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2012-10-07 03:43:51 PM
Dress codes. How wurk?
 
vpb [TotalFark]
2012-10-07 03:53:28 PM
I would take it with a grain of salt anyway. This sounds a lot like those stories where the pledge of allegiance and the flag are supposedly banned by evil liberal teachers.
 
2012-10-07 04:24:16 PM
She was then picked up by DHS and sent to the FEMA re-education camp. That filthy trollup will learn our ways!
 
2012-10-07 04:40:56 PM
Meh, I'll wait to get outraged by this in a Fw: fw: FW: Fw: Fw: fw: FW: email
 
2012-10-07 04:44:48 PM

vpb: I would take it with a grain of salt anyway. This sounds a lot like those stories where the pledge of allegiance and the flag are supposedly banned by evil liberal teachers.


Yeah, I'd only get offended in the slightest by this story if a kid were allowed to wear an Obama/Biden T-shirt. Which I bet they wouldn't be.
 
2012-10-07 04:49:20 PM

vpb: This sounds a lot like those stories where the pledge of allegiance and the flag are supposedly banned by evil liberal teachers.


Here, however, the principal made the teacher apologize, and there's an investigation ongoing. The kid has the right to wear the T-shirt; the teacher was in the wrong, and should get some remedial training on the bounds of student freedom of expression.

That said, the political right will have fun hyping this up as an infringement of student rights. For contrast, the reaction by the right wingers at the Blaze over the "Jesus is not a homophobe" T-shirt back in April.
 
2012-10-07 04:55:43 PM
This concerns me as much as the War on Christmas and Obamaphones.
 
2012-10-07 04:55:44 PM

abb3w: vpb: This sounds a lot like those stories where the pledge of allegiance and the flag are supposedly banned by evil liberal teachers.

Here, however, the principal made the teacher apologize, and there's an investigation ongoing. The kid has the right to wear the T-shirt; the teacher was in the wrong, and should get some remedial training on the bounds of student freedom of expression.

That said, the political right will have fun hyping this up as an infringement of student rights. For contrast, the reaction by the right wingers at the Blaze over the "Jesus is not a homophobe" T-shirt back in April.


so basically it's ok to wear pro-conservative tee shirts to class, but 'bong hits for jesus' ain't gonna happen...?
 
2012-10-07 04:57:58 PM
I have a very, very strong suspicion that we are not hearing the full story here.

the teacher asked me... 'Are your parents Republican?' I said, 'I don't know.'

So either, you as a high school kid are astute enough to have a preference for presidential candidates but not inquisitive enough to know which candidates your parents support

OR

Your parents bought you the shirt and told you to wear it to school and try to make a scene, and you really don't have any understanding of or interest in the issues or candidates.

From what I know of high school kids, I know which way I would bet.
 
2012-10-07 04:59:34 PM
Rumor has it on a site whose name I forgot from a certain poster that the kid was sent to Guantanamo. Disgusting. We used to send terrorists there. Now we send Republicans.
 
2012-10-07 05:00:41 PM
she actually thinks she did something wrong

Do you mean wrong legally or wrong for society? The answer matters.
 
2012-10-07 05:00:57 PM
In other news, kids apparently still have 1st Amendment Privleges in school.
 
2012-10-07 05:01:50 PM

FloydA: I have a very, very strong suspicion that we are not hearing the full story here.

the teacher asked me... 'Are your parents Republican?' I said, 'I don't know.'

So either, you as a high school kid are astute enough to have a preference for presidential candidates but not inquisitive enough to know which candidates your parents support

OR

Your parents bought you the shirt and told you to wear it to school and try to make a scene, and you really don't have any understanding of or interest in the issues or candidates.

From what I know of high school kids, I know which way I would bet.


I'd go for option 3: she is an attention whore who used up the last of her "suicide attempt" excuses to get attention
 
2012-10-07 05:04:07 PM
Here's another article naming the teacher and reporting on some of the backlash she's gotten.
 
2012-10-07 05:07:02 PM

loveblondieo: Here's another article naming the teacher and reporting on some of the backlash she's gotten.


FTA: Sophomore Samantha Pawlucy said Gaymon called her out for wearing the shirt and told her it was analogous to the teacher, who is black, wearing a KKK shirt.

Jesus, a teacher said this?
 
2012-10-07 05:08:33 PM

cman: loveblondieo: Here's another article naming the teacher and reporting on some of the backlash she's gotten.

FTA: Sophomore Samantha Pawlucy said Gaymon called her out for wearing the shirt and told her it was analogous to the teacher, who is black, wearing a KKK shirt.

Jesus, a teacher said this?


Before anyone takes my comment the wrong way, I would like to point out that my context was about professionalism.
 
2012-10-07 05:13:32 PM

cman: loveblondieo: Here's another article naming the teacher and reporting on some of the backlash she's gotten.

FTA: Sophomore Samantha Pawlucy said Gaymon called her out for wearing the shirt and told her it was analogous to the teacher, who is black, wearing a KKK shirt.

Jesus, a teacher said this?



Maybe. We have the student's mother's accusation, but I'm not sure that's sufficient evidence. Given my experiences, I'm pretty skeptical of the student's claim, and far more skeptical of her mother's accusation. If the teacher said that, she was being stupid, but I'm not ready to convict just yet.
 
2012-10-07 05:14:03 PM
Here's some local news that didn't get up to the MSM. Guess it depends which news outline picks up the story, huh?

High school girl who supports GLBT equality gets lectured in class by ROTC instructor about sins of homosexuality.
 
2012-10-07 05:18:39 PM
...her teacher told her to remove a Mitt Romney T-shirt she was wearing, comparing it to "wearing a KKK shirt."

i159.photobucket.com
 
2012-10-07 05:20:21 PM
Them Juggalos and their crazy fashion statements.
 
2012-10-07 05:27:44 PM

Just Another OC Homeless Guy: Dress codes. How wurk?


This was on a school dress down day when students could wear what they want.

/reading comprehension. How does that work for you? (apparently not very good)
 
2012-10-07 05:31:06 PM

AirForceVet: Here's some local news that didn't get up to the MSM. Guess it depends which news outline picks up the story, huh?

High school girl who supports GLBT equality gets lectured in class by ROTC instructor about sins of homosexuality.


are you saying ABC news is not part of the MSM?
I didn't know that.
 
2012-10-07 05:35:44 PM

AirForceVet: Here's some local news that didn't get up to the MSM. Guess it depends which news outline picks up the story, huh?

High school girl who supports GLBT equality gets lectured in class by ROTC instructor about sins of homosexuality.


To be fair, this happened 7 months ago and they have been working in good faith to resolve the situation. This article, however, is current.`
 
2012-10-07 05:36:29 PM

tenpoundsofcheese: AirForceVet: Here's some local news that didn't get up to the MSM. Guess it depends which news outline picks up the story, huh?

High school girl who supports GLBT equality gets lectured in class by ROTC instructor about sins of homosexuality.

are you saying ABC news is not part of the MSM?
I didn't know that.


Apparently you don't know the difference between a multi-national news corporation and a local affiliate, either
 
2012-10-07 05:38:02 PM
You know, I have an opinion on this. But I'm pretty drunk right now and probably shouldn't say it.
 
2012-10-07 05:41:24 PM
Much as I'm not a fan of Romney/Ryan, I think comparing them to the KKK is ridiculous. That's not right.
If someone wants to wear a R/R shirt or an Obama/Biden shirt, who cares? What does it matter?
 
2012-10-07 05:46:22 PM

tenpoundsofcheese: Just Another OC Homeless Guy: Dress codes. How wurk?

This was on a school dress down day when students could wear what they want.

/reading comprehension. How does that work for you? (apparently not very good)


DRTFA
 
2012-10-07 05:46:43 PM
You realize we are assuming the parent who went to the media is being honest about the KKK bit, right?
 
2012-10-07 05:47:06 PM
z.about.com

Another victim.
 
2012-10-07 05:54:34 PM

cman: cman: loveblondieo: Here's another article naming the teacher and reporting on some of the backlash she's gotten.

FTA: Sophomore Samantha Pawlucy said Gaymon called her out for wearing the shirt and told her it was analogous to the teacher, who is black, wearing a KKK shirt.

Jesus, a teacher said this?

Before anyone takes my comment the wrong way, I would like to point out that my context was about professionalism.


Eh, I forgot about the Mormon stance on slavery. Still, pretty thin from my perspective
 
2012-10-07 05:55:00 PM

OtherLittleGuy: In other news, kids apparently still have 1st Amendment Privleges in school.


That is incorrect.

See comment below.

Weaver95: o basically it's ok to wear pro-conservative tee shirts to class, but 'bong hits for jesus' ain't gonna happen...?

 
2012-10-07 06:01:16 PM
Is this the same kid that was greenlit a few days ago, or a different kid?
 
2012-10-07 06:06:45 PM
I think the teacher was trying to say "You, as a female, should support people who do not want to oppress you. It would be similar to me, an African American, supporting the KKK."

/Not sure.
//DNRTFA.
///not a democrat FWIW
 
2012-10-07 06:12:55 PM

Mike_LowELL: Rumor has it on a site whose name I forgot from a certain poster that the kid was sent to Guantanamo. Disgusting. We used to send terrorists there. Now we send Republicans.


That's redundant.
 
2012-10-07 06:15:14 PM
You'reNotHelping.jpg
 
2012-10-07 06:35:23 PM
"If it was a joke between two adults, I can take a joke like that but (my daughter) didn't know how to take it. She doesn't understand, she actually thinks she did something wrong," her father, Richard Pawlucy, said.

If the kid doesn't understand the potential consequences of wearing such a shirt, perhaps she shouldn't wear it in the first place.

It's quite obvious that her parents put her up to it.
 
2012-10-07 06:40:43 PM

Lorelle: "If it was a joke between two adults, I can take a joke like that but (my daughter) didn't know how to take it. She doesn't understand, she actually thinks she did something wrong," her father, Richard Pawlucy, said.

If the kid doesn't understand the potential consequences of wearing such a shirt, perhaps she shouldn't wear it in the first place.

It's quite obvious that her parents put her up to it.


Going to the media kinda gave it away that the whole thing was just an AW bid.
 
2012-10-07 06:41:03 PM

Lionel Mandrake: tenpoundsofcheese: AirForceVet: Here's some local news that didn't get up to the MSM. Guess it depends which news outline picks up the story, huh?

High school girl who supports GLBT equality gets lectured in class by ROTC instructor about sins of homosexuality.

are you saying ABC news is not part of the MSM?
I didn't know that.

Apparently you don't know the difference between a multi-national news corporation and a local affiliate, either


ABC news covered it.
They are main stream
They are media

get over it.
stop being so persecuted.
 
2012-10-07 07:10:57 PM

Because People in power are Stupid: [z.about.com image 450x337]

Another victim.


Came for this.
 
2012-10-07 07:22:17 PM
teacher tell student to remove shirt

Was she hot???
 
2012-10-07 07:23:31 PM

tenpoundsofcheese: Lionel Mandrake: tenpoundsofcheese: AirForceVet: Here's some local news that didn't get up to the MSM. Guess it depends which news outline picks up the story, huh?

High school girl who supports GLBT equality gets lectured in class by ROTC instructor about sins of homosexuality.

are you saying ABC news is not part of the MSM?
I didn't know that.

Apparently you don't know the difference between a multi-national news corporation and a local affiliate, either

ABC news covered it.
They are main stream
They are media

get over it.
stop being so persecuted.


If you have an actual link to the article, on abc.com, I'd love to see it, but you were referring to the linked article from a local affiliate, so, yeah...

It's OK to admit you're wrong, sweetheart.
 
vpb [TotalFark]
2012-10-07 07:26:01 PM

jake_lex: vpb: I would take it with a grain of salt anyway. This sounds a lot like those stories where the pledge of allegiance and the flag are supposedly banned by evil liberal teachers.

Yeah, I'd only get offended in the slightest by this story if a kid were allowed to wear an Obama/Biden T-shirt. Which I bet they wouldn't be.


Well, I strongly suspect that clothing with political slogans is banned. I know that it is at many schools.
 
2012-10-07 07:38:54 PM
I have several students that wear Romney/Ryan t-shirts to my classes. No one's had any issues or told me about conflicts with other faculty. One of my graders is a Ron Paul fan and one of my best students last spring was a big Santorum fan. If you can't get past the fact that your students might have political opinions of their own and separate that out, that's a mark against your professionalism whether at the secondary, primary or collegiate level.
 
2012-10-07 07:39:43 PM

Lionel Mandrake: tenpoundsofcheese: Lionel Mandrake: tenpoundsofcheese: AirForceVet: Here's some local news that didn't get up to the MSM. Guess it depends which news outline picks up the story, huh?

High school girl who supports GLBT equality gets lectured in class by ROTC instructor about sins of homosexuality.

are you saying ABC news is not part of the MSM?
I didn't know that.

Apparently you don't know the difference between a multi-national news corporation and a local affiliate, either

ABC news covered it.
They are main stream
They are media

get over it.
stop being so persecuted.

If you have an actual link to the article, on abc.com, I'd love to see it, but you were referring to the linked article from a local affiliate, so, yeah...

It's OK to admit you're wrong, sweetheart.


You are lying again.
I never said abc.com
 
2012-10-07 07:41:13 PM

tenpoundsofcheese: You are lying again.
I never said abc.com



Well, even if you can't admit it to yourself, I won't hold it against you.

Troll on, li'l buddy
 
2012-10-07 07:47:58 PM

Lorelle: If the kid doesn't understand the potential consequences of wearing such a shirt, perhaps she shouldn't wear it in the first place. It's quite obvious that her parents put her up to it.


I hope you're trolling. There should be no potential consequences for wearing "such a shirt" unless it defies an explicit universal dress code for everyone.

i.imgur.com

Wore this in the 1980's to Junior High school. No issues. Wore it once to my Civics's teacher's house with some friends. And there...I ran into some problems. But that's his house, after all.
 
2012-10-07 07:53:19 PM

Somacandra: I hope you're trolling. There should be no potential consequences for wearing "such a shirt" unless it defies an explicit universal dress code for everyone.

[i.imgur.com image 500x323]

Wore this in the 1980's to Junior High school. No issues. Wore it once to my Civics's teacher's house with some friends. And there...I ran into some problems. But that's his house, after all.


Nope. I didn't say that the kid should be prohibited from wearing her Romney shirt to school, but if you're going to wear something that bears controversial words or images, don't be surprised if some people react negatively. Crying to your mother, "WAAAAAH! My teacher didn't like my shirt!" is ridiculous.
 
2012-10-07 07:55:54 PM

Somacandra: I hope you're trolling. There should be no potential consequences for wearing "such a shirt" unless it defies an explicit universal dress code for everyone.


Which it obviously did.

When I was at the nude beach, I could rock out with my cock out. When I'm on the subway here in the city, very different rules apply.

When you're in junior high in the 80's wearing a shirt that was about events over 40 years old at that point, that's a very different situation than a girl in the 2012 wearing a political shirt from the current election cycle.

If you'd have worn your clever little shirt to school in 1949, I would expect your reception to be less warm at school, especially if your teacher was a vet.
 
vpb [TotalFark]
2012-10-07 07:59:45 PM

cman: loveblondieo: Here's another article naming the teacher and reporting on some of the backlash she's gotten.

FTA: Sophomore Samantha Pawlucy said Gaymon called her out for wearing the shirt and told her it was analogous to the teacher, who is black, wearing a KKK shirt.

Jesus, a teacher said this?


Yes. Right wingers never lie or embellish. Ever.
 
2012-10-07 08:00:20 PM

Mike_LowELL: Rumor has it on a site whose name I forgot from a certain poster that the kid was sent to Guantanamo. Disgusting. We used to send terrorists there. Now we send Republicans.


If only....
 
2012-10-07 08:04:51 PM
There isn't enough info here to really tell what the motivation was for wearing it, complaining about it, or what one said or the other said.

Maybe it was the only pink shirt she could find for the start of Breast Cancer Awareness month.

In which case, some fundies would be complaining about exposing their children to the implicit pornography (BREASTS!!!)

j/k...maybe
 
2012-10-07 08:05:15 PM

Just Another OC Homeless Guy: Dress codes. How wurk?


Dress down Fridays, how work?

Reading comprehension, how work?

Idiocy, you work gud!
 
2012-10-07 08:05:35 PM
You, you, and you. Your clothing offends me. Remove it immediately!

/and then come to my quarters.
//After bathing, of course.
 
2012-10-07 08:10:06 PM

abb3w: Here, however, the principal made the teacher apologize, and there's an investigation ongoing.


You've no evidence for the proposition that the principal made the teacher apologize. At least not from this article. It's possible the teacher sincerely felt bad about what may very well have been a genuine misunderstanding.

It isn't that difficult imagine a teacher adopting a faux over-the-top tone and saying those things in jest. I said out loud, for example, that "my son can be gay if we wants, or religious if he wants, or whatever the hell he wants. Except a Republican. I'll disown him if he's a Republican."

I obviously don't mean it. Clearly I'll disown him for being religious too.

j/k

See how that works?

I love my boy unconditionally. I wouldn't disown him under any circumstances. But I can already see the headline if some biased reporter with a right-wing agenda got ahold of those words in a story worth reporting them: "Bigoted Liberal Threatens to Disown Son for Being Religious, Republican."
 
2012-10-07 08:11:53 PM

bugontherug: abb3w: Here, however, the principal made the teacher apologize, and there's an investigation ongoing.

You've no evidence for the proposition that the principal made the teacher apologize. At least not from this article. It's possible the teacher sincerely felt bad about what may very well have been a genuine misunderstanding.

It isn't that difficult imagine a teacher adopting a faux over-the-top tone and saying those things in jest. I said out loud, for example, that "my son can be gay if we wants, or religious if he wants, or whatever the hell he wants. Except a Republican. I'll disown him if he's a Republican."

I obviously don't mean it. Clearly I'll disown him for being religious too.

j/k

See how that works?

I love my boy unconditionally. I wouldn't disown him under any circumstances. But I can already see the headline if some biased reporter with a right-wing agenda got ahold of those words in a story worth reporting them: "Bigoted Liberal Threatens to Disown Son for Being Religious, Republican."


And to be clear, we have good evidence the teacher really was joking: the article does not report that the teacher actually required the student to change her shirt.
 
2012-10-07 08:13:00 PM
I guarantee if she was wearing an Obama/Biden t-shirt, everyone in this thread would be crying racism.
/Obama voter
//the bias on this website is quite obvious
///welcome to Fark, blah blah blah
 
2012-10-07 08:19:25 PM

NewportBarGuy: She was then picked up by DHS and sent to the FEMA re-education camp. That filthy trollup will learn our ways!


I think you mean that pure, abstinent, Conservative, mother-of-ten-future-soldiers will learn to be a trollop!
 
2012-10-07 08:19:38 PM
.Ric Romero reporting: Stupid high school kids often take after their parents when liking morons like Mitt Romney.

The girl will realize, after four years of college, that the GOP hates her uterus and is composed of morons. unfortunately, that's in the future.

If I'm honest, I would not eject her out of class. I would laugh at her stupidity for supporting the worst presidential candidate in the last 30 years. Hell, I laugh at suckers who put farking bumper stickers on their car for that loser.
 
