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2012-10-07 02:18:47 PM  
www.hermes-press.com

Scary for whom?
 
2012-10-07 02:27:46 PM  
METAL GEAR?
 
2012-10-07 02:28:07 PM  

Because People in power are Stupid: Scary for whom?


I'd like to remind you of something:

static.environmentalgraffiti.com

It doesn't matter how much money you spend, there are plenty of cheap ways to wreak major havoc that all the money in the world can't effectively defend agaisnt, and weaponized drones are turning into one of them. What do you think is going to happen the first time a terror group gets hold of a cheap drone and manages to take out the surveillance equipment, stuff it full of explosives and fly it into a daycare or a bus in Israel or something?
 
2012-10-07 02:33:13 PM  
Wow, countries don't like dead pilots anymore that the US and also work on drone tech? This passes for news?
 
2012-10-07 02:33:16 PM  

Vegan Meat Popsicle: Because People in power are Stupid: Scary for whom?

I'd like to remind you of something:

[static.environmentalgraffiti.com image 492x550]

It doesn't matter how much money you spend, there are plenty of cheap ways to wreak major havoc that all the money in the world can't effectively defend agaisnt, and weaponized drones are turning into one of them. What do you think is going to happen the first time a terror group gets hold of a cheap drone and manages to take out the surveillance equipment, stuff it full of explosives and fly it into a daycare or a bus in Israel or something?


Why should a drone filled with explosive scare me more than a plane stuffed with explosive?
 
2012-10-07 02:35:45 PM  
And you can imagine a day in the not too distant future where armed drones are used to settle personal vendettas.

sign me up. damn neighbors and their loud music.
 
2012-10-07 02:37:20 PM  
The downside of drones is that it will make armed attacks easier for governments to go ahead with. Without drones, you have to decide if situation X merits the possible loss of highly trained pilots, and how any pilot deaths will be received at home.

Now, you might lose some stuff. It is too easy for leaders to say "eh, go for it, whatever."
 
2012-10-07 02:39:26 PM  
This is bad news... for Connor
 
2012-10-07 02:39:48 PM  

spongeboob: Why should a drone filled with explosive scare me more than a plane stuffed with explosive?


Easier to swing, harder to detect You don't even have to find and train people for a suicide mission. You don't have people taking flight lessons but not worrying about takeoff or landing.
 
2012-10-07 02:41:03 PM  

Vegan Meat Popsicle: Because People in power are Stupid: Scary for whom?

I'd like to remind you of something:

[static.environmentalgraffiti.com image 492x550]

It doesn't matter how much money you spend, there are plenty of cheap ways to wreak major havoc that all the money in the world can't effectively defend agaisnt, and weaponized drones are turning into one of them. What do you think is going to happen the first time a terror group gets hold of a cheap drone and manages to take out the surveillance equipment, stuff it full of explosives and fly it into a daycare or a bus in Israel or something?


Why do you need explosives in a plane? The ones in your pic didn't have any?
And to take out a school bus why do you even need a plane at all? Half an hour in any gun store in the country and you're set for taking out a bunch of kindergarteners no problem.
 
2012-10-07 02:43:26 PM  
Counterpoint:

i1127.photobucket.com

i1127.photobucket.com
 
2012-10-07 02:44:40 PM  

Vegan Meat Popsicle: It doesn't matter how much money you spend, there are plenty of cheap ways to wreak major havoc that all the money in the world can't effectively defend agaisnt,


So you agree the US would be just as safe if we cut defense spending by 50%. If "it doesn't matter how much you spend..." just sayin'.
 
2012-10-07 02:50:43 PM  
The wars of the future will not be fought on the battlefield or at sea. They will be fought in space, or possibly on top of a very tall mountain. In either case, most of the actual fighting will be done by small robots. And as you go forth today remember always your duty is clear: To build and maintain those robots.
-Confucius

/oblig
 
2012-10-07 02:51:54 PM  

Vegan Meat Popsicle: Because People in power are Stupid: Scary for whom?

I'd like to remind you of something:

[static.environmentalgraffiti.com image 492x550]

It doesn't matter how much money you spend, there are plenty of cheap ways to wreak major havoc that all the money in the world can't effectively defend agaisnt, and weaponized drones are turning into one of them. What do you think is going to happen the first time a terror group gets hold of a cheap drone and manages to take out the surveillance equipment, stuff it full of explosives and fly it into a daycare or a bus in Israel or something?


