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2012-10-07 06:52:49 PM

Vectron: simplicimus: Plus I have 2 loud but harmless dogs


...makes note of address....


Beware, you will be sniffed vigorously, and possibly licked.
 
2012-10-07 06:53:31 PM
taurusowner:

Nice handle for this thread:

i291.photobucket.com

/can you fly bobby
 
2012-10-07 06:53:55 PM

simplicimus: PallMall: simplicimus: I live just outside of Houston, so those stats don't surprise me.

I just moved away from Houston, so I hear ya.

Yeah, wife and I are curled up in Northwest Harris county, so relatively safe. Plus I have 2 loud but harmless dogs.


I fled the County all together. Plus I'm close to the water now. NW Harris County is really expanding right now. You'll probably have to move again in the next couple of years to avoid the crap that invades.
 
2012-10-07 06:55:10 PM

PallMall: simplicimus: PallMall: simplicimus: I live just outside of Houston, so those stats don't surprise me.

I just moved away from Houston, so I hear ya.

Yeah, wife and I are curled up in Northwest Harris county, so relatively safe. Plus I have 2 loud but harmless dogs.

I fled the County all together. Plus I'm close to the water now. NW Harris County is really expanding right now. You'll probably have to move again in the next couple of years to avoid the crap that invades.


Or people could, I dunno, choose to stand up to the crap and force it to go somewhere else, rather than moving. But, hey, why stand up for it when you can run from it, amirite?
 
2012-10-07 06:56:01 PM

Kit Fister: PallMall: simplicimus: PallMall: simplicimus: I live just outside of Houston, so those stats don't surprise me.

I just moved away from Houston, so I hear ya.

Yeah, wife and I are curled up in Northwest Harris county, so relatively safe. Plus I have 2 loud but harmless dogs.

I fled the County all together. Plus I'm close to the water now. NW Harris County is really expanding right now. You'll probably have to move again in the next couple of years to avoid the crap that invades.

Or people could, I dunno, choose to stand up to the crap and force it to go somewhere else, rather than moving. But, hey, why stand up for to it when you can run from it, amirite?


FTFM
 
2012-10-07 06:56:15 PM

Thanks for the Meme-ries: taurusowner:

Nice handle for this thread:

[i291.photobucket.com image 640x346]

/can you fly bobby


I should probably change my name since I actually sold the Taurus to a buddy. All I have pistol-wise now is a few Smith and Wesson M&Ps of various models plus my department issue Glock.
 
2012-10-07 07:00:54 PM

taurusowner: Thanks for the Meme-ries: taurusowner:

Nice handle for this thread:

[i291.photobucket.com image 640x346]

/can you fly bobby

I should probably change my name since I actually sold the Taurus to a buddy. All I have pistol-wise now is a few Smith and Wesson M&Ps of various models plus my department issue Glock.



"department issue Glock"

uh...just kidding about saving addresses.
 
2012-10-07 07:04:48 PM

PallMall: simplicimus: PallMall: simplicimus: I live just outside of Houston, so those stats don't surprise me.

I just moved away from Houston, so I hear ya.

Yeah, wife and I are curled up in Northwest Harris county, so relatively safe. Plus I have 2 loud but harmless dogs.

I fled the County all together. Plus I'm close to the water now. NW Harris County is really expanding right now. You'll probably have to move again in the next couple of years to avoid the crap that invades.


Actually, I'll probably move to Giddings. My wife is Austin based, but I'm not impressed at all with Austin. On the other hand,I grew up in NYC, so my standards are a little different.
 
2012-10-07 07:07:46 PM

Kit Fister: Or people could, I dunno, choose to stand up to the crap and force it to go somewhere else, rather than moving. But, hey, why stand up for it when you can run from it, amirite?


So stand up to violent criminals being allowed to come into the city?
Maybe put a wall around it with battlements for missiles and heavy artillery?
Charge $2,000 toll to pass through on I-10, I-45 or Highway 59?

or perhaps..

