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(NBC News)   High school student wears Romney/Ryan T-shirt to class. Her teacher demands that she remove the shirt, leave the classroom, and go back to her Klan meeting   (usnews.nbcnews.com) divider line 58
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2012-10-07 04:57:58 PM  
10 votes:
I have a very, very strong suspicion that we are not hearing the full story here.

the teacher asked me... 'Are your parents Republican?' I said, 'I don't know.'

So either, you as a high school kid are astute enough to have a preference for presidential candidates but not inquisitive enough to know which candidates your parents support

OR

Your parents bought you the shirt and told you to wear it to school and try to make a scene, and you really don't have any understanding of or interest in the issues or candidates.

From what I know of high school kids, I know which way I would bet.
2012-10-07 05:14:03 PM  
4 votes:
Here's some local news that didn't get up to the MSM. Guess it depends which news outline picks up the story, huh?

High school girl who supports GLBT equality gets lectured in class by ROTC instructor about sins of homosexuality.
2012-10-07 04:49:20 PM  
4 votes:

vpb: This sounds a lot like those stories where the pledge of allegiance and the flag are supposedly banned by evil liberal teachers.


Here, however, the principal made the teacher apologize, and there's an investigation ongoing. The kid has the right to wear the T-shirt; the teacher was in the wrong, and should get some remedial training on the bounds of student freedom of expression.

That said, the political right will have fun hyping this up as an infringement of student rights. For contrast, the reaction by the right wingers at the Blaze over the "Jesus is not a homophobe" T-shirt back in April.
vpb [TotalFark]
2012-10-07 03:53:28 PM  
4 votes:
I would take it with a grain of salt anyway. This sounds a lot like those stories where the pledge of allegiance and the flag are supposedly banned by evil liberal teachers.
2012-10-07 11:02:26 PM  
3 votes:
This pretty much sums it up

i30.servimg.com

Now for you libtards that want to pull out your hair and scream at me. Normally I would spend an hour poking you with a stick, but I just got home and I'm a bit tired. So I'm just going to leave this here to express what I really believe about arguing with all you really amounts to. Then I'm going to go take a shower and watch a little TV.

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Night All...
2012-10-07 08:32:45 PM  
3 votes:
Ahem. Here's how this works.
What the teacher did was wrong. [stop]

\[stop] Stop means stop, like no means no and wrong means wrong.
\\ keep score later. you'll get your chance
2012-10-07 07:38:54 PM  
3 votes:
I have several students that wear Romney/Ryan t-shirts to my classes. No one's had any issues or told me about conflicts with other faculty. One of my graders is a Ron Paul fan and one of my best students last spring was a big Santorum fan. If you can't get past the fact that your students might have political opinions of their own and separate that out, that's a mark against your professionalism whether at the secondary, primary or collegiate level.
2012-10-07 06:06:45 PM  
3 votes:
I think the teacher was trying to say "You, as a female, should support people who do not want to oppress you. It would be similar to me, an African American, supporting the KKK."

/Not sure.
//DNRTFA.
///not a democrat FWIW
2012-10-07 04:55:44 PM  
3 votes:

abb3w: vpb: This sounds a lot like those stories where the pledge of allegiance and the flag are supposedly banned by evil liberal teachers.

Here, however, the principal made the teacher apologize, and there's an investigation ongoing. The kid has the right to wear the T-shirt; the teacher was in the wrong, and should get some remedial training on the bounds of student freedom of expression.

That said, the political right will have fun hyping this up as an infringement of student rights. For contrast, the reaction by the right wingers at the Blaze over the "Jesus is not a homophobe" T-shirt back in April.


so basically it's ok to wear pro-conservative tee shirts to class, but 'bong hits for jesus' ain't gonna happen...?
2012-10-07 09:20:42 PM  
2 votes:

DubyaHater: I guarantee if she was wearing an Obama/Biden t-shirt, everyone in this thread would be crying racism.
/Obama voter
//the bias on this website is quite obvious
///welcome to Fark, blah blah blah


Don't brother. They can't see that they are just different side of the same coin. I honestly doubt there would be anyone here calling the student an "AW" and "parents put her up to it to stir shiat" if the shirt was Obama/Biden. It is amazing how much Fark posts would look right at home on freerepublic if you just switch the political ideology.

