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2012-10-07 10:09:34 PM
I've got the Monday regret happening right now, after a very unproductive weekend. I'm thinking I need to dial it back a bit this week. Don't want to go back to the bad old days...
 
2012-10-07 10:34:21 PM
I was a lifestyle, wake-and-bake stoner for 5 years. I quit cold turkey. I did not suffer withdrawals. That is all.
 
2012-10-07 11:01:26 PM
No, it's not.
 
2012-10-07 11:31:40 PM
I dated this white chick for about 2 years, this honky woke up and jogged 3 miles a day everyday. If the weather was bad she hit the electric treadmill. It was the winter of 99 we had a horrible blizzard and nobody could go anywhere or do anything for weeks, on the 9th day our power went out so no more treadmill, by day 12 she had literally began pulling chunks of her hair and scalp out. Day 15 she had slipped in and out of alternate reality. On day 17 she took a gas chainsaw from the garage and cut her legs off. She survived but will never be the same, she isn't half the woman she used to be. Addiction is a biatch...
 
2012-10-07 11:40:37 PM
I quit pot cold turkey with no problems whatsoever after smoking every day for nearly a decade. So the headline is bullshiat. That is all.
 
2012-10-07 11:46:52 PM
"As a nurse, I saw so many patients shaking and vomiting during marijuana detox."

Bullshiat. As a nurse you should be better aware what substances are physically addictive and which are not.

Pot falls under the "not" category. I have quit smoking cigarettes after 38 years, one of the hardest things I have ever done.

I have quit smoking pot plenty of times when I was sick, because t was too hard on the lungs while I was sick, even though I have been smoking since I was 13 (I'm 50 now). However, I STILL SMOKED CIGARETTES because I was physically addicted and I couldn't quit. Hacking like hell and almost coughing up a lung, and I still smoked cigarettes while sick.

I'm amazed someone who claims to be a professional can spread such FUD.
 
2012-10-08 12:05:27 AM
I call BS on this one. I quit pot and X cold turkey. Cigarettes? Those, I can't seem to quit, with or without aid.
 
2012-10-08 12:10:43 AM

logistic: I agree. As a nurse, I saw so many patients shaking and vomiting during marijuana detox. Alcohol detox literally killed patients, but not nearly as many as marijuana detox. Once I saw a marijuana addict vomit his own large intestine out from withdrawal.

Such a shame.


Hogwash, dogwash, frogwash and so on.

Withdrawal from marijuana causes some agitation and nervousness in extremely heavy chronic users, but the symptoms are very mild compared with nicotine withdrawal, which is one of the most painful and protracted drug withdrawal therapies known to exist.

I speak from experience, having been there and done that. Farkers ought to also bear in mind, small amounts of hemp at regular intervals knock the edge off nicotine cravings to the point where the patient can ALMOST stand them.

You call yourself a nurse, you ought to lose your licens for spreading lies like that. Go round the back to the nearest dumpster and scavenge yourself some professional integriy.
 
2012-10-08 12:13:58 AM

olddinosaur: logistic: I agree. As a nurse, I saw so many patients shaking and vomiting during marijuana detox. Alcohol detox literally killed patients, but not nearly as many as marijuana detox. Once I saw a marijuana addict vomit his own large intestine out from withdrawal.

Such a shame.

Hogwash, dogwash, frogwash and so on.

Withdrawal from marijuana causes some agitation and nervousness in extremely heavy chronic users, but the symptoms are very mild compared with nicotine withdrawal, which is one of the most painful and protracted drug withdrawal therapies known to exist.

I speak from experience, having been there and done that. Farkers ought to also bear in mind, small amounts of hemp at regular intervals knock the edge off nicotine cravings to the point where the patient can ALMOST stand them.

You call yourself a nurse, you ought to lose your licens for spreading lies like that. Go round the back to the nearest dumpster and scavenge yourself some professional integriy.


olddinosaur: logistic: I agree. As a nurse, I saw so many patients shaking and vomiting during marijuana detox. Alcohol detox literally killed patients, but not nearly as many as marijuana detox. Once I saw a marijuana addict vomit his own large intestine out from withdrawal.

Such a shame.

Hogwash, dogwash, frogwash and so on.

Withdrawal from marijuana causes some agitation and nervousness in extremely heavy chronic users, but the symptoms are very mild compared with nicotine withdrawal, which is one of the most painful and protracted drug withdrawal therapies known to exist.

I speak from experience, having been there and done that. Farkers ought to also bear in mind, small amounts of hemp at regular intervals knock the edge off nicotine cravings to the point where the patient can ALMOST stand them.

