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2012-10-08 09:46:14 AM  
You know, I expected to see the "Hero" tag out there for this phuqin' Libtard twit of a teacher. Why? Because this is the politics tab, and you FarkLibs actually believe Romney is the Grand Wizard of the KKK.

You're slipping, Politics Tab.
 
2012-10-08 09:47:21 AM  

Just Another OC Homeless Guy: Dress codes. How wurk?


She forgot to pull her britches half-way down her legs. Isn't that how the new generation of MTV fashion sportin' FarkLib children dress?
 
2012-10-08 09:48:24 AM  

Just Another OC Homeless Guy: Dress codes. How wurk?


Oh, and Friday dress-down day: How wurk?
 
2012-10-08 09:50:51 AM  

cman: cman: loveblondieo: Here's another article naming the teacher and reporting on some of the backlash she's gotten.

FTA: Sophomore Samantha Pawlucy said Gaymon called her out for wearing the shirt and told her it was analogous to the teacher, who is black, wearing a KKK shirt.

Jesus, a teacher said this?

Before anyone takes my comment the wrong way, I would like to point out that my context was about professionalism.


DON'T WALK IT BACK, MAN!!

/I used to look up to you.
 
2012-10-08 09:56:03 AM  
I wasn't allowed to wear my Crucifarks shirt or The Accused - Martha farkin' Splatterhead. So it doesn't surprise me that she couldn't wear a shirt that says "farktard1/farkstard2 2012" either.

/stupid she couldn't wear it though
//stupid for wearing it though
 
2012-10-08 10:33:41 AM  

Lorelle: "If it was a joke between two adults, I can take a joke like that but (my daughter) didn't know how to take it. She doesn't understand, she actually thinks she did something wrong," her father, Richard Pawlucy, said.

If the kid doesn't understand the potential consequences of wearing such a shirt, perhaps she shouldn't wear it in the first place.

It's quite obvious that her parents put her up to it.

 

Yup, in a lot of cases over the years I recall that one or both of the parents were right wing/fundamentalist Christians and lawyers. Using their kid as a pawn to get attention and sue the school board, the school, the teacher and scream to the media how their snowflakes free speech rights were trampled.

You know, Westboro Baptist Church-quality people.
 
2012-10-08 11:00:12 AM  

Tumunga: Just Another OC Homeless Guy: Dress codes. How wurk?

Oh, and Friday dress-down day: How wurk?


Oh wow, someone else who didn't bother to read the comments before posting.
 
2012-10-08 11:21:29 AM  

pdee: Weaver95: abb3w: vpb: This sounds a lot like those stories where the pledge of allegiance and the flag are supposedly banned by evil liberal teachers.

Here, however, the principal made the teacher apologize, and there's an investigation ongoing. The kid has the right to wear the T-shirt; the teacher was in the wrong, and should get some remedial training on the bounds of student freedom of expression.

That said, the political right will have fun hyping this up as an infringement of student rights. For contrast, the reaction by the right wingers at the Blaze over the "Jesus is not a homophobe" T-shirt back in April.

so basically it's ok to wear pro-conservative tee shirts to class, but 'bong hits for jesus' ain't gonna happen...?

So Im sure you guys would also support a student wearing a 'Mohammad was a pedophile' T-shirt.

You really cant see any difference between a Romney/Ryan shirt and a 'Jesus was not a homophobe' shirt.


Um...there's no difference. But shirts are political statements. Neither shirt is nasty or an attack on anyone else. The hypothetical "Mohammed is a pedophile" shirt is definitely an attack on people of that faith and should not be allowed in school, neither should a "Jesus is a pedophile" shirt, or a "Republicans are assholes" shirt, or whatever.
 
2012-10-08 11:27:11 AM  

Waldo Pepper: Kibbler: Snowflake was humiliated. We need a full investigation. A true hate crime. Somebody call Desmond Tutu and check his schedule. We need towels and hot water, and generators and a six month food supply and a communication console. Let's move, people. The fate of the free world is in our...

Wait. I just got word het parents don't pay federal income tax. You believe that? Fark that biatch.

The comment was uncalled for and not even close to being a joke. A black teacher compares a white students tee shirt to being the same as the KKK. If other black students are in the class, is there a chance they feel the teacher put this student in with the KKK and now she is a target.