Start a march against crime, and go into bad neighborhoods and preach about the negative effects of illegal drugs and contraband?
Burn a candle and have a moment of silence for those lost to violence?
Send them all strongly worded letters?
Tell them to stop killing, robbing and raping, because it makes babby jebus cry?
Give Quanell X some money to do a press conference and talk about how crime is hurting the community?

?
 
2012-10-07 07:10:23 PM
 
2012-10-07 07:11:12 PM

Shang-High: In case they get deleted, here are the wonderful comments showing right now: [i.imgur.com image 618x322]


These people are putting their real names on these comments.
I'm more astounded by the stupidity than the racism.
 
2012-10-07 07:11:19 PM

taurusowner: I should probably change my name since I actually sold the Taurus to a buddy. All I have pistol-wise now is a few Smith and Wesson M&Ps of various models plus my department issue Glock.


Since your ideas are fantastical at best, let me give you a little schooling...

In a small town of 100, it takes one.
In a metropolis of millions, it takes military strikes an army.
 
2012-10-07 07:11:42 PM

PallMall: Kit Fister: Or people could, I dunno, choose to stand up to the crap and force it to go somewhere else, rather than moving. But, hey, why stand up for it when you can run from it, amirite?

So stand up to violent criminals being allowed to come into the city?
Maybe put a wall around it with battlements for missiles and heavy artillery?
Charge $2,000 toll to pass through on I-10, I-45 or Highway 59?

or perhaps..

Start a march against crime, and go into bad neighborhoods and preach about the negative effects of illegal drugs and contraband?
Burn a candle and have a moment of silence for those lost to violence?
Send them all strongly worded letters?
Tell them to stop killing, robbing and raping, because it makes babby jebus cry?
Give Quanell X some money to do a press conference and talk about how crime is hurting the community?

?


It's Texas. Arm up, get that shotgun.
 
2012-10-07 07:12:51 PM

taurusowner: That wasn't meant for you, don't know WTF happened there...

Kit Fister: Or people could, I dunno, choose to stand up to the crap and force it to go somewhere else, rather than moving. But, hey, why stand up for it when you can run from it, amirite?



Since your ideas are fantastical at best, let me give you a little schooling...

In a small town of 100, it takes one.
In a metropolis of millions, it takes military strikes an army.
 
2012-10-07 07:13:13 PM

tomcatadam: Shang-High: In case they get deleted, here are the wonderful comments showing right now: [i.imgur.com image 618x322]

These people are putting their real names on these comments.
I'm more astounded by the stupidity than the racism.


Do you think they are separable?
 
2012-10-07 07:15:20 PM

simplicimus: Actually, I'll probably move to Giddings. My wife is Austin based, but I'm not impressed at all with Austin. On the other hand,I grew up in NYC, so my standards are a little different.


Good call. Giddings isn't a bad move. Sure is different than NYC though.

simplicimus: It's Texas. Arm up, get that shotgun.


I've got the shotgun, but walking around in Houston with it is frowned upon.
 
2012-10-07 07:20:53 PM
images4.wikia.nocookie.net
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media.brainz.org
 
2012-10-07 07:20:57 PM

PallMall: simplicimus: Actually, I'll probably move to Giddings. My wife is Austin based, but I'm not impressed at all with Austin. On the other hand,I grew up in NYC, so my standards are a little different.

Good call. Giddings isn't a bad move. Sure is different than NYC though.

simplicimus: It's Texas. Arm up, get that shotgun.

I've got the shotgun, but walking around in Houston with it is frowned upon.


Well, yeah Giddings is not NYC, but I can't handle the smug in Austin. Plus the dogs need some running space.
And a .38 or a 9mm. The CC license only takes 8 hours.
 
2012-10-07 07:23:47 PM

ThrobblefootSpectre: Great, the first U.S. government travel advisory for someplace inside the U.S. Something tells me this won't be the last one.


It's what happens when you let Democrats run things for decades. Expect your prophecy to hold true on a larger scale if Obama is reelected and one of his cronies is voted in 2016.
 
2012-10-07 07:27:17 PM

SithLord: ThrobblefootSpectre: Great, the first U.S. government travel advisory for someplace inside the U.S. Something tells me this won't be the last one.