You call yourself a nurse, you ought to lose your licens for spreading lies like that. Go round the back to the nearest dumpster and scavenge yourself some professional integriy.


Olddinosaur did not see what was done there.
 
2012-10-08 12:18:51 AM

N9NJA: I call BS on this one. I quit pot and X cold turkey. Cigarettes? Those, I can't seem to quit, with or without aid.


Take up jogging or bicycle riding, pick a date and quit cold. Be prepared for some MOTRHERSTICKING bad symptoms, but just grit your teeth and stay in there, no one said this would be easy.

Stay away from places like bars where people smoke, excercise heavily and eat lots of snacks, don't sweat the weight gain. Try to make it just 24 hours, keep track of your hours and your days.

Once you make 24 hours, try for 48 and so on. An if you fall "off the wagon," get right back up there. No one said this would be easy.

Small amounts of hemp at regular intervals seem to help. By "small amounts" I mean 250--500 mg every 2--4, hours, NOT all you can smoke all day long.

6474 days without a cigarette, been there and done that.

Good luck.
 
2012-10-08 12:35:18 AM
Only quitters give up tobacco, weed, and/or alcohol.
 
2012-10-08 12:52:25 AM

snocone: So, Fark qualifies as addictive.
Step away from the computer for your own good.


WHY CAN'T I QUIT YOU?

/I'm going to bed now. Really.
 
2012-10-08 01:12:23 AM
I used to be a stoner from the ages of 15-20. What got me to quit was a couple of bad acid trips. Every time I smoked after that would trigger flashbacks. It doesn't anymore, but I've only smoked that stuff maybe around 8 times in the past 23 years.
 
2012-10-08 01:29:52 AM

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And I never had to waste time waiting around for some shiatty fleabag dealer to get his shiat together ever again. Legalize it and maybe I'd have a bit occasionally, but never -ever- will I put up with some fecking moran dealers bullshiat.


Uh, grow your own? It's easier than maintaining a decent fish tank or brewing beer, has some interesting horticulture lesson for indoor plant cultivation, and is fun hobby.
 
2012-10-08 01:33:56 AM
I stole my brother Ben & Jerry's from the fridge while on pot. It a horrible drug that makes you do ... um ... what was I saying?
 
2012-10-08 01:41:50 AM

Marcus Aurelius: GAT_00: PainInTheASP: You'll feel a little anxious when you're down to just stems and seeds and there's nothing to do on that rainy Saturday afternoon, but fight the urge to make that phone call. Pick up a book instead. Lather, rinse and repeat for about 48 hours and guess what? You're past the worst part.

You do realize that's addiction, right? And that isn't even addressing the psychological, but not physical, addition of needing it to calm down and relax.

I have been addicted to tobacco, opiates, and alcohol at various points in my life. From those experiences, I can assure you that pot is no more addictive than good ice cream.


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I'm lucky in that I seem to not get particularly addicted to nicotine physically. But opiates will f yr shiat up, that is some real physical withdrawal, shaking and cold sweats for days. Not an uppers fan, so can't speak to that. But weed? STFU and GTFO. Maybe some rare case that someone has a real problem, but, shiat, I can't take that seriously...
 
2012-10-08 01:44:18 AM
Never smoked much weed, but used to be a 1 to 2 pack a day smoker. Loved me some Lucky's. The hardest part about quitting was not the chemical addiction but the habitual addiction. What I found was that it is by far easier to quit when you do it for yourself because you truly want to quit, not from outside pressures.
In the other hand, masturbation is the hardest thing to quit, both as a physical and habitual addiction. I wonder if they'll ever find a cure....
 
2012-10-08 01:50:55 AM

eurotrader: Krymson Tyde: I used to smoke cigarettes; quitting was one of the hardest things I've ever done.
I used to smoke a lot of marijuana (2-3 oz/week) then I took a job where random drug tests were a possibility; I stopped smoking with no side effects.

Cheap ditch weed 2-3 oz a week or over sharing? I have met a few people that smoke a lot of weed and if that was decent quality you would have interesting body chemistry or you never left the sofa except for snacks


Yeah really...

An ounce lasts hubby and i about a month and i consider us fairly heavy tokers (no joints, lung that stuff up, stretches it further)
 
2012-10-08 02:00:31 AM

89 Stick-Up Kid: No one finds it suspect that this article comes out just before we vote to legalize it?


What have you got against an informed electorate, comrade?
 