2012-10-07 08:20:07 PM
No surprise here. I am sure 90% of college professors vote for Dems... Does anyone dispute that? I wonder how high it is for High School teachers? 75%?? I love those "tolerant" liberals.

And now for my favorite shows tonight. Simpsons, Family Guy and American Dad. go figure...
 
2012-10-07 08:21:41 PM
The teacher meant it as a joke? I can't come up with any possible situation where that conversation or any statement within it was funny. That has to be one of the most transparent excuses I think I've ever heard.

Personally, I think voting Republican IS like supporting the KKK...just because right wing bigotry has a new target (sexual orientation and women rather than race) doesn't make it any better.

That said, the teacher's attempt to stifle free speech had no place in a classroom, and the teacher's pathetic excuse was exactly that...pathetic.
 
2012-10-07 08:22:29 PM

DubyaHater: I guarantee if she was wearing an Obama/Biden t-shirt, everyone in this thread would be crying racism.


I guarantee you're wrong.

So there.
 
2012-10-07 08:23:20 PM

DubyaHater: I guarantee if she was wearing an Obama/Biden t-shirt, everyone in this thread would be crying racism.


See, your little post would be believable/not so much of a troll if you hadn't trotted out the "Racism" line.

People here claim racism when the only other logical alternative is that the subject in question is mind-numbingly stupid, such that Racism itself is the benefit of the doubt.

Or when it really is racism (i.e. Tea Party "Obama is our black plague!" signs and "I can't be racist! I have token black friend!" and so on)

Bugger off with the horseshiat.
 
2012-10-07 08:23:33 PM
I smell a lawsuit - the KKK aren't going to be happy about this comparison at all.
 
2012-10-07 08:23:54 PM

darkedgefan: No surprise here. I am sure 90% of college professors vote for Dems... Does anyone dispute that? I wonder how high it is for High School teachers? 75%?? I love those "tolerant" liberals.


You sound oppressed.
 
2012-10-07 08:26:15 PM

Lionel Mandrake: You sound oppressed.


This is the argument against funding education. It creates educated people, which in turn vote for liebruls.

There's so many things wrong with it that you can't really address any one point alone.
 
2012-10-07 08:26:38 PM
Sure you can throw the kid out, but did you have to carve the "B" into her cheek with a sharp object? Or maybe I'm thinking of a different faux-outrage moment from the GOP? It's hard to keep track of all of them.
 
2012-10-07 08:26:47 PM
IF THIS REALLY HAPPENED and isn't a made-up vignette, then as a Democrat I am bothered by the teacher's remark/reaction, even in jest. The student was inoffensively expressing a political opinion. She wasn't Drowning Puppies for Romney.

Heck, if she's not embarrassed to be wearing the shirt, I say let her wear it.
 
2012-10-07 08:27:19 PM

Bio-nic: Just Another OC Homeless Guy: Dress codes. How wurk?

Dress down Fridays, how work?

Reading comprehension, how work?

Idiocy, you work gud!


Well, YOU obviously have some reading comprehension issues. Or maybe you just didn't read all the comments cause you were just too close to having a posting orgasm?

Posting waaaaaay back in the thread, 2 1/4 hours ago:


"Just Another OC Homeless Guy [TotalFark] 2012-10-07 05:46:22 PM
tenpoundsofcheese: Just Another OC Homeless Guy: Dress codes. How wurk?

This was on a school dress down day when students could wear what they want.
/reading comprehension. How does that work for you? (apparently not very good)

DRTFA"

Dumbass: YOU
 
2012-10-07 08:27:55 PM
Despite how much I detest the Romney/Ryan ticket... this story really bothers me.

CSB time: spent three years with a girl whose family was ultra-ultra-partisan Democrat. Like to the point that her sister called me a "baby killer" when I came home in uniform. It took an extreme turn at the '04 election, when even her 8 year old brother couldn't get through a dinner without parroting "Bush is such an idiot."

At that moment, I swore my own children would never be indoctrinated like that. Now, when my 5 year old comes out and sees us laughing at Jon Stewart, we explain to her that everyone in this country gets to vote. And we personally think the president we have now is much better than Romney, but it's okay when other people disagree with us.

Obviously she'll pick up (or specifically rebel against) many of our biases just by being around us. But I'll be damned if my child will become a blind cult follower - even if it's my cult.

Back to the story - the student may just be AWing (both by wearing the shirt and by making a big deal out of this), but the teacher handled it really poorly. If a teacher wants to meddle politically, take 15 minutes out of your curriculum and encourage your students to have a structured debate. Especially on the topic of support for public education.
 
2012-10-07 08:28:01 PM

Lionel Mandrake: DubyaHater: I guarantee if she was wearing an Obama/Biden t-shirt, everyone in this thread would be crying racism.

I guarantee you're wrong.

So there.


I would actually be sobbing racism, not really crying it.
 
2012-10-07 08:28:30 PM
 
2012-10-07 08:30:22 PM
This story smells like horse shiat. I'm betting we aren't hearing the whole story at all.
 
2012-10-07 08:32:15 PM
they could wear what they want

There's still limits. Obviously they'll still be kicked out for going in a one-piece or wearing a pot leaf or clothes made of cut-up American flags.

Whether the rules for dress-down day cover politics or not is unknown.

All we do know is that it's serious farking business.
 
2012-10-07 08:32:45 PM
Ahem. Here's how this works.
What the teacher did was wrong. [stop]

\[stop] Stop means stop, like no means no and wrong means wrong.
\\ keep score later. you'll get your chance
 
2012-10-07 08:34:09 PM
Ummm the teacher admitted to doing it and "apologized".

No fakery this time. Sorry.
 
2012-10-07 08:35:30 PM
Everyone knows that when the Klan was politically important, they were all Democrats.
 
2012-10-07 08:36:38 PM

Lionel Mandrake: tenpoundsofcheese: Lionel Mandrake: tenpoundsofcheese: AirForceVet: Here's some local news that didn't get up to the MSM. Guess it depends which news outline picks up the story, huh?

High school girl who supports GLBT equality gets lectured in class by ROTC instructor about sins of homosexuality.

are you saying ABC news is not part of the MSM?
I didn't know that.

Apparently you don't know the difference between a multi-national news corporation and a local affiliate, either

ABC news covered it.
They are main stream
They are media

get over it.
stop being so persecuted.

If you have an actual link to the article, on abc.com, I'd love to see it, but you were referring to the linked article from a local affiliate, so, yeah...

It's OK to admit you're wrong, sweetheart.


Yes, "multi-national" news organizations typically cover dress choose issues on a cade by case basis.

I agree, quit pretending you're getting persecuted
 
2012-10-07 08:38:10 PM

ruinevil: Everyone knows that when the Klan was politically important, they were all Democrats.


Then they found a party that would cater to them.
 
2012-10-07 08:38:19 PM
DubyaHater
I guarantee if she was wearing an Obama/Biden t-shirt, everyone in this thread would be crying racism.
/Obama voter
//the bias on this website is quite obvious

It follows momentum. From the time Bush Jr. won reelection until his ratings hit the 20s, liberal voices were pretty quiet on Fark.
 
2012-10-07 08:38:59 PM

DubyaHater: I guarantee if she was wearing an Obama/Biden t-shirt, everyone in this thread would be crying racism.
/Obama voter
//the bias on this website is quite obvious



Only if the teacher also said something about Black Panthers or some other blah-related phrase.
/No
//Yes
 
2012-10-07 08:43:01 PM

Rich Cream: Bob Hope: Democrats=Zombies


Now I know why I see redneck assholes with Zombie killer stickers. I love the gun culture in his country. I hope they come after me someday. They'll have quite the surprise when I shoot back.
 
2012-10-07 08:43:59 PM
Did the teacher carve a "B" on her face?
 
2012-10-07 08:45:06 PM
The biggest concern should be from the Romney camp for wearing an obvious counterfeit.

I AM curious about what has led a 16 year old to decide on a Presidential candidate, though. Quick show of hands: How many here think she made this decision independently, and how many think she "supports" Romney/Ryan because her parents told her to?

The story itself is kind of light on details. Is this a district or school dress code thing? Also, are there any other kids in political shirts? The Read the original report link takes you to the same story, word for word, which is no help at all.

No, the teacher shouldn't have said this, but for the girl to be "so embarrassed by the public criticism in front of her classmates that she told her parents she didn't want to return to school.", I smell an excuse to stay home.
 
2012-10-07 08:46:20 PM

Weaver95: so basically it's ok to wear pro-conservative tee shirts to class, but 'bong hits for jesus' ain't gonna happen...?


Double standards are such fun...

bugontherug: You've no evidence for the proposition that the principal made the teacher apologize. At least not from this article.


The principal was at the meeting where the teacher apologized; this would at least be evidence, though not particularly compelling. However, there's other articles (EG) indicating the meeting was after the parents called and complained to the principal.

Whether the apology was sincere or was solely from coercion is a separate question; I agree, there's no data.
 
2012-10-07 08:48:48 PM

Mikey1969: I AM curious about what has led a 16 year old to decide on a Presidential candidate, though.


From another article, Romney's stance on late term abortions, apparently.
 
2012-10-07 08:49:11 PM

Mikey1969: The biggest concern should be from the Romney camp for wearing an obvious counterfeit.

I AM curious about what has led a 16 year old to decide on a Presidential candidate, though. Quick show of hands: How many here think she made this decision independently, and how many think she "supports" Romney/Ryan because her parents told her to?

The story itself is kind of light on details. Is this a district or school dress code thing? Also, are there any other kids in political shirts? The Read the original report link takes you to the same story, word for word, which is no help at all.

No, the teacher shouldn't have said this, but for the girl to be "so embarrassed by the public criticism in front of her classmates that she told her parents she didn't want to return to school.", I smell an excuse to stay home.


But she doesn'teven know if her parents are Republicans according to the article.
 
2012-10-07 08:49:13 PM

cman: loveblondieo: Here's another article naming the teacher and reporting on some of the backlash she's gotten.

FTA: Sophomore Samantha Pawlucy said Gaymon called her out for wearing the shirt and told her it was analogous to the teacher, who is black, wearing a KKK shirt.

Jesus, a teacher said this?


We all know that we can always take the uncorroborated word of a partisan child hack as gospel.

i278.photobucket.com
 
2012-10-07 08:52:43 PM
I heard that she actually is in the KKK. And that she's easy.
 
2012-10-07 08:53:11 PM

abb3w: Mikey1969: I AM curious about what has led a 16 year old to decide on a Presidential candidate, though.

From another article, Romney's stance on late term abortions, apparently.


From your link
He said he recently registered to vote as an independent but was not involved in the Romney campaign. What the hell why would he volunteer that wasn't involved in the Romney campaign?
 
2012-10-07 08:55:03 PM
Came for backwards B moron, leaving satisfied.

I will await direct corroboration before I exert any energy on outrage. The word of a republican, by itself, is worth nothing.
 
2012-10-07 08:55:11 PM
Any Philadelphia Farkers, isn't Port Richmond a black neighborhood, I thought Fishtown was where the white people lived in North East Philly?
 
2012-10-07 08:55:25 PM
Sounds like a pretty typical American school in Obama's America.
 
2012-10-07 08:55:32 PM
Read this a few days ago.

Speaking as someone who thinks Mitt Romney will bring America into a thousand years of darkness, and with it the world -

This teacher was way out of line.
 
2012-10-07 08:56:31 PM
it must suck to grow up in such an area, with such teachers... the only ones losing out here are the kids... because regardless of whether or not the students have the freedom to "wear xy or z shirt" (totally irrelevant), this nincompoop is their teacher. let that sink in... this person, who is likely unable to read, is "teaching" the children of tomorrow. is they finna be learnin'?
 
2012-10-07 08:59:32 PM
You know how I know this is fake? Any kid who would wear a Romney t-shirt is clearly homeschooled.
 
2012-10-07 09:01:27 PM

proteus_b: it must suck to grow up in such an area, with such teachers... the only ones losing out here are the kids... because regardless of whether or not the students have the freedom to "wear xy or z shirt" (totally irrelevant), this nincompoop is their teacher. let that sink in... this person, who is likely unable to read, is "teaching" the children of tomorrow. is they finna be learnin'?


Why would you think this teacher is unable to read?
I can see outrage for this but where are you pulling this crap from, your ass?

By the way how could a person who doesn't read know it was a Romney/Ryan shirt.
 
2012-10-07 09:05:13 PM

Girl From The North Country: You know how I know this is fake? Any kid who would wear a Romney t-shirt is clearly homeschooled.



What about kids in Utah, bet there are only 70 kids in Utah who would wear an Obama shirt and they all live in Salt Lake City.
 
2012-10-07 09:05:26 PM

tenpoundsofcheese: Lionel Mandrake: tenpoundsofcheese: Lionel Mandrake: tenpoundsofcheese: AirForceVet: Here's some local news that didn't get up to the MSM. Guess it depends which news outline picks up the story, huh?

High school girl who supports GLBT equality gets lectured in class by ROTC instructor about sins of homosexuality.

are you saying ABC news is not part of the MSM?
I didn't know that.

Apparently you don't know the difference between a multi-national news corporation and a local affiliate, either

ABC news covered it.
They are main stream
They are media

get over it.
stop being so persecuted.

If you have an actual link to the article, on abc.com, I'd love to see it, but you were referring to the linked article from a local affiliate, so, yeah...

It's OK to admit you're wrong, sweetheart.

You are lying again.
I never said abc.com


Spin it harder Self Admitted Paid Troll and you might have Whirlpool nocking at your door.
 
2012-10-07 09:06:09 PM

OtherLittleGuy: In other news, kids apparently still have 1st Amendment Privleges in school.


I should hope so, It's at least as important as her right to get birth control without their parents knowledge which I'm 99 and 99/100ths percent positive you'd support.
 
2012-10-07 09:09:21 PM

Just Another OC Homeless Guy: Bio-nic: Just Another OC Homeless Guy: Dress codes. How wurk?

Dress down Fridays, how work?

Reading comprehension, how work?

Idiocy, you work gud!

Well, YOU obviously have some reading comprehension issues. Or maybe you just didn't read all the comments cause you were just too close to having a posting orgasm?

Posting waaaaaay back in the thread, 2 1/4 hours ago:


"Just Another OC Homeless Guy [TotalFark] 2012-10-07 05:46:22 PM
tenpoundsofcheese: Just Another OC Homeless Guy: Dress codes. How wurk?

This was on a school dress down day when students could wear what they want.
/reading comprehension. How does that work for you? (apparently not very good)

DRTFA"

Dumbass: YOU


I don't think you really have the credibility to call other people names after you were called out for a stupid comment and admit you never read the article. Just take it and shut up, as to not dig yourself an even deeper hole.
 
2012-10-07 09:12:36 PM

Girl From The North Country: You know how I know this is fake? Any kid who would wear a Romney t-shirt is clearly homeschooled.


I know a number of families who homeschool their kids - and its largely due to idiot teachers like this one. And they're liberals.

/and scientists in most cases
//homeschooling because local schools suck or full of fundies
///the more diverse the education options the better I say
 
2012-10-07 09:13:09 PM

abb3w: From another article, Romney's stance on late term abortions, apparently.


Does she not wear the shirt on weeks when he is pro-choice? You can't help but wonder in situations like this. Do people scrape off and re-apply Romney bumper stickers when he changes his mind?
 
2012-10-07 09:13:40 PM

indylaw: cman: loveblondieo: Here's another article naming the teacher and reporting on some of the backlash she's gotten.

FTA: Sophomore Samantha Pawlucy said Gaymon called her out for wearing the shirt and told her it was analogous to the teacher, who is black, wearing a KKK shirt.

Jesus, a teacher said this?

We all know that we can always take the uncorroborated word of a partisan child hack as gospel.

[i278.photobucket.com image 515x386]


Yeah it usually ends badly.
3.bp.blogspot.com
 
2012-10-07 09:19:59 PM

Stoj: I think the teacher was trying to say "You, as a female, should support people who do not want to oppress you. It would be similar to me, an African American, supporting the KKK."

/Not sure.
//DNRTFA.
///not a democrat FWIW


This was my take as well.

Republicans' social agenda has been cropped directly from A Handmaiden's Tale because the super-rich who make the real decisions can afford to get any procedure for themselves or their family. They got theirs, let the crazy preachers keep the hordes of useful idiots in line however they want. When their daughters used to get knocked up before they'd been properly married to another rich family, it was either a vacation to Mexico for an abortion or a an 'illness' that took them about 9 months to get over.

Some of the wealthy care about poor women's access to healthcare, I'm sure. But look at how much money the top 1% and especially the top .1-.01% of the wealthy can earn under Republican policies rather than the sane rates the Democrats (say they) want to enact. The difference is staggering and more than enough to cause even relatively-moral people to rationalize away all the damage that's being done to the country.

In the face of the kind of problems that women are going to face if the current Republican party is allowed to control all 3 branches of government again, I'll cut the teacher a little slack as a human and a woman and hope that she's able to keep her retirement after she gets torn apart by our liberal media.
 
2012-10-07 09:20:22 PM

Mikey1969: Do people scrape off and re-apply Romney bumper stickers when he changes his mind?


You talk like they're voting for Romney because he's Romney.
 
2012-10-07 09:20:42 PM

DubyaHater: I guarantee if she was wearing an Obama/Biden t-shirt, everyone in this thread would be crying racism.
/Obama voter
//the bias on this website is quite obvious
///welcome to Fark, blah blah blah


Don't brother. They can't see that they are just different side of the same coin. I honestly doubt there would be anyone here calling the student an "AW" and "parents put her up to it to stir shiat" if the shirt was Obama/Biden. It is amazing how much Fark posts would look right at home on freerepublic if you just switch the political ideology.

As someone who is liberal on most issues, I don't want partisan naming-calling hacks representing my beliefs. If you can't respect and try to understand why people have different views than you, you are just a punk who thinks he has got the world all figured out.
 
2012-10-07 09:23:05 PM

vpb: cman: loveblondieo: Here's another article naming the teacher and reporting on some of the backlash she's gotten.

FTA: Sophomore Samantha Pawlucy said Gaymon called her out for wearing the shirt and told her it was analogous to the teacher, who is black, wearing a KKK shirt.

Jesus, a teacher said this?

Yes. Right wingers never lie or embellish. Ever.


So that makes it right to excuse what the teacher said? can you just farkin admit the teacher was wrong already, You're not going to be persecuted for not apologizing for a liberals asshatteness every now and then.
 
2012-10-07 09:24:31 PM

Mikey1969: abb3w: From another article, Romney's stance on late term abortions, apparently.

Does she not wear the shirt on weeks when he is pro-choice? You can't help but wonder in situations like this. Do people scrape off and re-apply Romney bumper stickers when he changes his mind?


No they just put their fingers in their ears and go la-la-la.
 
2012-10-07 09:31:07 PM
Teacher should get a Hero tag for this one. The truth hurts, and the sooner this kid realizes it the better adjusted she'll be in life. When Romney has a place in his hunting ranch called N*ggerhead" it's hard to argue against the racism.
 
2012-10-07 09:31:43 PM

jmadisonbiii: indylaw: cman: loveblondieo: Here's another article naming the teacher and reporting on some of the backlash she's gotten.