The teacher is racist and isn't getting called out for it here on the new gay liberal Fark


The teacher's race is not mentioned. Curious that you would assume she is black. /There's nothing "racist" about her behavior. Cun*y, yes. Racist, no.
 
d23 [TotalFark]
2012-10-08 11:36:02 AM  

Tumunga: You know, I expected to see the "Hero" tag out there for this phuqin' Libtard twit of a teacher. Why? Because this is the politics tab, and you FarkLibs actually believe Romney is the Grand Wizard of the KKK.

You're slipping, Politics Tab.


Here's my take on it: not all Romney supporters are racists, but all racists are Romney supporters.
 
2012-10-08 11:37:24 AM  
She's trolling. High schoolers don't care about politics unless they have an axe (their parents') to grind.
 
d23 [TotalFark]
2012-10-08 11:37:24 AM  

radiobiz: Ahem. I'll just put this here:

Tinker v. Demoines


It gives me a belly laugh to think that today's SCOTUS would uphold anyone non-corporation's rights, let alone someone under 18.
 
2012-10-08 11:52:31 AM  
*WARNING* CSB ahead:

Romney's campaign office is on the first floor of my office building. There's Romney/Ryan bumper stickers all over the place because they hand them out to anyone and a lot of people have been wearing their Romney t-shirts they got downstairs. One of the guys I work with wore his Obama 2012 shirt to try and balance things out and just as we suspected, building management contacted HR about one of our employees "who's attire was disrespectful and harassing of other tenants in the building". HR and our CEO offered a heart felt "GO FARK YOURSELF" to the building management company.

Bonus: HR and the CEO are hard core Republicans.

tl;dr
Romney's campaign staff is a bunch of pussies.
/as if you didn't know
 
2012-10-08 02:01:01 PM  
I saw people get drunk and start rubbing their dicks on the Romney/Ryan campaign center this weekend.

I lol'd.
 
2012-10-08 02:34:31 PM  
According to the other articles (most linked above) both sides have been receiving death threats over this teacher's comments.

Yes, you read that right- Both the bully (Teacher Lynette Gaymon) and the victim (Samantha Pawlucy) have been receiving death threats over the telephone...

What the hell is wrong with people out there? Sure the teacher should be and likely will be fired, and sure there are retards out there who feel the need to pester her. But why the hatred towards the victim? This doesn't make sense to me at all.
 
2012-10-08 02:43:09 PM  

The My Little Pony Killer: She's trolling. High schoolers don't care about politics unless they have an axe (their parents') to grind.


You're ridiculous. Lots of high schoolers care about politics. I certainly did. And even if she was "trolling", she has a farking right to wear a shirt supporting her candidate.

I'm blown away by how many hypocritical farkers there are on here, dismissing this girl or pretending not to believe her. Come on, guys. We're supposed to be better than the farking Republicans.
 
2012-10-08 03:37:40 PM  

eddiesocket: The My Little Pony Killer: She's trolling. High schoolers don't care about politics unless they have an axe (their parents') to grind.

You're ridiculous. Lots of high schoolers care about politics. I certainly did. And even if she was "trolling", she has a farking right to wear a shirt supporting her candidate.

I'm blown away by how many hypocritical farkers there are on here, dismissing this girl or pretending not to believe her. Come on, guys. We're supposed to be better than the farking Republicans.


She has every right to wear the shirt, IMO, but I still don't believe that she is both (A) sufficiently interested in politics to have a preference for one candidate over another and (B) unaware of whether her parents are Republicans. If she's sufficiently interested in politics that she wears a t-shirt supporting a candidate, I suspect that she would have at least broached the subject with mom and dad. This just doesn't pass the smell test for me.

Maybe I'm wrong. Maybe she has such a crappy home life that she's afraid to talk to her parents about anything substantial, but that's not what it sounds like.
 
2012-10-08 03:38:39 PM  

FloydA: She has every right to wear the shirt, IMO, but I still don't believe that she is both (A) sufficiently interested in politics to have a preference for one candidate over another and (B) unaware of whether her parents are Republicans. If she's sufficiently interested in politics that she wears a t-shirt supporting a candidate, I suspect that she would have at least broached the subject with mom and dad. This just doesn't pass the smell test for me.

Maybe I'm wrong. Maybe she has such a crappy home life that she's afraid to talk to her parents about anything substantial, but that's not what it sounds like.


And your point?
 
2012-10-08 04:32:29 PM  

Just Another OC Homeless Guy: Tumunga: Just Another OC Homeless Guy: Dress codes. How wurk?

Oh, and Friday dress-down day: How wurk?

