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(Kotaku)   Sony is suing its spokesman for playing Wii in a new ad   (kotaku.com) divider line 68
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2012-10-07 03:07:38 PM  
Counting a Wii as a real game platform is like counting a blowjob as real sex.

His defense should be "Eatin' ain't cheatin'".
 
2012-10-07 04:08:07 PM  

rocky_howard: FrAnKiE!!!!: Fine, then. I'll explain. He said it's implemented in hardware. He wasn't specifying the "wiimotes". He was saying you can only play gamecube games with gamecube cnotrollers.

Ah alright. I see. Bad choice by the big N.


Those classic controllers also don't even connect to the Wii physically, but through the Wiimote (in place of the nun-chuck attachment). Hence, if the software can't use the Wiimote (which Gamecube games cannot) then it can't use anything that's attached to it. They probably could allow it to emulate a Gamecube controller if they wanted to, but they decided to drop support instead.
 
2012-10-07 04:08:20 PM  

SanjiSasuke: Sony can burn if they attack KB. He is responsible for a large portion of their success, due to his hilarious and convincing ads.

/definitely wants a WiiU
/better graphics, ZombiU, Zelda, new SSB, and better versions of multiplat games


Agreed 100% I wish all my friends would buy Black ops 2 on WiiU instead of Xbox. You can play with the pro controller while the WiiU Pad displays a full map for you. Also, for spilt screen, one player uses all the TV while the other plays on the WiiU Pad.
 
2012-10-07 05:09:40 PM  
lordargent.com

// the funny thing is ... I OWN a PS3 now.
 
2012-10-07 05:19:40 PM  

pyrotek85: rocky_howard: FrAnKiE!!!!: Fine, then. I'll explain. He said it's implemented in hardware. He wasn't specifying the "wiimotes". He was saying you can only play gamecube games with gamecube cnotrollers.

Ah alright. I see. Bad choice by the big N.

Those classic controllers also don't even connect to the Wii physically, but through the Wiimote (in place of the nun-chuck attachment). Hence, if the software can't use the Wiimote (which Gamecube games cannot) then it can't use anything that's attached to it. They probably could allow it to emulate a Gamecube controller if they wanted to, but they decided to drop support instead.


The original generations of the Wii had gamecube ports under a flap on top of the console, but since they didn't publicise the compatibility in a big way, nobody knew about it unless they accidentally opened the flap, so they figured nobody wanted it, took it out of the later, cheaper units.
 
2012-10-07 05:24:06 PM  
I understand the concept. But I don't recognize him at all. So someone is doing a shiatty job somewhere of branding him.
 
2012-10-07 05:33:44 PM  

bazzanoid: pyrotek85: rocky_howard: FrAnKiE!!!!: Fine, then. I'll explain. He said it's implemented in hardware. He wasn't specifying the "wiimotes". He was saying you can only play gamecube games with gamecube cnotrollers.

Ah alright. I see. Bad choice by the big N.

Those classic controllers also don't even connect to the Wii physically, but through the Wiimote (in place of the nun-chuck attachment). Hence, if the software can't use the Wiimote (which Gamecube games cannot) then it can't use anything that's attached to it. They probably could allow it to emulate a Gamecube controller if they wanted to, but they decided to drop support instead.

The original generations of the Wii had gamecube ports under a flap on top of the console, but since they didn't publicise the compatibility in a big way, nobody knew about it unless they accidentally opened the flap, so they figured nobody wanted it, took it out of the later, cheaper units.


They did something similar with Gamecube, only the originals had the Digital Out port necessary for 480p, later models omitted the port. Why? Who knows, games were starting to move towards high definition then so you'd think they'd keep it for future games if nothing else. Quite a number of titles supported that resolution too, some even with 16:9 support.
 
2012-10-07 06:03:24 PM  
bazzanoid: The original generations of the Wii had gamecube ports under a flap on top of the console, but since they didn't publicise the compatibility in a big way, nobody knew about it unless they accidentally opened the flap, so they figured nobody wanted it, took it out of the later, cheaper units.

When the Wii U comes out, I'm going to buy an original Wii at firesale prices ... so I can play gamecube games.

// hasn't owned a nintendo console since the SNES.

// My gaming legacy looks like this, IE, where I spent most of my playtime.