It's what happens when you let Democrats run things for decades. Expect your prophecy to hold true on a larger scale if Obama is reelected and one of his cronies is voted in 2016.


Oh, good grief, you think this is democrat game rather than the republican end game?
 
2012-10-07 07:31:16 PM
 
2012-10-07 07:36:10 PM

simplicimus: atomicmask: simplicimus: atomicmask: So lets take inventory of detroit...

Black mayor
Black city council
Black police chief
Black community

City a shiat hole and in ruins, you may be murdered for living in detroit, and the police just do not give a damn...

I can't for the life of me see the connecting factor.

Lack of job opportunities and poor choice in elected officials?

Yeap, that is exactly it...but you are again blaming symptoms of the disease on the overall sickness, and not the disease. It is not even really a "black" thing, other then a black cultural thing. The celebration of ignorance, the constant victim mentality, and the overall desire to destroy rather then create. It is not limited to black communities, but it does wear the crown in them. There are plenty of black individuals who escape this mentality and culture and do quite well, are excellent members of communities...they are often brought up in white majority areas though.

I have an ample amount of white trash in my extended family. Most have done jail time, most are on drugs or alcoholics, most have sporadic employment, most have little respect for education. It's a class thing, not a racial thing.



You might have a point had he not said it first. 

Note the bolded - especially the underlined.
 
2012-10-07 08:09:53 PM
I live in a country with a daily death-toll (from violent crime), higher than that of Iraq at the peak of Desert-Storm, or any other resent war in the world for that matter, actually...(casualties on both sides combined). I wish our police would tell us to "enter at own risk", because that would allow me to also "take the LAW into my own hands". They sure as hell have no clue as to what to do with it.
 
2012-10-07 08:12:43 PM
Why is the last name of the police spokesman repeatedly not capitalized? At first, I thought it was just a typo, then it seems that every instance isn't capitalized. Is that some cool thing like "Sting" or "Madonna" or am I missing something?
 
2012-10-07 08:13:15 PM

Amos Quito: simplicimus: atomicmask: simplicimus: atomicmask: So lets take inventory of detroit...

Black mayor
Black city council
Black police chief
Black community

City a shiat hole and in ruins, you may be murdered for living in detroit, and the police just do not give a damn...

I can't for the life of me see the connecting factor.

Lack of job opportunities and poor choice in elected officials?

Yeap, that is exactly it...but you are again blaming symptoms of the disease on the overall sickness, and not the disease. It is not even really a "black" thing, other then a black cultural thing. The celebration of ignorance, the constant victim mentality, and the overall desire to destroy rather then create. It is not limited to black communities, but it does wear the crown in them. There are plenty of black individuals who escape this mentality and culture and do quite well, are excellent members of communities...they are often brought up in white majority areas though.

I have an ample amount of white trash in my extended family. Most have done jail time, most are on drugs or alcoholics, most have sporadic employment, most have little respect for education. It's a class thing, not a racial thing.


You might have a point had he not said it first. 

Note the bolded - especially the underlined.


So you missed my point completely. It's not a "Black thing", it's a class thing.
 
2012-10-07 08:23:55 PM

PallMall: taurusowner: That wasn't meant for you, don't know WTF happened there...

Kit Fister: Or people could, I dunno, choose to stand up to the crap and force it to go somewhere else, rather than moving. But, hey, why stand up for it when you can run from it, amirite?


Since your ideas are fantastical at best, let me give you a little schooling...

In a small town of 100, it takes one.
In a metropolis of millions, it takes military strikes an army.


While I agree with this in theory, it's not fantastical to do what has worked elsewhere: improve the neighborhood, have neighbors willing to watch out for each other, and people in general willing to take responsibility. Even if it's a few blocks.

But, I suppose you're right. Given detroit at this point, i'd say the only way to do it would be to barricade off your area and go totally post-apocolypse survivalist on it, and I doubt the measures needed to stop the flood would be palletable by some.
 