FTA: Sophomore Samantha Pawlucy said Gaymon called her out for wearing the shirt and told her it was analogous to the teacher, who is black, wearing a KKK shirt.

Jesus, a teacher said this?

We all know that we can always take the uncorroborated word of a partisan child hack as gospel.

[i278.photobucket.com image 515x386]

Yeah it usually ends badly.
[3.bp.blogspot.com image 400x300]


Is that supposed to be a rebuttal or something? I can't stand Al Sharpton.
 
2012-10-07 09:34:08 PM
Snowflake was humiliated. We need a full investigation. A true hate crime. Somebody call Desmond Tutu and check his schedule. We need towels and hot water, and generators and a six month food supply and a communication console. Let's move, people. The fate of the free world is in our...

Wait. I just got word het parents don't pay federal income tax. You believe that? Fark that biatch.
 
2012-10-07 09:35:13 PM

ParagonComplex: Teacher should get a Hero tag for this one. The truth hurts, and the sooner this kid realizes it the better adjusted she'll be in life. When Romney has a place in his hunting ranch called N*ggerhead" it's hard to argue against the racism.


You'd have to be dumb as hell to mix up Mitt Romney and Rick Perry.
 
2012-10-07 09:35:33 PM

ParagonComplex: Teacher should get a Hero tag for this one. The truth hurts, and the sooner this kid realizes it the better adjusted she'll be in life. When Romney has a place in his hunting ranch called N*ggerhead" it's hard to argue against the racism.


Wow a lefty troll.

/Romney hunting that is rich
//Perry had the questionable name
 
2012-10-07 09:38:46 PM
*yawn* this story, again?
Okay.
 
2012-10-07 09:42:25 PM

spongeboob: ParagonComplex: Teacher should get a Hero tag for this one. The truth hurts, and the sooner this kid realizes it the better adjusted she'll be in life. When Romney has a place in his hunting ranch called N*ggerhead" it's hard to argue against the racism.

Wow a lefty troll.

/Romney hunting that is rich
//Perry had the questionable name


To troll, one must first display the intent to troll. He is just an idiot.
 
2012-10-07 09:43:36 PM

Just Another OC Homeless Guy: Dress codes. How wurk?


Funny, it was the Conservatives in this country who pushed schools to adopt dress codes in the first place.
 
2012-10-07 09:44:23 PM

doglover: When you're in junior high in the 80's wearing a shirt that was about events over 40 years old at that point, that's a very different situation than a girl in the 2012 wearing a political shirt from the current election cycle.


If you are actually so incredibly butthurt than someone in the USA would DARE wear a t-shirt endorsing one of the major party candidates in the upcoming Presidential election (in which we supposedly celebrate young peoples' awareness of political issues)--then your views on free speech are farking retarded and ought to be summarily ignored by anyone considering themselves intelligent. What a bunch of farking pussies you all are.
 
2012-10-07 09:44:34 PM

Kibbler: Snowflake was humiliated. We need a full investigation. A true hate crime. Somebody call Desmond Tutu and check his schedule. We need towels and hot water, and generators and a six month food supply and a communication console. Let's move, people. The fate of the free world is in our...

Wait. I just got word het parents don't pay federal income tax. You believe that? Fark that biatch.


kids don't come trick or treating to your house, do they?
 
2012-10-07 09:53:20 PM
imageshack.us
 
2012-10-07 10:01:16 PM
I really don't see much difference in Romney/Ryan and the KKK. They both get off on oppressing minorities, the KKK is just less effective at it now that they don't have much political clout at the federal level.
 
2012-10-07 10:01:17 PM

Mrs.Sharpier: *yawn* this story, again?
Okay.


How else are the Republicans supposed to feel victimized? They can't really boast about the debate anymore.
 
2012-10-07 10:04:02 PM
The teacher was just looking out for the student's economic interests, since the student obviously wasn't.
 
2012-10-07 10:05:06 PM

Cymbal: I really don't see much difference in Romney/Ryan and the KKK. They both get off on oppressing minorities, the KKK is just less effective at it now that they don't have much political clout at the federal level.


1/10
 
2012-10-07 10:05:23 PM

Guntram Shatterhand: Mrs.Sharpier: *yawn* this story, again?
Okay.

How else are the Republicans supposed to feel victimized? They can't really boast about the debate anymore.


Republicans felt victimized while boasting about the debates but they cannot boast about the debates any longer so they need to find another reason to feel victimized? Not sure what you're trying to say here
 
2012-10-07 10:05:35 PM

bugontherug: I love my boy unconditionally. I wouldn't disown him under any circumstances.


You know who else's parents loved him unconditionally?

www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org
 
2012-10-07 10:05:37 PM
If a liberal wore an Obama T-shirt into a conservative teachers classroom how many would bet they would do the same thing.

The difference is every conservative on the planet would be defending the teacher. Instead what we have here is liberals with the "yournothelping.jpg" and condemning the teacher for doing exactly what a conservative would do if the situation were reversed. Time for liberals to grow a spine. I for one applaud this teacher for standing up to a conservative.
 
2012-10-07 10:08:58 PM

Warlordtrooper: If a liberal wore an Obama T-shirt into a conservative teachers classroom how many would bet they would do the same thing.

The difference is every conservative on the planet would be defending the teacher. Instead what we have here is liberals with the "yournothelping.jpg" and condemning the teacher for doing exactly what a conservative would do if the situation were reversed. Time for liberals to grow a spine. I for one applaud this teacher for standing up to a conservative.


so congrats on being like "every conservative on the planet". Bet you didn't wake up this morning expecting to be bragging about becoming a complete douchebag in the evening, did you?
 
2012-10-07 10:11:29 PM

gingerjet: Girl From The North Country: You know how I know this is fake? Any kid who would wear a Romney t-shirt is clearly homeschooled.

I know a number of families who homeschool their kids - and its largely due to idiot teachers like this one. And they're liberals.

/and scientists in most cases
//homeschooling because local schools suck or full of fundies
///the more diverse the education options the better I say


I was homeschooled, and while my parents were conservative, their reasons for homeschooling were more to do with people like the idiot teacher my brother had who taught them that the reason the Panama Canal was dug was because they wanted to divide North and South America. Most of my homeschooled friends from high school are doing stuff in the sciences or engineering and tech stuff now, I think at least in part because we all had parents who emphasized math and science's importance as being non-negotiable.

My siblings and I did get dragged along to a lot of Republican stuff growing up on the grounds that it was "educational," which I think it was. Although I'm not anywhere near a conservative Republican now, seeing the behind the scenes part of how political parties operate was hugely useful and educational. It's why I don't really have a problem with parents bringing their kids along to political events--even tea party ones, so long as the parents aren't trotting the kids out to give speeches or something (no kid should have to live down youtube videos of their middle school political opinions). I had no illusions about how the government and democracy and elections actually work because I saw so much before I was even old enough to vote.
 
2012-10-07 10:15:16 PM

Trapper439: bugontherug: I love my boy unconditionally. I wouldn't disown him under any circumstances.

You know who else's parents loved him unconditionally?

[www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org image 362x416]


His mother did, his father didn't.
By the way his Mom and Dad were Uncle and Niece, so incest really does lead to Nazis.
 
2012-10-07 10:16:57 PM

Warlordtrooper: If a liberal wore an Obama T-shirt into a conservative teachers classroom how many would bet they would do the same thing.

The difference is every conservative on the planet would be defending the teacher. Instead what we have here is liberals with the "yournothelping.jpg" and condemning the teacher for doing exactly what a conservative would do if the situation were reversed. Time for liberals to grow a spine. I for one applaud this teacher for standing up to a conservative.


[yournothelping.jpg]

A teacher criticizing the political choice of a student, at least in this particular situation, doesn't quite count as "standing up to a conservative." I sorta agree with teacher's views, but she should've either kept her mouth shut or find a more elegant way to express them.

Conservatives probably would be defending the teacher if the situation was reversed, but that's not a justification for acting exactly like them.
 
2012-10-07 10:17:52 PM

loveblondieo: Here's another article naming the teacher and reporting on some of the backlash she's gotten.


FTA: The first call came Friday evening, tinged with racist hate.

"Watch your back, (racist slur). I'mma blow your (profanity) brains out," one of Lynette Gaymon's aunts said Saturday.


Hmm... Perhaps the teacher was right to compare it to a KKK shirt after all!
 
2012-10-07 10:20:21 PM
"That someone could spin that and throw it back on a 16-year-old child and make her feel so terrible."

I remember 16-year old girls being tougher than that.
 
2012-10-07 10:22:46 PM
This is bullshiat. The Mormons declared black people to be human beings way back in 1978.
 
2012-10-07 10:23:00 PM
Solution:

Fire this teacher immediately.

School district should transfer the student to another district that does not have racist teachers, and pay for the transportation of student to and from the new school until graduation.

Racism is bad enough, but when authority figures are so blatantly racist that they will knowingly endanger the safety of a child in their care, serious steps have to be taken to stop it in its tracks and show the rest that it will not be tolerated. Anything less than a firing of this teacher shows that the district in question condones racism.
 
2012-10-07 10:23:39 PM
I can see it happening and if the case it is wrong. I am sure the exact opposite would happen here in Alabama with an Obama t-shirt in some schools. Insecure people have trouble with others who believe differently that them and need constant "reiforcement". Unfortunately for the United States I would say that would be about 75% of the population, across all political ideologies. That leaves the 25% to clean up the mess. Unfortunately many of us in the 25%, across all ideologies of course, don't want to subject our lives to the bullshiat it would take to get elected and make a difference. Unfortunately it also means we are being governed by idiots.
 
2012-10-07 10:24:57 PM

Mugato: This is bullshiat. The Mormons declared black people to be human beings way back in 1978.


Some black math teachers still don't act like it.
 
2012-10-07 10:27:20 PM

ParagonComplex: Teacher should get a Hero tag for this one. The truth hurts, and the sooner this kid realizes it the better adjusted she'll be in life. When Romney has a place in his hunting ranch called N*ggerhead" it's hard to argue against the racism.


Not to defend Romney here, but that's Rick Perry. It's unlikely that Mitt Romney would put the "Curse of Cain" on a part of his property.
 
2012-10-07 10:27:55 PM

bigstoopidbruce: Cymbal: I really don't see much difference in Romney/Ryan and the KKK. They both get off on oppressing minorities, the KKK is just less effective at it now that they don't have much political clout at the federal level.

1/10


It's called hyperbole, not trolling. Since conservatives moved the goalposts so far to the right, they now have nearly exclusive ownership in that game.
 
2012-10-07 10:28:29 PM

rynthetyn: gingerjet: Girl From The North Country: You know how I know this is fake? Any kid who would wear a Romney t-shirt is clearly homeschooled.

I know a number of families who homeschool their kids - and its largely due to idiot teachers like this one. And they're liberals.

/and scientists in most cases
//homeschooling because local schools suck or full of fundies
///the more diverse the education options the better I say

I was homeschooled, and while my parents were conservative, their reasons for homeschooling were more to do with people like the idiot teacher my brother had who taught them that the reason the Panama Canal was dug was because they wanted to divide North and South America. Most of my homeschooled friends from high school are doing stuff in the sciences or engineering and tech stuff now, I think at least in part because we all had parents who emphasized math and science's importance as being non-negotiable.

My siblings and I did get dragged along to a lot of Republican stuff growing up on the grounds that it was "educational," which I think it was. Although I'm not anywhere near a conservative Republican now, seeing the behind the scenes part of how political parties operate was hugely useful and educational. It's why I don't really have a problem with parents bringing their kids along to political events--even tea party ones, so long as the parents aren't trotting the kids out to give speeches or something (no kid should have to live down youtube videos of their middle school political opinions). I had no illusions about how the government and democracy and elections actually work because I saw so much before I was even old enough to vote.


CSB:
I know a guy at work and his kids are homeschooled. His wife is the one who made the decision though. He was completely against it but hey, she's got the pussy. Anyways, I always joke with him that if his wife is smart and knowledgeable enough to homeschool their kids, then she should be smart and knowledgeable enough to realize what a retarded and woefully incomplete learning and life experience homeschooling provides.
 
2012-10-07 10:33:29 PM

shotglasss: Solution:

Fire this teacher immediately.

School district should transfer the student to another district that does not have racist teachers, and pay for the transportation of student to and from the new school until graduation.

Racism is bad enough, but when authority figures are so blatantly racist that they will knowingly endanger the safety of a child in their care, serious steps have to be taken to stop it in its tracks and show the rest that it will not be tolerated. Anything less than a firing of this teacher shows that the district in question condones racism.


They should segregate the teachers. Bus them to other school districts, yeah. Then send in the national guard to enforce it.
 
2012-10-07 10:34:06 PM
i.imgur.com
 
2012-10-07 10:36:30 PM

Mugato: This is bullshiat. The Mormons declared black people to be human beings way back in 1978.


Who would have thought all it took for them was to see Willie Stargell play.
 
2012-10-07 10:38:35 PM

TV's Vinnie: [i.imgur.com image 850x307]


That, that's just beautiful.
 
2012-10-07 10:38:43 PM
Are farkers really this reluctant to believe that a Democrat could say something dumb?

I see no reason to disbelieve this claim. Why the lack of objectivity, liberals?
 
2012-10-07 10:39:11 PM

shotglasss: Solution:

Fire this teacher immediately.

School district should transfer the student to another district that does not have racist teachers, and pay for the transportation of student to and from the new school until graduation.

Racism is bad enough, but when authority figures are so blatantly racist that they will knowingly endanger the safety of a child in their care, serious steps have to be taken to stop it in its tracks and show the rest that it will not be tolerated. Anything less than a firing of this teacher shows that the district in question condones racism.


1/10

My days of not taking you seriously are certainly coming to a middle.
 
2012-10-07 10:43:27 PM

AirForceVet: Here's some local news that didn't get up to the MSM. Guess it depends which news outline picks up the story, huh?

High school girl who supports GLBT equality gets lectured in class by ROTC instructor about sins of homosexuality.


But. But. REPUBLICANS!
 
2012-10-07 10:44:34 PM
What do you expect? Most teachers are idiots.
 
2012-10-07 10:45:39 PM

stoli n coke: Mugato: This is bullshiat. The Mormons declared black people to be human beings way back in 1978.

Who would have thought all it took for them was to see Willie Stargell play.


Well, there was a bit more to it than that. . .

African-American athletes protested against LDS policies by boycotting several sporting events with Brigham Young University. In 1968, after the assassination of Martin Luther King, black members of the UTEP track team approached their coach and expressed their desire not to compete against BYU in an upcoming meet. When the coach disregarded the athletes' complaint, the athletes boycotted the meet.[57] In 1969, 14 members of the University of Wyoming football team were removed from the team for planning to protest the policies of the LDS church.[57] In November 1969, Stanford University President Kenneth Pitzer suspended athletic relations with BYU.[58]

Since the early part of the 20th century, each LDS ward has organized its own Boy Scouting troop. Some LDS troops permitted black youths to join, but an LDS policy required that the troop leader to be the deacon quorum president (a priesthood office held by 12 and 13 year old non-black church members), thus excluding black children from that role. The NAACP filed a federal lawsuit in 1974 challenging this practice, and soon thereafter the LDS church reversed its policy.

/I'd say it was more for financial/PR reasons.
 
2012-10-07 10:49:15 PM

ParagonComplex: Teacher should get a Hero tag for this one. The truth hurts, and the sooner this kid realizes it the better adjusted she'll be in life. When Romney has a place in his hunting ranch called N*ggerhead" it's hard to argue against the racism.


The teacher should be banned from teaching anyone under 18. Clearly she is not enough of an adult to handle the responsibility.
 
2012-10-07 10:51:18 PM

Cymbal: rynthetyn: gingerjet: Girl From The North Country: You know how I know this is fake? Any kid who would wear a Romney t-shirt is clearly homeschooled.

I know a number of families who homeschool their kids - and its largely due to idiot teachers like this one. And they're liberals.

/and scientists in most cases
//homeschooling because local schools suck or full of fundies
///the more diverse the education options the better I say

I was homeschooled, and while my parents were conservative, their reasons for homeschooling were more to do with people like the idiot teacher my brother had who taught them that the reason the Panama Canal was dug was because they wanted to divide North and South America. Most of my homeschooled friends from high school are doing stuff in the sciences or engineering and tech stuff now, I think at least in part because we all had parents who emphasized math and science's importance as being non-negotiable.

My siblings and I did get dragged along to a lot of Republican stuff growing up on the grounds that it was "educational," which I think it was. Although I'm not anywhere near a conservative Republican now, seeing the behind the scenes part of how political parties operate was hugely useful and educational. It's why I don't really have a problem with parents bringing their kids along to political events--even tea party ones, so long as the parents aren't trotting the kids out to give speeches or something (no kid should have to live down youtube videos of their middle school political opinions). I had no illusions about how the government and democracy and elections actually work because I saw so much before I was even old enough to vote.

CSB:
I know a guy at work and his kids are homeschooled. His wife is the one who made the decision though. He was completely against it but hey, she's got the pussy. Anyways, I always joke with him that if his wife is smart and knowledgeable enough to homeschool their kids, then she should be smart and ...


We have people who homeschool where I work (I'm an engineer). They are also very versed in the defense of home schooling. I have heard all of it despite once never questioning their choice; they just seem naturally defensive on the subject. They are also very churchy/religious people and tend to be bothered that I do not attend a church. I have found a perfect way to troll them on the issue though. I got ordained as a minister on the internet and tell them I "Home Church". While they want to criticize it, any criticism would mirror that of a home school criticism. Now they generally avoid the subject with me.
 
2012-10-07 10:53:08 PM

Rich Cream: Ummm the teacher admitted to doing it and "apologized".
No fakery this time. Sorry.


Then WTF is her problem? Was she trying to get fired? It is hard to imagine any teacher saying something so stupid. I was a substitute teacher, and I watched every word out of my mouth. And I don't mean just swearing at the little farks or something. Geez, you have to watch everything.

I told some junior high kids once that people got put on death row because they were poor and black, and I was afraid I'd get some backlash for that. 

/and I only did that because my mother had died the day before, and I didn't give a fark.
 
2012-10-07 10:53:25 PM

Lorelle: If the kid doesn't understand the potential consequences of wearing such a shirt, perhaps she shouldn't wear it in the first place.


Why should there be consequences from authority figures for simply showing support for a Presidential candidate?

doglover: Somacandra: I hope you're trolling. There should be no potential consequences for wearing "such a shirt" unless it defies an explicit universal dress code for everyone.

Which it obviously did.

When I was at the nude beach, I could rock out with my cock out. When I'm on the subway here in the city, very different rules apply.

When you're in junior high in the 80's wearing a shirt that was about events over 40 years old at that point, that's a very different situation than a girl in the 2012 wearing a political shirt from the current election cycle.

If you'd have worn your clever little shirt to school in 1949, I would expect your reception to be less warm at school, especially if your teacher was a vet.


Um...what? You have a copy of the school's dress code, do you? Care to provide a link? Also, care to explain why in hell wearing an Obama or Romney shirt to school would ever be forbidden or considered "controversial"?
 