I'd like to remind YOU of something.

img.photobucket.com

Most of the hijackers were known to law enforcement in advance and our authorities did nothing. Assuming that people in power actually do their jobs -then we shouldn't worry about terror groups getting their hands on a drone.

And until recently I could have bought a drone: http://www.draganfly.com/uav-airplane/tango/. For months anybody could have bought one without "taking out the guts" and turning it into some flying bomb.

Seriously, I was thinking about buying one of these and automating daily traffic reports... but thanks to the FBI or some other regulatory agency now I have to build one myself.

I guess the point is that the technology is already here, it has been here and it will continue. Hysteria aside -deal with it.
 
2012-10-07 03:03:29 PM  
Drone warfare carries an inherent problem of available bandwidth.

How many other countries can claim the necessary bandwidth to support that type of activity?

Link
 
2012-10-07 03:23:18 PM  

Because People in power are Stupid: Scary for whom?


Enemies of superpowers have learned throughout history that the best way to defeat a superior military is not through force of arms, but to bankrupt it through provocation. This worked with the Romans, it worked with the Spanish, it worked with the British, it worked with the Soviets and its working with the Americans.

No state ever benefits from a protracted war. An army on the march costs 20 times more than an army garrisoned or an army at home. The longer the war, the less worthwhile the spoils. You can make your nation wealthy, or you fight a war for a long time -- you cannot do both.
 
2012-10-07 03:26:23 PM  

BSABSVR: The downside of drones is that it will make armed attacks easier for governments to go ahead with. Without drones, you have to decide if situation X merits the possible loss of highly trained pilots, and how any pilot deaths will be received at home.


The upside to war in the past was that it often resulted in mass loss of life. This was technically good for economies because they didn't have to worry about payroll or pensions. But if war graduates to the point where loss of life is minimal or non-existent, then the army becomes prohibitively expensive to maintain.

War, to put it ironically, has become a luxury only poor countries can afford.
 
2012-10-07 03:39:56 PM  
I thought Skynet was one of those crappy religious channels that I get through my cable company.
 
2012-10-07 03:40:53 PM  

Ishkur: BSABSVR: The downside of drones is that it will make armed attacks easier for governments to go ahead with. Without drones, you have to decide if situation X merits the possible loss of highly trained pilots, and how any pilot deaths will be received at home.

The upside to war in the past was that it often resulted in mass loss of life. This was technically good for economies because they didn't have to worry about payroll or pensions. But if war graduates to the point where loss of life is minimal or non-existent, then the army becomes prohibitively expensive to maintain.

War, to put it ironically, has become a luxury only poor countries can afford.


So sadly, this. ^
 
2012-10-07 03:51:37 PM  

Curious: And you can imagine a day in the not too distant future where armed drones are used to settle personal vendettas.

sign me up. damn neighbors and their loud music.


Is that you, Rufus?
 
2012-10-07 03:54:12 PM  

spongeboob: Why should a drone filled with explosive scare me more than a plane stuffed with explosive?


Because it's cyberexplosive.
 
2012-10-07 04:09:42 PM  

thamike: spongeboob: Why should a drone filled with explosive scare me more than a plane stuffed with explosive?

Because it's cyberexplosive.


Cyberexplosive? Wasn't that a porn movie?
 
2012-10-07 04:21:59 PM  
Drones keep people Free.


(well, it sounded good at first)
 
2012-10-07 04:23:56 PM  
if you live near any strategically important places, keep your eyes to the sky, baby.


if you live out in the middle of nowhere, you'll sleep well. (unless a meteor hits you)
 
2012-10-07 04:26:33 PM  
Remember, Freedom requires bombs and drones.
 
2012-10-07 04:42:19 PM  

ratagorda: Drone warfare carries an inherent problem of available bandwidth.

How many other countries can claim the necessary bandwidth to support that type of activity?

Link


There is no requirement to use satellite communications to control your drone. There is plenty of terrestrial RF technology that could be adapted for that purpose. Drones are nothing more than high tech expensive RC planes. Of course the closer your RC ""pilots" are to the battlefield the easier they are to find and destroy.
 
2012-10-07 04:47:12 PM  

Vegan Meat Popsicle: I'd like to remind you of something:


9/11!! Drink!
 