2012-10-07 08:30:12 PM

simplicimus: Amos Quito: simplicimus: atomicmask: simplicimus: atomicmask: So lets take inventory of detroit...

Black mayor
Black city council
Black police chief
Black community

City a shiat hole and in ruins, you may be murdered for living in detroit, and the police just do not give a damn...

I can't for the life of me see the connecting factor.

Lack of job opportunities and poor choice in elected officials?

Yeap, that is exactly it...but you are again blaming symptoms of the disease on the overall sickness, and not the disease. It is not even really a "black" thing, other then a black cultural thing. The celebration of ignorance, the constant victim mentality, and the overall desire to destroy rather then create. It is not limited to black communities, but it does wear the crown in them. There are plenty of black individuals who escape this mentality and culture and do quite well, are excellent members of communities...they are often brought up in white majority areas though.

I have an ample amount of white trash in my extended family. Most have done jail time, most are on drugs or alcoholics, most have sporadic employment, most have little respect for education. It's a class thing, not a racial thing.


You might have a point had he not said it first. 

Note the bolded - especially the underlined.

So you missed my point completely. It's not a "Black thing", it's a class thing.


It is not a "class" thing...or else we would be issuing travel warnings for part of rural kentucky... Notice that the places that are considered most dangerous are cities containing large portions of minorities who have specific cultures? That culture is ignorance, celebrated in rap, celebrated in the media, celebrated and cherished in black dominated neighborhoods. When said places label black men who want to get an education and make something of themselves "uncle toms" that should speak loads about the mentality of this culture..What in white culture equals that? Larry the cable guy?
 
2012-10-07 08:31:02 PM

simplicimus: Amos Quito: simplicimus: atomicmask: simplicimus: atomicmask: So lets take inventory of detroit...

Black mayor
Black city council
Black police chief
Black community

City a shiat hole and in ruins, you may be murdered for living in detroit, and the police just do not give a damn...

I can't for the life of me see the connecting factor.

Lack of job opportunities and poor choice in elected officials?

Yeap, that is exactly it...but you are again blaming symptoms of the disease on the overall sickness, and not the disease. It is not even really a "black" thing, other then a black cultural thing. The celebration of ignorance, the constant victim mentality, and the overall desire to destroy rather then create. It is not limited to black communities, but it does wear the crown in them. There are plenty of black individuals who escape this mentality and culture and do quite well, are excellent members of communities...they are often brought up in white majority areas though.

I have an ample amount of white trash in my extended family. Most have done jail time, most are on drugs or alcoholics, most have sporadic employment, most have little respect for education. It's a class thing, not a racial thing.


You might have a point had he not said it first. 

Note the bolded - especially the underlined.

So you missed my point completely. It's not a "Black thing", it's a class thing.



More of a "cultural thing", actually.

Blacks make up 13% of the US population, yet account for circa 50% of all murders (both as perps and as victims).

Poor "whites" (including Latinos") outnumber poor blacks by far. If it were simply a "class thing" as you suggest, we should see murder and other crime rates among "whites" far outpacing those committed by blacks - but we don't.

Unless your definition of "class" is different than mine, it is the culture that must be addressed.
 
2012-10-07 08:36:21 PM

atomicmask: So you missed my point completely. It's not a "Black thing", it's a class thing.

It is not a "class" thing...or else we would be issuing travel warnings for part of rural kentucky... Notice that the places that are considered most dangerous are cities containing large portions of minorities who have specific cultures? That culture is ignorance, celebrated in rap, celebrated in the media, celebrated and cherished in black dominated neighborhoods. When said places label black men who want to get an education and make something of themselves "uncle toms" that should speak loads about the mentality of this culture..What in white culture equals that? Larry the cable guy?



Indeed.

Also, crime and criminality have become accepted - even celebrated in black culture. Look at the role models (aside from sports stars) that are embraced.

The roots of this go back to Lyndon Johnson, the "Great Society" and the trap of entitlement programs that followed.

Cultural poison.
 
