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(The New York Times)   California requires their own special seasonal blends of gas that aren't the same as what the rest of the country uses, then complains about how high their gas prices are. Oh, and it doesn't help when the local refineries crap out   (nytimes.com) divider line 192
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2012-10-07 01:35:54 PM
this story gets printed twice a year.
WHY is this not the most boring REPEAT of all time???
 
vpb [TotalFark]
2012-10-07 01:58:31 PM
Lots of places have oxygenated gas during part of the year.
 
2012-10-07 02:09:19 PM
Well excuse us for breathing
 
2012-10-07 02:46:02 PM
The rest of the country is just mad they're:

1)In a drought
2)Facing hurricanes
3)Facing tornadoes
4)Detroit

I'll just drive less.

/difficulty: I live 15 minutes from my Uni campus
//2 hours from Sacramento
 
2012-10-07 02:46:32 PM
I paid $4.75 gallon for 87 octane yesterday.
 
2012-10-07 02:46:56 PM
This, along with other changes, dramatically improved the smog problem in LA.

As a kid, we had smog days at school where we weren't allowed out for PE or recess. You could see the smog hanging in the air. It was awful.

There's still a bit of smog, but it's much better today.
 
2012-10-07 02:47:29 PM
The reason that it is galling right now is that gas is up 75 cents since Monday.
 
2012-10-07 02:49:13 PM
Yep, we're paying for the ability to see more than half a mile and not breathe in carbon particles all day, and it's worth the price. (That is, it's worth the price differential relative to other states.)
 
2012-10-07 02:49:18 PM
Or we can be pragmatic and just switch to the winter blend a couple weeks sooner. I doubt that'll break the environment.
 
2012-10-07 02:49:54 PM

L.D. Ablo: This, along with other changes, dramatically improved the smog problem in LA.

As a kid, we had smog days at school where we weren't allowed out for PE or recess. You could see the smog hanging in the air. It was awful.

There's still a bit of smog, but it's much better today.


WHY DO YOU HATE AMERICA?
 
2012-10-07 02:50:37 PM

APE992: The rest of the country is just mad they're:

1)In a drought
2)Facing hurricanes
3)Facing tornadoes
4)Detroit

I'll just drive less.

/difficulty: I live 15 minutes from my Uni campus
//2 hours from Sacramento


No no, no and no.

Glad I don't live out there, nice to visit but wouldn't want to live there, prices are too high and outside if San Fran doesn't have much to offer in arts.

I would move to Europe first.
 
2012-10-07 02:50:47 PM
This just in:

California sucks.

That is all.
 
2012-10-07 02:52:31 PM
At the risk of sounding like a no-good, tree-hugging, liberal communist socialist, I can kinda see why California wants to go with electric cars. It's constant and consistent irregardless of the other energy sources used to generate it.
 
2012-10-07 02:52:38 PM
omgsmog!
img.timeinc.net
 
2012-10-07 02:52:57 PM

L.D. Ablo: This, along with other changes, dramatically improved the smog problem in LA.

As a kid, we had smog days at school where we weren't allowed out for PE or recess. You could see the smog hanging in the air. It was awful.

There's still a bit of smog, but it's much better today.


Did you ever stop to think that it may be due to factories being cleaner and nothing to do with car emissions? I know what has been preached to you for over two decades but they could be wrong.
 
2012-10-07 02:54:26 PM

Pray 4 Mojo: This just in:

California sucks.

That is all.


Living in SoCal.

All I can say is:

This is news?

Our governor is nicknamed Moonbeam. The idiots in this state re elected him after he screwed things up in the 70's.
Looking to move out of here as soon as it is practical.
 
2012-10-07 02:54:36 PM
Surprisingly, when you have the 9th largest economy in the world, you can affect production and distribution.
 
2012-10-07 02:56:01 PM

steamingpile: L.D. Ablo: This, along with other changes, dramatically improved the smog problem in LA.

As a kid, we had smog days at school where we weren't allowed out for PE or recess. You could see the smog hanging in the air. It was awful.

There's still a bit of smog, but it's much better today.

Did you ever stop to think that it may be due to factories being cleaner and nothing to do with car emissions? I know what has been preached to you for over two decades but they could be wrong.


Stop thinking and start citing.
 
2012-10-07 02:56:45 PM
Also, for the most part, the Californians complaining about gas prices are not the same ones who demand gas blends that help control smog. Rather, the gas price complainers are more likely to be the ones saying "Smog schmog, I want my cheap gas!" Or put another way, Orange County.
 
2012-10-07 02:58:13 PM
As a reminder to all Californians considering a move to the north: Oregon is terrible and rains all the time.
 
2012-10-07 02:58:31 PM
Why can't we simply have one formula across the country and standardize on it? Get the EPA to approve a formula of blah and leave it at that. This kind of thing is entirely the kind of self wrought insanity that needs to end.
 
2012-10-07 03:00:57 PM
Oh, and it doesn't help when the local refineries crap out

... purely coincidentally just before the election.
 