As someone who is liberal on most issues, I don't want partisan naming-calling hacks representing my beliefs. If you can't respect and try to understand why people have different views than you, you are just a punk who thinks he has got the world all figured out.
2012-10-07 08:27:55 PM  
2 votes:
Despite how much I detest the Romney/Ryan ticket... this story really bothers me.

CSB time: spent three years with a girl whose family was ultra-ultra-partisan Democrat. Like to the point that her sister called me a "baby killer" when I came home in uniform. It took an extreme turn at the '04 election, when even her 8 year old brother couldn't get through a dinner without parroting "Bush is such an idiot."

At that moment, I swore my own children would never be indoctrinated like that. Now, when my 5 year old comes out and sees us laughing at Jon Stewart, we explain to her that everyone in this country gets to vote. And we personally think the president we have now is much better than Romney, but it's okay when other people disagree with us.

Obviously she'll pick up (or specifically rebel against) many of our biases just by being around us. But I'll be damned if my child will become a blind cult follower - even if it's my cult.

Back to the story - the student may just be AWing (both by wearing the shirt and by making a big deal out of this), but the teacher handled it really poorly. If a teacher wants to meddle politically, take 15 minutes out of your curriculum and encourage your students to have a structured debate. Especially on the topic of support for public education.
2012-10-07 08:26:47 PM  
2 votes:
IF THIS REALLY HAPPENED and isn't a made-up vignette, then as a Democrat I am bothered by the teacher's remark/reaction, even in jest. The student was inoffensively expressing a political opinion. She wasn't Drowning Puppies for Romney.

Heck, if she's not embarrassed to be wearing the shirt, I say let her wear it.
2012-10-07 08:23:20 PM  
2 votes:

DubyaHater: I guarantee if she was wearing an Obama/Biden t-shirt, everyone in this thread would be crying racism.


See, your little post would be believable/not so much of a troll if you hadn't trotted out the "Racism" line.

People here claim racism when the only other logical alternative is that the subject in question is mind-numbingly stupid, such that Racism itself is the benefit of the doubt.

Or when it really is racism (i.e. Tea Party "Obama is our black plague!" signs and "I can't be racist! I have token black friend!" and so on)

Bugger off with the horseshiat.
2012-10-07 08:11:53 PM  
2 votes:

bugontherug: abb3w: Here, however, the principal made the teacher apologize, and there's an investigation ongoing.

You've no evidence for the proposition that the principal made the teacher apologize. At least not from this article. It's possible the teacher sincerely felt bad about what may very well have been a genuine misunderstanding.

It isn't that difficult imagine a teacher adopting a faux over-the-top tone and saying those things in jest. I said out loud, for example, that "my son can be gay if we wants, or religious if he wants, or whatever the hell he wants. Except a Republican. I'll disown him if he's a Republican."

I obviously don't mean it. Clearly I'll disown him for being religious too.

j/k

See how that works?

I love my boy unconditionally. I wouldn't disown him under any circumstances. But I can already see the headline if some biased reporter with a right-wing agenda got ahold of those words in a story worth reporting them: "Bigoted Liberal Threatens to Disown Son for Being Religious, Republican."


And to be clear, we have good evidence the teacher really was joking: the article does not report that the teacher actually required the student to change her shirt.
2012-10-07 08:10:06 PM  
2 votes:

abb3w: Here, however, the principal made the teacher apologize, and there's an investigation ongoing.


You've no evidence for the proposition that the principal made the teacher apologize. At least not from this article. It's possible the teacher sincerely felt bad about what may very well have been a genuine misunderstanding.