2012-10-07 10:56:16 PM

HighOnCraic: Since the early part of the 20th century, each LDS ward has organized its own Boy Scouting troop. Some LDS troops permitted black youths to join, but an LDS policy required that the troop leader to be the deacon quorum president (a priesthood office held by 12 and 13 year old non-black church members), thus excluding black children from that role. The NAACP filed a federal lawsuit in 1974 challenging this practice, and soon thereafter the LDS church reversed its policy.


But the point is that somewhere around 1980 or so, the Mormons did decide that God thought black people were no longer animals. That's awesome.
 
2012-10-07 10:57:08 PM

TV's Vinnie: [i.imgur.com image 850x307]


So. Awesome.
 
2012-10-07 11:01:21 PM

Cymbal: rynthetyn: gingerjet: Girl From The North Country: You know how I know this is fake? Any kid who would wear a Romney t-shirt is clearly homeschooled.

I know a number of families who homeschool their kids - and its largely due to idiot teachers like this one. And they're liberals.

/and scientists in most cases
//homeschooling because local schools suck or full of fundies
///the more diverse the education options the better I say

I was homeschooled, and while my parents were conservative, their reasons for homeschooling were more to do with people like the idiot teacher my brother had who taught them that the reason the Panama Canal was dug was because they wanted to divide North and South America. Most of my homeschooled friends from high school are doing stuff in the sciences or engineering and tech stuff now, I think at least in part because we all had parents who emphasized math and science's importance as being non-negotiable.

My siblings and I did get dragged along to a lot of Republican stuff growing up on the grounds that it was "educational," which I think it was. Although I'm not anywhere near a conservative Republican now, seeing the behind the scenes part of how political parties operate was hugely useful and educational. It's why I don't really have a problem with parents bringing their kids along to political events--even tea party ones, so long as the parents aren't trotting the kids out to give speeches or something (no kid should have to live down youtube videos of their middle school political opinions). I had no illusions about how the government and democracy and elections actually work because I saw so much before I was even old enough to vote.

CSB:
I know a guy at work and his kids are homeschooled. His wife is the one who made the decision though. He was completely against it but hey, she's got the pussy. Anyways, I always joke with him that if his wife is smart and knowledgeable enough to homeschool their kids, then she should be smart and knowledgeable enough to realize what a retarded and woefully incomplete learning and life experience homeschooling provides.


I will readily insist that not everyone should homeschool (and indeed, that many people definitely should not be homeschooling), but you're demonstrating your ignorance of the subject by insisting that homeschooling provides an incomplete learning and life experience. Sure, for some people that's true, but it's equally true that a lot of homeschoolers have broader educational and life experiences than the average kid in a traditional school setting.

I grew up in a community where 15% of 24-35 year olds have graduated from college. Of the people who have gone to college it's mostly kids slacking around at the community college for 3 or 4 year before transferring to the nearby 4 year state school where they dick around for another 3 or 4 years before they finally get a bachelors degree all without ever leaving home. My siblings and I talk about how unusual our life was in that we had parents who made sure that we learned math and science and took us to art museums and made sure we knew what was going on in the outside world because most of the kids who went to public and private school where we're from didn't have any of that--even the rich kids whose parents could afford it. It was the same for most of my homeschooled friends, who all grew up with a broader knowledge of the world around us than most of the kids in our community.
 
2012-10-07 11:02:26 PM
This pretty much sums it up

i30.servimg.com

Now for you libtards that want to pull out your hair and scream at me. Normally I would spend an hour poking you with a stick, but I just got home and I'm a bit tired. So I'm just going to leave this here to express what I really believe about arguing with all you really amounts to. Then I'm going to go take a shower and watch a little TV.

1.bp.blogspot.com

Night All...
 
2012-10-07 11:02:34 PM
I'm going to take a guess that the teacher is a black lady.

How dare her student show support for anyone but King-Obama.
 
2012-10-07 11:04:02 PM

Mugato: HighOnCraic: Since the early part of the 20th century, each LDS ward has organized its own Boy Scouting troop. Some LDS troops permitted black youths to join, but an LDS policy required that the troop leader to be the deacon quorum president (a priesthood office held by 12 and 13 year old non-black church members), thus excluding black children from that role. The NAACP filed a federal lawsuit in 1974 challenging this practice, and soon thereafter the LDS church reversed its policy.

But the point is that somewhere around 1980 or so, the Mormons did decide that God thought black people were no longer animals. That's awesome.

I BELIIIIEEEEVE...that in 1978 God changed his mind about black people!

 
2012-10-07 11:04:08 PM

jodaveki: TV's Vinnie: [i.imgur.com image 850x307]

So. Awesome.


This.
 
2012-10-07 11:12:17 PM

Brick-House: This pretty much sums it up

[i30.servimg.com image 720x720]

Now for you libtards that want to pull out your hair and scream at me. Normally I would spend an hour poking you with a stick, but I just got home and I'm a bit tired. So I'm just going to leave this here to express what I really believe about arguing with all you really amounts to. Then I'm going to go take a shower and watch a little TV.

[1.bp.blogspot.com image 640x550]

Night All...


See, if you'd taken the time to read the thread . . . oh, never mind.
 
2012-10-07 11:14:08 PM
Brick-House:

That truly was the most half-assed troll ever. Bravo. No relevance or topicality, inflammatory imagery and some insults. Well, maybe quarter-assed.

/the most half assed-troll ever......nope, doesn't work past tense
 
2012-10-07 11:15:16 PM

indylaw: jmadisonbiii: indylaw: cman: loveblondieo: Here's another article naming the teacher and reporting on some of the backlash she's gotten.

FTA: Sophomore Samantha Pawlucy said Gaymon called her out for wearing the shirt and told her it was analogous to the teacher, who is black, wearing a KKK shirt.

Jesus, a teacher said this?

We all know that we can always take the uncorroborated word of a partisan child hack as gospel.

[i278.photobucket.com image 515x386]

Yeah it usually ends badly.
[3.bp.blogspot.com image 400x300]

Is that supposed to be a rebuttal or something? I can't stand Al Sharpton.


YOU'RE A LEFTIE SO YOU MUST LOVE ALL LEFTIES AND HATE ALL RIGHTIES! JUST LIKE JMADISONBIII LOVES ALL RIGHTIES AND HATES ALL LEFTIES! YOU MUST SUPPORT YOUR TEAM!
 
2012-10-07 11:16:05 PM

Theaetetus: Just Another OC Homeless Guy: Bio-nic: Just Another OC Homeless Guy: Dress codes. How wurk?

Dress down Fridays, how work?

Reading comprehension, how work?

Idiocy, you work gud!

Well, YOU obviously have some reading comprehension issues. Or maybe you just didn't read all the comments cause you were just too close to having a posting orgasm?

Posting waaaaaay back in the thread, 2 1/4 hours ago:


"Just Another OC Homeless Guy [TotalFark] 2012-10-07 05:46:22 PM
tenpoundsofcheese: Just Another OC Homeless Guy: Dress codes. How wurk?

This was on a school dress down day when students could wear what they want.
/reading comprehension. How does that work for you? (apparently not very good)

DRTFA"

Dumbass: YOU

I don't think you really have the credibility to call other people names after you were called out for a stupid comment and admit you never read the article. Just take it and shut up, as to not dig yourself an even deeper hole.


Context, Context, Context! How does it work?

My admittedly dumb comment was about the contentof the article (and my not reading it), NOT about the idiocy of someone who didn't read the article.

Your dumb comment was about my supposed idiocy when you didn't even bother to read the farking comments.

That hole: I can't get into it because you're already in it.
 
2012-10-07 11:16:49 PM

vegasj: I'm going to take a guess that the teacher is a black lady.

How dare her student show support for anyone but King-Obama.


Brick-House is in bed already. You sound tired too.

/amidoinitrite
 
2012-10-07 11:17:01 PM

Dwight_Yeast: Just Another OC Homeless Guy: Dress codes. How wurk?

Funny, it was the Conservatives in this country who pushed schools to adopt dress codes in the first place.


Yeah, I think that was generally the case.

So?
 
2012-10-07 11:19:03 PM

Brick-House: This pretty much sums it up

[i30.servimg.com image 720x720]

Now for you libtards that want to pull out your hair and scream at me. Normally I would spend an hour poking you with a stick, but I just got home and I'm a bit tired. So I'm just going to leave this here to express what I really believe about arguing with all you really amounts to. Then I'm going to go take a shower and watch a little TV.

[1.bp.blogspot.com image 640x550]

Night All...


shiat and run

"conservatives" = pussies
 
2012-10-07 11:20:45 PM
Teacher overreacted. Precious snowflake will get over it.
 
2012-10-07 11:21:37 PM

Just Another OC Homeless Guy: Dwight_Yeast: Just Another OC Homeless Guy: Dress codes. How wurk?

Funny, it was the Conservatives in this country who pushed schools to adopt dress codes in the first place.

Yeah, I think that was generally the case.

So?


So, most school dress codes ban clothes that feature slogans or stances on controversial issues. And given how extraordinarily polarized the electorate is, the Presidential election is definitely a controversial issue. So it's entirely possible that this kid violated her school's dress code. And since conservatives pushed for dress codes in the first place, there's a certain "hoist by your own petard" feel to it.
 
2012-10-07 11:22:13 PM

Fart_Machine: Teacher overreacted. Precious snowflake will get over it.


That.
 
2012-10-07 11:31:13 PM

rynthetyn: My siblings and I talk about how unusual our life was in that we had parents who made sure that we learned math and science and took us to art museums and made sure we knew what was going on in the outside world because most of the kids who went to public and private school where we're from didn't have any of that--even the rich kids whose parents could afford it. It was the same for most of my homeschooled friends, who all grew up with a broader knowledge of the world around us than most of the kids in our community.


There are always exceptions, and you sound like a fairly normal well-adjusted and articulate person. But I may have to rethink that assessment if you seriously believe most homeschooled children have a broader knowledge of the world and have no lack of life experience in comparison to traditional schooled children.
 
2012-10-07 11:36:19 PM

Somacandra: I have several students that wear Romney/Ryan t-shirts to my classes. No one's had any issues or told me about conflicts with other faculty. One of my graders is a Ron Paul fan and one of my best students last spring was a big Santorum fan. If you can't get past the fact that your students might have political opinions of their own and separate that out, that's a mark against your professionalism whether at the secondary, primary or collegiate level.


My American Government teacher was like you. He's awesome. He's very very liberal, but you'd never know it in his AP Gov Class.
 
2012-10-07 11:43:04 PM

Mugato: HighOnCraic: Since the early part of the 20th century, each LDS ward has organized its own Boy Scouting troop. Some LDS troops permitted black youths to join, but an LDS policy required that the troop leader to be the deacon quorum president (a priesthood office held by 12 and 13 year old non-black church members), thus excluding black children from that role. The NAACP filed a federal lawsuit in 1974 challenging this practice, and soon thereafter the LDS church reversed its policy.

But the point is that somewhere around 1980 or so, the Mormons did decide that God thought black people were no longer animals. That's awesome.


It was just a very fortunate coincidence that that happened after they started taking a hit in the pocketbook.
 
2012-10-07 11:45:12 PM

abb3w: Here, however, the principal made the teacher apologize, and there's an investigation ongoing. The kid has the right to wear the T-shirt; the teacher was in the wrong, and should get some remedial training on the bounds of student freedom of expression.


There's only one day that it wouldn't be appropriate: Election Day. And that's only if the school is a polling place.
 
2012-10-07 11:48:24 PM

Bio-nic: Just Another OC Homeless Guy: Dress codes. How wurk?

Dress down Fridays, how work?

Reading comprehension, how work?

Idiocy, you work gud!


Even "dress down" can easily have rules. My HS we weren't allowed to wear shirts that had any writing on it.
 
2012-10-07 11:55:14 PM
Nice to be reminded every now and then why I threw vegasj out the airlock.

With no suit.
 
2012-10-07 11:56:10 PM

Rich Cream: Brick-House:

That truly was the most half-assed troll ever. Bravo. No relevance or topicality, inflammatory imagery and some insults. Well, maybe quarter-assed.

/the most half assed-troll ever......nope, doesn't work past tense


Be nice to Bricky. Didn't your mom ever tell you it's not nice to pick on the special kids?
 
2012-10-07 11:59:04 PM

Kittypie070: Nice to be reminded every now and then why I threw vegasj out the airlock.

With no suit.


Heh, find any race thread and you will remember why you threw him out.
 
2012-10-08 12:04:24 AM
Thankfully, we all know that the Fark Lib brigade would be just as willing to defend the teacher if the student was black wearing an Obama shirt and the teacher was white saying it was a black panther shirt.

/Both sides are equally bad, so let liberals suppress the political freedom of their opposition!
 
2012-10-08 12:04:38 AM

Cymbal: rynthetyn: My siblings and I talk about how unusual our life was in that we had parents who made sure that we learned math and science and took us to art museums and made sure we knew what was going on in the outside world because most of the kids who went to public and private school where we're from didn't have any of that--even the rich kids whose parents could afford it. It was the same for most of my homeschooled friends, who all grew up with a broader knowledge of the world around us than most of the kids in our community.

There are always exceptions, and you sound like a fairly normal well-adjusted and articulate person. But I may have to rethink that assessment if you seriously believe most homeschooled children have a broader knowledge of the world and have no lack of life experience in comparison to traditional schooled children.


Reading comprehension, do you have it? I never said anything about most homeschooled children and I'd appreciate you not to put words in my mouth in order to create a straw man. It's intellectually dishonest on your part.

I will say that in real, non-internet, life, the normalcy of a person is inversely related to their willingness to tell you that they were homeschooled. Most of us bring it up as little as possible because we'd rather not trigger people's mental associations with the Duggars or Tim Tebow. The only reason I ever mention it IRL is because at the law school I go to there's an inexplicable preoccupation with where you went to high school (seriously, I graduated in '98, it has not been since '98 that I've had so many conversations that involve, "where did you go to high school?"). Point being, most people's perception of homeschoolers is skewed because the only ones who are public about it are ones who are weird and sheltered.
 
2012-10-08 12:08:09 AM

rynthetyn: Cymbal: rynthetyn: My siblings and I talk about how unusual our life was in that we had parents who made sure that we learned math and science and took us to art museums and made sure we knew what was going on in the outside world because most of the kids who went to public and private school where we're from didn't have any of that--even the rich kids whose parents could afford it. It was the same for most of my homeschooled friends, who all grew up with a broader knowledge of the world around us than most of the kids in our community.

There are always exceptions, and you sound like a fairly normal well-adjusted and articulate person. But I may have to rethink that assessment if you seriously believe most homeschooled children have a broader knowledge of the world and have no lack of life experience in comparison to traditional schooled children.

Reading comprehension, do you have it? I never said anything about most homeschooled children and I'd appreciate you not to put words in my mouth in order to create a straw man. It's intellectually dishonest on your part.

I will say that in real, non-internet, life, the normalcy of a person is inversely related to their willingness to tell you that they were homeschooled. Most of us bring it up as little as possible because we'd rather not trigger people's mental associations with the Duggars or Tim Tebow. The only reason I ever mention it IRL is because at the law school I go to there's an inexplicable preoccupation with where you went to high school (seriously, I graduated in '98, it has not been since '98 that I've had so many conversations that involve, "where did you go to high school?"). Point being, most people's perception of homeschoolers is skewed because the only ones who are public about it are ones who are weird and sheltered.



That is really strange. I am pretty sure "What high school did you attend" never passed my lips (unless I was around 20 and making small talk to try to get laid). I emphasize "try". :)
 
2012-10-08 12:17:48 AM
Not trying to threadjack but.... no Hugo Chavez thread?

/unless it's TF only right now

Rockstone: Somacandra: I have several students that wear Romney/Ryan t-shirts to my classes. No one's had any issues or told me about conflicts with other faculty. One of my graders is a Ron Paul fan and one of my best students last spring was a big Santorum fan. If you can't get past the fact that your students might have political opinions of their own and separate that out, that's a mark against your professionalism whether at the secondary, primary or collegiate level.

My American Government teacher was like you. He's awesome. He's very very liberal, but you'd never know it in his AP Gov Class.


My American Government professor in undergrad was really cute , and she did a good job of not revealing her leanings (this was during the Bush/Kerry deal). I always assume a lot of those folks are pretty liberal, though.
 
2012-10-08 12:18:24 AM

Sabyen91: rynthetyn:
I will say that in real, non-internet, life, the normalcy of a person is inversely related to their willingness to tell you that they were homeschooled. Most of us bring it up as little as possible because we'd rather not trigger people's mental associations with the Duggars or Tim Tebow. The only reason I ever mention it IRL is because at the law school I go to there's an inexplicable preoccupation with where you went to high school (seriously, I graduated in '98, it has not been since '98 that I've had so many conversations that involve, "where did you go to high school?"). Point being, most people's perception of homeschoolers is skewed because the only ones who are public about it are ones who are weird and sheltered.


That is really strange. I am pretty sure "What high school did you attend" never passed my lips (unless I was around 20 and making small talk to try to get laid). I emphasize "try". :)


I think it has something to do with going to a state school. For being one of the most populous states, Florida can be weirdly provincial (hey, it's Florida, "weird" belongs as a modifier on everything in this state), and where you went to high school determines what circles you ran in and who you know. Having done the expensive private liberal arts school route for undergrad, it's a strange world. I understand Florida politics a heck of a lot better now though.
 
2012-10-08 12:24:55 AM

rynthetyn: Sabyen91: rynthetyn:
I will say that in real, non-internet, life, the normalcy of a person is inversely related to their willingness to tell you that they were homeschooled. Most of us bring it up as little as possible because we'd rather not trigger people's mental associations with the Duggars or Tim Tebow. The only reason I ever mention it IRL is because at the law school I go to there's an inexplicable preoccupation with where you went to high school (seriously, I graduated in '98, it has not been since '98 that I've had so many conversations that involve, "where did you go to high school?"). Point being, most people's perception of homeschoolers is skewed because the only ones who are public about it are ones who are weird and sheltered.


That is really strange. I am pretty sure "What high school did you attend" never passed my lips (unless I was around 20 and making small talk to try to get laid). I emphasize "try". :)

I think it has something to do with going to a state school. For being one of the most populous states, Florida can be weirdly provincial (hey, it's Florida, "weird" belongs as a modifier on everything in this state), and where you went to high school determines what circles you ran in and who you know. Having done the expensive private liberal arts school route for undergrad, it's a strange world. I understand Florida politics a heck of a lot better now though.


Florida isn't all that bad, and I think that has something to do with it. People are perfectly fine with going off to college in another city or state and come back to where they grew up. I don't know if that's exactly how it is everywhere else or not but I am only speaking in anecdotal terms. I grew up in South Florida and I think for many people they really miss the beach and the warm weather. I can imagine growing up in Fargo and wanting to get the fark out as soon as you get the chance with no looking back.
 
2012-10-08 12:25:03 AM

Brick-House: This pretty much sums it up

[i30.servimg.com image 720x720]

Now for you libtards that want to pull out your hair and scream at me. Normally I would spend an hour poking you with a stick, but I just got home and I'm a bit tired. So I'm just going to leave this here to express what I really believe about arguing with all you really amounts to. Then I'm going to go take a shower and watch a little TV.

[1.bp.blogspot.com image 640x550]

Night All...


The only thing I find disturbing is that you co-opted the image of a person who would probably disagree with you and everything you stand for.
 