2012-10-07 04:47:17 PM  

Ishkur: This worked with the Romans


You discredit yourself.
 
2012-10-07 04:53:41 PM  
Buy more ammo. Your second amendment remedies will solve this drone business.
 
2012-10-07 05:01:06 PM  

Ishkur: Because People in power are Stupid: Scary for whom?

Enemies of superpowers have learned throughout history that the best way to defeat a superior military is not through force of arms, but to bankrupt it through provocation. This worked with the Romans, it worked with the Spanish, it worked with the British, it worked with the Soviets and its working with the Americans.

No state ever benefits from a protracted war. An army on the march costs 20 times more than an army garrisoned or an army at home. The longer the war, the less worthwhile the spoils. You can make your nation wealthy, or you fight a war for a long time -- you cannot do both.


I always thought it was tidal wave after tidal wave of migrations from central Asia that did the Romans in. Goths, Franks, Lombards, Vandals, Huns, Turks to name a few.

Not to mention the Gauls who could have ended Rome in the cradle in 390 BCE, or the German tribes who could have just before 100 BCE, but decided to go to Belgium instead.

Mithridates provoked the Romans. He was a thorn for 35 years but they chased him and cornered him in the end. Hannibal, Tacfarinas, Boudica, Zenobia, Jugurtha. The Romans ground them all down and destroyed them.

Tidal waves of hundreds of thousands of barbarians on horseback, riding full-tilt at the legions, with nothing to lose and everything to gain.
 
2012-10-07 05:09:17 PM  
Is it mere coincidence that combat drones became more common shortly after Gregory Hines died? I think not!

/Too obscure?
 
2012-10-07 05:18:30 PM  
imageshack.us
 
2012-10-07 05:23:28 PM  

Snapper Carr: Counterpoint:

[i1127.photobucket.com image 450x599]


Point well taken.
 
2012-10-07 05:24:43 PM  

Because People in power are Stupid: You discredit yourself.


No, not really. It's a little more complicated than that. I don't really consider anything post-Crisis of the Third Century to be truly Roman anyway, but that's a huge argument for another time.
 
2012-10-07 05:29:12 PM  
Two points;

1.) Isn't sad to think we could cut our defense by half and still outspend all Europe

2.) If we have to spend this money, why can't we invest this in sexbots?

I want sexbots, not pilotless drones damn it
 
2012-10-07 05:35:12 PM  

Snapper Carr: Counterpoint:

[i1127.photobucket.com image 450x599]

[i1127.photobucket.com image 450x356]


*FAPFAPFAPFAPFAP*
 
2012-10-07 05:38:29 PM  

Because People in power are Stupid: [www.hermes-press.com image 670x501]

Scary for whom?


Scary for dumb, useful idiot, sleeping giant that goes halfway around the world to fight corporate resource wars but doesn't bother to control its borders.

Remember when the Bush administration was worried about terrorists acquiring crop dusting planes in the US?

Scary. Really scary.
 
2012-10-07 05:48:01 PM  

Linux_Yes: if you live near any strategically important places, keep your eyes to the sky, baby.


if you live out in the middle of nowhere, you'll sleep well. (unless a meteor hits you)


I worry about the flyboys from fort smith national guard base. They love flying through the mountain valleys at high speed. A-10's are freaking ugly but in a beautiful way.
 
2012-10-07 05:53:18 PM  
If only some visionary creative people had made compelling science fiction stories warning of the dangers decades before these things became actually possible, we would have known to avoid this.
 
2012-10-07 06:08:51 PM  
Does he even mention domestic drone use in there? Apparently the drone lobby is pushing to open the skies up. They're imagining a variety of monitoring applications, but once the quadrocopter pizza delivery becomes real, the options for what those things can carry will be wide open. Time to invest in drone killing tech.
 
2012-10-07 06:17:16 PM  

ssa5: Two points;

1.) Isn't sad to think we could cut our defense by half and still outspend all Europe

2.) If we have to spend this money, why can't we invest this in sexbots?

I want sexbots, not pilotless drones damn it


I dare you to watch this and not be touched: Kara tech demo (pops to youtube)
 
2012-10-07 06:40:14 PM  
we have become a fearful bunch
 
2012-10-07 06:51:34 PM  

Vegan Meat Popsicle: Because People in power are Stupid: Scary for whom?