2012-10-07 08:36:45 PM

atomicmask: simplicimus: Amos Quito: simplicimus: atomicmask: simplicimus: atomicmask:
It is not a "class" thing...or else we would be issuing travel warnings for part of rural kentucky... Notice that the places that are considered most dangerous are cities containing large portions of minorities who have specific cultures? That culture is ignorance, celebrated in rap, celebrated in the media, celebrated and cherished in black dominated neighborhoods. When said places label black men who want to get an education and make something of themselves "uncle toms" that should speak loads about the mentality of this culture..What in white culture equals that? Larry the cable ...


" Notice that the places that are considered most dangerous are cities containing large portions of minorities who have specific cultures?"

Like my little hometown of NYC?
 
2012-10-07 08:38:18 PM

simplicimus:
So you missed my point completely. It's not a "Black thing", it's a class thing.



Ah. Science.
 
2012-10-07 08:38:49 PM

taurusowner: Detroit is a shining example of decades-long liberal democrat control. That city and its conditions are exactly what happen when you take liberal policies to their logical conclusion. You simply cannot drive out business, increase government corruption and control, pay off the unions, and stir up the racial anger pot for so long without something like Detroit being the result. Detroit is the one of the first of many children of liberalism. There will be many many more in the coming days. I hope you're ready. Things are not going to get better, and we will see this on a national scale soon enough.


As much as people want to disagree with you, the truth obviously hurts them. You're spot on with that comment. Most naysayers haven't even been to Detroit, so they are clueless when they disagree.

One fact that should frighten people is this: There have been stories written in the past that have shown Detroit to be a model for other big cities throughout history for the rest of the country. Many of the trends that occurred in other big cities socially, economically, structurally, culturally, politically, etc began in Detroit first. Other cities didn't change over night. but they did eventually follow suit. Pray that the current condition doesn't eventually follow that pattern everywhere else.

Go ahead and say it - "People in other cities are too smart to let that happen". That's what they thought in Detroit as well.
 
2012-10-07 08:53:33 PM

The_Homeless_Guy: Love the "send the N***rs back to africa"


Hey, the truth hurts.
 
2012-10-07 08:56:39 PM

Kit Fister: While I agree with this in theory, it's not fantastical to do what has worked elsewhere: improve the neighborhood, have neighbors willing to watch out for each other, and people in general willing to take responsibility. Even if it's a few blocks.


Well, I moved from one of the nicer areas of town, so crime wasn't an issue in my neighborhood. But we're talking about Houston, so it's not like you're going to clean up the city without massive loss of life statistics.

But, I suppose you're right. Given detroit at this point, i'd say the only way to do it would be to barricade off your area and go totally post-apocolypse survivalist on it, and I doubt the measures needed to stop the flood would be palletable by some.

Actually, just have the DPD send every State a list of current residents, then just shun the whole city. If those worms try to spread their slime, the States will have them on a list, and know to keep an eye on them.
 
2012-10-07 08:56:41 PM

Amos Quito: atomicmask: So you missed my point completely. It's not a "Black thing", it's a class thing.

It is not a "class" thing...or else we would be issuing travel warnings for part of rural kentucky... Notice that the places that are considered most dangerous are cities containing large portions of minorities who have specific cultures? That culture is ignorance, celebrated in rap, celebrated in the media, celebrated and cherished in black dominated neighborhoods. When said places label black men who want to get an education and make something of themselves "uncle toms" that should speak loads about the mentality of this culture..What in white culture equals that? Larry the cable guy?


Indeed.

Also, crime and criminality have become accepted - even celebrated in black culture. Look at the role models (aside from sports stars) that are embraced.

The roots of this go back to Lyndon Johnson, the "Great Society" and the trap of entitlement programs that followed.

Cultural poison.

 
2012-10-07 09:56:53 PM
What about all the other ethnics that are gang oriented?
Many different countries have violent gangs, and they seem to gather here and thrive, while the areas they live in burn down...
It isn't just a black thing, it is a gang thing.
 
2012-10-07 10:13:37 PM
simplicimus: Beware, you will be sniffed vigorously, and possibly licked.

If you're going to cop lines from my eharmony profile, you could at least give me credit.
 
