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2012-10-08 12:54:20 AM  

nyseattitude: Spin it harder Self Admitted Paid Troll and you might have Whirlpool nocking at your door.


Where do I go to get paid for posting on Fark? Sounds like a great gig.
 
2012-10-08 12:55:36 AM  

muck4doo: nyseattitude: Spin it harder Self Admitted Paid Troll and you might have Whirlpool nocking at your door.

Where do I go to get paid for posting on Fark? Sounds like a great gig.


If you know a Koch brother personally you will probably do pretty well.
 
2012-10-08 12:57:05 AM  

Sabyen91: muck4doo: nyseattitude: Spin it harder Self Admitted Paid Troll and you might have Whirlpool nocking at your door.

Where do I go to get paid for posting on Fark? Sounds like a great gig.

If you know a Koch brother personally you will probably do pretty well.


I will have to look them up. I could use the money, and have has past experience on the fark politics threads.
 
2012-10-08 12:57:16 AM  

Sabyen91: rynthetyn: Sabyen91: rynthetyn: Sabyen91: rynthetyn: Sabyen91: rynthetyn:
I will say that in real, non-internet, life, the normalcy of a person is inversely related to their willingness to tell you that they were homeschooled. Most of us bring it up as little as possible because we'd rather not trigger people's mental associations with the Duggars or Tim Tebow. The only reason I ever mention it IRL is because at the law school I go to there's an inexplicable preoccupation with where you went to high school (seriously, I graduated in '98, it has not been since '98 that I've had so many conversations that involve, "where did you go to high school?"). Point being, most people's perception of homeschoolers is skewed because the only ones who are public about it are ones who are weird and sheltered.


That is really strange. I am pretty sure "What high school did you attend" never passed my lips (unless I was around 20 and making small talk to try to get laid). I emphasize "try". :)

I think it has something to do with going to a state school. For being one of the most populous states, Florida can be weirdly provincial (hey, it's Florida, "weird" belongs as a modifier on everything in this state), and where you went to high school determines what circles you ran in and who you know. Having done the expensive private liberal arts school route for undergrad, it's a strange world. I understand Florida politics a heck of a lot better now though.

Wisconsin must be really different. The majority of WI public schools are really good (don't include Milwaukee). WI does very well in the ACT (we don't use the SAT) in our public schools. We really don't get the "Public schools are bad" meme the right is selling.

Public schools in Florida are either really good or really bad, there doesn't seem to be much in between. What drags down our test scores is more the fact that they're trying to educate a lot of non-native English speaking kids whose families move around a lot. Our pu ...

Isn't Jax in the panhandle?


The panhandle is more from the big bend area west--aka, south Alabama. Jacksonville is just north Florida, aka, south Georgia.
 
2012-10-08 12:57:58 AM  

muck4doo: Sabyen91: muck4doo: nyseattitude: Spin it harder Self Admitted Paid Troll and you might have Whirlpool nocking at your door.

Where do I go to get paid for posting on Fark? Sounds like a great gig.

If you know a Koch brother personally you will probably do pretty well.

I will have to look them up. I could use the money, and have has past experience on the fark politics threads.


I am waiting for my Soros check. I am a bit pissed I haven't yet gotten one.
 
2012-10-08 01:00:22 AM  

rynthetyn: Sabyen91: rynthetyn: Sabyen91: rynthetyn: Sabyen91: rynthetyn: Sabyen91: rynthetyn:
I will say that in real, non-internet, life, the normalcy of a person is inversely related to their willingness to tell you that they were homeschooled. Most of us bring it up as little as possible because we'd rather not trigger people's mental associations with the Duggars or Tim Tebow. The only reason I ever mention it IRL is because at the law school I go to there's an inexplicable preoccupation with where you went to high school (seriously, I graduated in '98, it has not been since '98 that I've had so many conversations that involve, "where did you go to high school?"). Point being, most people's perception of homeschoolers is skewed because the only ones who are public about it are ones who are weird and sheltered.