I'd like to remind you of something:

[static.environmentalgraffiti.com image 492x550]

It doesn't matter how much money you spend, there are plenty of cheap ways to wreak major havoc that all the money in the world can't effectively defend agaisnt, and weaponized drones are turning into one of them. What do you think is going to happen the first time a terror group gets hold of a cheap drone and manages to take out the surveillance equipment, stuff it full of explosives and fly it into a daycare or a bus in Israel or something?


heli.brixtonjunkies.com

www.goradiocontrolled.com

Some of those and some toe nail clippers and a bottled water. 

/fear
 
2012-10-07 07:44:57 PM  

Vegan Meat Popsicle: It doesn't matter how much money you spend, there are plenty of cheap ways to wreak major havoc that all the money in the world can't effectively defend agaisnt, and weaponized drones are turning into one of them.


Actually, it does matter how much you spend.

The job drones do was common before, when we called them counter insurgency aircraft. The problem was coin planes are poorly armed, short ranged, and finding politically anonymous pilots was near impossible. Losing one becomes a disaster for any operation. By removing the human factor they have removed the need for accountability.
...But early drones were not much more than remote controlled toys. So by making them more capable we increase the types of mission they can handle and how deep they can strike. Now they can surpass their manned coin counterparts, for a price.

Obama has shown the world that you can go to war without political backlash.
Now all world leaders will want to do it how he's done it, but if they buy cheap drones then they won't be able to accomplish the kinds of strikes he can.
His being able to provide little miracles, like Killing Osama or any number of Al Queda #2's, is directly proportional to the quality of men and equipment we keep.

That Quality doesn't come cheap.
 
2012-10-07 07:58:04 PM  

pmdgrwr: we have become a

fearful bunch superstitious cowardly lot
30.media.tumblr.com
 
2012-10-07 08:00:14 PM  
I kinda like what the EPA's doing with them. Also the future of amateur aerial night vision porn.
 
2012-10-07 08:31:48 PM  

way south: Vegan Meat Popsicle: It doesn't matter how much money you spend, there are plenty of cheap ways to wreak major havoc that all the money in the world can't effectively defend agaisnt, and weaponized drones are turning into one of them.

Actually, it does matter how much you spend.

The job drones do was common before, when we called them counter insurgency aircraft. The problem was coin planes are poorly armed, short ranged, and finding politically anonymous pilots was near impossible. Losing one becomes a disaster for any operation. By removing the human factor they have removed the need for accountability.
...But early drones were not much more than remote controlled toys. So by making them more capable we increase the types of mission they can handle and how deep they can strike. Now they can surpass their manned coin counterparts, for a price.

Obama has shown the world that you can go to war without political backlash.
Now all world leaders will want to do it how he's done it, but if they buy cheap drones then they won't be able to accomplish the kinds of strikes he can.
His being able to provide little miracles, like Killing Osama or any number of Al Queda #2's, is directly proportional to the quality of men and equipment we keep.

That Quality doesn't come cheap.


Accuracy by Volume TM.
 
2012-10-07 11:48:05 PM  

spongeboob: Vegan Meat Popsicle: Because People in power are Stupid: Scary for whom?

I'd like to remind you of something:

[static.environmentalgraffiti.com image 492x550]

It doesn't matter how much money you spend, there are plenty of cheap ways to wreak major havoc that all the money in the world can't effectively defend agaisnt, and weaponized drones are turning into one of them. What do you think is going to happen the first time a terror group gets hold of a cheap drone and manages to take out the surveillance equipment, stuff it full of explosives and fly it into a daycare or a bus in Israel or something?

Why should a drone filled with explosive scare me more than a plane stuffed with explosive?


Because it doesn't require several people willing to die for a cause?
 
2012-10-08 12:12:30 AM  
"The dangerous new world of Skynet"

Drones are not sentient.
 
2012-10-08 12:47:02 AM  
"In three years, Cyberdyne will become the largest supplier of military computer systems. All stealth bombers are upgraded with Cyberdyne computers, becoming fully unmanned. Afterwards, they fly with a perfect operational record. The Skynet Funding Bill is passed. The system goes online on August 4th, 1997. Human decisions are removed from strategic defense. Skynet begins to learn at a geometric rate. It becomes self-aware 2:14 AM, Eastern time, August 29th. In a panic, they try to pull the plug."
 
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