2012-10-07 03:01:30 PM

steamingpile: L.D. Ablo: This, along with other changes, dramatically improved the smog problem in LA.

As a kid, we had smog days at school where we weren't allowed out for PE or recess. You could see the smog hanging in the air. It was awful.

There's still a bit of smog, but it's much better today.

Did you ever stop to think that it may be due to factories being cleaner and nothing to do with car emissions? I know what has been preached to you for over two decades but they could be wrong.


Even if it did have something to do with car emissions (debatable), the smog reduction would have to be attributed to stricter emissions testing, and not gasoline regulations. I struggle every two years to pass, because my car is so old, it was never designed to meet the ridiculous smog figures CA demands.
 
2012-10-07 03:02:55 PM
All Obama's fault.
 
2012-10-07 03:05:19 PM
The price increases(beatings) will continue until morale(your crappy Partisan Attitude) improves.

/just a l'il message sent out to you drivers w/ opinions in CA
 
2012-10-07 03:05:38 PM

detroitdoesntsuckthatbad: As a reminder to all Californians considering a move to the north: Oregon is terrible and rains all the time.


too late, moved to Astoria 8 weeks ago.

/Dryest summer on record.
 
2012-10-07 03:05:54 PM
Just another reason to get one of these...

imageshack.us
 
2012-10-07 03:06:44 PM

onyxruby: Why can't we simply have one formula across the country and standardize on it? Get the EPA to approve a formula of blah and leave it at that. This kind of thing is entirely the kind of self wrought insanity that needs to end.


Cause down here in the South, we ain't lettin a bunch of West Coast Lieberals dictate how we can or can't polute our air.

/Freedom!
 
2012-10-07 03:06:49 PM

Minimum: Pray 4 Mojo: This just in:

California sucks.

That is all.

Living in SoCal.

All I can say is:

This is news?

Our governor is nicknamed Moonbeam. The idiots in this state re elected him after he screwed things up in the 70's.
Looking to move out of here as soon as it is practical.


I dunno if it's news... I just like saying it.

/California sucks.
 
2012-10-07 03:08:39 PM
It doesn't help that there hasn't been a new refinery built in the us in at least 30 years; and there's a lot more demand for gas. Not only that; but many refineries have been closed for one reason or another.

This is what happens when oil companies yield to the will of the EPA. They see that the price of oil will go up as a consequence of the refinery closing.

Oil is at $89 per barrel; that's less than $2 a gallon. Add in taxes; processing and shipping and a gallon of gas costs anywhere from $2.50 - $2.90 to produce. In some cases; we pay $5 a gallon. Some of that is oil futures; but what is the rest? Pure profit.

/ I know there are other factors; but, most of the remainer is profiteering
 
2012-10-07 03:08:59 PM
an it also doesn't help that it's an election year, and republicans own alot of the oil companies.
 
2012-10-07 03:09:24 PM

onyxruby: Why can't we simply have one formula across the country and standardize on it? Get the EPA to approve a formula of blah and leave it at that. This kind of thing is entirely the kind of self wrought insanity that needs to end.


People in flyover country don't need the expensive blends that urban areas need because of the amount of vehicle traffic.
 
2012-10-07 03:09:51 PM
Start burning treehuggers at the stake. Problem solved.
 
2012-10-07 03:11:02 PM
But unemployment went down so we're good right?
 
2012-10-07 03:12:04 PM

Minimum: The idiots in this state re elected him after he screwed things up kept Prop 13 from totally screwing things up in the 70's.


What exactly did Jerry Brown screw up in the 70's, anyway?
 
2012-10-07 03:12:22 PM

GodsTumor: Just another reason to get one of these...

[imageshack.us image 276x183]


Yes it is.
Big Coal loves you long time.

/ownership is much less sociopathic
 
2012-10-07 03:12:37 PM

iheartscotch: It doesn't help that there hasn't been a new refinery built in the us in at least 30 years; and there's a lot more demand for gas. Not only that; but many refineries have been closed for one reason or another.


Capacity is just fine. The problem is the industry has consolidated and exanded (think Mom and Pop to Wal Mart) which means when there is a problem, it affects a much bigger chunk than it used to.

energyanswered.org
 
2012-10-07 03:12:43 PM

steamingpile: Did you ever stop to think that it may be due to factories being cleaner and nothing to do with car emissions? I know what has been preached to you for over two decades but they could be wrong.


Stop huffing expensive gasoline, dude, you'll make more farking sense.
 
2012-10-07 03:12:53 PM

redlegrick: At the risk of sounding like a no-good, tree-hugging, liberal communist socialist, I can kinda see why California wants to go with electric cars. It's constant and consistent irregardless of the other energy sources used to generate it.


Except for when they hit rollIng brown and black outs. Just wait until the price of electricity jumps up as usage goes up. Like any other fuel, it's price can change.
 