Oh wow, someone else who didn't bother to read the comments before posting.


I'm supposed to read EVERYTHING before I have a knee-jerk reaction to a post?

NOPE, NOT HERE! NOT IN THE POLITICS TAB!!1!

I guess your troll post worked. You got 2 bites, and you were corrected twice...maybe more. I'm not going to read the rest of the posts to find out.

/Looks like the corrections are what got you spinning around in your mom's basement chair.
 
2012-10-08 05:11:39 PM  

d23: Tumunga: You know, I expected to see the "Hero" tag out there for this phuqin' Libtard twit of a teacher. Why? Because this is the politics tab, and you FarkLibs actually believe Romney is the Grand Wizard of the KKK.

You're slipping, Politics Tab.

Here's my take on it: not all Romney supporters are racists, but all racists are Romney supporters.


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2012-10-08 05:35:47 PM  

Tumunga: Just Another OC Homeless Guy: Tumunga: Just Another OC Homeless Guy: Dress codes. How wurk?

Oh, and Friday dress-down day: How wurk?

Oh wow, someone else who didn't bother to read the comments before posting.

I'm supposed to read EVERYTHING before I have a knee-jerk reaction to a post?

NOPE, NOT HERE! NOT IN THE POLITICS TAB!!1!

I guess your troll post worked. You got 2 bites, and you were corrected twice...maybe more. I'm not going to read the rest of the posts to find out.

/Looks like the corrections are what got you spinning around in your mom's basement chair.


Oh look. some else who doesn't understand English.
 
2012-10-08 05:41:13 PM  

eddiesocket: FloydA: She has every right to wear the shirt, IMO, but I still don't believe that she is both (A) sufficiently interested in politics to have a preference for one candidate over another and (B) unaware of whether her parents are Republicans. If she's sufficiently interested in politics that she wears a t-shirt supporting a candidate, I suspect that she would have at least broached the subject with mom and dad. This just doesn't pass the smell test for me.

Maybe I'm wrong. Maybe she has such a crappy home life that she's afraid to talk to her parents about anything substantial, but that's not what it sounds like.

And your point?



You suggested people were " pretending not to believe her." My point is I'm not pretending, I just wanted to explain why this whole thing smells fishy to me.

If she's politically aware enough to support a candidate, surely she would also be aware of her parents' political opinions, but she claimed that she did not know. That struck me as incongruous and highly unlikely. There's nothing hypocritical about not believing a hard to believe story.
 
2012-10-08 06:23:54 PM  

FloydA: eddiesocket: FloydA: She has every right to wear the shirt, IMO, but I still don't believe that she is both (A) sufficiently interested in politics to have a preference for one candidate over another and (B) unaware of whether her parents are Republicans. If she's sufficiently interested in politics that she wears a t-shirt supporting a candidate, I suspect that she would have at least broached the subject with mom and dad. This just doesn't pass the smell test for me.

Maybe I'm wrong. Maybe she has such a crappy home life that she's afraid to talk to her parents about anything substantial, but that's not what it sounds like.

And your point?


You suggested people were " pretending not to believe her." My point is I'm not pretending, I just wanted to explain why this whole thing smells fishy to me.

If she's politically aware enough to support a candidate, surely she would also be aware of her parents' political opinions, but she claimed that she did not know. That struck me as incongruous and highly unlikely. There's nothing hypocritical about not believing a hard to believe story.


Maybe she just didn't want to answer the teacher's loaded question. It was none of the teacher's business who her parents support. And for the record, the teacher does not deny the veracity of this story and has apologized.

For the life of me, I can't believe anyone is attacking this girl. It's nuts. Let's say you're right. Let's say Occam's Razor is a tard and your extremely unlikely theory that this girl is some sort of diabolical Machevellian genius is correct. Let's say she doesn't care about Romney and wore the shirt specifically because she knew her teacher was an easily manipulated crazy coont who would yell at her over it and the girl wanted to get her fired.
Well guess what? Turns out the teacher is an easily manipulated crazy coont who deserves to be fired.
Well done, girl who secretly doesn't care about Romney! Mission Accomplished!
Why are people attacking her, again? I'm genuinely confused.
 
2012-10-08 07:06:35 PM  

eddiesocket:

Maybe she just didn't want to answer the teacher's loaded question. It was none of the teacher's business who her parents support. And for the record, the teacher does not deny the veracity of this story and has apologized.