That is really strange. I am pretty sure "What high school did you attend" never passed my lips (unless I was around 20 and making small talk to try to get laid). I emphasize "try". :)

I think it has something to do with going to a state school. For being one of the most populous states, Florida can be weirdly provincial (hey, it's Florida, "weird" belongs as a modifier on everything in this state), and where you went to high school determines what circles you ran in and who you know. Having done the expensive private liberal arts school route for undergrad, it's a strange world. I understand Florida politics a heck of a lot better now though.

Wisconsin must be really different. The majority of WI public schools are really good (don't include Milwaukee). WI does very well in the ACT (we don't use the SAT) in our public schools. We really don't get the "Public schools are bad" meme the right is selling.

Public schools in Florida are either really good or really bad, there doesn't seem to be much in between. What drags down our test scores is more the fact that they're trying to educate a lot of non-native English speaking kids whose families move around a l ...>

Hmm, my mom was down there in the late 60's. I believe I have talked about this. She insisted on taking people first come first serve whether they were white or black. I am really proud of that old biatch. :)

 
2012-10-08 01:00:48 AM  
Not helping!
The last thing any Democrat wants to hear is a good reason for the right to whoop, howl and derp.
Freedom of speech is just that.
 
2012-10-08 01:03:45 AM  

Lionel Mandrake: You conservatives do like to generalize, don't you

/yes, I realize I just generalized


There's nothing wrong with generalizing. It's the fundamental basis of deductive logic.  I like generalizing, but I make efforts to safeguard against hasty generalizations.
 
2012-10-08 01:04:18 AM  

ItchyMcDoogle: Not helping!
The last thing any Democrat wants to hear is a good reason for the right to whoop, howl and derp.
Freedom of speech is just that.


School is apparently the last place that the 1st amendment is applicable, though.
 
2012-10-08 01:07:44 AM  

DubyaHater: I guarantee if she was wearing an Obama/Biden t-shirt, everyone in this thread would be crying racism.
/Obama voter
//the bias on this website is quite obvious
///welcome to Fark, blah blah blah


It's rather telling that you simply assume that everyone around you is a mindless partisan zombie.
 
2012-10-08 01:08:28 AM  

Sabyen91: Hmm, my mom was down there in the late 60's. I believe I have talked about this. She insisted on taking people first come first serve whether they were white or black. I am really proud of that old biatch. :)


Given how bad much of North Florida still is, that's quite worth being proud of. I know a kid from Jacksonville who, upon coming out as gay to his mom had is mom tell him, "I could have eventually gotten over you marrying a black girl but not this." Yep, it's 2012 and in North Florida the idea of your son a marrying a black girl is something to be "gotten over" that's only slightly less horrifying than the possibility of your son bringing home a guy.
 
2012-10-08 01:08:48 AM  

Gordon Bennett: DubyaHater: I guarantee if she was wearing an Obama/Biden t-shirt, everyone in this thread would be crying racism.
/Obama voter
//the bias on this website is quite obvious
///welcome to Fark, blah blah blah

It's rather telling that you simply assume that everyone around you is a mindless partisan zombie.


Meh, how is he wrong?
 
2012-10-08 01:11:51 AM  

rynthetyn: Sabyen91: Hmm, my mom was down there in the late 60's. I believe I have talked about this. She insisted on taking people first come first serve whether they were white or black. I am really proud of that old biatch. :)


Given how bad much of North Florida still is, that's quite worth being proud of. I know a kid from Jacksonville who, upon coming out as gay to his mom had is mom tell him, "I could have eventually gotten over you marrying a black girl but not this." Yep, it's 2012 and in North Florida the idea of your son a marrying a black girl is something to be "gotten over" that's only slightly less horrifying than the possibility of your son bringing home a guy.


I hear you. She probably took her life in her own hands back then. She told me she didn't realize what she was doing and that she was just doing what she thought was right. Being a Yankee in the south in the 60's must have been crazy.
 
2012-10-08 01:16:12 AM  
The only problem I have with this is that the person doing the accosting was in a clear position of authority over the object of her wrath. That's not right, especially when children are involved.

But yeah, pretty much everyone wearing a Romney/Ryan shirt should be told to GTFO and get back to their Klan meeting.
 
2012-10-08 01:20:32 AM  

jmadisonbiii: indylaw: cman: loveblondieo: Here's another article naming the teacher and reporting on some of the backlash she's gotten.