It isn't that difficult imagine a teacher adopting a faux over-the-top tone and saying those things in jest. I said out loud, for example, that "my son can be gay if we wants, or religious if he wants, or whatever the hell he wants. Except a Republican. I'll disown him if he's a Republican."

I obviously don't mean it. Clearly I'll disown him for being religious too.

j/k

See how that works?

I love my boy unconditionally. I wouldn't disown him under any circumstances. But I can already see the headline if some biased reporter with a right-wing agenda got ahold of those words in a story worth reporting them: "Bigoted Liberal Threatens to Disown Son for Being Religious, Republican."
2012-10-07 07:53:19 PM  
2 votes:

Somacandra: I hope you're trolling. There should be no potential consequences for wearing "such a shirt" unless it defies an explicit universal dress code for everyone.

[i.imgur.com image 500x323]

Wore this in the 1980's to Junior High school. No issues. Wore it once to my Civics's teacher's house with some friends. And there...I ran into some problems. But that's his house, after all.


Nope. I didn't say that the kid should be prohibited from wearing her Romney shirt to school, but if you're going to wear something that bears controversial words or images, don't be surprised if some people react negatively. Crying to your mother, "WAAAAAH! My teacher didn't like my shirt!" is ridiculous.
2012-10-07 07:23:31 PM  
2 votes:

tenpoundsofcheese: Lionel Mandrake: tenpoundsofcheese: AirForceVet: Here's some local news that didn't get up to the MSM. Guess it depends which news outline picks up the story, huh?

High school girl who supports GLBT equality gets lectured in class by ROTC instructor about sins of homosexuality.

are you saying ABC news is not part of the MSM?
I didn't know that.

Apparently you don't know the difference between a multi-national news corporation and a local affiliate, either

ABC news covered it.
They are main stream
They are media

get over it.
stop being so persecuted.


If you have an actual link to the article, on abc.com, I'd love to see it, but you were referring to the linked article from a local affiliate, so, yeah...

It's OK to admit you're wrong, sweetheart.
2012-10-07 06:35:23 PM  
2 votes:
"If it was a joke between two adults, I can take a joke like that but (my daughter) didn't know how to take it. She doesn't understand, she actually thinks she did something wrong," her father, Richard Pawlucy, said.

If the kid doesn't understand the potential consequences of wearing such a shirt, perhaps she shouldn't wear it in the first place.

It's quite obvious that her parents put her up to it.
2012-10-07 06:12:55 PM  
2 votes:

Mike_LowELL: Rumor has it on a site whose name I forgot from a certain poster that the kid was sent to Guantanamo. Disgusting. We used to send terrorists there. Now we send Republicans.


That's redundant.
2012-10-07 05:13:32 PM  
2 votes:

cman: loveblondieo: Here's another article naming the teacher and reporting on some of the backlash she's gotten.

FTA: Sophomore Samantha Pawlucy said Gaymon called her out for wearing the shirt and told her it was analogous to the teacher, who is black, wearing a KKK shirt.

Jesus, a teacher said this?



Maybe. We have the student's mother's accusation, but I'm not sure that's sufficient evidence. Given my experiences, I'm pretty skeptical of the student's claim, and far more skeptical of her mother's accusation. If the teacher said that, she was being stupid, but I'm not ready to convict just yet.
2012-10-07 05:00:57 PM  
2 votes:
In other news, kids apparently still have 1st Amendment Privleges in school.
2012-10-07 03:43:51 PM  
2 votes:
Dress codes. How wurk?
2012-10-08 02:43:09 PM  
1 votes:

The My Little Pony Killer: She's trolling. High schoolers don't care about politics unless they have an axe (their parents') to grind.


You're ridiculous. Lots of high schoolers care about politics. I certainly did. And even if she was "trolling", she has a farking right to wear a shirt supporting her candidate.