For the life of me, I can't believe anyone is attacking this girl. It's nuts. Let's say you're right. Let's say Occam's Razor is a tard and your extremely unlikely theory that this girl is some sort of diabolical Machevellian genius is correct. Let's say she doesn't care about Romney and wore the shirt specifically because she knew her teacher was an easily manipulated crazy coont who would yell at her over it and the girl wanted to get her fired.
Well guess what? Turns out the teacher is an easily manipulated crazy coont who deserves to be fired.
Well done, girl who secretly doesn't care about Romney! Mission Accomplished!
Why are people attacking her ...



You're arguing against Eastwood's chair right now, because this rant has no connection to my post whatsoever.

A) I am not "attacking" anyone, just doubting the veracity of the story as it has been reported
B) I have already said, several times, that the girl has every right to wear the shirt
C) The teacher "apologized" but knowing how interactions between faculty and admin over student complaints go, I'm not interpreting that as anything other than official CYA.
D) I have not implied, suggested, or even hinted that I thought the girl was some sort of Machiavellian genius- (quite the opposite in fact, I have suggested that she's probably completely apolitical and uninterested and her parents put her up to this) I have no idea where you're getting that.

In short, you're arguing against a figment of your imagination.

What I said is that I find it unlikely that the girl is highly interested in politics but doesn't know her parents' political affiliations. I would think if politics was that important to her, she would talk with her parents about it. That sequence of events really makes me think that there is more to the story than the "mean old teachin' lady being cruel to innocent snowflake."

If my suspicion that we're not getting the whole story strikes you as an "attack" on the student, then I don't really know what to say other than it was not meant that way.
 
2012-10-08 07:49:12 PM  

FloydA: I have suggested that she's probably completely apolitical and uninterested and her parents put her up to this...


That's insane, though. Not insane as in stupid, but insane as in paranoid. DSM-IV insane. It's like seeing a man walk into a bank with a ski mask, dressed all in black, wearing gloves, carrying a gun and a burlap sack with a $ sign, and rationalizing the 1-in-10000000 scenario in which this man was not a bank robber.

You are incapable of processing that a young girl could be a Romney supporter, or that a Democrat could act indefensibly, and have consequently imagined an insane, 1-in-10000000 scenario in which Republican parents use their apolitical little girl as a pawn in their schemes against victimized Democratic teachers, who will be framed despite having done no wrong.
 
2012-10-08 08:08:36 PM  

Captain Dan: FloydA: I have suggested that she's probably completely apolitical and uninterested and her parents put her up to this...

That's insane, though. Not insane as in stupid, but insane as in paranoid. DSM-IV insane. It's like seeing a man walk into a bank with a ski mask, dressed all in black, wearing gloves, carrying a gun and a burlap sack with a $ sign, and rationalizing the 1-in-10000000 scenario in which this man was not a bank robber.

You are incapable of processing that a young girl could be a Romney supporter, or that a Democrat could act indefensibly, and have consequently imagined an insane, 1-in-10000000 scenario in which Republican parents use their apolitical little girl as a pawn in their schemes against victimized Democratic teachers, who will be framed despite having done no wrong.


Exactly. FloydA hears hooves and and thinks "Republican dressed as a zebra".
 
2012-10-08 08:59:38 PM  

Just Another OC Homeless Guy: Tumunga: Just Another OC Homeless Guy: Tumunga: Just Another OC Homeless Guy: Dress codes. How wurk?

Oh, and Friday dress-down day: How wurk?

Oh wow, someone else who didn't bother to read the comments before posting.

I'm supposed to read EVERYTHING before I have a knee-jerk reaction to a post?

NOPE, NOT HERE! NOT IN THE POLITICS TAB!!1!

I guess your troll post worked. You got 2 bites, and you were corrected twice...maybe more. I'm not going to read the rest of the posts to find out.

/Looks like the corrections are what got you spinning around in your mom's basement chair.

Oh look. some else who doesn't understand English.


I understand herpy-derpy.
 
2012-10-08 10:17:26 PM  

TV's Vinnie: [i.imgur.com image 850x307]


Awesome!
 
2012-10-08 10:53:39 PM  

vegasj: Don't hate me that the news reports the way it is.



You are clinically delusional
 
2012-10-08 10:54:26 PM  

muck4doo: intelligent comment below: darkedgefan: No surprise here. I am sure 90% of college professors vote for Dems... Does anyone dispute that? I wonder how high it is for High School teachers? 75%?? I love those "tolerant" liberals.