FTA: Sophomore Samantha Pawlucy said Gaymon called her out for wearing the shirt and told her it was analogous to the teacher, who is black, wearing a KKK shirt.

Jesus, a teacher said this?

We all know that we can always take the uncorroborated word of a partisan child hack as gospel.

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Yeah it usually ends badly.
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Didn't end so badly for the piece of shiat on the left.
/resist we much
 
2012-10-08 01:22:24 AM  

Sabyen91: rynthetyn: Sabyen91: Hmm, my mom was down there in the late 60's. I believe I have talked about this. She insisted on taking people first come first serve whether they were white or black. I am really proud of that old biatch. :)


Given how bad much of North Florida still is, that's quite worth being proud of. I know a kid from Jacksonville who, upon coming out as gay to his mom had is mom tell him, "I could have eventually gotten over you marrying a black girl but not this." Yep, it's 2012 and in North Florida the idea of your son a marrying a black girl is something to be "gotten over" that's only slightly less horrifying than the possibility of your son bringing home a guy.

I hear you. She probably took her life in her own hands back then. She told me she didn't realize what she was doing and that she was just doing what she thought was right. Being a Yankee in the south in the 60's must have been crazy.


My grandparents moved from rural Pennsylvania to Florida in 1960 right before my mom started her junior year of high school. Her school was integrated a year after she graduated and I grew up hearing about how much she regretted that she was completely oblivious to what was going on at the time. I think part of my views on social justice and the importance of activism come from hearing my mom talk about how much she regrets being on the sidelines when she should have spoken up.
 
2012-10-08 01:26:11 AM  

The Name: But yeah, pretty much everyone wearing a Romney/Ryan shirt should be told to GTFO and get back to their Klan meeting.


You sound a cool guy, not at all like a frothing anti-social lunatic.
 
2012-10-08 01:27:20 AM  

Sabyen91: I am waiting for my Soros check. I am a bit pissed I haven't yet gotten one.


Bummer. :(
 
2012-10-08 01:27:42 AM  

rynthetyn: Sabyen91: rynthetyn: Sabyen91: Hmm, my mom was down there in the late 60's. I believe I have talked about this. She insisted on taking people first come first serve whether they were white or black. I am really proud of that old biatch. :)


Given how bad much of North Florida still is, that's quite worth being proud of. I know a kid from Jacksonville who, upon coming out as gay to his mom had is mom tell him, "I could have eventually gotten over you marrying a black girl but not this." Yep, it's 2012 and in North Florida the idea of your son a marrying a black girl is something to be "gotten over" that's only slightly less horrifying than the possibility of your son bringing home a guy.

I hear you. She probably took her life in her own hands back then. She told me she didn't realize what she was doing and that she was just doing what she thought was right. Being a Yankee in the south in the 60's must have been crazy.

My grandparents moved from rural Pennsylvania to Florida in 1960 right before my mom started her junior year of high school. Her school was integrated a year after she graduated and I grew up hearing about how much she regretted that she was completely oblivious to what was going on at the time. I think part of my views on social justice and the importance of activism come from hearing my mom talk about how much she regrets being on the sidelines when she should have spoken up.


I really think my mom didn't understand the idiotic shiat going on in the south. My dad went to the AF base and my mom had to work at a restaurant. She did not allow the white folks cutting in line. She is not dead so it must not have been TOO bad. :)
 
2012-10-08 01:28:25 AM  

muck4doo: Sabyen91: I am waiting for my Soros check. I am a bit pissed I haven't yet gotten one.

Bummer. :(


I need that Soros check!
 
2012-10-08 01:31:02 AM  
I remember when some COLORS were banned at school, due to gang associations.
 
2012-10-08 01:31:43 AM  

Sabyen91: rynthetyn: Sabyen91: rynthetyn: Sabyen91: Hmm, my mom was down there in the late 60's. I believe I have talked about this. She insisted on taking people first come first serve whether they were white or black. I am really proud of that old biatch. :)


Given how bad much of North Florida still is, that's quite worth being proud of. I know a kid from Jacksonville who, upon coming out as gay to his mom had is mom tell him, "I could have eventually gotten over you marrying a black girl but not this." Yep, it's 2012 and in North Florida the idea of your son a marrying a black girl is something to be "gotten over" that's only slightly less horrifying than the possibility of your son bringing home a guy.