2012-10-07 03:12:54 PM

steamingpile: APE992: The rest of the country is just mad they're:

1)In a drought
2)Facing hurricanes
3)Facing tornadoes
4)Detroit

I'll just drive less.

/difficulty: I live 15 minutes from my Uni campus
//2 hours from Sacramento

No no, no and no.

Glad I don't live out there, nice to visit but wouldn't want to live there, prices are too high and outside if San Fran doesn't have much to offer in arts.

I would move to Europe first.


Denial.
 
2012-10-07 03:13:46 PM

wantingout: an it also doesn't help that it's an election year, and republicans own alot of the oil companies.


Are you saying they need a quick cash infusion to pay for their fantasy?
That's tin foil talk.
 
2012-10-07 03:14:09 PM

stiletto_the_wise: I struggle every two years to pass, because my car is so old


Minnesota dropped its emmission testing some years ago because the fails were almost entirely by the poor and their badly tuned shiat-piles.

Before ending the program, a waiver system was developed to help these folks, until nearly all the results were either a pass or a waiver, so what's the farking point? 

Most of the old testing stations were sold off and turned into quick-lube joints.
 
2012-10-07 03:14:38 PM

Minimum: Pray 4 Mojo: This just in:

California sucks.

That is all.

Living in SoCal.

All I can say is:

This is news?

Our governor is nicknamed Moonbeam. The idiots in this state re elected him after he screwed things up in the 70's.
Looking to move out of here as soon as it is practical.


Yeah, well our (FL) Gov. was involved and profited in largest health care fraud case in US history and the rednecks here elected him anyway.
Plus we don't have medical weed to forget how farked up things our here!
 
2012-10-07 03:14:59 PM
I'm trying to separate my income from location so I can take the advice of Tom Waits, which is to spend some time in New York, but leave before it makes you hard, and some time in LA, but leave before it makes you soft.
 
2012-10-07 03:15:25 PM

stiletto_the_wise: steamingpile: L.D. Ablo: This, along with other changes, dramatically improved the smog problem in LA.

As a kid, we had smog days at school where we weren't allowed out for PE or recess. You could see the smog hanging in the air. It was awful.

There's still a bit of smog, but it's much better today.

Did you ever stop to think that it may be due to factories being cleaner and nothing to do with car emissions? I know what has been preached to you for over two decades but they could be wrong.

Even if it did have something to do with car emissions (debatable), the smog reduction would have to be attributed to stricter emissions testing, and not gasoline regulations. I struggle every two years to pass, because my car is so old, it was never designed to meet the ridiculous smog figures CA demands.


They run in parallel. Smog comes from unburned hydrocarbons coming from older cars and higher volatility gasoline that has to be avoided in warm weather. Oxidized gasoline also reduces unburned HC. California's blends are some of the most aggressive because of the issues peculiar to their region.
 
2012-10-07 03:16:31 PM

steamingpile: L.D. Ablo: This, along with other changes, dramatically improved the smog problem in LA.

As a kid, we had smog days at school where we weren't allowed out for PE or recess. You could see the smog hanging in the air. It was awful.

There's still a bit of smog, but it's much better today.

Did you ever stop to think that it may be due to factories being cleaner and nothing to do with car emissions? I know what has been preached to you for over two decades but they could be wrong.


OR(Get this...), it could be BOTH! Yep, car emission requirements sure could have contributed to less smog along with cleaner factories. I know it doesn't fit anybody's Farkgenda™ to have both answers be right, but I can guarantee you that while cleaner factories have helped contribute to less smog, there is no way that you can convince me that having cars burn less fuel, thereby putting less pollutants in the atmosphere isn't helping as well.
 
2012-10-07 03:17:19 PM
Yes, it sucks. Everyone please move somewhere else. I keep hearing lots of jobs in Ohio.
 
2012-10-07 03:17:20 PM
Given that the vast majority of cars on the road are fuel injected (nearly all are port injected no less) with all the requisite computer control over fueling, why do we need oxygenated fuel at all?

Any car with an oxygen sensor whose feedback is used to control the fueling process adjusts for oxygen density differences continuously. The only thing that oxygenated fuel does for fuel injected cars is cause the computer to increase injector duty cycle (more fuel) to compensate. Some cars have the added benefit of losing top end power because of injectors that are near the edge of their limits with non-oxygenated fuel and simply can't flow more fuel to make up for the extra oxygen.

Maybe someone else can explain how oxygenated fuel makes any emissions difference in any computer controlled fuel system that uses O2 sensor(s) for feedback (probably ~80+% of the cars on the road today).
 
2012-10-07 03:17:29 PM

Mithiwithi: Minimum: The idiots in this state re elected him after he screwed things up kept Prop 13 from totally screwing things up in the 70's.

What exactly did Jerry Brown screw up in the 70's, anyway?


Linda Rondstat
 
2012-10-07 03:17:42 PM
Really, peeps.
Last week saw the greatest orgy of campaign cashification in history.
Untill next time, which, BTW starts in a month.

Since the Bankers hid all of theirs, where do you think it comes from?
 
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