So the smartest most well read people on subjects are more liberal, that should tell you something about your viewpoint.

The smartest most well read people belong to unions that rip off the public to benefit themselves. That is true.



Yes every teacher in America especially higher education all belongs to an evil union that steals money from you hard working temporarily embarrassed millionaires
 
2012-10-08 10:57:20 PM  

Tumunga: troll post



Projection set to stun!
 
2012-10-08 10:59:37 PM  

Captain Dan: FloydA: I have suggested that she's probably completely apolitical and uninterested and her parents put her up to this...

That's insane, though. Not insane as in stupid, but insane as in paranoid. DSM-IV insane. It's like seeing a man walk into a bank with a ski mask, dressed all in black, wearing gloves, carrying a gun and a burlap sack with a $ sign, and rationalizing the 1-in-10000000 scenario in which this man was not a bank robber.

You are incapable of processing that a young girl could be a Romney supporter,g.



No, please, look, I understand that she might be a Romney supporter. The point that I'm raising is that it's unlikely that she's a Romney supporter AND doesn't know who her parents support.

Now I realize that a lot of Romney supporters are not really paying much attention to the world around them (otherwise they would not be supporting Romney, because damn!) but the girl said that she did not know who her parents supported. There is no way that even a Republican could be that completely oblivious to the world around them. When you're in elementary school, your parents are an integral part of your life, so there is no way for you to NOT know what they think unless you're on drugs or something (and there is no reason to suspect that this is the case here). Either she is politically aware or she is not. If she's politically aware enough to support a particular candidate, then she is also aware enough to know her parents' opinions.

When you were 13, did you know who your parents were voting for? If so, you were paying attention to politics at a young age, and that's impressive. Good on you. If not, no big deal, most kids don't.


What you're asking me to believe here is that a little kid is paying more attention to politics than she is paying to her parents. You're asking me to believe that she is more interested in Obama and Romney than she is interested in her own mom and dad. I'm just not buying it.

You can tell me that she is a Romney supporter, and I'l believe it. OR you can tell me that she is so uninterested in politics that she doesn't even ask her parents who they support, and I would believe that. But when you tell me she is both interested in politics and doesn't know her parents' opinions, then there is something fishy going on.

Now please understand that I am aware that you, personally, have your personal preferences for candidates and parties and issues and so forth, and so do I, but I really am not talking about that.

I am just pointing out that if a child is so interested in politics that she would wear a T-shirt that supported a particular candidate, don't you think that she would have at least discussed politics with her parents?

Is that really such a difficult concept to grasp? Don't you ever talk to your parents about things that you think are important?
 
2012-10-08 11:12:45 PM  

intelligent comment below: Tumunga: troll post


Projection set to stun!


OWWWWWW! THAT BURNS!!
 
x23
2012-10-08 11:19:14 PM  
when did non-adults in this country gain constitutional rights?
 
2012-10-08 11:28:02 PM  

FloydA: Captain Dan: FloydA: I have suggested that she's probably completely apolitical and uninterested and her parents put her up to this...

That's insane, though. Not insane as in stupid, but insane as in paranoid. DSM-IV insane. It's like seeing a man walk into a bank with a ski mask, dressed all in black, wearing gloves, carrying a gun and a burlap sack with a $ sign, and rationalizing the 1-in-10000000 scenario in which this man was not a bank robber.

You are incapable of processing that a young girl could be a Romney supporter,g.


No, please, look, I understand that she might be a Romney supporter. The point that I'm raising is that it's unlikely that she's a Romney supporter AND doesn't know who her parents support.

Now I realize that a lot of Romney supporters are not really paying much attention to the world around them (otherwise they would not be supporting Romney, because damn!) but the girl said that she did not know who her parents supported. There is no way that even a Republican could be that completely oblivious to the world around them. When you're in elementary school, your parents are an integral part of your life, so there is no way for you to NOT know what they think unless you're on drugs or something (and there is no reason to suspect that this is the case here). Either she is politically aware or she is not. If she's politically aware enough to support a particular candidate, then she is also aware enough to know her parents' opinions.

When you were 13, did you know who your parents were voting for? If so, you were paying attention to politics at a young age, and that's impressive. Good on you. If not, no big deal, most kids don't.


What you're asking me to believe here is that a little kid is paying more attention to politics than she is paying to her parents. You're asking me to believe that she is more interested in Obama and Romney than she is interested in her own mom and dad. I'm just not buying it.