I hear you. She probably took her life in her own hands back then. She told me she didn't realize what she was doing and that she was just doing what she thought was right. Being a Yankee in the south in the 60's must have been crazy.

My grandparents moved from rural Pennsylvania to Florida in 1960 right before my mom started her junior year of high school. Her school was integrated a year after she graduated and I grew up hearing about how much she regretted that she was completely oblivious to what was going on at the time. I think part of my views on social justice and the importance of activism come from hearing my mom talk about how much she regrets being on the sidelines when she should have spoken up.

I really think my mom didn't understand the idiotic shiat going on in the south. My dad went to the AF base and my mom had to work at a restaurant. She did not allow the white folks cutting in line. She is not dead so it must not have been TOO bad. :)


Yeah, I think a lot of people from the north didn't really know just how bad it was. My dad tells the story of going on vacation to the south as a kid, touring a factory, and getting yelled at for drinking out of the "black" water fountain--before then, he didn't know that such a thing as segregation existed.
 
2012-10-08 01:35:50 AM  

rynthetyn: Sabyen91: rynthetyn: Sabyen91: rynthetyn: Sabyen91: Hmm, my mom was down there in the late 60's. I believe I have talked about this. She insisted on taking people first come first serve whether they were white or black. I am really proud of that old biatch. :)


Given how bad much of North Florida still is, that's quite worth being proud of. I know a kid from Jacksonville who, upon coming out as gay to his mom had is mom tell him, "I could have eventually gotten over you marrying a black girl but not this." Yep, it's 2012 and in North Florida the idea of your son a marrying a black girl is something to be "gotten over" that's only slightly less horrifying than the possibility of your son bringing home a guy.

I hear you. She probably took her life in her own hands back then. She told me she didn't realize what she was doing and that she was just doing what she thought was right. Being a Yankee in the south in the 60's must have been crazy.

My grandparents moved from rural Pennsylvania to Florida in 1960 right before my mom started her junior year of high school. Her school was integrated a year after she graduated and I grew up hearing about how much she regretted that she was completely oblivious to what was going on at the time. I think part of my views on social justice and the importance of activism come from hearing my mom talk about how much she regrets being on the sidelines when she should have spoken up.

I really think my mom didn't understand the idiotic shiat going on in the south. My dad went to the AF base and my mom had to work at a restaurant. She did not allow the white folks cutting in line. She is not dead so it must not have been TOO bad. :)

Yeah, I think a lot of people from the north didn't really know just how bad it was. My dad tells the story of going on vacation to the south as a kid, touring a factory, and getting yelled at for drinking out of the "black" water fountain--before then, he didn't know that such a thing as segregation ...


My mom did tell me about how her co-workers didn't get her. They had no clue why she was treating black people equally.
 
2012-10-08 01:51:06 AM  

Sabyen91: rynthetyn: Sabyen91: rynthetyn: Sabyen91: rynthetyn: Sabyen91: Hmm, my mom was down there in the late 60's. I believe I have talked about this. She insisted on taking people first come first serve whether they were white or black. I am really proud of that old biatch. :)


Given how bad much of North Florida still is, that's quite worth being proud of. I know a kid from Jacksonville who, upon coming out as gay to his mom had is mom tell him, "I could have eventually gotten over you marrying a black girl but not this." Yep, it's 2012 and in North Florida the idea of your son a marrying a black girl is something to be "gotten over" that's only slightly less horrifying than the possibility of your son bringing home a guy.

I hear you. She probably took her life in her own hands back then. She told me she didn't realize what she was doing and that she was just doing what she thought was right. Being a Yankee in the south in the 60's must have been crazy.

My grandparents moved from rural Pennsylvania to Florida in 1960 right before my mom started her junior year of high school. Her school was integrated a year after she graduated and I grew up hearing about how much she regretted that she was completely oblivious to what was going on at the time. I think part of my views on social justice and the importance of activism come from hearing my mom talk about how much she regrets being on the sidelines when she should have spoken up.