2012-10-07 10:39:07 PM

ThrobblefootSpectre: Great, the first U.S. government travel advisory for someplace inside the U.S. Something tells me this won't be the last one.


There are plenty out west for asbestos contamination, mostly from natural rock outcrops in areas.
 
2012-10-07 10:41:16 PM
"Detroit is America's most violent city, its homicide rate is the highest in the country and yet the Detroit Police Department is grossly understaffed," Iorio told WWJ's Kathryn Larson



Meanwhile, back on Earth... According to the FBI themselves, circa 2008, Detroit actually came in at fourth place on the Top Ten Murder Capitols:

New Orleans, Louisiana
Population: 220,614
Murders: 209
Your odds: 1 in 1055

Gary, Indiana
Population: 97,048
Murders: 71
Your odds: 1 in 1366

Baltimore, Maryland
Population: 624, 237
Murders: 282
Your odds: 1 in 2214

Detroit, Michigan
Population: 860,971
Murders: 383
Your odds: 1 in 2248

Is Detroit dangerous? Yes indeed! Fourth place on that list is nothing to be proud about. But is it #1? No, no it is not, and it hasn't been #1 for a long, long time now. Yet people keep saying that it is. Namely, people with absolutely no clue about what their talking about and just parrot false information off their internet as if it were fact. They seem to be everywhere, especially FARK.

So remember this the next time you frat-heads go to Mardis Gras: You are entering a city that is literally twice as dangerous as Detroit. And getting drunk, high, and acting in a manner that will make the locals want to kill you in a city with lots of alligator filled swamps nearby that are great for getting rid of bodies.

But wait, it gets better! Want to bring your sister, wife or girlfriend along? Because in that same year, in the Top Ten Cities for Rape, Detroit didn't even make the list:

Minneapolis, Minnesota
Population: 371,240
Rapes: 452
Your odds: 1 in 822

Rockford, Illinois
Population: 155,713
Rapes: 107
Your odds: 1 in 915

Birmingham, Alabama
Population: 227, 686
Rapes: 229
Your odds: 1 in 995

Des Moines, Iowa
Population: 192,948
Rapes: 185
Your odds: 1 in 1042

Oakland, California
Population: 396,541
Rapes: 277
Your odds: 1 in 1052

Colorado Springs, Colorado
Population: 374,112
Rapes: 286
Your odds: 1 in 1069

Anchorage, Alaska
Population: 284,142
Rapes: 257
Your odds: 1 in 1106

Indianapolis, Indiana
Population: 797,268
Rapes: 505
Your odds: 1 in 1578

Gary, Indiana
Population: 97,048
Rapes: 57
Your odds: 1 in 1918

So where does Detroit stand on this chart? Well, if you jump off the Top Ten list and run towards the bottom...

St.Petersburg, Florida
Population: 248,069
Rapes: 103
Your odds: 1 in 2409

Detroit, Michigan
Population: 860,971
Rapes: 344
Your odds: 1 in 2502

Think about that for a minute. A vagina is in more danger living in St.Petersburg than in Detroit. It is in twice as much danger living in Colorado Springs. It is in three times as much danger living in Minneapolis. Such nice town, clean, wholesome cities, aren't they?

And the next time your car insurance starts making excuses for their premiums because of Detroit's high car theft rate, show them the Top Ten Car Theft list from 2009:

#1) Modesto, California
#2) Laredo, Texas
#3) Yakima, Washington
#4) San Diego, California
#5) Bakersfield, California
#6) Stockton, California
#7) Las Vegas, Nevada
#8) Alburquerque, New Mexico
#9) San Franscisco, California
#10) Fresno, California

And so on and so forth...

Seriously people, stop rehashing hyperbole and parroting all the other people who've never set foot in the city either. It just makes you look stupid, especially when oh yeah there are actual government website (like the FBI themselves) who can quickly & easily provide you with the actual truth. Now I know the actual truth isn't as fun and doesn't win the approval of all your stormfront buddies, but it does keep the world from thinking that you're a retard who can't even be bothered to click a couple link worth of fact checking effort.
 