You can tell me that s ...


And why is this incredibly insignificant detail so important to you? What do you think it "proves"? I swear, if you were a conservative, you'd be a birther what with your silly preoccupation with nothing at all. Christ, she probably didn't feel like answering her teacher's rude question so she said she didn't know. Why do you care? Why are you harping on something so completely farking irrelevant?
 
2012-10-09 12:45:15 AM  

FloydA: When you were 13, did you know who your parents were voting for? If so, you were paying attention to politics at a young age, and that's impressive. Good on you. If not, no big deal, most kids don't.


You asked the wrong person! I was interested in politics by age 11, but my parents refused to ever tell me who they were voting for. They considered it more important for me to reach my own conclusions.
 
2012-10-09 04:11:16 AM  

ParagonComplex: Teacher should get a Hero tag for this one. The truth hurts, and the sooner this kid realizes it the better adjusted she'll be in life. When Romney has a place in his hunting ranch called N*ggerhead" it's hard to argue against the racism.


To be fair, its Rick Perry who owns that ranch. And it is incredibly unacceptable for a teacher to treat a student like that, especially over a political disagreement. Behavior like that is what keeps us from solving any of the problems in government that anyone complains about ever.
 
2012-10-09 09:23:31 AM  

FloydA: And your point?


You suggested people were " pretending not to believe her." My point is I'm not pretending, I just wanted to explain why this whole thing smells fishy to me.

If she's politically aware enough to support a candidate, surely she would also be aware of her parents' political opinions, but she claimed that she did not know. That struck me as incongruous and highly unlikely. There's nothing hypocritical about not believing a hard to believe story.



Perhaps you and I read the article differently. I read it as a biatch or a racist teacher called this girl out for wearing a republican shirt and when the biatch of a teacher asked her in front of her class what political affiliation her parents had, she responded with "I don't know" because that's the only response she could make that didn't set her and her family up for more ridicule (in front of the class, mind you).

I see no deviousness here at all, not one bit. All I see is a loathsome teacher who needs to be blackballed from being around children. (Cause she's a moron and a farking biatch)
 
2012-10-09 09:50:57 AM  

Leeds: All I see is a loathsome teacher who needs to be blackballed from being around children.


Unfortunately, teaching skills combined with the willingness to put up with the little monsters for the low pay provided is a relatively scarce combo. It's more economically efficient to give her some training on the allowable limits of free speech, and her own restrictions against infringing on those.

It also seems odd that you weren't so outspoken about the "Jesus is not a Homophobe" shirt back in April.
 
2012-10-09 10:03:45 AM  

abb3w: Leeds: All I see is a loathsome teacher who needs to be blackballed from being around children.

Unfortunately, teaching skills combined with the willingness to put up with the little monsters for the low pay provided is a relatively scarce combo. It's more economically efficient to give her some training on the allowable limits of free speech, and her own restrictions against infringing on those.

It also seems odd that you weren't so outspoken about the "Jesus is not a Homophobe" shirt back in April.


My only comment in that thread was to give kudos to a person who mocked APPL for making hipster phones. (I'm an android kind of guy.)

Did you have some point to make when you references another thread out of context and pretended that it had bearing on this one?

// Didn't think so
 
2012-10-09 10:06:43 AM  
And for the record- ABB-

As a libertarian leaning educated American, I can say that I'd wear both of those shirts proudly.

I'll give you the benefit of the doubt though and assume you weren't thinking clearly when you posted your comment above.

Cheers
 
2012-10-09 10:35:42 AM  

abb3w: Leeds: All I see is a loathsome teacher who needs to be blackballed from being around children.

Unfortunately, teaching skills combined with the willingness to put up with the little monsters for the low pay provided is a relatively scarce combo. It's more economically efficient to give her some training on the allowable limits of free speech, and her own restrictions against infringing on those.

It also seems odd that you weren't so outspoken about the "Jesus is not a Homophobe" shirt back in April.


Both shirts are perfectly fine. Both teachers are in the wrong for chastising their students. Happy?
 
2012-10-09 11:45:25 AM  
eddiesocket:
And why is this incredibly insignificant detail so important to you? What do you think it "proves"? I swear, if you were a conservative, you'd be a birther what with your silly preoccupation with nothing at all. Christ, she probably didn't feel like answering her teacher's rude question so she said she didn't know. Why do you care? Why are you harping on something so completely farking irrelevant?