I really think my mom didn't understand the idiotic shiat going on in the south. My dad went to the AF base and my mom had to work at a restaurant. She did not allow the white folks cutting in line. She is not dead so it must not have been TOO bad. :)

Yeah, I think a lot of people from the north didn't really know just how bad it was. My dad tells the story of going on vacation to the south as a kid, touring a factory, and getting yelled at for drinking out of the "black" water fountain--before then, he didn't know that such a thing as ...

My mom did tell me about how her co-workers didn't get her. They had no clue why she was treating black people equally.



Can't say that I'm surprised by that. Even in the mid-90s I knew people who were surprised that my parents didn't have a problem with interracial marriage--the idea that someone thought black people aren't any different than white people was a foreign concept.
 
2012-10-08 01:54:54 AM  

bigstoopidbruce: Cymbal: I really don't see much difference in Romney/Ryan and the KKK. They both get off on oppressing minorities, the KKK is just less effective at it now that they don't have much political clout at the federal level.

1/10


I agree with Cymbal. I take it you do not?
 
2012-10-08 01:57:38 AM  
Keep in mind that I am VERY liberal. The first thought that went through my mind upon reading this was complete rage at the teacher. How in the world can someone whose job it is to introduce new ideas to people do something like that. One of the core tenets of liberalism is that people have the right to think and express whatever they want to.

Then, I realized that this student may well be lying. Kids love to attract attention to themselves.

Anyhow, if this story is true, I hope that that teacher gets tossed out of the classroom and loses her teaching license, because that person has no business being in the classroom
If the kid is lying, I hope she gets shamed endlessly for doing that to someone.
 
2012-10-08 02:24:40 AM  

HeartBurnKid: Just Another OC Homeless Guy: Dwight_Yeast: Just Another OC Homeless Guy: Dress codes. How wurk?

Funny, it was the Conservatives in this country who pushed schools to adopt dress codes in the first place.

Yeah, I think that was generally the case.

So?

So, most school dress codes ban clothes that feature slogans or stances on controversial issues. And given how extraordinarily polarized the electorate is, the Presidential election is definitely a controversial issue. So it's entirely possible that this kid violated her school's dress code. And since conservatives pushed for dress codes in the first place, there's a certain "hoist by your own petard" feel to it.


I suppose.
 
2012-10-08 03:13:40 AM  

darkedgefan: No surprise here. I am sure 90% of college professors vote for Dems... Does anyone dispute that? I wonder how high it is for High School teachers? 75%?? I love those "tolerant" liberals.



So the smartest most well read people on subjects are more liberal, that should tell you something about your viewpoint.
 
2012-10-08 03:52:15 AM  

intelligent comment below: darkedgefan: No surprise here. I am sure 90% of college professors vote for Dems... Does anyone dispute that? I wonder how high it is for High School teachers? 75%?? I love those "tolerant" liberals.


So the smartest most well read people on subjects are more liberal, that should tell you something about your viewpoint.


The smartest most well read people belong to unions that rip off the public to benefit themselves. That is true.
 
2012-10-08 06:25:13 AM  

muck4doo: nyseattitude: Spin it harder Self Admitted Paid Troll and you might have Whirlpool nocking at your door.

Where do I go to get paid for posting on Fark? Sounds like a great gig.


Your pesos are waiting for you back home, I'm sure.
 
2012-10-08 06:35:36 AM  

ghare: muck4doo: nyseattitude: Spin it harder Self Admitted Paid Troll and you might have Whirlpool nocking at your door.

Where do I go to get paid for posting on Fark? Sounds like a great gig.

Your pesos are waiting for you back home, I'm sure.


Can you ever comment without being a racist douche? Seriously, did a mexican rape you or your sister? You have a lot of hate.
 
2012-10-08 06:54:59 AM  

muck4doo: intelligent comment below: darkedgefan: No surprise here. I am sure 90% of college professors vote for Dems... Does anyone dispute that? I wonder how high it is for High School teachers? 75%?? I love those "tolerant" liberals.


So the smartest most well read people on subjects are more liberal, that should tell you something about your viewpoint.