2012-10-07 10:49:35 PM

PallMall: I just posted Crime Stats for the top 25 most populous cities.

See them here.

I downloaded the FBI Uniform Crime Report for 2011 (latest available, still preliminary, so some data is missing).

You can quickly see that Detroit has a violent crime rate out of this world. As does DC, Baltimore and Memphis (per 1000 citizens)


I looked also, and what does the top 5 cities have in common with exception of Saginaw, MI?

E. St Louis - 1.23% White, 97.74% Black or African-American, 0.19% Native American, 0.08% Asian-American, 0.03% Pacific Islander, 0.19% from other races
Chester, PA - 18.94% White, 75.70% African American, 0.20% Native American, 0.61% Asian, 0.01% Pacific Islander, 3.03% from other races, and 1.51% from two or more races
West Memphis, AR - 42.16% White, 55.93% Black or African American, 0.21% Native American, 0.53% Asian, 0.02% Pacific Islander, 0.51% from other races, and 0.64% from two or more races
Saginaw, MI - 47.02% White, 43.26% African American, 0.49% Native American, 0.33% Asian, 0.02% Pacific Islander, 5.86% from other races, and 3.03% from two or more races
Camden, NJ - 17.59% (13,602) White, 48.07% (37,180) African American, 0.76% (588) Native American, 2.12% (1,637) Asian, 0.06% (48) Pacific Islander, 27.57% (21,323) from other races, and 3.83% (2,966) from two or more races


And yet people will call me racist because I point out the FACTS

 
2012-10-07 11:11:47 PM

vegasj:

And yet people will call me racist because I point out the FACTS


Eventually the Feds will put have to put a damper on free speech. These "facts" don't fit the narrative and make our elites uncomfortable and endanger the state. Are these racial crime statistics ever mentioned ANYWHERE?

They keep talking about better teachers, head start, etc. Now Obama signed a bill mandating racial school discipline quotas (17.3 percent of black students were suspended in 2009-10, whereas 4.7 percent of whites and 7.3 percent of Latinos were). Romney would have signed it too. So either many more white kids will have to be suspended or black kids that act poorly will remain in school. How are white parents going to feel when their child is suspended for talking in class but JaVaDonus gets to bring his gun to shcool and show it off?
 
2012-10-07 11:27:16 PM

Vectron: Eventually the Feds will put have to put a damper on free speech. These "facts" don't fit the narrative and make our elites uncomfortable and endanger the state. Are these racial crime statistics ever mentioned ANYWHERE?


I agree with this.

If you go to the FBI website where I got the Uniform Crime Report, you'll also find a link that is a "Caution Against Ranking" which basically says not to use the information to rank crime, because there are so many variables that go in to it, it's unreliable.

Unfortunately for them, I own a website which does nothing but handle crime stats (which is why it took me all of 10 minutes to create a report from the FBI Report - including uploading it to another URL, creating a database, and writing scripts to publish the information). I won't share the URL here because it's Fark, but it goes beyond your "normal" crime site in that it includes offender race (except a lot of jurisdictions report Hispanics as White in some initial records) as one of the components. It also tells you were the criminals live vs where the crimes take place. This isn't the norm, as the information isn't as readily available.

There will always be anomalies and reporting errors, but some facts cannot be changed. The FBI quotes "variables" such as population density in those areas, but that information is also available and can be tied in to the stats to make a more accurate overview of crime mapping and "odds" of criminal behavior.

While I'm not trying to make this a racial issue at all, but rather be completely impartial - letting the data speak for itself... it's common knowledge that certain areas contain a higher criminal element. Eventually (once I've gathered a few years of data) I should be able to predict both the likelihood of crime in a given area and the general location of the offender - all through statistical analysis and trend monitoring.

Haters gonna hate!
 
2012-10-07 11:31:00 PM

Kaiku: I like how Fark liberals are more upset about some racist comments at the end of the article than the reality that black Detroit has indeed become an utter shiathole. Keep on keeping on though. You can only ignore reality for so long.


There are actually some good neighborhoods in Detroit, like Palmer Woods and English Village for example. Progress has been made in the Midtown and Downtown areas as well.

