of their asses and made their shows available for download(not stream, download) in HD quality at air-time for a reasonably competitive price I'd be all over that.
 
2012-10-08 05:51:09 PM  

BumpInTheNight: Spaced Cowboy: narkor: SyFy made 500 million last year - by not putting on shows that people torrent and instead putting on shows that people tune in to at broadcast time. That's why you don't see traditional Science Fiction shows anymore. The audience for those shows don't watch them when they are broadcast. Stargate Universe and Eureka killed it on the rankings on Torrentfreak - but couldn't get enough *real* viewers to justify their production costs.

I'm gonna go out on a limb and guess Stargate dvd sales are about 4,000 times higher than Ghost Wrasslin' dvd sales. I alone have well over a thousand dollars worth of great television shows sitting on my shelves. While they may be torrented up front, a lot of scifi fans like owning the dvd's of their favorite shows for rewatching, knowing damn well it could be another 10 years before another decent scifi show comes on.

If an executive of a major television network can't be bothered to factor dvd sales into his profitability, he doesn't deserve his bloated salary.

Yah but for every one of you there's 10 of us basement dwellers that can't afford both their wow subscription and the outrageous prices of TV series on DVD/Bluray, allowances only go so far. I buy movies but I draw the line at $90 per season of a show. Its just so easy to steal those shows off of torrent sites within hours of them airing. Meanwhile if syfy ever got their heads out of their asses and made their shows available for download(not stream, download) in HD quality at air-time for a reasonably competitive price I'd be all over that.


90 bucks a season for a show?

Only if it's Star Trek.

The average price of a season of a TV show is 20-30 bucks on release day. And give it a few months, and you can find most anything for under 20 bucks if you wait for sales or buy it used.

There are some exceptions... Doctor Who, for example, which is always over 50 bucks per season after the release week discounted price. But Eureka or Warehouse 13? Right now, every season available of both shows is going for 25 bucks or less on Amazon.
 
2012-10-08 08:03:01 PM  

loonatic112358: and is lost girl any good?


The two main characters are ridiculously gorgeous. But the writing is shiat and their special effects budget seems to be about $25 per episode.


SevenizGud: I can't find Ice Road Truckers any more. I can't remember, is it on the weather channel or ESPN?


Global warming melted all the ice roads.
 
2012-10-08 08:58:05 PM  

FirstNationalBastard: BumpInTheNight: Spaced Cowboy: narkor: SyFy made 500 million last year - by not putting on shows that people torrent and instead putting on shows that people tune in to at broadcast time. That's why you don't see traditional Science Fiction shows anymore. The audience for those shows don't watch them when they are broadcast. Stargate Universe and Eureka killed it on the rankings on Torrentfreak - but couldn't get enough *real* viewers to justify their production costs.

I'm gonna go out on a limb and guess Stargate dvd sales are about 4,000 times higher than Ghost Wrasslin' dvd sales. I alone have well over a thousand dollars worth of great television shows sitting on my shelves. While they may be torrented up front, a lot of scifi fans like owning the dvd's of their favorite shows for rewatching, knowing damn well it could be another 10 years before another decent scifi show comes on.

If an executive of a major television network can't be bothered to factor dvd sales into his profitability, he doesn't deserve his bloated salary.

Yah but for every one of you there's 10 of us basement dwellers that can't afford both their wow subscription and the outrageous prices of TV series on DVD/Bluray, allowances only go so far. I buy movies but I draw the line at $90 per season of a show. Its just so easy to steal those shows off of torrent sites within hours of them airing. Meanwhile if syfy ever got their heads out of their asses and made their shows available for download(not stream, download) in HD quality at air-time for a reasonably competitive price I'd be all over that.

90 bucks a season for a show?

Only if it's Star Trek.

The average price of a season of a TV show is 20-30 bucks on release day. And give it a few months, and you can find most anything for under 20 bucks if you wait for sales or buy it used.

There are some exceptions... Doctor Who, for example, which is always over 50 bucks per season after the release week discounted price. But Eureka or Warehouse 13? Right now, every season available of both shows is going for 25 bucks or less on Amazon.


Yeah, most shows are quite affordable if you catch them on sale. I'd need a couple terabytes to hold all the shows I own. The ony stuff that gets real expensive are HBO shows, but you really get what you pay for with those HBo seriea. I just finished buying/watching Deadwood. farking amazing show and well worth the cash spent.

I have Game of Thrones season 1 that i'm just about to get into if I can tear myself away from these Honor Harrington books I just stumbled upon. Now there's some good scifi!
 
2012-10-09 12:59:34 AM  

JPSimonetti: The bottom line is that reality shows are 10x cheaper to make and run about the same risk of bombing as a fully hashed out big-budget series, and that just tickles these networks silly.

My wife watches a lot of these shows like Face Off and ... um ... names, names ... Project Runway? ... the creative type shows ... I actually don't mind them so much, but I wish the show would give them about twice as much time to really give the artists ample allowance to let their creativity roar so we could see what they could REALLY do. I mean, I LOVE seeing the final product a lot more than whatever squabbles or manufactured drama they come up with while making stuff. Also, the hosts coming in halfway and criticizing their work/redirecting their creativity nags the hell out of me for some reason.


Yeah, like I said before, we watch Face Off and Hot Set, particularly because it's our field. But you're right about the forced drama aspect of it. However, Hot Set doesn't have any of that. It's 2 teams competing and they have little or no contact with each other, so no drama involved. As for Face Off, at the beginning of this season thee was one guy who was just a raving asshole drama queen, creating conflict with everyone. I thought 'great, here we go, they're gonna keep his crazy ass around for weeks to build up the conflict.'
Nope. He was the first one booted off.
 
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