Someone asked. I answered. I'm really not understanding why my comment enrages you so much. It IS trivial- the whole thing is trivial. This is Fark, after all. Relax a little, I'm not attacking anyone, just expressing my opinion.
 
2012-10-09 11:50:05 AM  

Leeds:

Perhaps you and I read the article differently. I read it as a biatch or a racist teacher called this girl out for wearing a republican shirt and when the biatch of a teacher asked her in front of her class what political affiliation her parents had, she responded with "I don't know" because that's the only response she could make that didn't set her and her family up for more ridicule (in front of the class, mind you).

I see no deviousness here at all, not one bit. All I see is a loathsome teacher who needs to be blackballed from being around children. (Cause she's a moron and a farking biatch)


She certainly needs to work on her people skills, and she needs more instruction on the limits of free speech, but the teacher doesn't strike me as a "biatch" or a "racist."

I don't agree with her, but I understand the point she was trying to make ("a woman who supports the GOP is like a black person who supports the klan"). It's a dumb point, but that's the point that the teacher was making in her ham-handed way.

And I disagree that admitting one is a Republican sets one's family up for ridicule. It's not like admitting to a crime.
 
2012-10-09 12:05:54 PM  

FloydA: Leeds:

Perhaps you and I read the article differently. I read it as a biatch or a racist teacher called this girl out for wearing a republican shirt and when the biatch of a teacher asked her in front of her class what political affiliation her parents had, she responded with "I don't know" because that's the only response she could make that didn't set her and her family up for more ridicule (in front of the class, mind you).

I see no deviousness here at all, not one bit. All I see is a loathsome teacher who needs to be blackballed from being around children. (Cause she's a moron and a farking biatch)

She certainly needs to work on her people skills, and she needs more instruction on the limits of free speech, but the teacher doesn't strike me as a "biatch" or a "racist."

I don't agree with her, but I understand the point she was trying to make ("a woman who supports the GOP is like a black person who supports the klan"). It's a dumb point, but that's the point that the teacher was making in her ham-handed way.

And I disagree that admitting one is a Republican sets one's family up for ridicule. It's not like admitting to a crime.


Think of the context. She's being ridiculed for her political beliefs and during the tirade the teacher asks if her parents are also worthy of ridicule. Her answer was simple to sidestep the attack and say "I dunno." Which seems like a pretty straightforward way for a 16 year old to handle an out of control person of authority.

I'm a bit surprised that you don't see this evil biatch of a teacher for the evil biatch that she is.

If the teacher was white and was attacking a black muslim child, would you have more sympathy for the victim?
 
2012-10-09 05:31:21 PM  

Leeds:

Think of the context. She's being ridiculed for her political beliefs and during the tirade the teacher asks if her parents are also worthy of ridicule. Her answer was simple to sidestep the attack and say "I dunno." Which seems like a pretty straightforward way for a 16 year old to handle an out of control person of authority.

I'm a bit surprised that you don't see this evil biatch of a teacher for the evil biatch that she is.

If the teacher was white and was attacking a black muslim child, would you have more sympathy for the victim?



Are the words I am writing appearing in English on anyone else's screen here, or is it just me? Because I've been making simple, obvious statements and everyone keeps arguing against something completely different from what I have actually said and assuming I hold a position that I have explicitly repudiated.

My point is this, and ONLY this: We have heard the kid's complaint, but we have not heard the teacher's perspective on what happened. In conflicts between teachers and students, the teachers are almost always instructed by the school administrators to not speak to the press, because doing so can open the school up to legal liabilities. So we do not know what the teacher thought was going on.

I also know that teenagers who get in conflicts with their teachers are not always the most accurate or objective reporters of the facts.

The kid paraphrased the teacher saying "a woman voting Republican is like a black person supporting the KKK." That bit of bumper sticker politics has been around since at least the 1980s. The teacher was wrong to say it in her classroom.

(I would like you to take note that I have AGAIN just explicitly stated that the teacher was in the wrong here. If that point is still not getting through, I don't know what else I can do to help you understand it.)

The teacher was wrong for saying what she said; her political beliefs really have no place in her classroom, so she was ham-handed, ill-spoken, thoughtless, and acted poorly. However, she did not "attack" the student (the teacher DID NOT tell the kid to "go back to her klan meeting"- subby was lying in the headline- we should not be critiquing the teacher for something subby said). Quoting a bumper sticker, while inappropriate and foolish in this setting, was not an "attack."