2012-10-08 12:25:27 AM

rynthetyn: Sabyen91: rynthetyn:
I will say that in real, non-internet, life, the normalcy of a person is inversely related to their willingness to tell you that they were homeschooled. Most of us bring it up as little as possible because we'd rather not trigger people's mental associations with the Duggars or Tim Tebow. The only reason I ever mention it IRL is because at the law school I go to there's an inexplicable preoccupation with where you went to high school (seriously, I graduated in '98, it has not been since '98 that I've had so many conversations that involve, "where did you go to high school?"). Point being, most people's perception of homeschoolers is skewed because the only ones who are public about it are ones who are weird and sheltered.


That is really strange. I am pretty sure "What high school did you attend" never passed my lips (unless I was around 20 and making small talk to try to get laid). I emphasize "try". :)

I think it has something to do with going to a state school. For being one of the most populous states, Florida can be weirdly provincial (hey, it's Florida, "weird" belongs as a modifier on everything in this state), and where you went to high school determines what circles you ran in and who you know. Having done the expensive private liberal arts school route for undergrad, it's a strange world. I understand Florida politics a heck of a lot better now though.


Wisconsin must be really different. The majority of WI public schools are really good (don't include Milwaukee). WI does very well in the ACT (we don't use the SAT) in our public schools. We really don't get the "Public schools are bad" meme the right is selling.
 
2012-10-08 12:31:02 AM
Caveat: The facts aren't all in.

However.

Based only on what we know, the majority of Fark Democrats will defend anything done against a Republican.

Sincere kudos to the few who said otherwise. Moral integrity is more important than partisan scorekeeping.

/Republican who condemns the right-wing crazies
 
2012-10-08 12:31:50 AM

Brick-House: This pretty much sums it up

[i30.servimg.com image 720x720]

Now for you libtards that want to pull out your hair and scream at me. Normally I would spend an hour poking you with a stick, but I just got home and I'm a bit tired. So I'm just going to leave this here to express what I really believe about arguing with all you really amounts to. Then I'm going to go take a shower and watch a little TV.

[1.bp.blogspot.com image 640x550]

Night All...


It's so cute when a dumbass thinks he's witty.
 
2012-10-08 12:32:31 AM

Captain Dan: Caveat: The facts aren't all in.

However.

Based only on what we know, the majority of Fark Democrats will defend anything done against a Republican.

Sincere kudos to the few who said otherwise. Moral integrity is more important than partisan scorekeeping.

/Republican who condemns the right-wing crazies


Horseshiat.
 
2012-10-08 12:38:23 AM

Captain Dan: Based only on what we know, the majority of Fark Democrats will defend anything done against a Republican.


You conservatives do like to generalize, don't you

/yes, I realize I just generalized
 
2012-10-08 12:39:21 AM

eddiesocket:

I BELIIIIEEEEVE...that in 1978 God changed his mind about black people!


Though I have to wonder, why did this happen in 1978 of all years? Did God finally see an episode of Good Times up on the Planet Kolob?
 
2012-10-08 12:39:52 AM

Sabyen91: rynthetyn: Sabyen91: rynthetyn:
I will say that in real, non-internet, life, the normalcy of a person is inversely related to their willingness to tell you that they were homeschooled. Most of us bring it up as little as possible because we'd rather not trigger people's mental associations with the Duggars or Tim Tebow. The only reason I ever mention it IRL is because at the law school I go to there's an inexplicable preoccupation with where you went to high school (seriously, I graduated in '98, it has not been since '98 that I've had so many conversations that involve, "where did you go to high school?"). Point being, most people's perception of homeschoolers is skewed because the only ones who are public about it are ones who are weird and sheltered.


That is really strange. I am pretty sure "What high school did you attend" never passed my lips (unless I was around 20 and making small talk to try to get laid). I emphasize "try". :)

I think it has something to do with going to a state school. For being one of the most populous states, Florida can be weirdly provincial (hey, it's Florida, "weird" belongs as a modifier on everything in this state), and where you went to high school determines what circles you ran in and who you know. Having done the expensive private liberal arts school route for undergrad, it's a strange world. I understand Florida politics a heck of a lot better now though.

Wisconsin must be really different. The majority of WI public schools are really good (don't include Milwaukee). WI does very well in the ACT (we don't use the SAT) in our public schools. We really don't get the "Public schools are bad" meme the right is selling.


Public schools in Florida are either really good or really bad, there doesn't seem to be much in between. What drags down our test scores is more the fact that they're trying to educate a lot of non-native English speaking kids whose families move around a lot. Our public university system is great though, or at least it was until the GOP and Rick Scott started farking around with it--it used to be that anyone who wanted to go to college in Florida could make it happen and do so affordably.

If you really want to understand Florida politics and all of its craziness though, you have to understand how things operate at the University of Florida. The people who run the state today are the same ones who ran UF student government 20 years ago, and the people running UF student government today will be running the state in two decades, and the whole thing is, and always has been incredibly corrupt and shady and absurdly undemocratic. The reason Florida is incapable of running an election without shenanigans is because it's the same people who were incapable of running elections at UF without shenanigans going on. I've lived in this state most of my life, I've been in politics in this state for a good portion of my life, and a year and a half at UF has taught me more about how the state runs than anything else has.
 
2012-10-08 12:40:08 AM

Lionel Mandrake: Captain Dan: Based only on what we know, the majority of Fark Democrats will defend anything done against a Republican.

You conservatives do like to generalize, don't you

/yes, I realize I just generalized


He isn't condemning Romney so I am calling BS.
 
2012-10-08 12:41:31 AM

beta_plus: Thankfully, we all know that the Fark Lib brigade would be just as willing to defend the teacher if the student was black wearing an Obama shirt and the teacher was white saying it was a black panther shirt.

/Both sides are equally bad, so let liberals suppress the political freedom of their opposition!


Uh, you did see the many comments from people who said that the teacher was wrong, right? Or are you a perpetual victim?
 
2012-10-08 12:42:10 AM

rynthetyn: Sabyen91: rynthetyn: Sabyen91: rynthetyn:
I will say that in real, non-internet, life, the normalcy of a person is inversely related to their willingness to tell you that they were homeschooled. Most of us bring it up as little as possible because we'd rather not trigger people's mental associations with the Duggars or Tim Tebow. The only reason I ever mention it IRL is because at the law school I go to there's an inexplicable preoccupation with where you went to high school (seriously, I graduated in '98, it has not been since '98 that I've had so many conversations that involve, "where did you go to high school?"). Point being, most people's perception of homeschoolers is skewed because the only ones who are public about it are ones who are weird and sheltered.


That is really strange. I am pretty sure "What high school did you attend" never passed my lips (unless I was around 20 and making small talk to try to get laid). I emphasize "try". :)

I think it has something to do with going to a state school. For being one of the most populous states, Florida can be weirdly provincial (hey, it's Florida, "weird" belongs as a modifier on everything in this state), and where you went to high school determines what circles you ran in and who you know. Having done the expensive private liberal arts school route for undergrad, it's a strange world. I understand Florida politics a heck of a lot better now though.

Wisconsin must be really different. The majority of WI public schools are really good (don't include Milwaukee). WI does very well in the ACT (we don't use the SAT) in our public schools. We really don't get the "Public schools are bad" meme the right is selling.

Public schools in Florida are either really good or really bad, there doesn't seem to be much in between. What drags down our test scores is more the fact that they're trying to educate a lot of non-native English speaking kids whose families move around a lot. Our public university system is great ...


I think the problem is a lot of native Floridians don't understand English. And by "a lot" I mean the panhandle. farking Southern Alabama.
 
2012-10-08 12:42:46 AM

cmb53208: beta_plus: Thankfully, we all know that the Fark Lib brigade would be just as willing to defend the teacher if the student was black wearing an Obama shirt and the teacher was white saying it was a black panther shirt.

/Both sides are equally bad, so let liberals suppress the political freedom of their opposition!

Uh, you did see the many comments from people who said that the teacher was wrong, right? Or are you a perpetual victim?


Both sides are bad!!!!
 
2012-10-08 12:43:33 AM
I have a hard time believing that a high school student with enough political awareness to own an Rmoney shirt somehow doesn't have any clue about her parent's political affiliation.

I also don't have much sympathy for people that whine to the press over something that was supposedly a joke. Even if the joke was in poor taste, a high school student is plenty old enough to shake it off. Why the hell are so many people's feelings so fragile? Teachers have spouted shiat to me that I disagree with, and it doesn't take that much self confidence to blow it off.

Man up, nancy.
 
2012-10-08 12:46:53 AM

teeny: I have a hard time believing that a high school student with enough political awareness to own an Rmoney shirt somehow doesn't have any clue about her parent's political affiliation.

I also don't have much sympathy for people that whine to the press over something that was supposedly a joke. Even if the joke was in poor taste, a high school student is plenty old enough to shake it off. Why the hell are so many people's feelings so fragile? Teachers have spouted shiat to me that I disagree with, and it doesn't take that much self confidence to blow it off.

Man up, nancy.


Yeah, there is no way they don't know their parents' politics.
 
2012-10-08 12:50:51 AM

Sabyen91: rynthetyn: Sabyen91: rynthetyn: Sabyen91: rynthetyn:
I will say that in real, non-internet, life, the normalcy of a person is inversely related to their willingness to tell you that they were homeschooled. Most of us bring it up as little as possible because we'd rather not trigger people's mental associations with the Duggars or Tim Tebow. The only reason I ever mention it IRL is because at the law school I go to there's an inexplicable preoccupation with where you went to high school (seriously, I graduated in '98, it has not been since '98 that I've had so many conversations that involve, "where did you go to high school?"). Point being, most people's perception of homeschoolers is skewed because the only ones who are public about it are ones who are weird and sheltered.


That is really strange. I am pretty sure "What high school did you attend" never passed my lips (unless I was around 20 and making small talk to try to get laid). I emphasize "try". :)

I think it has something to do with going to a state school. For being one of the most populous states, Florida can be weirdly provincial (hey, it's Florida, "weird" belongs as a modifier on everything in this state), and where you went to high school determines what circles you ran in and who you know. Having done the expensive private liberal arts school route for undergrad, it's a strange world. I understand Florida politics a heck of a lot better now though.

Wisconsin must be really different. The majority of WI public schools are really good (don't include Milwaukee). WI does very well in the ACT (we don't use the SAT) in our public schools. We really don't get the "Public schools are bad" meme the right is selling.

Public schools in Florida are either really good or really bad, there doesn't seem to be much in between. What drags down our test scores is more the fact that they're trying to educate a lot of non-native English speaking kids whose families move around a lot. Our public university syste ...

I think the problem is a lot of native Floridians don't understand English. And by "a lot" I mean the panhandle. farking Southern Alabama.


It's not just the panhandle, it's all of north Florida. Jacksonville is just as bad.
 
2012-10-08 12:52:12 AM

cmb53208: Uh, you did see the many comments from people who said that the teacher was wrong, right? Or are you a perpetual victim?


In his defense, the number of people condemning the teacher is far outweighed by the number claiming this was fabricated, or a publicity stunt, or some combination of the two. It's also outweighed by the number who said something like "well yes it was bad but conservatives are worse" and even by the number who said something like "Kids don't have 1st Amendment rights." And he noted that there were a few who did condemn the teacher. So 'few' may not have been the best term, but it's not too far off.
 
2012-10-08 12:52:29 AM

rynthetyn: Sabyen91: rynthetyn: Sabyen91: rynthetyn: Sabyen91: rynthetyn:
I will say that in real, non-internet, life, the normalcy of a person is inversely related to their willingness to tell you that they were homeschooled. Most of us bring it up as little as possible because we'd rather not trigger people's mental associations with the Duggars or Tim Tebow. The only reason I ever mention it IRL is because at the law school I go to there's an inexplicable preoccupation with where you went to high school (seriously, I graduated in '98, it has not been since '98 that I've had so many conversations that involve, "where did you go to high school?"). Point being, most people's perception of homeschoolers is skewed because the only ones who are public about it are ones who are weird and sheltered.


That is really strange. I am pretty sure "What high school did you attend" never passed my lips (unless I was around 20 and making small talk to try to get laid). I emphasize "try". :)

I think it has something to do with going to a state school. For being one of the most populous states, Florida can be weirdly provincial (hey, it's Florida, "weird" belongs as a modifier on everything in this state), and where you went to high school determines what circles you ran in and who you know. Having done the expensive private liberal arts school route for undergrad, it's a strange world. I understand Florida politics a heck of a lot better now though.

Wisconsin must be really different. The majority of WI public schools are really good (don't include Milwaukee). WI does very well in the ACT (we don't use the SAT) in our public schools. We really don't get the "Public schools are bad" meme the right is selling.

Public schools in Florida are either really good or really bad, there doesn't seem to be much in between. What drags down our test scores is more the fact that they're trying to educate a lot of non-native English speaking kids whose families move around a lot. Our public univer ...


Isn't Jax in the panhandle?
 
2012-10-08 12:54:20 AM

nyseattitude: Spin it harder Self Admitted Paid Troll and you might have Whirlpool nocking at your door.


Where do I go to get paid for posting on Fark? Sounds like a great gig.
 
2012-10-08 12:55:36 AM

muck4doo: nyseattitude: Spin it harder Self Admitted Paid Troll and you might have Whirlpool nocking at your door.

Where do I go to get paid for posting on Fark? Sounds like a great gig.


If you know a Koch brother personally you will probably do pretty well.
 
2012-10-08 12:57:05 AM

Sabyen91: muck4doo: nyseattitude: Spin it harder Self Admitted Paid Troll and you might have Whirlpool nocking at your door.

Where do I go to get paid for posting on Fark? Sounds like a great gig.

If you know a Koch brother personally you will probably do pretty well.


I will have to look them up. I could use the money, and have has past experience on the fark politics threads.
 
2012-10-08 12:57:16 AM

Sabyen91: rynthetyn: Sabyen91: rynthetyn: Sabyen91: rynthetyn: Sabyen91: rynthetyn:
I will say that in real, non-internet, life, the normalcy of a person is inversely related to their willingness to tell you that they were homeschooled. Most of us bring it up as little as possible because we'd rather not trigger people's mental associations with the Duggars or Tim Tebow. The only reason I ever mention it IRL is because at the law school I go to there's an inexplicable preoccupation with where you went to high school (seriously, I graduated in '98, it has not been since '98 that I've had so many conversations that involve, "where did you go to high school?"). Point being, most people's perception of homeschoolers is skewed because the only ones who are public about it are ones who are weird and sheltered.


That is really strange. I am pretty sure "What high school did you attend" never passed my lips (unless I was around 20 and making small talk to try to get laid). I emphasize "try". :)

I think it has something to do with going to a state school. For being one of the most populous states, Florida can be weirdly provincial (hey, it's Florida, "weird" belongs as a modifier on everything in this state), and where you went to high school determines what circles you ran in and who you know. Having done the expensive private liberal arts school route for undergrad, it's a strange world. I understand Florida politics a heck of a lot better now though.

Wisconsin must be really different. The majority of WI public schools are really good (don't include Milwaukee). WI does very well in the ACT (we don't use the SAT) in our public schools. We really don't get the "Public schools are bad" meme the right is selling.

Public schools in Florida are either really good or really bad, there doesn't seem to be much in between. What drags down our test scores is more the fact that they're trying to educate a lot of non-native English speaking kids whose families move around a lot. Our pu ...

Isn't Jax in the panhandle?


The panhandle is more from the big bend area west--aka, south Alabama. Jacksonville is just north Florida, aka, south Georgia.
 
2012-10-08 12:57:58 AM

muck4doo: Sabyen91: muck4doo: nyseattitude: Spin it harder Self Admitted Paid Troll and you might have Whirlpool nocking at your door.

Where do I go to get paid for posting on Fark? Sounds like a great gig.

If you know a Koch brother personally you will probably do pretty well.

I will have to look them up. I could use the money, and have has past experience on the fark politics threads.


I am waiting for my Soros check. I am a bit pissed I haven't yet gotten one.
 
2012-10-08 01:00:22 AM

rynthetyn: Sabyen91: rynthetyn: Sabyen91: rynthetyn: Sabyen91: rynthetyn: Sabyen91: rynthetyn:
I will say that in real, non-internet, life, the normalcy of a person is inversely related to their willingness to tell you that they were homeschooled. Most of us bring it up as little as possible because we'd rather not trigger people's mental associations with the Duggars or Tim Tebow. The only reason I ever mention it IRL is because at the law school I go to there's an inexplicable preoccupation with where you went to high school (seriously, I graduated in '98, it has not been since '98 that I've had so many conversations that involve, "where did you go to high school?"). Point being, most people's perception of homeschoolers is skewed because the only ones who are public about it are ones who are weird and sheltered.


That is really strange. I am pretty sure "What high school did you attend" never passed my lips (unless I was around 20 and making small talk to try to get laid). I emphasize "try". :)

I think it has something to do with going to a state school. For being one of the most populous states, Florida can be weirdly provincial (hey, it's Florida, "weird" belongs as a modifier on everything in this state), and where you went to high school determines what circles you ran in and who you know. Having done the expensive private liberal arts school route for undergrad, it's a strange world. I understand Florida politics a heck of a lot better now though.

Wisconsin must be really different. The majority of WI public schools are really good (don't include Milwaukee). WI does very well in the ACT (we don't use the SAT) in our public schools. We really don't get the "Public schools are bad" meme the right is selling.

Public schools in Florida are either really good or really bad, there doesn't seem to be much in between. What drags down our test scores is more the fact that they're trying to educate a lot of non-native English speaking kids whose families move around a l ...>

Hmm, my mom was down there in the late 60's. I believe I have talked about this. She insisted on taking people first come first serve whether they were white or black. I am really proud of that old biatch. :)

 
2012-10-08 01:00:48 AM
Not helping!
The last thing any Democrat wants to hear is a good reason for the right to whoop, howl and derp.
Freedom of speech is just that.
 
2012-10-08 01:03:45 AM

Lionel Mandrake: You conservatives do like to generalize, don't you

/yes, I realize I just generalized


There's nothing wrong with generalizing. It's the fundamental basis of deductive logic.  I like generalizing, but I make efforts to safeguard against hasty generalizations.
 
2012-10-08 01:04:18 AM

ItchyMcDoogle: Not helping!
The last thing any Democrat wants to hear is a good reason for the right to whoop, howl and derp.
Freedom of speech is just that.


School is apparently the last place that the 1st amendment is applicable, though.
 
2012-10-08 01:07:44 AM

DubyaHater: I guarantee if she was wearing an Obama/Biden t-shirt, everyone in this thread would be crying racism.
/Obama voter
//the bias on this website is quite obvious
///welcome to Fark, blah blah blah


It's rather telling that you simply assume that everyone around you is a mindless partisan zombie.
 
2012-10-08 01:08:28 AM

Sabyen91: Hmm, my mom was down there in the late 60's. I believe I have talked about this. She insisted on taking people first come first serve whether they were white or black. I am really proud of that old biatch. :)


Given how bad much of North Florida still is, that's quite worth being proud of. I know a kid from Jacksonville who, upon coming out as gay to his mom had is mom tell him, "I could have eventually gotten over you marrying a black girl but not this." Yep, it's 2012 and in North Florida the idea of your son a marrying a black girl is something to be "gotten over" that's only slightly less horrifying than the possibility of your son bringing home a guy.
 