2012-10-08 02:03:04 AM

ParagonComplex: An article comparing weed "addiction" to nicotine and alcohol is misleading to the point of being evil and insidiou, and anyone that tries to say otherwise are equally evil and insidicous. Should be ashamed of yourselves for misleading the simple-minded and uneducated.


Or you could read the article. Your choice.
 
2012-10-08 03:17:10 AM

grinnel: Never smoked much weed, but used to be a 1 to 2 pack a day smoker. Loved me some Lucky's. The hardest part about quitting was not the chemical addiction but the habitual addiction. What I found was that it is by far easier to quit when you do it for yourself because you truly want to quit, not from outside pressures.
In the other hand, masturbation is the hardest thing to quit, both as a physical and habitual addiction. I wonder if they'll ever find a cure....


You'll know they have then they greet you with "Welcome to the monkey house."
 
2012-10-08 04:30:51 AM
i didn't quit. i just ran out.

/"marijuana withdrawal." LMAO you pussy
 
2012-10-08 05:07:04 AM

danfrank: I've never smoked cigarettes, so I can't speak to what it is like to quit that, but if it is no different than quitting weed


ignorant twat
 
2012-10-08 05:46:42 AM

Dinjiin: I have friends and family who are/were heavy pot smokers. Most would smoke in order to chill out and relax when they were stressed. They were perpetually self-medicated in order to cope with life.

The problem is that they tend to become highly agitated and moody when they are stressed and they can't smoke. They've lost the ability to cope with stress without being medicated. So while pot may not be physically addictive, it sure as hell seems to be mentally addictive.

That is a hard habit to break. It doesn't help that people don't want to be around your grumpy ass when you're trying to kick the habit, so you don't have a lot of support from others.


That's what I call unhappy brain chemistry.
I'm not sure if there's anything at all besides SSRIs that can mimic the brain chem altering mj can accomplish.

Legality will be good.
 
2012-10-08 05:49:30 AM

Shmeat: ...smoking pot turkey?


Happy Thanksgiving.
 
2012-10-08 06:31:12 AM
I'm late to the game, having tried pot for the first time at age 35. Also a regular beer drinker since my early 20s. There is no comparison. Love the state of being on weed, and yet I feel absolutely no pain later in the evening or the next day. I woke up as if not imbibing in a substance at all, ready to be active like I normally am.

Anymore, if I've had 4 or 5 beers, I'm going to pay for it at least in the morning if not more...all for that rush of euphoria that lasts, what? An hour at most? The buzz from it has diminished greatly now (almost 40) compared to my early '20s, the pain starts in the evening and the hangovers are worse than they used to be with less substance consumed.

I've only tried weed about 8 times socially with lengthy intervals between (usually for months), have never had some sort of craving for it. My friends who do it all have jobs and regular lives (except for one of them who is self-employed, but manages to eek out a living), don't seem to have lost their abilities to be sharp, and have been smoking it for decades.

I grew up naive and believed everything they told me in school, basically. Now I understand they were lying to me about marijuana. Drinking is far worse for you and accomplishes less in terms of having an altered state of mind (although I still enjoy two or three beers at a setting). The time has come to legalize cannabis.
 
2012-10-08 06:46:00 AM

b0rscht: there are downsides that are rather slippery and difficult to pin down.


That's because they're imaginary. Downsides to heroin addiction: whoredom and possibly death. Downsides to alcohol addiction: assholery and possible death. Downsides to weed addiction: it's mildly annoying when you run out.

Not even close.
 
2012-10-08 07:16:58 AM
"I was on coke and heroin, and I'm not a doctor, and weed is less addictive than any other drug, and it has no severe consequences, and it's psychologically and not physically addictive, and maybe you can just cut back instead of quitting, BUT POT IS STILL BAD MMMKAY JUST TRUST ME ON THIS YOU LITTLE MONKEYS."
 
2012-10-08 07:41:18 AM
My experience was that after smoking heavily every day for about a year, I had headaches and was irritable for a few days without it. You will have similar effects with coffee. I never drank every day for longer than a week, and other stuff is recreational i.e. sporadic. So I can't comment on anything else.
 
2012-10-08 08:13:49 AM

Krymson Tyde: Smoking was evenings and weekends. All evening and all weekend.
If I was at home I was vegetating.


And people wonder why we keep it illegal!
 
2012-10-08 08:47:22 AM
There's a reason why it's illegal, folks. Trust your government.
 