The smartest most well read people belong to unions that rip off the public to benefit themselves exercise the right to assemble. That is true.


That's the actual truth. 

Constitution...how does it work?
 
2012-10-08 07:09:36 AM  

Mike_LowELL: Rumor has it on a site whose name I forgot from a certain poster that the kid was sent to Guantanamo. Disgusting. We used to send terrorists there. Now we send Republicans.


I can kind of see this.
 
2012-10-08 07:39:10 AM  

Lorelle: "If it was a joke between two adults, I can take a joke like that but (my daughter) didn't know how to take it. She doesn't understand, she actually thinks she did something wrong," her father, Richard Pawlucy, said.

If the kid doesn't understand the potential consequences of wearing such a shirt, perhaps she shouldn't wear it in the first place.

It's quite obvious that her parents put her up to it.


I wouldn't vote for Romney in a million years (not being an American is the least contributing factor) but this kid should get a little respect for expressing her political leanings. What was the turnout percentage in the last Federal election? As I recall it was about as dismal as the turnout in Canada's last run. The next generation needs to be reinforced in having an interest in politics, not discouraged for making a choice her teachers don't approve of. Her life experiences will finesse her booth scribbles over time. One shouldn't trample on that even in jest.
 
2012-10-08 07:39:25 AM  

clkeagle: Despite how much I detest the Romney/Ryan ticket... this story really bothers me.

CSB time: spent three years with a girl whose family was ultra-ultra-partisan Democrat. Like to the point that her sister called me a "baby killer" when I came home in uniform. It took an extreme turn at the '04 election, when even her 8 year old brother couldn't get through a dinner without parroting "Bush is such an idiot."

At that moment, I swore my own children would never be indoctrinated like that. Now, when my 5 year old comes out and sees us laughing at Jon Stewart, we explain to her that everyone in this country gets to vote. And we personally think the president we have now is much better than Romney, but it's okay when other people disagree with us.

Obviously she'll pick up (or specifically rebel against) many of our biases just by being around us. But I'll be damned if my child will become a blind cult follower - even if it's my cult.

Back to the story - the student may just be AWing (both by wearing the shirt and by making a big deal out of this), but the teacher handled it really poorly. If a teacher wants to meddle politically, take 15 minutes out of your curriculum and encourage your students to have a structured debate. Especially on the topic of support for public education.


I do my best not to indoctrinate the wee ones, but there are just some things you can't explain. Like the time when my son and I were walking through a shopping center parking lot (he's 6 at the time), and someone backs out in front of us, almost knocking us over. The driver, unprompted, flicks us off and drives away. Sometimes kids want to know why people are acting strangely. I looked at the rear of the car, and it was filled with NOBama and Bush stickers. I said, "don't worry about it. He's a Republican."
 
2012-10-08 07:53:45 AM  

Rich Cream: You sound tired too


no, the liberal excuses sound tired, really.

 
2012-10-08 07:55:59 AM  
Being from Wisconsin, I could almost imagine if this were a kid wearing a pro-Walker shirt to school, to a public school. I wouldn't compare it to the KKK, but it's still bad form. Remember when we, as a society, used to respect educators? Now we have this whole thing about kids being able to show up for their free schooling, wearing a shirt that embodies "Screw you teachers, screw all the hours you're not paid for that you spend planning lessons, screw all the out of pocket expenses you sacrifice for things for our classrooms, and screw your caring that kids learn something... And public schools are socialism! Even though I'm in one right now."
 
2012-10-08 07:56:58 AM  

Kibbler: Snowflake was humiliated. We need a full investigation. A true hate crime. Somebody call Desmond Tutu and check his schedule. We need towels and hot water, and generators and a six month food supply and a communication console. Let's move, people. The fate of the free world is in our...

Wait. I just got word het parents don't pay federal income tax. You believe that? Fark that biatch.


The comment was uncalled for and not even close to being a joke. A black teacher compares a white students tee shirt to being the same as the KKK. If other black students are in the class, is there a chance they feel the teacher put this student in with the KKK and now she is a target.

The teacher is racist and isn't getting called out for it here on the new gay liberal Fark
 
2012-10-08 07:59:19 AM  

Kittypie070: Nice to be reminded every now and then why I threw vegasj out the airlock.