2012-10-08 01:08:48 AM

Gordon Bennett: DubyaHater: I guarantee if she was wearing an Obama/Biden t-shirt, everyone in this thread would be crying racism.
/Obama voter
//the bias on this website is quite obvious
///welcome to Fark, blah blah blah

It's rather telling that you simply assume that everyone around you is a mindless partisan zombie.


Meh, how is he wrong?
 
2012-10-08 01:11:51 AM

rynthetyn: Sabyen91: Hmm, my mom was down there in the late 60's. I believe I have talked about this. She insisted on taking people first come first serve whether they were white or black. I am really proud of that old biatch. :)


Given how bad much of North Florida still is, that's quite worth being proud of. I know a kid from Jacksonville who, upon coming out as gay to his mom had is mom tell him, "I could have eventually gotten over you marrying a black girl but not this." Yep, it's 2012 and in North Florida the idea of your son a marrying a black girl is something to be "gotten over" that's only slightly less horrifying than the possibility of your son bringing home a guy.


I hear you. She probably took her life in her own hands back then. She told me she didn't realize what she was doing and that she was just doing what she thought was right. Being a Yankee in the south in the 60's must have been crazy.
 
2012-10-08 01:16:12 AM
The only problem I have with this is that the person doing the accosting was in a clear position of authority over the object of her wrath. That's not right, especially when children are involved.

But yeah, pretty much everyone wearing a Romney/Ryan shirt should be told to GTFO and get back to their Klan meeting.
 
2012-10-08 01:20:32 AM

jmadisonbiii: indylaw: cman: loveblondieo: Here's another article naming the teacher and reporting on some of the backlash she's gotten.

FTA: Sophomore Samantha Pawlucy said Gaymon called her out for wearing the shirt and told her it was analogous to the teacher, who is black, wearing a KKK shirt.

Jesus, a teacher said this?

We all know that we can always take the uncorroborated word of a partisan child hack as gospel.

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Yeah it usually ends badly.
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Didn't end so badly for the piece of shiat on the left.
/resist we much
 
2012-10-08 01:22:24 AM

Sabyen91: rynthetyn: Sabyen91: Hmm, my mom was down there in the late 60's. I believe I have talked about this. She insisted on taking people first come first serve whether they were white or black. I am really proud of that old biatch. :)


Given how bad much of North Florida still is, that's quite worth being proud of. I know a kid from Jacksonville who, upon coming out as gay to his mom had is mom tell him, "I could have eventually gotten over you marrying a black girl but not this." Yep, it's 2012 and in North Florida the idea of your son a marrying a black girl is something to be "gotten over" that's only slightly less horrifying than the possibility of your son bringing home a guy.

I hear you. She probably took her life in her own hands back then. She told me she didn't realize what she was doing and that she was just doing what she thought was right. Being a Yankee in the south in the 60's must have been crazy.


My grandparents moved from rural Pennsylvania to Florida in 1960 right before my mom started her junior year of high school. Her school was integrated a year after she graduated and I grew up hearing about how much she regretted that she was completely oblivious to what was going on at the time. I think part of my views on social justice and the importance of activism come from hearing my mom talk about how much she regrets being on the sidelines when she should have spoken up.
 
2012-10-08 01:26:11 AM

The Name: But yeah, pretty much everyone wearing a Romney/Ryan shirt should be told to GTFO and get back to their Klan meeting.


You sound a cool guy, not at all like a frothing anti-social lunatic.
 
2012-10-08 01:27:20 AM

Sabyen91: I am waiting for my Soros check. I am a bit pissed I haven't yet gotten one.


Bummer. :(
 
2012-10-08 01:27:42 AM

rynthetyn: Sabyen91: rynthetyn: Sabyen91: Hmm, my mom was down there in the late 60's. I believe I have talked about this. She insisted on taking people first come first serve whether they were white or black. I am really proud of that old biatch. :)


Given how bad much of North Florida still is, that's quite worth being proud of. I know a kid from Jacksonville who, upon coming out as gay to his mom had is mom tell him, "I could have eventually gotten over you marrying a black girl but not this." Yep, it's 2012 and in North Florida the idea of your son a marrying a black girl is something to be "gotten over" that's only slightly less horrifying than the possibility of your son bringing home a guy.

I hear you. She probably took her life in her own hands back then. She told me she didn't realize what she was doing and that she was just doing what she thought was right. Being a Yankee in the south in the 60's must have been crazy.

My grandparents moved from rural Pennsylvania to Florida in 1960 right before my mom started her junior year of high school. Her school was integrated a year after she graduated and I grew up hearing about how much she regretted that she was completely oblivious to what was going on at the time. I think part of my views on social justice and the importance of activism come from hearing my mom talk about how much she regrets being on the sidelines when she should have spoken up.


I really think my mom didn't understand the idiotic shiat going on in the south. My dad went to the AF base and my mom had to work at a restaurant. She did not allow the white folks cutting in line. She is not dead so it must not have been TOO bad. :)
 
2012-10-08 01:28:25 AM

muck4doo: Sabyen91: I am waiting for my Soros check. I am a bit pissed I haven't yet gotten one.

Bummer. :(


I need that Soros check!
 
2012-10-08 01:31:02 AM
I remember when some COLORS were banned at school, due to gang associations.
 
2012-10-08 01:31:43 AM

Sabyen91: rynthetyn: Sabyen91: rynthetyn: Sabyen91: Hmm, my mom was down there in the late 60's. I believe I have talked about this. She insisted on taking people first come first serve whether they were white or black. I am really proud of that old biatch. :)


Given how bad much of North Florida still is, that's quite worth being proud of. I know a kid from Jacksonville who, upon coming out as gay to his mom had is mom tell him, "I could have eventually gotten over you marrying a black girl but not this." Yep, it's 2012 and in North Florida the idea of your son a marrying a black girl is something to be "gotten over" that's only slightly less horrifying than the possibility of your son bringing home a guy.

I hear you. She probably took her life in her own hands back then. She told me she didn't realize what she was doing and that she was just doing what she thought was right. Being a Yankee in the south in the 60's must have been crazy.

My grandparents moved from rural Pennsylvania to Florida in 1960 right before my mom started her junior year of high school. Her school was integrated a year after she graduated and I grew up hearing about how much she regretted that she was completely oblivious to what was going on at the time. I think part of my views on social justice and the importance of activism come from hearing my mom talk about how much she regrets being on the sidelines when she should have spoken up.

I really think my mom didn't understand the idiotic shiat going on in the south. My dad went to the AF base and my mom had to work at a restaurant. She did not allow the white folks cutting in line. She is not dead so it must not have been TOO bad. :)


Yeah, I think a lot of people from the north didn't really know just how bad it was. My dad tells the story of going on vacation to the south as a kid, touring a factory, and getting yelled at for drinking out of the "black" water fountain--before then, he didn't know that such a thing as segregation existed.
 
2012-10-08 01:35:50 AM

rynthetyn: Sabyen91: rynthetyn: Sabyen91: rynthetyn: Sabyen91: Hmm, my mom was down there in the late 60's. I believe I have talked about this. She insisted on taking people first come first serve whether they were white or black. I am really proud of that old biatch. :)


Given how bad much of North Florida still is, that's quite worth being proud of. I know a kid from Jacksonville who, upon coming out as gay to his mom had is mom tell him, "I could have eventually gotten over you marrying a black girl but not this." Yep, it's 2012 and in North Florida the idea of your son a marrying a black girl is something to be "gotten over" that's only slightly less horrifying than the possibility of your son bringing home a guy.

I hear you. She probably took her life in her own hands back then. She told me she didn't realize what she was doing and that she was just doing what she thought was right. Being a Yankee in the south in the 60's must have been crazy.

My grandparents moved from rural Pennsylvania to Florida in 1960 right before my mom started her junior year of high school. Her school was integrated a year after she graduated and I grew up hearing about how much she regretted that she was completely oblivious to what was going on at the time. I think part of my views on social justice and the importance of activism come from hearing my mom talk about how much she regrets being on the sidelines when she should have spoken up.

I really think my mom didn't understand the idiotic shiat going on in the south. My dad went to the AF base and my mom had to work at a restaurant. She did not allow the white folks cutting in line. She is not dead so it must not have been TOO bad. :)

Yeah, I think a lot of people from the north didn't really know just how bad it was. My dad tells the story of going on vacation to the south as a kid, touring a factory, and getting yelled at for drinking out of the "black" water fountain--before then, he didn't know that such a thing as segregation ...


My mom did tell me about how her co-workers didn't get her. They had no clue why she was treating black people equally.
 
2012-10-08 01:51:06 AM

Sabyen91: rynthetyn: Sabyen91: rynthetyn: Sabyen91: rynthetyn: Sabyen91: Hmm, my mom was down there in the late 60's. I believe I have talked about this. She insisted on taking people first come first serve whether they were white or black. I am really proud of that old biatch. :)


Given how bad much of North Florida still is, that's quite worth being proud of. I know a kid from Jacksonville who, upon coming out as gay to his mom had is mom tell him, "I could have eventually gotten over you marrying a black girl but not this." Yep, it's 2012 and in North Florida the idea of your son a marrying a black girl is something to be "gotten over" that's only slightly less horrifying than the possibility of your son bringing home a guy.

I hear you. She probably took her life in her own hands back then. She told me she didn't realize what she was doing and that she was just doing what she thought was right. Being a Yankee in the south in the 60's must have been crazy.

My grandparents moved from rural Pennsylvania to Florida in 1960 right before my mom started her junior year of high school. Her school was integrated a year after she graduated and I grew up hearing about how much she regretted that she was completely oblivious to what was going on at the time. I think part of my views on social justice and the importance of activism come from hearing my mom talk about how much she regrets being on the sidelines when she should have spoken up.

I really think my mom didn't understand the idiotic shiat going on in the south. My dad went to the AF base and my mom had to work at a restaurant. She did not allow the white folks cutting in line. She is not dead so it must not have been TOO bad. :)

Yeah, I think a lot of people from the north didn't really know just how bad it was. My dad tells the story of going on vacation to the south as a kid, touring a factory, and getting yelled at for drinking out of the "black" water fountain--before then, he didn't know that such a thing as ...

My mom did tell me about how her co-workers didn't get her. They had no clue why she was treating black people equally.



Can't say that I'm surprised by that. Even in the mid-90s I knew people who were surprised that my parents didn't have a problem with interracial marriage--the idea that someone thought black people aren't any different than white people was a foreign concept.
 
2012-10-08 01:54:54 AM

bigstoopidbruce: Cymbal: I really don't see much difference in Romney/Ryan and the KKK. They both get off on oppressing minorities, the KKK is just less effective at it now that they don't have much political clout at the federal level.

1/10


I agree with Cymbal. I take it you do not?
 
2012-10-08 01:57:38 AM
Keep in mind that I am VERY liberal. The first thought that went through my mind upon reading this was complete rage at the teacher. How in the world can someone whose job it is to introduce new ideas to people do something like that. One of the core tenets of liberalism is that people have the right to think and express whatever they want to.

Then, I realized that this student may well be lying. Kids love to attract attention to themselves.

Anyhow, if this story is true, I hope that that teacher gets tossed out of the classroom and loses her teaching license, because that person has no business being in the classroom
If the kid is lying, I hope she gets shamed endlessly for doing that to someone.
 
2012-10-08 02:24:40 AM

HeartBurnKid: Just Another OC Homeless Guy: Dwight_Yeast: Just Another OC Homeless Guy: Dress codes. How wurk?

Funny, it was the Conservatives in this country who pushed schools to adopt dress codes in the first place.

Yeah, I think that was generally the case.

So?

So, most school dress codes ban clothes that feature slogans or stances on controversial issues. And given how extraordinarily polarized the electorate is, the Presidential election is definitely a controversial issue. So it's entirely possible that this kid violated her school's dress code. And since conservatives pushed for dress codes in the first place, there's a certain "hoist by your own petard" feel to it.


I suppose.
 
2012-10-08 03:13:40 AM

darkedgefan: No surprise here. I am sure 90% of college professors vote for Dems... Does anyone dispute that? I wonder how high it is for High School teachers? 75%?? I love those "tolerant" liberals.



So the smartest most well read people on subjects are more liberal, that should tell you something about your viewpoint.
 
2012-10-08 03:52:15 AM

intelligent comment below: darkedgefan: No surprise here. I am sure 90% of college professors vote for Dems... Does anyone dispute that? I wonder how high it is for High School teachers? 75%?? I love those "tolerant" liberals.


So the smartest most well read people on subjects are more liberal, that should tell you something about your viewpoint.


The smartest most well read people belong to unions that rip off the public to benefit themselves. That is true.
 
2012-10-08 06:25:13 AM

muck4doo: nyseattitude: Spin it harder Self Admitted Paid Troll and you might have Whirlpool nocking at your door.

Where do I go to get paid for posting on Fark? Sounds like a great gig.


Your pesos are waiting for you back home, I'm sure.
 
2012-10-08 06:35:36 AM

ghare: muck4doo: nyseattitude: Spin it harder Self Admitted Paid Troll and you might have Whirlpool nocking at your door.

Where do I go to get paid for posting on Fark? Sounds like a great gig.

Your pesos are waiting for you back home, I'm sure.


Can you ever comment without being a racist douche? Seriously, did a mexican rape you or your sister? You have a lot of hate.
 
2012-10-08 06:54:59 AM

muck4doo: intelligent comment below: darkedgefan: No surprise here. I am sure 90% of college professors vote for Dems... Does anyone dispute that? I wonder how high it is for High School teachers? 75%?? I love those "tolerant" liberals.


So the smartest most well read people on subjects are more liberal, that should tell you something about your viewpoint.

The smartest most well read people belong to unions that rip off the public to benefit themselves exercise the right to assemble. That is true.


That's the actual truth. 

Constitution...how does it work?
 
2012-10-08 07:09:36 AM

Mike_LowELL: Rumor has it on a site whose name I forgot from a certain poster that the kid was sent to Guantanamo. Disgusting. We used to send terrorists there. Now we send Republicans.


I can kind of see this.
 
2012-10-08 07:39:10 AM

Lorelle: "If it was a joke between two adults, I can take a joke like that but (my daughter) didn't know how to take it. She doesn't understand, she actually thinks she did something wrong," her father, Richard Pawlucy, said.

If the kid doesn't understand the potential consequences of wearing such a shirt, perhaps she shouldn't wear it in the first place.

It's quite obvious that her parents put her up to it.


I wouldn't vote for Romney in a million years (not being an American is the least contributing factor) but this kid should get a little respect for expressing her political leanings. What was the turnout percentage in the last Federal election? As I recall it was about as dismal as the turnout in Canada's last run. The next generation needs to be reinforced in having an interest in politics, not discouraged for making a choice her teachers don't approve of. Her life experiences will finesse her booth scribbles over time. One shouldn't trample on that even in jest.
 
2012-10-08 07:39:25 AM

clkeagle: Despite how much I detest the Romney/Ryan ticket... this story really bothers me.

CSB time: spent three years with a girl whose family was ultra-ultra-partisan Democrat. Like to the point that her sister called me a "baby killer" when I came home in uniform. It took an extreme turn at the '04 election, when even her 8 year old brother couldn't get through a dinner without parroting "Bush is such an idiot."

At that moment, I swore my own children would never be indoctrinated like that. Now, when my 5 year old comes out and sees us laughing at Jon Stewart, we explain to her that everyone in this country gets to vote. And we personally think the president we have now is much better than Romney, but it's okay when other people disagree with us.

Obviously she'll pick up (or specifically rebel against) many of our biases just by being around us. But I'll be damned if my child will become a blind cult follower - even if it's my cult.

Back to the story - the student may just be AWing (both by wearing the shirt and by making a big deal out of this), but the teacher handled it really poorly. If a teacher wants to meddle politically, take 15 minutes out of your curriculum and encourage your students to have a structured debate. Especially on the topic of support for public education.


I do my best not to indoctrinate the wee ones, but there are just some things you can't explain. Like the time when my son and I were walking through a shopping center parking lot (he's 6 at the time), and someone backs out in front of us, almost knocking us over. The driver, unprompted, flicks us off and drives away. Sometimes kids want to know why people are acting strangely. I looked at the rear of the car, and it was filled with NOBama and Bush stickers. I said, "don't worry about it. He's a Republican."
 
2012-10-08 07:53:45 AM

Rich Cream: You sound tired too


no, the liberal excuses sound tired, really.

 
2012-10-08 07:55:59 AM
Being from Wisconsin, I could almost imagine if this were a kid wearing a pro-Walker shirt to school, to a public school. I wouldn't compare it to the KKK, but it's still bad form. Remember when we, as a society, used to respect educators? Now we have this whole thing about kids being able to show up for their free schooling, wearing a shirt that embodies "Screw you teachers, screw all the hours you're not paid for that you spend planning lessons, screw all the out of pocket expenses you sacrifice for things for our classrooms, and screw your caring that kids learn something... And public schools are socialism! Even though I'm in one right now."
 
2012-10-08 07:56:58 AM

Kibbler: Snowflake was humiliated. We need a full investigation. A true hate crime. Somebody call Desmond Tutu and check his schedule. We need towels and hot water, and generators and a six month food supply and a communication console. Let's move, people. The fate of the free world is in our...

Wait. I just got word het parents don't pay federal income tax. You believe that? Fark that biatch.


The comment was uncalled for and not even close to being a joke. A black teacher compares a white students tee shirt to being the same as the KKK. If other black students are in the class, is there a chance they feel the teacher put this student in with the KKK and now she is a target.

The teacher is racist and isn't getting called out for it here on the new gay liberal Fark
 
2012-10-08 07:59:19 AM

Kittypie070: Nice to be reminded every now and then why I threw vegasj out the airlock.

With no suit.

eh, ignore is for pussies that have no argument.



Sabyen91: Heh, find any race thread and you will remember why you threw him out


Don't hate me that the news reports the way it is.

 
2012-10-08 08:02:38 AM

heavymetal: We have people who homeschool where I work (I'm an engineer). They are also very versed in the defense of home schooling. I have heard all of it despite once never questioning their choice; they just seem naturally defensive on the subject. They are also very churchy/religious people and tend to be bothered that I do not attend a church. I have found a perfect way to troll them on the issue though. I got ordained as a minister on the internet and tell them I "Home Church". While they want to criticize it, any criticism would mirror that of a home school criticism. Now they generally avoid the subject with me.


Brilliant. Simply brilliant.

+1 internet to you good sir.
 
2012-10-08 08:19:17 AM

abb3w: student rights


huh... I distinctly remember not having rights until after I graduated. I had "privileges". Overbearing administration of draconian codes of conduct just gets press coverage these days.
 
2012-10-08 08:45:26 AM

Weaver95: abb3w: vpb: This sounds a lot like those stories where the pledge of allegiance and the flag are supposedly banned by evil liberal teachers.

Here, however, the principal made the teacher apologize, and there's an investigation ongoing. The kid has the right to wear the T-shirt; the teacher was in the wrong, and should get some remedial training on the bounds of student freedom of expression.