2012-10-08 09:43:03 AM
FTFA:

" Like all heavy drug users, stoners get high for a reason: To get your drug use under control, you need to find other ways of solving the problems you currently medicate with pot. Since one of the most common reasons that people get high is to change negative mood states, you need to find out the roots of that problem."

This article is a lot more legitimate than people are stating. Nobody's an addict when they're having a good time.
 
2012-10-08 09:44:31 AM
BS!!!!
 
2012-10-08 11:36:03 AM
I like to smoke pot....and then eat some cold turkey from the fridge.
 
2012-10-08 11:46:38 AM

give me doughnuts: oliass: Ibogaine is the answer. After trying everything under the sun, Myself, my wife, my mom, and my brother all quit nicotine through an ibogaine treatment. That was years ago and none of us have smoked since.

Did you put it in both cups of wine?


Nicely done!
 
2012-10-08 12:03:42 PM

bdm26: I like to smoke pot....and then eat some cold turkey from the fridge.


Cold Turkey, mmuuggghhhhmmmm
 
2012-10-08 12:06:05 PM
It is an addiction when consumption causes problems in your life and you are unable to control the consumption.

The only problem pot consumption causes is a shortage of pot.
 
2012-10-08 12:54:29 PM
I am a medical user and I have zero responsibilities other then doing exactly what I want to do, personal hygiene, a clean house, cooking good food, and making sure plants continue to produce. My roommate does everything else. I create extremely high quality. I smoke 1.5 to 2 grams each time I smoke, which is every hour to hour and a half, I only use a bong. I usually take a nap after about 5 sessions, which makes it sometime around 2-3 in the afternoon, for maybe an hour. I wake up and continue the same cycle. I have been in this position for about 3 years. I consider this an addiction to marijuana. The difficulty in breaking the cycle comes more from the fact I have been in this cycle for so long. I dont get cravings, because I know I always have it.. I do however get withdrawal effects If I choose not to use for a period of time, which I will usually just smoke to get rid of.

I know that difficulty isnt not using marijuana, its breaking the cycle and replacing it with a normal routine.
 
2012-10-08 01:07:28 PM

orbister: iaazathot:

But then cigarettes can't possibly be harmful, can they, as we all know someone who smoked 40 a day and live to 93.


Grandma smoked from age 13 through 83. Never saw her without one burning unless she was eating. so, yeah, it happens that some human beings are by chance not killed off by the negative effects of smoking as quickly as others. She died in her sleep.

BOTH of grannies husbands were not so lucky. Grandpa got the stroke/heart attack/heart disease and 2nd husband got lung cancer and both were heavy smokers, until it killed them.
 
2012-10-08 02:58:26 PM

TheSilverKey: FTFA:

" Like all heavy drug users, stoners get high for a reason: To get your drug use under control, you need to find other ways of solving the problems you currently medicate with pot. Since one of the most common reasons that people get high is to change negative mood states, you need to find out the roots of that problem."

This article is a lot more legitimate than people are stating. Nobody's an addict when they're having a good time.


I like sleeping.

I like waking without a hangover.

"Pot" is the only medicine out of 5 (sleeping pills) that I've tried that actually works, lets me dream and lets me wake refreshed and ready to go.

Sleeping pills caused three day hangovers (I don't even get hangovers from drinking!)

One caused me to pile up all the food in my kitchen and I woke standing over it naked holding a knife (my kids were in bed, thankfully)

For the most part, too, they would put me to sleep for a couple of hours but then I'd be awake and groggy all night and day.

When I had to get off some of them due to side-effects, I was dizzy, faint and jittery for days afterwards.

I can go on business trips for weeks and not want it (I would rather have it as I don't sleep, but I don't crave it).

Marijuana, for whatever reason, works wonders for me.
 
2012-10-08 02:59:52 PM

NewportBarGuy: That evil weed. Horrible stuff. If you're on the executive board of Phillip Morris USA (not international).


Interested in hosting a Newport Fark Party?? :)~
 
2012-10-08 03:30:54 PM

JRoo: Lord Dimwit: It may not be addictive physically, but I've known plenty of people who would rather smoke pot than get a job, do something active with their friends, or, you know, do anything at all.

One of my friends who's a big pothead hitched a ride with me on a six hour car ride back to where we grew up. I don't care if you smoke pot, but I have a job that requires security clearance, so I said that under no circumstances was he to bring pot in my car; I couldn't afford to get in that kind of trouble if we got pulled over for unrelated reasons. He couldn't stand to not smoke pot for six hours. He smoked up before he got in the car, and then brought pot against my wishes into my car and smoked up in a gas station's bathroom. I was furious. (This guy also got fired from several jobs because he'd smoke up before work and then doing a crappy job.)