Arcade (paperboy era) -> NES -> Arcade (streetfighter, mortal kombat, SNK era) -> SNES -> Computer (Quake/2, tribes era) -> Virtualworld (Battletech!) -> Computer (shogo, planetside, neverwinter era) -> PS2 -> Xbox -> Computer (earth 2025, quake 2 KOTS era) -> Xbox 360

// phases
 
2012-10-07 07:35:11 PM  
A couple of notes:

1) The Bridgestone commercial is a cross-promotion with Nintendo. Nintendo paid for part of that commercial. (As a side note, there is a growing trend of companies selling product placement in their commercials.)

2) Mr. Lambert has a stake in the ad agency behind the Playstation and Bridgestone ads. (I think I read somewhere that he started the company.) This isn't just a former actor appearing in an ad for a competing product. This is also a contractor providing similar services to a competitor.
 
2012-10-07 09:20:01 PM  

ha-ha-guy: I'll just go ahead and assume the guy has a clause in his contract about not doing anything with any other gaming platform. Although if Bridgestone edited out, it does seem like a bit of a dick move by Sony. Plus the Wii is a dying console, no reason to be sensitive about it


(me = ad whore)
Standard contracts with regular SAG actors pays scale rate + 1/2 to ensure that the actors don't appear in competitive ads for a 13 week cycle. Violation of this contract gets the actor in trouble with SAG, the agency won't hire them again and the client will stop running the spot. And that's just for your run-of-the-mill talent.

A spokesperson contract is a lot more hardcore. The contract s very detailed about what the actor cannot appear in during the duration of the contract. But instead of video games, the non-complete clause would likely be expanded to include all electronics. There would also be language in the contract that bars him from appearing in co-op ads with competitors regardless of who's paying the check.
 
2012-10-07 10:01:51 PM  

Fart_Machine: I'm glad someone is playing it. Mine just gathers dust.


My girlfriend begged for one for xmas 2 years ago, bought it for her and she played the hell out of raving rabbits and wii fit for about 6 months. Then she moves into a new apartment, and never bothered hooking it back up. But she does play on her PS2.

And I'm kinda the same way with my PS3. All I do is watch blu-ray movies on it, only have 3 games for it.
 
2012-10-07 11:12:39 PM  

rocky_howard: FrAnKiE!!!!: rocky_howard: lemurs: rocky_howard: How so? The Wii classic controllers have analog sticks and a plethora of buttons to suffice.

The Wii implements backwards-compatibility in hardware, essentially becoming a Gamecube. But since Gamecube games weren't written with support for Wii remotes, they can't use them. So by taking out the controller ports (and making the hardware cheaper to produce), Gamecube games become unplayable.

Who's talking about remotes?

These are the Wii Classic Controllers:


Those are also remotes. As in, "Remote Controllers".

Am I imagining those cables then?

Don't be glib. Those aren't "remote controllers". And people don't refer to them in that way. Just admit you were mistaken.


Remote doesn't mean wireless. You can absolutely have a wired remote. And Nintendo calls their controllers "Wii Remotes".
 
2012-10-07 11:38:35 PM  

safari joe does it again: ha-ha-guy: I'll just go ahead and assume the guy has a clause in his contract about not doing anything with any other gaming platform. Although if Bridgestone edited out, it does seem like a bit of a dick move by Sony. Plus the Wii is a dying console, no reason to be sensitive about it

(me = ad whore)
Standard contracts with regular SAG actors pays scale rate + 1/2 to ensure that the actors don't appear in competitive ads for a 13 week cycle. Violation of this contract gets the actor in trouble with SAG, the agency won't hire them again and the client will stop running the spot. And that's just for your run-of-the-mill talent.

A spokesperson contract is a lot more hardcore. The contract s very detailed about what the actor cannot appear in during the duration of the contract. But instead of video games, the non-complete clause would likely be expanded to include all electronics. There would also be language in the contract that bars him from appearing in co-op ads with competitors regardless of who's paying the check.


And if the lawsuit had anything to do what so ever with his contract your post might be relevant. Hint: they aren't suing him for breech of contract.
 
2012-10-07 11:39:02 PM  

Mitrovarr: IlGreven: I believe it is a standard contract clause that an actor can't be in an advertisement for another product in the same class as one he's already in an advertisement for, for as long as they're contracted for the first product. Meaning if you're in a Pepsi or McDonald's commercial, you can't immediately then do a Coke or Burger King commercial. Or Flo can't do a Geico commercial and Dennis Haysbert can't suddenly start doing Progressive commercials.