That said, the political right will have fun hyping this up as an infringement of student rights. For contrast, the reaction by the right wingers at the Blaze over the "Jesus is not a homophobe" T-shirt back in April.

so basically it's ok to wear pro-conservative tee shirts to class, but 'bong hits for jesus' ain't gonna happen...?


So Im sure you guys would also support a student wearing a 'Mohammad was a pedophile' T-shirt.

You really cant see any difference between a Romney/Ryan shirt and a 'Jesus was not a homophobe' shirt.
 
2012-10-08 08:56:29 AM
"If it was a joke between two adults, I can take a joke like that but (my daughter) didn't know how to take it. She doesn't understand, she actually thinks she did something wrong," her father, Richard Pawlucy, said.

She doesn't understand even after it's been explained to her? Is this a special ed school?
 
2012-10-08 09:02:01 AM
"The teacher told me to get out of the classroom, I said no," Samantha said.
...
"I can just picture her sitting there, feeling ashamed for just wearing a T-shirt," said her mother, Christine Pawlucy. "That someone could spin that and throw it back on a 16-year-old child and make her feel so terrible."


Then I guess she should have obeyed authority and left the classroom.

Seriously, she stood up to the teacher, but then complains about the treatment she got after doing so?

She should be proud of standing up for herself, but instead she is being treated as a victim of a terrible liberal ogre.

She appears to be a perfect representation of the modern GOP.
 
2012-10-08 09:07:19 AM
Ahem. I'll just put this here:

Tinker v. Demoines
 
2012-10-08 09:12:46 AM
the republicans are getting desperate. they are still well behind in the polls.
 
2012-10-08 09:15:07 AM
reminds me how much a 16 year old knows of the world. but she will most definitly find out eventually.
 
2012-10-08 09:23:33 AM
Isn't that the same douchebag who documented phallic symbols/structures at Denver Airport? I'm pretty sure The Daily Show did a segment on him.
 
2012-10-08 09:27:11 AM

pdee: So Im sure you guys would also support a student wearing a 'Mohammad was a pedophile' T-shirt.


As a matter of law, it's probably too overtly sexual a message for middle or elementary school, and likely to meet the standard of being judged likely to "materially and substantially disrupt the work and discipline of the school" per Tinker v Des Moines (which radiobiz alluded to). High school, it might or might not pass muster.

As a matter of politics, I'd be fine with it myself. I think the standard from Tinker is too often interpreted by the courts with social norms trumping student speech, particularly Morse v Frederick. However, I'm not a K-12 teacher and don't have kids myself; parents may have stronger opinions, and some manner of rationale to back them up.
 
2012-10-08 09:46:05 AM
Schools should be teaching students how to think, not what to think
 
2012-10-08 09:46:14 AM
You know, I expected to see the "Hero" tag out there for this phuqin' Libtard twit of a teacher. Why? Because this is the politics tab, and you FarkLibs actually believe Romney is the Grand Wizard of the KKK.

You're slipping, Politics Tab.
 
2012-10-08 09:47:21 AM

Just Another OC Homeless Guy: Dress codes. How wurk?


She forgot to pull her britches half-way down her legs. Isn't that how the new generation of MTV fashion sportin' FarkLib children dress?
 
2012-10-08 09:48:24 AM

Just Another OC Homeless Guy: Dress codes. How wurk?


Oh, and Friday dress-down day: How wurk?
 
2012-10-08 09:50:51 AM

cman: cman: loveblondieo: Here's another article naming the teacher and reporting on some of the backlash she's gotten.

FTA: Sophomore Samantha Pawlucy said Gaymon called her out for wearing the shirt and told her it was analogous to the teacher, who is black, wearing a KKK shirt.

Jesus, a teacher said this?

Before anyone takes my comment the wrong way, I would like to point out that my context was about professionalism.


DON'T WALK IT BACK, MAN!!

/I used to look up to you.
 
2012-10-08 09:56:03 AM
I wasn't allowed to wear my Crucifarks shirt or The Accused - Martha farkin' Splatterhead. So it doesn't surprise me that she couldn't wear a shirt that says "farktard1/farkstard2 2012" either.

/stupid she couldn't wear it though
//stupid for wearing it though
 
2012-10-08 10:33:41 AM

Lorelle: "If it was a joke between two adults, I can take a joke like that but (my daughter) didn't know how to take it. She doesn't understand, she actually thinks she did something wrong," her father, Richard Pawlucy, said.

If the kid doesn't understand the potential consequences of wearing such a shirt, perhaps she shouldn't wear it in the first place.

It's quite obvious that her parents put her up to it.

 

Yup, in a lot of cases over the years I recall that one or both of the parents were right wing/fundamentalist Christians and lawyers. Using their kid as a pawn to get attention and sue the school board, the school, the teacher and scream to the media how their snowflakes free speech rights were trampled.

You know, Westboro Baptist Church-quality people.
 
2012-10-08 11:00:12 AM

Tumunga: Just Another OC Homeless Guy: Dress codes. How wurk?

Oh, and Friday dress-down day: How wurk?


Oh wow, someone else who didn't bother to read the comments before posting.
 
2012-10-08 11:21:29 AM

pdee: Weaver95: abb3w: vpb: This sounds a lot like those stories where the pledge of allegiance and the flag are supposedly banned by evil liberal teachers.

Here, however, the principal made the teacher apologize, and there's an investigation ongoing. The kid has the right to wear the T-shirt; the teacher was in the wrong, and should get some remedial training on the bounds of student freedom of expression.

That said, the political right will have fun hyping this up as an infringement of student rights. For contrast, the reaction by the right wingers at the Blaze over the "Jesus is not a homophobe" T-shirt back in April.

so basically it's ok to wear pro-conservative tee shirts to class, but 'bong hits for jesus' ain't gonna happen...?

So Im sure you guys would also support a student wearing a 'Mohammad was a pedophile' T-shirt.

You really cant see any difference between a Romney/Ryan shirt and a 'Jesus was not a homophobe' shirt.


Um...there's no difference. But shirts are political statements. Neither shirt is nasty or an attack on anyone else. The hypothetical "Mohammed is a pedophile" shirt is definitely an attack on people of that faith and should not be allowed in school, neither should a "Jesus is a pedophile" shirt, or a "Republicans are assholes" shirt, or whatever.
 
2012-10-08 11:27:11 AM

Waldo Pepper: Kibbler: Snowflake was humiliated. We need a full investigation. A true hate crime. Somebody call Desmond Tutu and check his schedule. We need towels and hot water, and generators and a six month food supply and a communication console. Let's move, people. The fate of the free world is in our...

Wait. I just got word het parents don't pay federal income tax. You believe that? Fark that biatch.

The comment was uncalled for and not even close to being a joke. A black teacher compares a white students tee shirt to being the same as the KKK. If other black students are in the class, is there a chance they feel the teacher put this student in with the KKK and now she is a target.

The teacher is racist and isn't getting called out for it here on the new gay liberal Fark


The teacher's race is not mentioned. Curious that you would assume she is black. /There's nothing "racist" about her behavior. Cun*y, yes. Racist, no.
 
d23 [TotalFark]
2012-10-08 11:36:02 AM

Tumunga: You know, I expected to see the "Hero" tag out there for this phuqin' Libtard twit of a teacher. Why? Because this is the politics tab, and you FarkLibs actually believe Romney is the Grand Wizard of the KKK.

You're slipping, Politics Tab.


Here's my take on it: not all Romney supporters are racists, but all racists are Romney supporters.
 
2012-10-08 11:37:24 AM
She's trolling. High schoolers don't care about politics unless they have an axe (their parents') to grind.
 
d23 [TotalFark]
2012-10-08 11:37:24 AM

radiobiz: Ahem. I'll just put this here:

Tinker v. Demoines


It gives me a belly laugh to think that today's SCOTUS would uphold anyone non-corporation's rights, let alone someone under 18.
 
2012-10-08 11:52:31 AM
*WARNING* CSB ahead:

Romney's campaign office is on the first floor of my office building. There's Romney/Ryan bumper stickers all over the place because they hand them out to anyone and a lot of people have been wearing their Romney t-shirts they got downstairs. One of the guys I work with wore his Obama 2012 shirt to try and balance things out and just as we suspected, building management contacted HR about one of our employees "who's attire was disrespectful and harassing of other tenants in the building". HR and our CEO offered a heart felt "GO FARK YOURSELF" to the building management company.

Bonus: HR and the CEO are hard core Republicans.

tl;dr
Romney's campaign staff is a bunch of pussies.
/as if you didn't know
 
2012-10-08 02:01:01 PM
I saw people get drunk and start rubbing their dicks on the Romney/Ryan campaign center this weekend.

I lol'd.
 
2012-10-08 02:34:31 PM
According to the other articles (most linked above) both sides have been receiving death threats over this teacher's comments.

Yes, you read that right- Both the bully (Teacher Lynette Gaymon) and the victim (Samantha Pawlucy) have been receiving death threats over the telephone...

What the hell is wrong with people out there? Sure the teacher should be and likely will be fired, and sure there are retards out there who feel the need to pester her. But why the hatred towards the victim? This doesn't make sense to me at all.
 
2012-10-08 02:43:09 PM

The My Little Pony Killer: She's trolling. High schoolers don't care about politics unless they have an axe (their parents') to grind.


You're ridiculous. Lots of high schoolers care about politics. I certainly did. And even if she was "trolling", she has a farking right to wear a shirt supporting her candidate.

I'm blown away by how many hypocritical farkers there are on here, dismissing this girl or pretending not to believe her. Come on, guys. We're supposed to be better than the farking Republicans.
 
2012-10-08 03:37:40 PM

eddiesocket: The My Little Pony Killer: She's trolling. High schoolers don't care about politics unless they have an axe (their parents') to grind.

You're ridiculous. Lots of high schoolers care about politics. I certainly did. And even if she was "trolling", she has a farking right to wear a shirt supporting her candidate.

I'm blown away by how many hypocritical farkers there are on here, dismissing this girl or pretending not to believe her. Come on, guys. We're supposed to be better than the farking Republicans.


She has every right to wear the shirt, IMO, but I still don't believe that she is both (A) sufficiently interested in politics to have a preference for one candidate over another and (B) unaware of whether her parents are Republicans. If she's sufficiently interested in politics that she wears a t-shirt supporting a candidate, I suspect that she would have at least broached the subject with mom and dad. This just doesn't pass the smell test for me.

Maybe I'm wrong. Maybe she has such a crappy home life that she's afraid to talk to her parents about anything substantial, but that's not what it sounds like.
 
2012-10-08 03:38:39 PM

FloydA: She has every right to wear the shirt, IMO, but I still don't believe that she is both (A) sufficiently interested in politics to have a preference for one candidate over another and (B) unaware of whether her parents are Republicans. If she's sufficiently interested in politics that she wears a t-shirt supporting a candidate, I suspect that she would have at least broached the subject with mom and dad. This just doesn't pass the smell test for me.

Maybe I'm wrong. Maybe she has such a crappy home life that she's afraid to talk to her parents about anything substantial, but that's not what it sounds like.


And your point?
 
2012-10-08 04:32:29 PM

Just Another OC Homeless Guy: Tumunga: Just Another OC Homeless Guy: Dress codes. How wurk?

Oh, and Friday dress-down day: How wurk?

Oh wow, someone else who didn't bother to read the comments before posting.


I'm supposed to read EVERYTHING before I have a knee-jerk reaction to a post?

NOPE, NOT HERE! NOT IN THE POLITICS TAB!!1!

I guess your troll post worked. You got 2 bites, and you were corrected twice...maybe more. I'm not going to read the rest of the posts to find out.

/Looks like the corrections are what got you spinning around in your mom's basement chair.
 
2012-10-08 05:11:39 PM

d23: Tumunga: You know, I expected to see the "Hero" tag out there for this phuqin' Libtard twit of a teacher. Why? Because this is the politics tab, and you FarkLibs actually believe Romney is the Grand Wizard of the KKK.

You're slipping, Politics Tab.

Here's my take on it: not all Romney supporters are racists, but all racists are Romney supporters.


supportyourlocalgunfighter.com
img.perezhilton.com
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media.screened.com
jessejackson.net
www.nndb.com
i.huffpost.com
 
2012-10-08 05:35:47 PM

Tumunga: Just Another OC Homeless Guy: Tumunga: Just Another OC Homeless Guy: Dress codes. How wurk?

Oh, and Friday dress-down day: How wurk?

Oh wow, someone else who didn't bother to read the comments before posting.

I'm supposed to read EVERYTHING before I have a knee-jerk reaction to a post?

NOPE, NOT HERE! NOT IN THE POLITICS TAB!!1!

I guess your troll post worked. You got 2 bites, and you were corrected twice...maybe more. I'm not going to read the rest of the posts to find out.

/Looks like the corrections are what got you spinning around in your mom's basement chair.


Oh look. some else who doesn't understand English.
 
2012-10-08 05:41:13 PM

eddiesocket: FloydA: She has every right to wear the shirt, IMO, but I still don't believe that she is both (A) sufficiently interested in politics to have a preference for one candidate over another and (B) unaware of whether her parents are Republicans. If she's sufficiently interested in politics that she wears a t-shirt supporting a candidate, I suspect that she would have at least broached the subject with mom and dad. This just doesn't pass the smell test for me.

Maybe I'm wrong. Maybe she has such a crappy home life that she's afraid to talk to her parents about anything substantial, but that's not what it sounds like.

And your point?



You suggested people were " pretending not to believe her." My point is I'm not pretending, I just wanted to explain why this whole thing smells fishy to me.

If she's politically aware enough to support a candidate, surely she would also be aware of her parents' political opinions, but she claimed that she did not know. That struck me as incongruous and highly unlikely. There's nothing hypocritical about not believing a hard to believe story.
 
2012-10-08 06:23:54 PM

FloydA: eddiesocket: FloydA: She has every right to wear the shirt, IMO, but I still don't believe that she is both (A) sufficiently interested in politics to have a preference for one candidate over another and (B) unaware of whether her parents are Republicans. If she's sufficiently interested in politics that she wears a t-shirt supporting a candidate, I suspect that she would have at least broached the subject with mom and dad. This just doesn't pass the smell test for me.

Maybe I'm wrong. Maybe she has such a crappy home life that she's afraid to talk to her parents about anything substantial, but that's not what it sounds like.

And your point?


You suggested people were " pretending not to believe her." My point is I'm not pretending, I just wanted to explain why this whole thing smells fishy to me.

If she's politically aware enough to support a candidate, surely she would also be aware of her parents' political opinions, but she claimed that she did not know. That struck me as incongruous and highly unlikely. There's nothing hypocritical about not believing a hard to believe story.


Maybe she just didn't want to answer the teacher's loaded question. It was none of the teacher's business who her parents support. And for the record, the teacher does not deny the veracity of this story and has apologized.

For the life of me, I can't believe anyone is attacking this girl. It's nuts. Let's say you're right. Let's say Occam's Razor is a tard and your extremely unlikely theory that this girl is some sort of diabolical Machevellian genius is correct. Let's say she doesn't care about Romney and wore the shirt specifically because she knew her teacher was an easily manipulated crazy coont who would yell at her over it and the girl wanted to get her fired.
Well guess what? Turns out the teacher is an easily manipulated crazy coont who deserves to be fired.
Well done, girl who secretly doesn't care about Romney! Mission Accomplished!
Why are people attacking her, again? I'm genuinely confused.
 
2012-10-08 07:06:35 PM

eddiesocket:

Maybe she just didn't want to answer the teacher's loaded question. It was none of the teacher's business who her parents support. And for the record, the teacher does not deny the veracity of this story and has apologized.

For the life of me, I can't believe anyone is attacking this girl. It's nuts. Let's say you're right. Let's say Occam's Razor is a tard and your extremely unlikely theory that this girl is some sort of diabolical Machevellian genius is correct. Let's say she doesn't care about Romney and wore the shirt specifically because she knew her teacher was an easily manipulated crazy coont who would yell at her over it and the girl wanted to get her fired.
Well guess what? Turns out the teacher is an easily manipulated crazy coont who deserves to be fired.
Well done, girl who secretly doesn't care about Romney! Mission Accomplished!
Why are people attacking her ...



You're arguing against Eastwood's chair right now, because this rant has no connection to my post whatsoever.

A) I am not "attacking" anyone, just doubting the veracity of the story as it has been reported
B) I have already said, several times, that the girl has every right to wear the shirt
C) The teacher "apologized" but knowing how interactions between faculty and admin over student complaints go, I'm not interpreting that as anything other than official CYA.
D) I have not implied, suggested, or even hinted that I thought the girl was some sort of Machiavellian genius- (quite the opposite in fact, I have suggested that she's probably completely apolitical and uninterested and her parents put her up to this) I have no idea where you're getting that.

In short, you're arguing against a figment of your imagination.

What I said is that I find it unlikely that the girl is highly interested in politics but doesn't know her parents' political affiliations. I would think if politics was that important to her, she would talk with her parents about it. That sequence of events really makes me think that there is more to the story than the "mean old teachin' lady being cruel to innocent snowflake."

If my suspicion that we're not getting the whole story strikes you as an "attack" on the student, then I don't really know what to say other than it was not meant that way.
 
2012-10-08 07:49:12 PM

FloydA: I have suggested that she's probably completely apolitical and uninterested and her parents put her up to this...


That's insane, though. Not insane as in stupid, but insane as in paranoid. DSM-IV insane. It's like seeing a man walk into a bank with a ski mask, dressed all in black, wearing gloves, carrying a gun and a burlap sack with a $ sign, and rationalizing the 1-in-10000000 scenario in which this man was not a bank robber.

You are incapable of processing that a young girl could be a Romney supporter, or that a Democrat could act indefensibly, and have consequently imagined an insane, 1-in-10000000 scenario in which Republican parents use their apolitical little girl as a pawn in their schemes against victimized Democratic teachers, who will be framed despite having done no wrong.
 
2012-10-08 08:08:36 PM

Captain Dan: FloydA: I have suggested that she's probably completely apolitical and uninterested and her parents put her up to this...

That's insane, though. Not insane as in stupid, but insane as in paranoid. DSM-IV insane. It's like seeing a man walk into a bank with a ski mask, dressed all in black, wearing gloves, carrying a gun and a burlap sack with a $ sign, and rationalizing the 1-in-10000000 scenario in which this man was not a bank robber.

You are incapable of processing that a young girl could be a Romney supporter, or that a Democrat could act indefensibly, and have consequently imagined an insane, 1-in-10000000 scenario in which Republican parents use their apolitical little girl as a pawn in their schemes against victimized Democratic teachers, who will be framed despite having done no wrong.


Exactly. FloydA hears hooves and and thinks "Republican dressed as a zebra".
 
2012-10-08 08:59:38 PM

Just Another OC Homeless Guy: Tumunga: Just Another OC Homeless Guy: Tumunga: Just Another OC Homeless Guy: Dress codes. How wurk?

Oh, and Friday dress-down day: How wurk?

Oh wow, someone else who didn't bother to read the comments before posting.

I'm supposed to read EVERYTHING before I have a knee-jerk reaction to a post?

NOPE, NOT HERE! NOT IN THE POLITICS TAB!!1!

I guess your troll post worked. You got 2 bites, and you were corrected twice...maybe more. I'm not going to read the rest of the posts to find out.