So yeah, not addictive in the physical sense, but people can be psychologically addicted to anything.

Well maybe that guy just sucks because I smoke before work all the time and I do a pretty damn good job at most every job I've ever had.

I almost dare you to find a carpenter that doesn't smoke weed.


CSB: I had a pair of French doors installed by two guys contracted by Lowe's. They reeked of pot, absolutely reeked of it. It was so strong that for a couple hours after they left I could still smell it. Oddly enough, they did a ridiculously shoddy job. The door was basically sound but the finishing work around the frame was crap.
 
2012-10-08 04:30:17 PM
Bad article and even worse headline subby.

Only 18% of all treatment admissions in 2010 involved marijuana as the primary drug, according to the government's Treatment Episode Data Set. Just a small fraction of marijuana users ever try any drug beyond alcohol and cigarettes. But heroin, prescription opioids, cocaine and methamphetamine combined account for twice as many admissions. (The rest are mainly alcoholics.)

So the author lumped four different drugs together to come up with twice as many admissions as weed. Doing the math, there are twice as many admissions for weed than the average for heroin, prescription opioids, cocaine and methamphetamine not combined.
 
2012-10-08 05:46:10 PM
MJ use does not create a physical dependency and therefore, I have no sympathy for those without the strength of will to abstain. Furthermore, just because the author was a coke and heroin junky, seems irrelevant to the subject matter.
 
2012-10-08 06:39:22 PM
There's a lot to consider when you talk about the weeds.

It does not make you a better decision maker, but neither does it make you more prone to bad decisions. Your capabilities while under the immediate effects of the substance may be impaired; people of already low skill are unlikely to exhibit better skill but the majority of skillsets remain intact during acute impairment, and impacted performance normalizes within hours of last intake.

Many slackers and layabouts naturally gravitate towards weed thanks to cultural acceptance of their activities while impaired, and to some degree establishes a scapegoat for inactivity and lack of success. A scant handful exhibit acute addiction, but those cases also tend to have other elements in play which play a part in addiction. In effect, people will point to weed as a problem in the absence of other external causes, often because of a desire to hide internal causes for failure and to give the person seeking a life change something concrete they can change which can be easily accomplished.

Like any activity, it can be an enhancement, a detriment or no factor at all in a person's life. More pertinent to its impact on a person is their personality, their education and their motivations. I say if you must judge a person, judge them on their actions and merit, not on their choice of adulterant.
 
2012-10-08 08:29:03 PM

logistic: I agree. As a nurse, I saw so many patients shaking and vomiting during marijuana detox. Alcohol detox literally killed patients, but not nearly as many as marijuana detox. Once I saw a marijuana addict vomit his own large intestine out from withdrawal.

Such a shame.


Your story lacks any credibility. There's a word for that, but I'm blanking on it.

I once had a friend, and we smoked a marijuana cigarette, and he went crazy with the crazy eyes and killed this girl - her name was Mary Jane which is why people in that culture use that term for marijuana. And then he vomited out 7 years worth of chewed gum. Then his head literally exploded from "highness". And it was his birthday. And he was going to retire the next day.

And they say marijuana kills nobody.
 
2012-10-08 08:36:11 PM

PainInTheASP: Huh? How do you quit smoking pot? Here's a hint: PUT DOWN THE FRIGGING BONG.

You'll feel a little anxious when you're down to just stems and seeds and there's nothing to do on that rainy Saturday afternoon, but fight the urge to make that phone call. Pick up a book instead. Lather, rinse and repeat for about 48 hours and guess what? You're past the worst part.

/Friggin newbs.


It's good to have a reason. I quit tobacco, alcohol and pot all cold-turkey, but I had a reason for each.

Tobacco - smoked since early teen but quit at 17 before moving out because I knew if I didn't I'd be this 2+ pack a day smoker. Probably best decision I ever made.

Alcohol - quit for a weird reason; I started a pretty intense exercise regimen. This wasn't until I was 31 and the workout wasn't super formal - no pros involved - but I had a partner. She and I made this gentlemen promise to not drink any kind of alcohol or carbonation for 1 year. BTW this is an awesome way to lose weight!

Pot - quit before starting college (which I did late...21) as I knew from years of use the effects and realized this would be bad news for my GPA. Also a great decision as I went on to grad school, etc.

So yeah, cold turkey on any of these (except alcohol if you have that level of past use) is totally possible. I mean "set it down never pick it up again" cold turkey. But it's good to have a reason.
 
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