Detroit by and large is a hole, but there are nonetheless people there trying to get the place back up to speed. And many are black
 
2012-10-08 12:30:59 AM

NephilimNexus: "Detroit is America's most violent city, its homicide rate is the highest in the country and yet the Detroit Police Department is grossly understaffed," Iorio told WWJ's Kathryn Larson



Meanwhile, back on Earth... According to the FBI themselves, circa 2008, Detroit actually came in at fourth place on the Top Ten Murder Capitols:

New Orleans, Louisiana
Population: 220,614
Murders: 209
Your odds: 1 in 1055
......


There is A LOT of truth to what you're saying regarding the statistics. But I work the road in South Eastern Michigan, and the FBI statistics are compiled using known reports from 911 calls that are checked out, and then reported to the FBI. There are a TON of crimes, especially in Detroit, that just aren't reported, especially rapes. The people just don't trust the cops there (for good reasons) and so a lot of crime just goes unreported. And Detroit's own methods are tracking crime in their own city is beyond flawed an corrupt.

Is all of Detroit like Mogadishu?
Nope. Not at all.

But don't get too lost in the statistics. It's really hard to tell given that so little of what happens actually makes the reports. I have buddies who work DPD and Wayne County Sheriff and I'm telling you from my own anecdotal perspective, the statistics do not tell the full story. There are places in Detroit I would feel totally comfortable taking a girl on a date. There are other places I wouldn't go without a rifle and buddies with rifles. Most of it is somewhere in between. As far as the other cities, I can't speak to that. But Detroit is no joke. It's not the same as working any other city, even places like Flint. Driving a cop car in Detroit almost feels like driving a HMMWV in Mosul. You can feel the eyes on you.
 
2012-10-08 12:32:40 AM
I can also say that working with DPD is a lot like working with the Iraqi Police. You want to be able to trust them, but you have to double check everything they say or do. Too many of them are just too slimy not to.
 
2012-10-08 12:56:41 AM

Kaiku: I like how Fark liberals are more upset about some racist comments at the end of the article than the reality that black Detroit has indeed become an utter shiathole. Keep on keeping on though. You can only ignore reality for so long.


It is what they do best, afterall.
 
2012-10-08 01:38:30 AM

Vectron: Urban dictionary says:

nig-nog This phrase has absolutely _no_ racial dimension, despite appearances. It is a Northern British (e.g. Yorkshire) term referring to a silly person. It does not derive from ni**er and should not be considered racist at all.

But I recall English people referring to blacks as Nig-Nogs. First time I had ever heard it.

~
~
An ignorant Left Wing Soft Cock might consider it to be racist.

Better play it safe and assume it is racist.

Therefore it is racist!

Try saying n*1gger-in-the-woodpile in a public forum.

[not having a go at you, Vectron, just the moron professional offence-takers of this world]
 
2012-10-08 02:09:53 AM

Fish_Fight!: Kaiku: I like how Fark liberals are more upset about some racist comments at the end of the article than the reality that black Detroit has indeed become an utter shiathole. Keep on keeping on though. You can only ignore reality for so long.

It is what they do best, afterall.


Well, you can choose to ignore reality, but you can never choose to ignore the consequences of ignoring reality.
 
2012-10-08 02:16:33 AM

pacmanner: Gonna go see Robocop tonight at the Alamo. Part of the Tough Guy cinema series. They're gonna have live explosions in the theater. Can't freakin wait.


i50.tinypic.com
 
2012-10-08 02:51:06 AM

kendelrio: FTFA: "These are the men and women who we look to protect us... and police officers can't protect you if they're not there. "

Waitaminnit.... Didn't the Supreme Court determine the job of the police wasn't to protect you, but to investigate and prosecute crimes?

Oh yeah, they did.


What you can successfully sue the police department for, and what citizens should demand of their police department through the political process, are not the same thing. The link you cite says that the decision to dismiss the lawsuit was "despite the demonstrable abuse and ineptitude on the part of the police", not because they were asked to do something that's not their job.
 
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