/Looks like the corrections are what got you spinning around in your mom's basement chair.

Oh look. some else who doesn't understand English.


I understand herpy-derpy.
 
2012-10-08 10:17:26 PM

TV's Vinnie: [i.imgur.com image 850x307]


Awesome!
 
2012-10-08 10:53:39 PM

vegasj: Don't hate me that the news reports the way it is.



You are clinically delusional
 
2012-10-08 10:54:26 PM

muck4doo: intelligent comment below: darkedgefan: No surprise here. I am sure 90% of college professors vote for Dems... Does anyone dispute that? I wonder how high it is for High School teachers? 75%?? I love those "tolerant" liberals.


So the smartest most well read people on subjects are more liberal, that should tell you something about your viewpoint.

The smartest most well read people belong to unions that rip off the public to benefit themselves. That is true.



Yes every teacher in America especially higher education all belongs to an evil union that steals money from you hard working temporarily embarrassed millionaires
 
2012-10-08 10:57:20 PM

Tumunga: troll post



Projection set to stun!
 
2012-10-08 10:59:37 PM

Captain Dan: FloydA: I have suggested that she's probably completely apolitical and uninterested and her parents put her up to this...

That's insane, though. Not insane as in stupid, but insane as in paranoid. DSM-IV insane. It's like seeing a man walk into a bank with a ski mask, dressed all in black, wearing gloves, carrying a gun and a burlap sack with a $ sign, and rationalizing the 1-in-10000000 scenario in which this man was not a bank robber.

You are incapable of processing that a young girl could be a Romney supporter,g.



No, please, look, I understand that she might be a Romney supporter. The point that I'm raising is that it's unlikely that she's a Romney supporter AND doesn't know who her parents support.

Now I realize that a lot of Romney supporters are not really paying much attention to the world around them (otherwise they would not be supporting Romney, because damn!) but the girl said that she did not know who her parents supported. There is no way that even a Republican could be that completely oblivious to the world around them. When you're in elementary school, your parents are an integral part of your life, so there is no way for you to NOT know what they think unless you're on drugs or something (and there is no reason to suspect that this is the case here). Either she is politically aware or she is not. If she's politically aware enough to support a particular candidate, then she is also aware enough to know her parents' opinions.

When you were 13, did you know who your parents were voting for? If so, you were paying attention to politics at a young age, and that's impressive. Good on you. If not, no big deal, most kids don't.


What you're asking me to believe here is that a little kid is paying more attention to politics than she is paying to her parents. You're asking me to believe that she is more interested in Obama and Romney than she is interested in her own mom and dad. I'm just not buying it.

You can tell me that she is a Romney supporter, and I'l believe it. OR you can tell me that she is so uninterested in politics that she doesn't even ask her parents who they support, and I would believe that. But when you tell me she is both interested in politics and doesn't know her parents' opinions, then there is something fishy going on.

Now please understand that I am aware that you, personally, have your personal preferences for candidates and parties and issues and so forth, and so do I, but I really am not talking about that.

I am just pointing out that if a child is so interested in politics that she would wear a T-shirt that supported a particular candidate, don't you think that she would have at least discussed politics with her parents?

Is that really such a difficult concept to grasp? Don't you ever talk to your parents about things that you think are important?
 
2012-10-08 11:12:45 PM

intelligent comment below: Tumunga: troll post


Projection set to stun!


OWWWWWW! THAT BURNS!!
 
x23
2012-10-08 11:19:14 PM
when did non-adults in this country gain constitutional rights?
 
2012-10-08 11:28:02 PM

FloydA: Captain Dan: FloydA: I have suggested that she's probably completely apolitical and uninterested and her parents put her up to this...

That's insane, though. Not insane as in stupid, but insane as in paranoid. DSM-IV insane. It's like seeing a man walk into a bank with a ski mask, dressed all in black, wearing gloves, carrying a gun and a burlap sack with a $ sign, and rationalizing the 1-in-10000000 scenario in which this man was not a bank robber.

You are incapable of processing that a young girl could be a Romney supporter,g.


No, please, look, I understand that she might be a Romney supporter. The point that I'm raising is that it's unlikely that she's a Romney supporter AND doesn't know who her parents support.

Now I realize that a lot of Romney supporters are not really paying much attention to the world around them (otherwise they would not be supporting Romney, because damn!) but the girl said that she did not know who her parents supported. There is no way that even a Republican could be that completely oblivious to the world around them. When you're in elementary school, your parents are an integral part of your life, so there is no way for you to NOT know what they think unless you're on drugs or something (and there is no reason to suspect that this is the case here). Either she is politically aware or she is not. If she's politically aware enough to support a particular candidate, then she is also aware enough to know her parents' opinions.

When you were 13, did you know who your parents were voting for? If so, you were paying attention to politics at a young age, and that's impressive. Good on you. If not, no big deal, most kids don't.


What you're asking me to believe here is that a little kid is paying more attention to politics than she is paying to her parents. You're asking me to believe that she is more interested in Obama and Romney than she is interested in her own mom and dad. I'm just not buying it.

You can tell me that s ...


And why is this incredibly insignificant detail so important to you? What do you think it "proves"? I swear, if you were a conservative, you'd be a birther what with your silly preoccupation with nothing at all. Christ, she probably didn't feel like answering her teacher's rude question so she said she didn't know. Why do you care? Why are you harping on something so completely farking irrelevant?
 
2012-10-09 12:45:15 AM

FloydA: When you were 13, did you know who your parents were voting for? If so, you were paying attention to politics at a young age, and that's impressive. Good on you. If not, no big deal, most kids don't.


You asked the wrong person! I was interested in politics by age 11, but my parents refused to ever tell me who they were voting for. They considered it more important for me to reach my own conclusions.
 
2012-10-09 04:11:16 AM

ParagonComplex: Teacher should get a Hero tag for this one. The truth hurts, and the sooner this kid realizes it the better adjusted she'll be in life. When Romney has a place in his hunting ranch called N*ggerhead" it's hard to argue against the racism.


To be fair, its Rick Perry who owns that ranch. And it is incredibly unacceptable for a teacher to treat a student like that, especially over a political disagreement. Behavior like that is what keeps us from solving any of the problems in government that anyone complains about ever.
 
2012-10-09 09:23:31 AM

FloydA: And your point?


You suggested people were " pretending not to believe her." My point is I'm not pretending, I just wanted to explain why this whole thing smells fishy to me.

If she's politically aware enough to support a candidate, surely she would also be aware of her parents' political opinions, but she claimed that she did not know. That struck me as incongruous and highly unlikely. There's nothing hypocritical about not believing a hard to believe story.



Perhaps you and I read the article differently. I read it as a biatch or a racist teacher called this girl out for wearing a republican shirt and when the biatch of a teacher asked her in front of her class what political affiliation her parents had, she responded with "I don't know" because that's the only response she could make that didn't set her and her family up for more ridicule (in front of the class, mind you).

I see no deviousness here at all, not one bit. All I see is a loathsome teacher who needs to be blackballed from being around children. (Cause she's a moron and a farking biatch)
 
2012-10-09 09:50:57 AM

Leeds: All I see is a loathsome teacher who needs to be blackballed from being around children.


Unfortunately, teaching skills combined with the willingness to put up with the little monsters for the low pay provided is a relatively scarce combo. It's more economically efficient to give her some training on the allowable limits of free speech, and her own restrictions against infringing on those.

It also seems odd that you weren't so outspoken about the "Jesus is not a Homophobe" shirt back in April.
 
2012-10-09 10:03:45 AM

abb3w: Leeds: All I see is a loathsome teacher who needs to be blackballed from being around children.

Unfortunately, teaching skills combined with the willingness to put up with the little monsters for the low pay provided is a relatively scarce combo. It's more economically efficient to give her some training on the allowable limits of free speech, and her own restrictions against infringing on those.

It also seems odd that you weren't so outspoken about the "Jesus is not a Homophobe" shirt back in April.


My only comment in that thread was to give kudos to a person who mocked APPL for making hipster phones. (I'm an android kind of guy.)

Did you have some point to make when you references another thread out of context and pretended that it had bearing on this one?

// Didn't think so
 
2012-10-09 10:06:43 AM
And for the record- ABB-

As a libertarian leaning educated American, I can say that I'd wear both of those shirts proudly.

I'll give you the benefit of the doubt though and assume you weren't thinking clearly when you posted your comment above.

Cheers
 
2012-10-09 10:35:42 AM

abb3w: Leeds: All I see is a loathsome teacher who needs to be blackballed from being around children.

Unfortunately, teaching skills combined with the willingness to put up with the little monsters for the low pay provided is a relatively scarce combo. It's more economically efficient to give her some training on the allowable limits of free speech, and her own restrictions against infringing on those.

It also seems odd that you weren't so outspoken about the "Jesus is not a Homophobe" shirt back in April.


Both shirts are perfectly fine. Both teachers are in the wrong for chastising their students. Happy?
 
2012-10-09 11:45:25 AM
eddiesocket:
And why is this incredibly insignificant detail so important to you? What do you think it "proves"? I swear, if you were a conservative, you'd be a birther what with your silly preoccupation with nothing at all. Christ, she probably didn't feel like answering her teacher's rude question so she said she didn't know. Why do you care? Why are you harping on something so completely farking irrelevant?

Someone asked. I answered. I'm really not understanding why my comment enrages you so much. It IS trivial- the whole thing is trivial. This is Fark, after all. Relax a little, I'm not attacking anyone, just expressing my opinion.
 
2012-10-09 11:50:05 AM

Leeds:

Perhaps you and I read the article differently. I read it as a biatch or a racist teacher called this girl out for wearing a republican shirt and when the biatch of a teacher asked her in front of her class what political affiliation her parents had, she responded with "I don't know" because that's the only response she could make that didn't set her and her family up for more ridicule (in front of the class, mind you).

I see no deviousness here at all, not one bit. All I see is a loathsome teacher who needs to be blackballed from being around children. (Cause she's a moron and a farking biatch)


She certainly needs to work on her people skills, and she needs more instruction on the limits of free speech, but the teacher doesn't strike me as a "biatch" or a "racist."

I don't agree with her, but I understand the point she was trying to make ("a woman who supports the GOP is like a black person who supports the klan"). It's a dumb point, but that's the point that the teacher was making in her ham-handed way.

And I disagree that admitting one is a Republican sets one's family up for ridicule. It's not like admitting to a crime.
 
2012-10-09 12:05:54 PM

FloydA: Leeds:

Perhaps you and I read the article differently. I read it as a biatch or a racist teacher called this girl out for wearing a republican shirt and when the biatch of a teacher asked her in front of her class what political affiliation her parents had, she responded with "I don't know" because that's the only response she could make that didn't set her and her family up for more ridicule (in front of the class, mind you).

I see no deviousness here at all, not one bit. All I see is a loathsome teacher who needs to be blackballed from being around children. (Cause she's a moron and a farking biatch)

She certainly needs to work on her people skills, and she needs more instruction on the limits of free speech, but the teacher doesn't strike me as a "biatch" or a "racist."

I don't agree with her, but I understand the point she was trying to make ("a woman who supports the GOP is like a black person who supports the klan"). It's a dumb point, but that's the point that the teacher was making in her ham-handed way.

And I disagree that admitting one is a Republican sets one's family up for ridicule. It's not like admitting to a crime.


Think of the context. She's being ridiculed for her political beliefs and during the tirade the teacher asks if her parents are also worthy of ridicule. Her answer was simple to sidestep the attack and say "I dunno." Which seems like a pretty straightforward way for a 16 year old to handle an out of control person of authority.

I'm a bit surprised that you don't see this evil biatch of a teacher for the evil biatch that she is.

If the teacher was white and was attacking a black muslim child, would you have more sympathy for the victim?
 
2012-10-09 05:31:21 PM

Leeds:

Think of the context. She's being ridiculed for her political beliefs and during the tirade the teacher asks if her parents are also worthy of ridicule. Her answer was simple to sidestep the attack and say "I dunno." Which seems like a pretty straightforward way for a 16 year old to handle an out of control person of authority.

I'm a bit surprised that you don't see this evil biatch of a teacher for the evil biatch that she is.

If the teacher was white and was attacking a black muslim child, would you have more sympathy for the victim?



Are the words I am writing appearing in English on anyone else's screen here, or is it just me? Because I've been making simple, obvious statements and everyone keeps arguing against something completely different from what I have actually said and assuming I hold a position that I have explicitly repudiated.

My point is this, and ONLY this: We have heard the kid's complaint, but we have not heard the teacher's perspective on what happened. In conflicts between teachers and students, the teachers are almost always instructed by the school administrators to not speak to the press, because doing so can open the school up to legal liabilities. So we do not know what the teacher thought was going on.

I also know that teenagers who get in conflicts with their teachers are not always the most accurate or objective reporters of the facts.

The kid paraphrased the teacher saying "a woman voting Republican is like a black person supporting the KKK." That bit of bumper sticker politics has been around since at least the 1980s. The teacher was wrong to say it in her classroom.

(I would like you to take note that I have AGAIN just explicitly stated that the teacher was in the wrong here. If that point is still not getting through, I don't know what else I can do to help you understand it.)

The teacher was wrong for saying what she said; her political beliefs really have no place in her classroom, so she was ham-handed, ill-spoken, thoughtless, and acted poorly. However, she did not "attack" the student (the teacher DID NOT tell the kid to "go back to her klan meeting"- subby was lying in the headline- we should not be critiquing the teacher for something subby said). Quoting a bumper sticker, while inappropriate and foolish in this setting, was not an "attack."

(And that little bit of race baiting you threw in at the end was completely unnecessary and counter-productive; this is not a racial or religious persecution issue. Please don't try to turn it into one.)
 
2012-10-09 07:26:44 PM

Leeds: My only comment in that thread was to give kudos to a person who mocked APPL for making hipster phones.


Exactly. You didn't bother to display any outrage about schools censoring free speech at the time. What are the likely reasons for such difference?

Leeds: Did you have some point to make when you references another thread out of context and pretended that it had bearing on this one?


Well, if you don't see how one thread about institutional censorship and student free speech in T-shirt form might have bearing on another, I think that itself will serve nicely to help imply my point.

eddiesocket: Both shirts are perfectly fine. Both teachers are in the wrong for chastising their students. Happy?


With you? No problems.
 
2012-10-10 08:50:27 AM

abb3w: Leeds: My only comment in that thread was to give kudos to a person who mocked APPL for making hipster phones.

Exactly. You didn't bother to display any outrage about schools censoring free speech at the time. What are the likely reasons for such difference?

Leeds: Did you have some point to make when you references another thread out of context and pretended that it had bearing on this one?

Well, if you don't see how one thread about institutional censorship and student free speech in T-shirt form might have bearing on another, I think that itself will serve nicely to help imply my point.


Are you suggesting that I don't stick up for the gays enough in threads? Because if you believe that, you must be ignoring over a decade of my posts on the matter.

As to your contention that I didn't post enough in a thread back in the beginning of April, well I suppose I could take your suggestion and post more. But to be honest, it's a fairly odd request you're making.
 
2012-10-10 08:59:12 AM

FloydA: My point is this, and ONLY this: We have heard the kid's complaint, but we have not heard the teacher's perspective on what happened. In conflicts between teachers and students, the teachers are almost always instructed by the school administrators to not speak to the press, because doing so can open the school up to legal liabilities. So we do not know what the teacher thought was going on.

I also know that teenagers who get in conflicts with their teachers are not always the most accurate or objective reporters of the facts.

The kid paraphrased the teacher saying "a woman voting Republican is like a black person supporting the KKK." That bit of bumper sticker politics has been around since at least the 1980s. The teacher was wrong to say it in her classroom.

(I would like you to take note that I have AGAIN just explicitly stated that the teacher was in the wrong here. If that point is still not getting through, I don't know what else I can do to help you understand it.)

The teacher was wrong for saying what she said; her political beliefs really have no place in her classroom, so she was ham-handed, ill-spoken, thoughtless, and acted poorly. However, she did not "attack" the student (the teacher DID NOT tell the kid to "go back to her klan meeting"- subby was lying in the headline- we should not be critiquing the teacher for something subby said). Quoting a bumper sticker, while inappropriate and foolish in this setting, was not an "attack."

(And that little bit of race baiting you threw in at the end was completely unnecessary and counter-productive; this is not a racial or religious persecution issue. Please don't try to turn it into one.)


I think that I understand where you're coming from now, thanks for clarifying.

I believe that the root of the disagreement stems from your contention that we don't know the teacher's side of the story. I read a number of articles linked to this story because it's from my home state and thus of slightly more interest to me. In fact, the teacher in question, Lynette Gaymon has offered her side many times to the press, including an open letter apologizing for the scuffle.

Gaymon does say that she didn't mean to offend during her tirade, but I can't imagine her stating anything else. According to her live-in aunt, Gaymon told her about this issue as soon as she got home from school that day because she knew that she had messed up "big." And that was weeks before the story broke and it became obvious that she was going to have to accept the consequences of her outburst.

// Sorry about the race comment, I honestly thought that it would make the point.
 
2012-10-10 09:55:24 AM

Leeds: Are you suggesting that I don't stick up for the gays enough in threads?


No. I'm suggesting that, much as some of the more liberal Farkers seem to have a double standard on outrage, so do you in the other direction. The one where the shirt censored offended conservative sensibilities, you posted an incidental piece of snark. Here where the shirt censored offended left-leaning sensibilities, you called for the teacher being banned from the profession.

Perhaps it's coincidence. On the other hand, I've tagged you previously as seeming to have a Republican/conservative lean, who tend to lean higher-RWA, who in turn tend to be more prone to double standards on self/ingroup vs. other/outgroup conduct.

Leeds: As to your contention that I didn't post enough in a thread back in the beginning of April


More that you might want to consider why there was the difference, and more about the difference in qualities than quantity.
 
2012-10-10 10:50:34 AM

abb3w: Leeds: Are you suggesting that I don't stick up for the gays enough in threads?

No. I'm suggesting that, much as some of the more liberal Farkers seem to have a double standard on outrage, so do you in the other direction. The one where the shirt censored offended conservative sensibilities, you posted an incidental piece of snark. Here where the shirt censored offended left-leaning sensibilities, you called for the teacher being banned from the profession.

Perhaps it's coincidence. On the other hand, I've tagged you previously as seeming to have a Republican/conservative lean, who tend to lean higher-RWA, who in turn tend to be more prone to double standards on self/ingroup vs. other/outgroup conduct.

Leeds: As to your contention that I didn't post enough in a thread back in the beginning of April

More that you might want to consider why there was the difference, and more about the difference in qualities than quantity.


Why there was a difference?

You pay waaaaay too much attention to fark if you're tabulating how many posts I make in each greenlighted thread in order to assert that I somehow didn't post enough times in an obscure thread that has been closed for comments for 188 days now.

// Until today I never thought someone would stalk me here on fark.

// I'm legitimately creeped out
 
2012-10-10 06:29:25 PM

Leeds: You pay waaaaay too much attention to fark if you're tabulating how many posts I make


Nah. That just turned up from a quick Google whack. I figured there had to have been a thread on the "Jesus is not a Homophobe" T-shirt incident, and then checked to see what if anything you'd said. (I missed that one, myself.)
 
2012-10-10 09:37:59 PM
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