I think it is somewhat revealing that Sony is suing over trademark infringement, not breach of contract. If he'd violated his contract, it'd be over that, and it'd be open and shut - that it is not suggests that either his contract expired, or this didn't violate it. So that means Sony is basically trying to say that he (!) or the character he portrayed (more likely) is part of their trademark, and can't be used like this. If it goes to court, I wouldn't give them very good odds - unless they obviously used the character from the Sony ads, reusing the actor doesn't imply you are portraying that character, and juries will be...unsympathetic to the idea that a person can be made a trademark against their will.


See, if it's trademark infringement...then it's a different story. Kevin Butler != Jerry Lambert in a lab coat. It'd be like, if Paul Zaloom played Dr. Forrester, and Sony sued the makers of MST3K over the likeness.
 
2012-10-07 11:41:41 PM  

Mr. Carpenter: safari joe does it again: ha-ha-guy: I'll just go ahead and assume the guy has a clause in his contract about not doing anything with any other gaming platform. Although if Bridgestone edited out, it does seem like a bit of a dick move by Sony. Plus the Wii is a dying console, no reason to be sensitive about it

(me = ad whore)
Standard contracts with regular SAG actors pays scale rate + 1/2 to ensure that the actors don't appear in competitive ads for a 13 week cycle. Violation of this contract gets the actor in trouble with SAG, the agency won't hire them again and the client will stop running the spot. And that's just for your run-of-the-mill talent.

A spokesperson contract is a lot more hardcore. The contract s very detailed about what the actor cannot appear in during the duration of the contract. But instead of video games, the non-complete clause would likely be expanded to include all electronics. There would also be language in the contract that bars him from appearing in co-op ads with competitors regardless of who's paying the check.

And if the lawsuit had anything to do what so ever with his contract your post might be relevant. Hint: they aren't suing him for breech of contract.


Or even breach of contract. They are suing him for violating their trademark, essentially claiming he is never allowed to have have anything to do with video games as his image is their property. Considering the legal precedent for this kind of thing where the suit is taking place. I'd say Sony is shiat out of luck.
 
2012-10-08 12:01:36 AM  

PanicMan: rocky_howard: FrAnKiE!!!!: rocky_howard: lemurs: rocky_howard: How so? The Wii classic controllers have analog sticks and a plethora of buttons to suffice.

The Wii implements backwards-compatibility in hardware, essentially becoming a Gamecube. But since Gamecube games weren't written with support for Wii remotes, they can't use them. So by taking out the controller ports (and making the hardware cheaper to produce), Gamecube games become unplayable.

Who's talking about remotes?

These are the Wii Classic Controllers:


Those are also remotes. As in, "Remote Controllers".

Am I imagining those cables then?

Don't be glib. Those aren't "remote controllers". And people don't refer to them in that way. Just admit you were mistaken.

Remote doesn't mean wireless. You can absolutely have a wired remote. And Nintendo calls their controllers "Wii Remotes".


They just do that with the ones that look like remote controllers. They call these Classic Controllers.

Anyway, the other guy clarified even those don't work anyway, so it's useless :(

Oh well, at least Nintendo maintained the compatibility for as long as they could.
 
2012-10-08 02:14:47 AM  

SanjiSasuke: Sony can burn if they attack KB. He is responsible for a large portion of their success, due to his hilarious and convincing ads.

/definitely wants a WiiU
/better graphics, ZombiU, Zelda, new SSB, and better versions of multiplat games


Ummmm

He is not a major reason for any success play station had. I'm willing to bet he affected MAYBE five percent of sales, and that's being generous.

Also, he's an actor, he didn't write the commercials.

I liked his character, but to say he had a major role in ps3 is insanity
 
2012-10-08 11:53:47 AM  

Mr. Carpenter: safari joe does it again: ha-ha-guy: I'll just go ahead and assume the guy has a clause in his contract about not doing anything with any other gaming platform. Although if Bridgestone edited out, it does seem like a bit of a dick move by Sony. Plus the Wii is a dying console, no reason to be sensitive about it

(me = ad whore) - said some shiat.

And if the lawsuit had anything to do what so ever with his contract your post might be relevant. Hint: they aren't suing him for breech of contract.


Actually I was just responding to a question about the clause in his contract and not commenting on the validity of the case. Seemed relevant to me...
 
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