I'm blown away by how many hypocritical farkers there are on here, dismissing this girl or pretending not to believe her. Come on, guys. We're supposed to be better than the farking Republicans.
d23 [TotalFark]
2012-10-08 11:37:24 AM  
1 votes:

radiobiz: Ahem. I'll just put this here:

Tinker v. Demoines


It gives me a belly laugh to think that today's SCOTUS would uphold anyone non-corporation's rights, let alone someone under 18.
2012-10-08 08:56:29 AM  
1 votes:
"If it was a joke between two adults, I can take a joke like that but (my daughter) didn't know how to take it. She doesn't understand, she actually thinks she did something wrong," her father, Richard Pawlucy, said.

She doesn't understand even after it's been explained to her? Is this a special ed school?
2012-10-08 06:54:59 AM  
1 votes:

muck4doo: intelligent comment below: darkedgefan: No surprise here. I am sure 90% of college professors vote for Dems... Does anyone dispute that? I wonder how high it is for High School teachers? 75%?? I love those "tolerant" liberals.


So the smartest most well read people on subjects are more liberal, that should tell you something about your viewpoint.

The smartest most well read people belong to unions that rip off the public to benefit themselves exercise the right to assemble. That is true.


That's the actual truth. 

Constitution...how does it work?
2012-10-08 01:16:12 AM  
1 votes:
The only problem I have with this is that the person doing the accosting was in a clear position of authority over the object of her wrath. That's not right, especially when children are involved.

But yeah, pretty much everyone wearing a Romney/Ryan shirt should be told to GTFO and get back to their Klan meeting.
2012-10-07 11:55:14 PM  
1 votes:
Nice to be reminded every now and then why I threw vegasj out the airlock.

With no suit.
2012-10-07 10:23:39 PM  
1 votes:
I can see it happening and if the case it is wrong. I am sure the exact opposite would happen here in Alabama with an Obama t-shirt in some schools. Insecure people have trouble with others who believe differently that them and need constant "reiforcement". Unfortunately for the United States I would say that would be about 75% of the population, across all political ideologies. That leaves the 25% to clean up the mess. Unfortunately many of us in the 25%, across all ideologies of course, don't want to subject our lives to the bullshiat it would take to get elected and make a difference. Unfortunately it also means we are being governed by idiots.
2012-10-07 10:04:02 PM  
1 votes:
The teacher was just looking out for the student's economic interests, since the student obviously wasn't.
2012-10-07 09:44:23 PM  
1 votes:

doglover: When you're in junior high in the 80's wearing a shirt that was about events over 40 years old at that point, that's a very different situation than a girl in the 2012 wearing a political shirt from the current election cycle.


If you are actually so incredibly butthurt than someone in the USA would DARE wear a t-shirt endorsing one of the major party candidates in the upcoming Presidential election (in which we supposedly celebrate young peoples' awareness of political issues)--then your views on free speech are farking retarded and ought to be summarily ignored by anyone considering themselves intelligent. What a bunch of farking pussies you all are.
2012-10-07 09:19:59 PM  
1 votes:

Stoj: I think the teacher was trying to say "You, as a female, should support people who do not want to oppress you. It would be similar to me, an African American, supporting the KKK."

/Not sure.
//DNRTFA.
///not a democrat FWIW


This was my take as well.

Republicans' social agenda has been cropped directly from A Handmaiden's Tale because the super-rich who make the real decisions can afford to get any procedure for themselves or their family. They got theirs, let the crazy preachers keep the hordes of useful idiots in line however they want. When their daughters used to get knocked up before they'd been properly married to another rich family, it was either a vacation to Mexico for an abortion or a an 'illness' that took them about 9 months to get over.

Some of the wealthy care about poor women's access to healthcare, I'm sure. But look at how much money the top 1% and especially the top .1-.01% of the wealthy can earn under Republican policies rather than the sane rates the Democrats (say they) want to enact. The difference is staggering and more than enough to cause even relatively-moral people to rationalize away all the damage that's being done to the country.