(And that little bit of race baiting you threw in at the end was completely unnecessary and counter-productive; this is not a racial or religious persecution issue. Please don't try to turn it into one.)
 
2012-10-09 07:26:44 PM  

Leeds: My only comment in that thread was to give kudos to a person who mocked APPL for making hipster phones.


Exactly. You didn't bother to display any outrage about schools censoring free speech at the time. What are the likely reasons for such difference?

Leeds: Did you have some point to make when you references another thread out of context and pretended that it had bearing on this one?


Well, if you don't see how one thread about institutional censorship and student free speech in T-shirt form might have bearing on another, I think that itself will serve nicely to help imply my point.

eddiesocket: Both shirts are perfectly fine. Both teachers are in the wrong for chastising their students. Happy?


With you? No problems.
 
2012-10-10 08:50:27 AM  

abb3w: Leeds: My only comment in that thread was to give kudos to a person who mocked APPL for making hipster phones.

Exactly. You didn't bother to display any outrage about schools censoring free speech at the time. What are the likely reasons for such difference?

Leeds: Did you have some point to make when you references another thread out of context and pretended that it had bearing on this one?

Well, if you don't see how one thread about institutional censorship and student free speech in T-shirt form might have bearing on another, I think that itself will serve nicely to help imply my point.


Are you suggesting that I don't stick up for the gays enough in threads? Because if you believe that, you must be ignoring over a decade of my posts on the matter.

As to your contention that I didn't post enough in a thread back in the beginning of April, well I suppose I could take your suggestion and post more. But to be honest, it's a fairly odd request you're making.
 
2012-10-10 08:59:12 AM  

FloydA: My point is this, and ONLY this: We have heard the kid's complaint, but we have not heard the teacher's perspective on what happened. In conflicts between teachers and students, the teachers are almost always instructed by the school administrators to not speak to the press, because doing so can open the school up to legal liabilities. So we do not know what the teacher thought was going on.

I also know that teenagers who get in conflicts with their teachers are not always the most accurate or objective reporters of the facts.

The kid paraphrased the teacher saying "a woman voting Republican is like a black person supporting the KKK." That bit of bumper sticker politics has been around since at least the 1980s. The teacher was wrong to say it in her classroom.

(I would like you to take note that I have AGAIN just explicitly stated that the teacher was in the wrong here. If that point is still not getting through, I don't know what else I can do to help you understand it.)

The teacher was wrong for saying what she said; her political beliefs really have no place in her classroom, so she was ham-handed, ill-spoken, thoughtless, and acted poorly. However, she did not "attack" the student (the teacher DID NOT tell the kid to "go back to her klan meeting"- subby was lying in the headline- we should not be critiquing the teacher for something subby said). Quoting a bumper sticker, while inappropriate and foolish in this setting, was not an "attack."

(And that little bit of race baiting you threw in at the end was completely unnecessary and counter-productive; this is not a racial or religious persecution issue. Please don't try to turn it into one.)


I think that I understand where you're coming from now, thanks for clarifying.

I believe that the root of the disagreement stems from your contention that we don't know the teacher's side of the story. I read a number of articles linked to this story because it's from my home state and thus of slightly more interest to me. In fact, the teacher in question, Lynette Gaymon has offered her side many times to the press, including an open letter apologizing for the scuffle.

Gaymon does say that she didn't mean to offend during her tirade, but I can't imagine her stating anything else. According to her live-in aunt, Gaymon told her about this issue as soon as she got home from school that day because she knew that she had messed up "big." And that was weeks before the story broke and it became obvious that she was going to have to accept the consequences of her outburst.

// Sorry about the race comment, I honestly thought that it would make the point.
 
2012-10-10 09:55:24 AM  

Leeds: Are you suggesting that I don't stick up for the gays enough in threads?


No. I'm suggesting that, much as some of the more liberal Farkers seem to have a double standard on outrage, so do you in the other direction. The one where the shirt censored offended conservative sensibilities, you posted an incidental piece of snark. Here where the shirt censored offended left-leaning sensibilities, you called for the teacher being banned from the profession.

Perhaps it's coincidence. On the other hand, I've tagged you previously as seeming to have a Republican/conservative lean, who tend to lean higher-RWA, who in turn tend to be more prone to double standards on self/ingroup vs. other/outgroup conduct.

Leeds: As to your contention that I didn't post enough in a thread back in the beginning of April


More that you might want to consider why there was the difference, and more about the difference in qualities than quantity.
 
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