With no suit.

eh, ignore is for pussies that have no argument.



Sabyen91: Heh, find any race thread and you will remember why you threw him out


Don't hate me that the news reports the way it is.

 
2012-10-08 08:02:38 AM  

heavymetal: We have people who homeschool where I work (I'm an engineer). They are also very versed in the defense of home schooling. I have heard all of it despite once never questioning their choice; they just seem naturally defensive on the subject. They are also very churchy/religious people and tend to be bothered that I do not attend a church. I have found a perfect way to troll them on the issue though. I got ordained as a minister on the internet and tell them I "Home Church". While they want to criticize it, any criticism would mirror that of a home school criticism. Now they generally avoid the subject with me.


Brilliant. Simply brilliant.

+1 internet to you good sir.
 
2012-10-08 08:19:17 AM  

abb3w: student rights


huh... I distinctly remember not having rights until after I graduated. I had "privileges". Overbearing administration of draconian codes of conduct just gets press coverage these days.
 
2012-10-08 08:45:26 AM  

Weaver95: abb3w: vpb: This sounds a lot like those stories where the pledge of allegiance and the flag are supposedly banned by evil liberal teachers.

Here, however, the principal made the teacher apologize, and there's an investigation ongoing. The kid has the right to wear the T-shirt; the teacher was in the wrong, and should get some remedial training on the bounds of student freedom of expression.

That said, the political right will have fun hyping this up as an infringement of student rights. For contrast, the reaction by the right wingers at the Blaze over the "Jesus is not a homophobe" T-shirt back in April.

so basically it's ok to wear pro-conservative tee shirts to class, but 'bong hits for jesus' ain't gonna happen...?


So Im sure you guys would also support a student wearing a 'Mohammad was a pedophile' T-shirt.

You really cant see any difference between a Romney/Ryan shirt and a 'Jesus was not a homophobe' shirt.
 
2012-10-08 08:56:29 AM  
"If it was a joke between two adults, I can take a joke like that but (my daughter) didn't know how to take it. She doesn't understand, she actually thinks she did something wrong," her father, Richard Pawlucy, said.

She doesn't understand even after it's been explained to her? Is this a special ed school?
 
2012-10-08 09:02:01 AM  
"The teacher told me to get out of the classroom, I said no," Samantha said.
...
"I can just picture her sitting there, feeling ashamed for just wearing a T-shirt," said her mother, Christine Pawlucy. "That someone could spin that and throw it back on a 16-year-old child and make her feel so terrible."


Then I guess she should have obeyed authority and left the classroom.

Seriously, she stood up to the teacher, but then complains about the treatment she got after doing so?

She should be proud of standing up for herself, but instead she is being treated as a victim of a terrible liberal ogre.

She appears to be a perfect representation of the modern GOP.
 
2012-10-08 09:07:19 AM  
Ahem. I'll just put this here:

Tinker v. Demoines
 
2012-10-08 09:12:46 AM  
the republicans are getting desperate. they are still well behind in the polls.
 
2012-10-08 09:15:07 AM  
reminds me how much a 16 year old knows of the world. but she will most definitly find out eventually.
 
2012-10-08 09:23:33 AM  
Isn't that the same douchebag who documented phallic symbols/structures at Denver Airport? I'm pretty sure The Daily Show did a segment on him.
 
2012-10-08 09:27:11 AM  

pdee: So Im sure you guys would also support a student wearing a 'Mohammad was a pedophile' T-shirt.


As a matter of law, it's probably too overtly sexual a message for middle or elementary school, and likely to meet the standard of being judged likely to "materially and substantially disrupt the work and discipline of the school" per Tinker v Des Moines (which radiobiz alluded to). High school, it might or might not pass muster.

As a matter of politics, I'd be fine with it myself. I think the standard from Tinker is too often interpreted by the courts with social norms trumping student speech, particularly Morse v Frederick. However, I'm not a K-12 teacher and don't have kids myself; parents may have stronger opinions, and some manner of rationale to back them up.
 
2012-10-08 09:46:05 AM  
Schools should be teaching students how to think, not what to think
 
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