In the face of the kind of problems that women are going to face if the current Republican party is allowed to control all 3 branches of government again, I'll cut the teacher a little slack as a human and a woman and hope that she's able to keep her retirement after she gets torn apart by our liberal media.
2012-10-07 09:13:40 PM  
1 votes:

indylaw: cman: loveblondieo: Here's another article naming the teacher and reporting on some of the backlash she's gotten.

FTA: Sophomore Samantha Pawlucy said Gaymon called her out for wearing the shirt and told her it was analogous to the teacher, who is black, wearing a KKK shirt.

Jesus, a teacher said this?

We all know that we can always take the uncorroborated word of a partisan child hack as gospel.

[i278.photobucket.com image 515x386]


Yeah it usually ends badly.
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2012-10-07 08:55:03 PM  
1 votes:
Came for backwards B moron, leaving satisfied.

I will await direct corroboration before I exert any energy on outrage. The word of a republican, by itself, is worth nothing.
2012-10-07 08:53:11 PM  
1 votes:

abb3w: Mikey1969: I AM curious about what has led a 16 year old to decide on a Presidential candidate, though.

From another article, Romney's stance on late term abortions, apparently.


From your link
He said he recently registered to vote as an independent but was not involved in the Romney campaign. What the hell why would he volunteer that wasn't involved in the Romney campaign?
2012-10-07 08:45:06 PM  
1 votes:
The biggest concern should be from the Romney camp for wearing an obvious counterfeit.

I AM curious about what has led a 16 year old to decide on a Presidential candidate, though. Quick show of hands: How many here think she made this decision independently, and how many think she "supports" Romney/Ryan because her parents told her to?

The story itself is kind of light on details. Is this a district or school dress code thing? Also, are there any other kids in political shirts? The Read the original report link takes you to the same story, word for word, which is no help at all.

No, the teacher shouldn't have said this, but for the girl to be "so embarrassed by the public criticism in front of her classmates that she told her parents she didn't want to return to school.", I smell an excuse to stay home.
2012-10-07 08:35:30 PM  
1 votes:
Everyone knows that when the Klan was politically important, they were all Democrats.
2012-10-07 08:26:15 PM  
1 votes:

Lionel Mandrake: You sound oppressed.


This is the argument against funding education. It creates educated people, which in turn vote for liebruls.

There's so many things wrong with it that you can't really address any one point alone.
2012-10-07 08:23:54 PM  
1 votes:

darkedgefan: No surprise here. I am sure 90% of college professors vote for Dems... Does anyone dispute that? I wonder how high it is for High School teachers? 75%?? I love those "tolerant" liberals.


You sound oppressed.
2012-10-07 08:22:29 PM  
1 votes:

DubyaHater: I guarantee if she was wearing an Obama/Biden t-shirt, everyone in this thread would be crying racism.


I guarantee you're wrong.

So there.
2012-10-07 08:20:07 PM  
1 votes:
No surprise here. I am sure 90% of college professors vote for Dems... Does anyone dispute that? I wonder how high it is for High School teachers? 75%?? I love those "tolerant" liberals.

And now for my favorite shows tonight. Simpsons, Family Guy and American Dad. go figure...
2012-10-07 08:19:38 PM  
1 votes:
.Ric Romero reporting: Stupid high school kids often take after their parents when liking morons like Mitt Romney.

The girl will realize, after four years of college, that the GOP hates her uterus and is composed of morons. unfortunately, that's in the future.

If I'm honest, I would not eject her out of class. I would laugh at her stupidity for supporting the worst presidential candidate in the last 30 years. Hell, I laugh at suckers who put farking bumper stickers on their car for that loser.
2012-10-07 07:47:58 PM  
1 votes:

Lorelle: If the kid doesn't understand the potential consequences of wearing such a shirt, perhaps she shouldn't wear it in the first place. It's quite obvious that her parents put her up to it.


I hope you're trolling. There should be no potential consequences for wearing "such a shirt" unless it defies an explicit universal dress code for everyone.

i.imgur.com

Wore this in the 1980's to Junior High school. No issues. Wore it once to my Civics's teacher's house with some friends. And there...I ran into some problems. But that's his house, after all.
vpb [TotalFark]
2012-10-07 07:26:01 PM  
1 votes:

jake_lex: vpb: I would take it with a grain of salt anyway. This sounds a lot like those stories where the pledge of allegiance and the flag are supposedly banned by evil liberal teachers.

Yeah, I'd only get offended in the slightest by this story if a kid were allowed to wear an Obama/Biden T-shirt. Which I bet they wouldn't be.


Well, I strongly suspect that clothing with political slogans is banned. I know that it is at many schools.
2012-10-07 06:40:43 PM  
1 votes:

Lorelle: "If it was a joke between two adults, I can take a joke like that but (my daughter) didn't know how to take it. She doesn't understand, she actually thinks she did something wrong," her father, Richard Pawlucy, said.

If the kid doesn't understand the potential consequences of wearing such a shirt, perhaps she shouldn't wear it in the first place.

It's quite obvious that her parents put her up to it.


Going to the media kinda gave it away that the whole thing was just an AW bid.
2012-10-07 06:15:14 PM  
1 votes:
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2012-10-07 05:47:06 PM  
1 votes:
z.about.com

Another victim.
2012-10-07 05:46:43 PM  
1 votes:
You realize we are assuming the parent who went to the media is being honest about the KKK bit, right?
2012-10-07 05:41:24 PM  
1 votes:
Much as I'm not a fan of Romney/Ryan, I think comparing them to the KKK is ridiculous. That's not right.
If someone wants to wear a R/R shirt or an Obama/Biden shirt, who cares? What does it matter?
2012-10-07 05:38:02 PM  
1 votes:
You know, I have an opinion on this. But I'm pretty drunk right now and probably shouldn't say it.
2012-10-07 05:27:44 PM  
1 votes:

Just Another OC Homeless Guy: Dress codes. How wurk?


This was on a school dress down day when students could wear what they want.

/reading comprehension. How does that work for you? (apparently not very good)
2012-10-07 05:20:21 PM  
1 votes:
Them Juggalos and their crazy fashion statements.
2012-10-07 05:18:39 PM  
1 votes:
...her teacher told her to remove a Mitt Romney T-shirt she was wearing, comparing it to "wearing a KKK shirt."

i159.photobucket.com
2012-10-07 05:07:02 PM  
1 votes:

loveblondieo: Here's another article naming the teacher and reporting on some of the backlash she's gotten.


FTA: Sophomore Samantha Pawlucy said Gaymon called her out for wearing the shirt and told her it was analogous to the teacher, who is black, wearing a KKK shirt.

Jesus, a teacher said this?
2012-10-07 05:01:50 PM  
1 votes:

FloydA: I have a very, very strong suspicion that we are not hearing the full story here.

the teacher asked me... 'Are your parents Republican?' I said, 'I don't know.'

So either, you as a high school kid are astute enough to have a preference for presidential candidates but not inquisitive enough to know which candidates your parents support

OR

Your parents bought you the shirt and told you to wear it to school and try to make a scene, and you really don't have any understanding of or interest in the issues or candidates.

From what I know of high school kids, I know which way I would bet.


I'd go for option 3: she is an attention whore who used up the last of her "suicide attempt" excuses to get attention
2012-10-07 04:55:43 PM  
1 votes:
This concerns me as much as the War on Christmas and Obamaphones.
2012-10-07 04:44:48 PM  
1 votes:

vpb: I would take it with a grain of salt anyway. This sounds a lot like those stories where the pledge of allegiance and the flag are supposedly banned by evil liberal teachers.


Yeah, I'd only get offended in the slightest by this story if a kid were allowed to wear an Obama/Biden T-shirt. Which I bet they wouldn't be.
2012-10-07 04:40:56 PM  
1 votes:
Meh, I'll wait to get outraged by this in a Fw: fw: FW: Fw: Fw: fw: FW: email
 
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